Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment

[Eric Kuhnke]

This is used extensively by tower service companies working for the big-4
cellular carriers, or subcontractors thereof...  It's not cheap:

http://www.midwestunlimited.com/products/3Z-RF-Aligner-%252d-GPS-Antenna-Alignment-Tool.html


As best I understand it doesn't use a magnetic compass, which is pretty
useless on a steel tower, but several high accuracy GPS units, one on the
end of an arm that sticks off the front, and one on the rear.

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Jay Weekley <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
wrote:

> I wish sectors came with some kind of center line.  Preferably slightly
> raised.
>
> Edward Brooks wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone!  This was enlightening.  I have been using the "Cellular
>> Industry" mindset due to tower construction and I have been trying to stay
>> very accurate as far as azimuths to keep our coverage maps as accurate as
>> possible and to keep from self-interfering with our other towers.
>>
>> -Ed
>>
>> On 3/15/2016 3:57 PM, Jeremy wrote:
>>
>>> We also eyeball it using Google Earth and landmarks.  I can never get a
>>> compass to work reliably enough in the vicinity of the tower.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com
>>> <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> What, you don't just assume the tower is level and use the
>>> notched degree hash marks on the antenna vertical adjustment bolt? :P
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Eric Kuhnke
>>> <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> for sector antenna elevation, one of these...
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/iGaging-AngleCube-Digital-Level-Bevel/dp/B002LL0BIC
>>>
>>> If you've planned out coverage with an unusual uptilt or
>>> downtilt due to terrain (or built in electrical downtilt) and
>>> are giving the sector to a 3rd party installer to hang.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Chuck McCown
>>> <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I  was working on an electronic version of my accu-aim
>>> scope a few years ago.  I discovered that no matter how
>>> far I extended the flux gate sensor, any tower of decent
>>> size threw it off. Best to use a hand held GPS at the
>>> base of  the the tower and start walking.   After a few
>>> tries you will find the correct heading.  Note some kind
>>> of landmark and aim for that.
>>>     Elevation be derived dead on with a cheap digital level.
>>>  If you have the elevation nailed and the heading/bearing
>>> close, you should be able to find it with a bit of sweeping.
>>> *From:* Edward Brooks <mailto:broo...@mt.net>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2016 2:46 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment
>>> Anyone!!?? I watch posts about the strangest things go on
>>> in here and not even one reply to a valid question?!
>>>
>>> On 3/10/2016 11:36 AM, Edward Brooks wrote:
>>>
>>>> Over the last year our "low-cost" digital compass has
>>>> degraded to the point of being unreliable and now
>>>> useless.  We have been looking at a few of the obviously
>>>> expensive options, Sunsight AAT-30, 3Z Antena Aligner,
>>>> Multiwave SmartAlign to rent.  That being said we are
>>>> also looking for a less expensive, but more accurate
>>>> than standing in a field looking back at the antenna,
>>>> option to purchase.  What are some of you using to
>>>> accurately align your AP sectors and do initial BH
>>>> deployment?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> -Ed
>>>> -- Edward Brooks
>>>> /Network Operations Project Manager
>>>> Montana Internet Corporation/
>>>> 406-443-3347 
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment

[Ty Featherling]

Yeah or a peep sight of some kind. Two rings you can line up and look
through. The airfibers have that hoist loop on top. Add another smaller one
on the front top of the dish and there you go.

-Ty
On Mar 15, 2016 6:07 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

> I wish sectors came with some kind of center line.  Preferably slightly
> raised.
>
> Edward Brooks wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone!  This was enlightening.  I have been using the "Cellular
>> Industry" mindset due to tower construction and I have been trying to stay
>> very accurate as far as azimuths to keep our coverage maps as accurate as
>> possible and to keep from self-interfering with our other towers.
>>
>> -Ed
>>
>> On 3/15/2016 3:57 PM, Jeremy wrote:
>>
>>> We also eyeball it using Google Earth and landmarks.  I can never get a
>>> compass to work reliably enough in the vicinity of the tower.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com
>>> <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> What, you don't just assume the tower is level and use the
>>> notched degree hash marks on the antenna vertical adjustment bolt? :P
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Eric Kuhnke
>>> <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> for sector antenna elevation, one of these...
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/iGaging-AngleCube-Digital-Level-Bevel/dp/B002LL0BIC
>>>
>>> If you've planned out coverage with an unusual uptilt or
>>> downtilt due to terrain (or built in electrical downtilt) and
>>> are giving the sector to a 3rd party installer to hang.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Chuck McCown
>>> <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I  was working on an electronic version of my accu-aim
>>> scope a few years ago.  I discovered that no matter how
>>> far I extended the flux gate sensor, any tower of decent
>>> size threw it off. Best to use a hand held GPS at the
>>> base of  the the tower and start walking.   After a few
>>> tries you will find the correct heading.  Note some kind
>>> of landmark and aim for that.
>>>     Elevation be derived dead on with a cheap digital level.
>>>  If you have the elevation nailed and the heading/bearing
>>> close, you should be able to find it with a bit of sweeping.
>>> *From:* Edward Brooks <mailto:broo...@mt.net>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2016 2:46 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment
>>> Anyone!!?? I watch posts about the strangest things go on
>>> in here and not even one reply to a valid question?!
>>>
>>> On 3/10/2016 11:36 AM, Edward Brooks wrote:
>>>
>>>> Over the last year our "low-cost" digital compass has
>>>> degraded to the point of being unreliable and now
>>>> useless.  We have been looking at a few of the obviously
>>>> expensive options, Sunsight AAT-30, 3Z Antena Aligner,
>>>> Multiwave SmartAlign to rent.  That being said we are
>>>> also looking for a less expensive, but more accurate
>>>> than standing in a field looking back at the antenna,
>>>> option to purchase.  What are some of you using to
>>>> accurately align your AP sectors and do initial BH
>>>> deployment?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> -Ed
>>>> -- Edward Brooks
>>>> /Network Operations Project Manager
>>>> Montana Internet Corporation/
>>>> 406-443-3347 
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment

[Jay Weekley]

I wish sectors came with some kind of center line.  Preferably slightly 
raised.


Edward Brooks wrote:
Thanks everyone!  This was enlightening.  I have been using the 
"Cellular Industry" mindset due to tower construction and I have been 
trying to stay very accurate as far as azimuths to keep our coverage 
maps as accurate as possible and to keep from self-interfering with 
our other towers.


-Ed

On 3/15/2016 3:57 PM, Jeremy wrote:
We also eyeball it using Google Earth and landmarks.  I can never get 
a compass to work reliably enough in the vicinity of the tower.


On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:


What, you don't just assume the tower is level and use the
notched degree hash marks on the antenna vertical adjustment bolt? :P

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Eric Kuhnke
<eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:

for sector antenna elevation, one of these...


http://www.amazon.com/iGaging-AngleCube-Digital-Level-Bevel/dp/B002LL0BIC

If you've planned out coverage with an unusual uptilt or
downtilt due to terrain (or built in electrical downtilt) and
are giving the sector to a 3rd party installer to hang.

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Chuck McCown
<ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I  was working on an electronic version of my accu-aim
scope a few years ago.  I discovered that no matter how
far I extended the flux gate sensor, any tower of decent
size threw it off. Best to use a hand held GPS at the
base of  the the tower and start walking.   After a few
tries you will find the correct heading.  Note some kind
of landmark and aim for that.
Elevation be derived dead on with a cheap digital level. 
If you have the elevation nailed and the heading/bearing

close, you should be able to find it with a bit of sweeping.
*From:* Edward Brooks <mailto:broo...@mt.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2016 2:46 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment
Anyone!!?? I watch posts about the strangest things go on
in here and not even one reply to a valid question?!

On 3/10/2016 11:36 AM, Edward Brooks wrote:

Over the last year our "low-cost" digital compass has
degraded to the point of being unreliable and now
useless.  We have been looking at a few of the obviously
expensive options, Sunsight AAT-30, 3Z Antena Aligner,
Multiwave SmartAlign to rent.  That being said we are
also looking for a less expensive, but more accurate
than standing in a field looking back at the antenna,
option to purchase.  What are some of you using to
accurately align your AP sectors and do initial BH
deployment?

Thanks,
-Ed
-- 
Edward Brooks

/Network Operations Project Manager
Montana Internet Corporation/
406-443-3347 







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Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment

[Edward Brooks]

Thanks everyone!  This was enlightening.  I have been using the 
"Cellular Industry" mindset due to tower construction and I have been 
trying to stay very accurate as far as azimuths to keep our coverage 
maps as accurate as possible and to keep from self-interfering with our 
other towers.


-Ed

On 3/15/2016 3:57 PM, Jeremy wrote:
We also eyeball it using Google Earth and landmarks.  I can never get 
a compass to work reliably enough in the vicinity of the tower.


On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:


What, you don't just assume the tower is level and use the notched
degree hash marks on the antenna vertical adjustment bolt? :P

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Eric Kuhnke
<eric.kuh...@gmail.com <mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote:

for sector antenna elevation, one of these...


http://www.amazon.com/iGaging-AngleCube-Digital-Level-Bevel/dp/B002LL0BIC

If you've planned out coverage with an unusual uptilt or
downtilt due to terrain (or built in electrical downtilt) and
are giving the sector to a 3rd party installer to hang.

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I  was working on an electronic version of my accu-aim
scope a few years ago. I discovered that no matter how far
I extended the flux gate sensor, any tower of decent size
threw it off.  Best to use a hand held GPS at the base of
the the tower and start walking.   After a few tries you
will find the correct heading. Note some kind of landmark
and aim for that.
Elevation be derived dead on with a cheap digital level. 
If you have the elevation nailed and the heading/bearing

close, you should be able to find it with a bit of sweeping.
*From:* Edward Brooks <mailto:broo...@mt.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2016 2:46 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment
Anyone!!?? I watch posts about the strangest things go on
in here and not even one reply to a valid question?!

On 3/10/2016 11:36 AM, Edward Brooks wrote:

Over the last year our "low-cost" digital compass has
degraded to the point of being unreliable and now
useless. We have been looking at a few of the obviously
expensive options, Sunsight AAT-30, 3Z Antena Aligner,
Multiwave SmartAlign to rent.  That being said we are
also looking for a less expensive, but more accurate than
standing in a field looking back at the antenna, option
to purchase.  What are some of you using to accurately
align your AP sectors and do initial BH deployment?

Thanks,
-Ed
-- 
Edward Brooks

/Network Operations Project Manager
Montana Internet Corporation/
406-443-3347 






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Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment

[Ty Featherling]

I'll have to try that. We adopted TowerCoverage.com recently.

-Ty



-Ty

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> Towercoverage.com actually has a cool "vr" / camera android app for
> alignment that works pretty well.
> On Mar 15, 2016 5:00 PM, "Ty Featherling" <tyfeatherl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ditto. Same for sectors or dishes. Most of the time on Backhauls I can
>> see the other side enough to recognize it through binoculars. If not I use
>> the Google Earth method there too. When done I use my phone to take a photo
>> with the phone pressed against the top rear of the sector so that they are
>> aligned. From the photo you can see where the center is pointing. Some
>> dishes will do the same if there is enough lip to do it.
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We also eyeball it using Google Earth and landmarks.  I can never get a
>>> compass to work reliably enough in the vicinity of the tower.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What, you don't just assume the tower is level and use the notched
>>>> degree hash marks on the antenna vertical adjustment bolt? :P
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> for sector antenna elevation, one of these...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/iGaging-AngleCube-Digital-Level-Bevel/dp/B002LL0BIC
>>>>>
>>>>> If you've planned out coverage with an unusual uptilt or downtilt due
>>>>> to terrain (or built in electrical downtilt) and are giving the sector to 
>>>>> a
>>>>> 3rd party installer to hang.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I  was working on an electronic version of my accu-aim scope a few
>>>>>> years ago.  I discovered that no matter how far I extended the flux gate
>>>>>> sensor, any tower of decent size threw it off.  Best to use a hand held 
>>>>>> GPS
>>>>>> at the base of  the the tower and start walking.   After a few tries you
>>>>>> will find the correct heading.  Note some kind of landmark and aim for
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Elevation be derived dead on with a cheap digital level.  If you have
>>>>>> the elevation nailed and the heading/bearing close, you should be able to
>>>>>> find it with a bit of sweeping.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Edward Brooks <broo...@mt.net>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2016 2:46 PM
>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone!!??  I watch posts about the strangest things go on in here
>>>>>> and not even one reply to a valid question?!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/10/2016 11:36 AM, Edward Brooks wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Over the last year our "low-cost" digital compass has degraded to the
>>>>>> point of being unreliable and now useless.  We have been looking at a few
>>>>>> of the obviously expensive options, Sunsight AAT-30, 3Z Antena Aligner,
>>>>>> Multiwave SmartAlign to rent.  That being said we are also looking for a
>>>>>> less expensive, but more accurate than standing in a field looking back 
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> the antenna, option to purchase.  What are some of you using to 
>>>>>> accurately
>>>>>> align your AP sectors and do initial BH deployment?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> -Ed
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Edward Brooks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Network Operations Project ManagerMontana Internet Corporation*
>>>>>> 406-443-3347
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment

[Josh Reynolds]

Towercoverage.com actually has a cool "vr" / camera android app for
alignment that works pretty well.
On Mar 15, 2016 5:00 PM, "Ty Featherling" <tyfeatherl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ditto. Same for sectors or dishes. Most of the time on Backhauls I can see
> the other side enough to recognize it through binoculars. If not I use the
> Google Earth method there too. When done I use my phone to take a photo
> with the phone pressed against the top rear of the sector so that they are
> aligned. From the photo you can see where the center is pointing. Some
> dishes will do the same if there is enough lip to do it.
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> We also eyeball it using Google Earth and landmarks.  I can never get a
>> compass to work reliably enough in the vicinity of the tower.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What, you don't just assume the tower is level and use the notched
>>> degree hash marks on the antenna vertical adjustment bolt? :P
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> for sector antenna elevation, one of these...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.amazon.com/iGaging-AngleCube-Digital-Level-Bevel/dp/B002LL0BIC
>>>>
>>>> If you've planned out coverage with an unusual uptilt or downtilt due
>>>> to terrain (or built in electrical downtilt) and are giving the sector to a
>>>> 3rd party installer to hang.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I  was working on an electronic version of my accu-aim scope a few
>>>>> years ago.  I discovered that no matter how far I extended the flux gate
>>>>> sensor, any tower of decent size threw it off.  Best to use a hand held 
>>>>> GPS
>>>>> at the base of  the the tower and start walking.   After a few tries you
>>>>> will find the correct heading.  Note some kind of landmark and aim for
>>>>> that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Elevation be derived dead on with a cheap digital level.  If you have
>>>>> the elevation nailed and the heading/bearing close, you should be able to
>>>>> find it with a bit of sweeping.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Edward Brooks <broo...@mt.net>
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2016 2:46 PM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone!!??  I watch posts about the strangest things go on in here and
>>>>> not even one reply to a valid question?!
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/10/2016 11:36 AM, Edward Brooks wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Over the last year our "low-cost" digital compass has degraded to the
>>>>> point of being unreliable and now useless.  We have been looking at a few
>>>>> of the obviously expensive options, Sunsight AAT-30, 3Z Antena Aligner,
>>>>> Multiwave SmartAlign to rent.  That being said we are also looking for a
>>>>> less expensive, but more accurate than standing in a field looking back at
>>>>> the antenna, option to purchase.  What are some of you using to accurately
>>>>> align your AP sectors and do initial BH deployment?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> -Ed
>>>>> --
>>>>> Edward Brooks
>>>>>
>>>>> *Network Operations Project ManagerMontana Internet Corporation*
>>>>> 406-443-3347
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment

[Ty Featherling]

Ditto. Same for sectors or dishes. Most of the time on Backhauls I can see
the other side enough to recognize it through binoculars. If not I use the
Google Earth method there too. When done I use my phone to take a photo
with the phone pressed against the top rear of the sector so that they are
aligned. From the photo you can see where the center is pointing. Some
dishes will do the same if there is enough lip to do it.

-Ty



-Ty

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We also eyeball it using Google Earth and landmarks.  I can never get a
> compass to work reliably enough in the vicinity of the tower.
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> What, you don't just assume the tower is level and use the notched degree
>> hash marks on the antenna vertical adjustment bolt? :P
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> for sector antenna elevation, one of these...
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/iGaging-AngleCube-Digital-Level-Bevel/dp/B002LL0BIC
>>>
>>> If you've planned out coverage with an unusual uptilt or downtilt due to
>>> terrain (or built in electrical downtilt) and are giving the sector to a
>>> 3rd party installer to hang.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I  was working on an electronic version of my accu-aim scope a few
>>>> years ago.  I discovered that no matter how far I extended the flux gate
>>>> sensor, any tower of decent size threw it off.  Best to use a hand held GPS
>>>> at the base of  the the tower and start walking.   After a few tries you
>>>> will find the correct heading.  Note some kind of landmark and aim for
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> Elevation be derived dead on with a cheap digital level.  If you have
>>>> the elevation nailed and the heading/bearing close, you should be able to
>>>> find it with a bit of sweeping.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Edward Brooks <broo...@mt.net>
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2016 2:46 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment
>>>>
>>>> Anyone!!??  I watch posts about the strangest things go on in here and
>>>> not even one reply to a valid question?!
>>>>
>>>> On 3/10/2016 11:36 AM, Edward Brooks wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Over the last year our "low-cost" digital compass has degraded to the
>>>> point of being unreliable and now useless.  We have been looking at a few
>>>> of the obviously expensive options, Sunsight AAT-30, 3Z Antena Aligner,
>>>> Multiwave SmartAlign to rent.  That being said we are also looking for a
>>>> less expensive, but more accurate than standing in a field looking back at
>>>> the antenna, option to purchase.  What are some of you using to accurately
>>>> align your AP sectors and do initial BH deployment?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> -Ed
>>>> --
>>>> Edward Brooks
>>>>
>>>> *Network Operations Project ManagerMontana Internet Corporation*
>>>> 406-443-3347
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment

[Jeremy]

We also eyeball it using Google Earth and landmarks.  I can never get a
compass to work reliably enough in the vicinity of the tower.

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> What, you don't just assume the tower is level and use the notched degree
> hash marks on the antenna vertical adjustment bolt? :P
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> for sector antenna elevation, one of these...
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/iGaging-AngleCube-Digital-Level-Bevel/dp/B002LL0BIC
>>
>> If you've planned out coverage with an unusual uptilt or downtilt due to
>> terrain (or built in electrical downtilt) and are giving the sector to a
>> 3rd party installer to hang.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I  was working on an electronic version of my accu-aim scope a few years
>>> ago.  I discovered that no matter how far I extended the flux gate sensor,
>>> any tower of decent size threw it off.  Best to use a hand held GPS at the
>>> base of  the the tower and start walking.   After a few tries you will find
>>> the correct heading.  Note some kind of landmark and aim for that.
>>>
>>> Elevation be derived dead on with a cheap digital level.  If you have
>>> the elevation nailed and the heading/bearing close, you should be able to
>>> find it with a bit of sweeping.
>>>
>>> *From:* Edward Brooks <broo...@mt.net>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2016 2:46 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment
>>>
>>> Anyone!!??  I watch posts about the strangest things go on in here and
>>> not even one reply to a valid question?!
>>>
>>> On 3/10/2016 11:36 AM, Edward Brooks wrote:
>>>
>>> Over the last year our "low-cost" digital compass has degraded to the
>>> point of being unreliable and now useless.  We have been looking at a few
>>> of the obviously expensive options, Sunsight AAT-30, 3Z Antena Aligner,
>>> Multiwave SmartAlign to rent.  That being said we are also looking for a
>>> less expensive, but more accurate than standing in a field looking back at
>>> the antenna, option to purchase.  What are some of you using to accurately
>>> align your AP sectors and do initial BH deployment?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Ed
>>> --
>>> Edward Brooks
>>>
>>> *Network Operations Project ManagerMontana Internet Corporation*
>>> 406-443-3347
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment

[Mathew Howard]

No, I assume the tower is not level and do that anyway :P

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> What, you don't just assume the tower is level and use the notched degree
> hash marks on the antenna vertical adjustment bolt? :P
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> for sector antenna elevation, one of these...
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/iGaging-AngleCube-Digital-Level-Bevel/dp/B002LL0BIC
>>
>> If you've planned out coverage with an unusual uptilt or downtilt due to
>> terrain (or built in electrical downtilt) and are giving the sector to a
>> 3rd party installer to hang.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I  was working on an electronic version of my accu-aim scope a few years
>>> ago.  I discovered that no matter how far I extended the flux gate sensor,
>>> any tower of decent size threw it off.  Best to use a hand held GPS at the
>>> base of  the the tower and start walking.   After a few tries you will find
>>> the correct heading.  Note some kind of landmark and aim for that.
>>>
>>> Elevation be derived dead on with a cheap digital level.  If you have
>>> the elevation nailed and the heading/bearing close, you should be able to
>>> find it with a bit of sweeping.
>>>
>>> *From:* Edward Brooks <broo...@mt.net>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2016 2:46 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment
>>>
>>> Anyone!!??  I watch posts about the strangest things go on in here and
>>> not even one reply to a valid question?!
>>>
>>> On 3/10/2016 11:36 AM, Edward Brooks wrote:
>>>
>>> Over the last year our "low-cost" digital compass has degraded to the
>>> point of being unreliable and now useless.  We have been looking at a few
>>> of the obviously expensive options, Sunsight AAT-30, 3Z Antena Aligner,
>>> Multiwave SmartAlign to rent.  That being said we are also looking for a
>>> less expensive, but more accurate than standing in a field looking back at
>>> the antenna, option to purchase.  What are some of you using to accurately
>>> align your AP sectors and do initial BH deployment?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Ed
>>> --
>>> Edward Brooks
>>>
>>> *Network Operations Project ManagerMontana Internet Corporation*
>>> 406-443-3347
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment

[Josh Reynolds]

What, you don't just assume the tower is level and use the notched degree
hash marks on the antenna vertical adjustment bolt? :P

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> for sector antenna elevation, one of these...
>
> http://www.amazon.com/iGaging-AngleCube-Digital-Level-Bevel/dp/B002LL0BIC
>
> If you've planned out coverage with an unusual uptilt or downtilt due to
> terrain (or built in electrical downtilt) and are giving the sector to a
> 3rd party installer to hang.
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> I  was working on an electronic version of my accu-aim scope a few years
>> ago.  I discovered that no matter how far I extended the flux gate sensor,
>> any tower of decent size threw it off.  Best to use a hand held GPS at the
>> base of  the the tower and start walking.   After a few tries you will find
>> the correct heading.  Note some kind of landmark and aim for that.
>>
>> Elevation be derived dead on with a cheap digital level.  If you have the
>> elevation nailed and the heading/bearing close, you should be able to find
>> it with a bit of sweeping.
>>
>> *From:* Edward Brooks <broo...@mt.net>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2016 2:46 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment
>>
>> Anyone!!??  I watch posts about the strangest things go on in here and
>> not even one reply to a valid question?!
>>
>> On 3/10/2016 11:36 AM, Edward Brooks wrote:
>>
>> Over the last year our "low-cost" digital compass has degraded to the
>> point of being unreliable and now useless.  We have been looking at a few
>> of the obviously expensive options, Sunsight AAT-30, 3Z Antena Aligner,
>> Multiwave SmartAlign to rent.  That being said we are also looking for a
>> less expensive, but more accurate than standing in a field looking back at
>> the antenna, option to purchase.  What are some of you using to accurately
>> align your AP sectors and do initial BH deployment?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Ed
>> --
>> Edward Brooks
>>
>> *Network Operations Project ManagerMontana Internet Corporation*
>> 406-443-3347
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment

[Eric Kuhnke]

for sector antenna elevation, one of these...

http://www.amazon.com/iGaging-AngleCube-Digital-Level-Bevel/dp/B002LL0BIC

If you've planned out coverage with an unusual uptilt or downtilt due to
terrain (or built in electrical downtilt) and are giving the sector to a
3rd party installer to hang.

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I  was working on an electronic version of my accu-aim scope a few years
> ago.  I discovered that no matter how far I extended the flux gate sensor,
> any tower of decent size threw it off.  Best to use a hand held GPS at the
> base of  the the tower and start walking.   After a few tries you will find
> the correct heading.  Note some kind of landmark and aim for that.
>
> Elevation be derived dead on with a cheap digital level.  If you have the
> elevation nailed and the heading/bearing close, you should be able to find
> it with a bit of sweeping.
>
> *From:* Edward Brooks <broo...@mt.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2016 2:46 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment
>
> Anyone!!??  I watch posts about the strangest things go on in here and not
> even one reply to a valid question?!
>
> On 3/10/2016 11:36 AM, Edward Brooks wrote:
>
> Over the last year our "low-cost" digital compass has degraded to the
> point of being unreliable and now useless.  We have been looking at a few
> of the obviously expensive options, Sunsight AAT-30, 3Z Antena Aligner,
> Multiwave SmartAlign to rent.  That being said we are also looking for a
> less expensive, but more accurate than standing in a field looking back at
> the antenna, option to purchase.  What are some of you using to accurately
> align your AP sectors and do initial BH deployment?
>
> Thanks,
> -Ed
> --
> Edward Brooks
>
> *Network Operations Project ManagerMontana Internet Corporation*
> 406-443-3347
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment

[Chuck McCown]

Never mind,  you said sectors.  Those you can guess at.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 3:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment

I  was working on an electronic version of my accu-aim scope a few years ago.  
I discovered that no matter how far I extended the flux gate sensor, any tower 
of decent size threw it off.  Best to use a hand held GPS at the base of  the 
the tower and start walking.   After a few tries you will find the correct 
heading.  Note some kind of landmark and aim for that.  

Elevation be derived dead on with a cheap digital level.  If you have the 
elevation nailed and the heading/bearing close, you should be able to find it 
with a bit of sweeping.  

From: Edward Brooks 
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 2:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment

Anyone!!??  I watch posts about the strangest things go on in here and not even 
one reply to a valid question?!


On 3/10/2016 11:36 AM, Edward Brooks wrote:

  Over the last year our "low-cost" digital compass has degraded to the point 
of being unreliable and now useless.  We have been looking at a few of the 
obviously expensive options, Sunsight AAT-30, 3Z Antena Aligner, Multiwave 
SmartAlign to rent.  That being said we are also looking for a less expensive, 
but more accurate than standing in a field looking back at the antenna, option 
to purchase.  What are some of you using to accurately align your AP sectors 
and do initial BH deployment?

  Thanks,
  -Ed

  -- 
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  Network Operations Project Manager
  Montana Internet Corporation
  406-443-3347





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Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment

[Chuck McCown]

I  was working on an electronic version of my accu-aim scope a few years ago.  
I discovered that no matter how far I extended the flux gate sensor, any tower 
of decent size threw it off.  Best to use a hand held GPS at the base of  the 
the tower and start walking.   After a few tries you will find the correct 
heading.  Note some kind of landmark and aim for that.  

Elevation be derived dead on with a cheap digital level.  If you have the 
elevation nailed and the heading/bearing close, you should be able to find it 
with a bit of sweeping.  

From: Edward Brooks 
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 2:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment

Anyone!!??  I watch posts about the strangest things go on in here and not even 
one reply to a valid question?!


On 3/10/2016 11:36 AM, Edward Brooks wrote:

  Over the last year our "low-cost" digital compass has degraded to the point 
of being unreliable and now useless.  We have been looking at a few of the 
obviously expensive options, Sunsight AAT-30, 3Z Antena Aligner, Multiwave 
SmartAlign to rent.  That being said we are also looking for a less expensive, 
but more accurate than standing in a field looking back at the antenna, option 
to purchase.  What are some of you using to accurately align your AP sectors 
and do initial BH deployment?

  Thanks,
  -Ed

  -- 
  Edward Brooks
  Network Operations Project Manager
  Montana Internet Corporation
  406-443-3347





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Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment

[Adam Moffett]

+1

I'm willing to bet that's the most common practice these days.

I know an older guy who uses a compass and then he takes orange marking 
paint and draws an arrow in the grass.  Honestly, it's not like the 
sector antenna has a rifle sight.  It's basically dead reckoning no 
matter what you use to make the reckoning.



On 3/15/2016 4:58 PM, Darren Shea wrote:


Honestly, we just pull up Google Earth, draw a line from the tower 
with the proper heading and look for landmarks against which to aim 
for sectors and coarse adjustment of BHs. I don’t know if it’s any 
more accurate, but it’s definitely on the same cost plane as standing 
in a field.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Edward Brooks
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2016 3:46 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment

Anyone!!??  I watch posts about the strangest things go on in here and 
not even one reply to a valid question?!


On 3/10/2016 11:36 AM, Edward Brooks wrote:

Over the last year our "low-cost" digital compass has degraded to
the point of being unreliable and now useless.  We have been
looking at a few of the obviously expensive options, Sunsight
AAT-30, 3Z Antena Aligner, Multiwave SmartAlign to rent.  That
being said we are also looking for a less expensive, but more
accurate than standing in a field looking back at the antenna,
option to purchase.  What are some of you using to accurately
align your AP sectors and do initial BH deployment?

Thanks,
-Ed

-- 
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/Network Operations Project Manager
Montana Internet Corporation/
406-443-3347





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Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment

[Eric Kuhnke]

For AF24 alignment and similar (rooftop to rooftop) at the 4 to 5km range,
you can tie a 2'x2' piece of cardboard spray painted orange to the far end
AF24, while it's powered off, to help new or less experienced people
acquire aim on the building.

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> We eyeball it. We look at a map, identify landmarks, and align based on
> that. For AF24 backhauls you can attach a scope on a rail to the side of it.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Edward Brooks  wrote:
>
>> Anyone!!??  I watch posts about the strangest things go on in here and
>> not even one reply to a valid question?!
>>
>>
>> On 3/10/2016 11:36 AM, Edward Brooks wrote:
>>
>> Over the last year our "low-cost" digital compass has degraded to the
>> point of being unreliable and now useless.  We have been looking at a few
>> of the obviously expensive options, Sunsight AAT-30, 3Z Antena Aligner,
>> Multiwave SmartAlign to rent.  That being said we are also looking for a
>> less expensive, but more accurate than standing in a field looking back at
>> the antenna, option to purchase.  What are some of you using to accurately
>> align your AP sectors and do initial BH deployment?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Ed
>> --
>> Edward Brooks
>>
>> *Network Operations Project Manager Montana Internet Corporation*
>> 406-443-3347
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

tie a string to the remote antenna, its the best way

but if you do find a cood, affordable and reliable solution, let me know

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Edward Brooks  wrote:

> Anyone!!??  I watch posts about the strangest things go on in here and not
> even one reply to a valid question?!
>
>
> On 3/10/2016 11:36 AM, Edward Brooks wrote:
>
> Over the last year our "low-cost" digital compass has degraded to the
> point of being unreliable and now useless.  We have been looking at a few
> of the obviously expensive options, Sunsight AAT-30, 3Z Antena Aligner,
> Multiwave SmartAlign to rent.  That being said we are also looking for a
> less expensive, but more accurate than standing in a field looking back at
> the antenna, option to purchase.  What are some of you using to accurately
> align your AP sectors and do initial BH deployment?
>
> Thanks,
> -Ed
> --
> Edward Brooks
>
> *Network Operations Project Manager Montana Internet Corporation*
> 406-443-3347
>
>
>
>
> --
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Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment

[Bill Prince]

Absolutely. With this compass you really can't be within 5-10 feet of 
any large metallic object and expect good results. Walking 100' away 
from the tower and shooting a back azimuth is the way to go.


However, it's usually good for 1 degree resolution if you know how to 
use it.


bp


On 3/15/2016 1:57 PM, Edward Brooks wrote:
Bill, have you had any issues with the tower itself causing "issues" 
with the compass?


On 3/15/2016 2:51 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
We use a Suunto precision compass for initial alignment 
(http://www.suunto.com/en-US/Products/Compasses/Suunto-Tandem/Suunto-Tandem-360PC-360R-G-Clino-Compass/).


However, we will make adjustments based on signal levels we get at 
the subscriber end.


bp


On 3/15/2016 1:46 PM, Edward Brooks wrote:
Anyone!!??  I watch posts about the strangest things go on in here 
and not even one reply to a valid question?!


On 3/10/2016 11:36 AM, Edward Brooks wrote:
Over the last year our "low-cost" digital compass has degraded to 
the point of being unreliable and now useless.  We have been 
looking at a few of the obviously expensive options, Sunsight 
AAT-30, 3Z Antena Aligner, Multiwave SmartAlign to rent.  That 
being said we are also looking for a less expensive, but more 
accurate than standing in a field looking back at the antenna, 
option to purchase.  What are some of you using to accurately align 
your AP sectors and do initial BH deployment?


Thanks,
-Ed
--
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/Network Operations Project Manager
Montana Internet Corporation/
406-443-3347





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Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment

[Darren Shea]

Honestly, we just pull up Google Earth, draw a line from the tower with the 
proper heading and look for landmarks against which to aim for sectors and 
coarse adjustment of BHs. I don’t know if it’s any more accurate, but it’s 
definitely on the same cost plane as standing in a field.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Edward Brooks
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 3:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment

 

Anyone!!??  I watch posts about the strangest things go on in here and not even 
one reply to a valid question?!

On 3/10/2016 11:36 AM, Edward Brooks wrote:

Over the last year our "low-cost" digital compass has degraded to the point of 
being unreliable and now useless.  We have been looking at a few of the 
obviously expensive options, Sunsight AAT-30, 3Z Antena Aligner, Multiwave 
SmartAlign to rent.  That being said we are also looking for a less expensive, 
but more accurate than standing in a field looking back at the antenna, option 
to purchase.  What are some of you using to accurately align your AP sectors 
and do initial BH deployment?

Thanks,
-Ed

-- 
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Network Operations Project Manager
Montana Internet Corporation
406-443-3347





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Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment

[Edward Brooks]

Bill, have you had any issues with the tower itself causing "issues" 
with the compass?


On 3/15/2016 2:51 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
We use a Suunto precision compass for initial alignment 
(http://www.suunto.com/en-US/Products/Compasses/Suunto-Tandem/Suunto-Tandem-360PC-360R-G-Clino-Compass/).


However, we will make adjustments based on signal levels we get at the 
subscriber end.


bp


On 3/15/2016 1:46 PM, Edward Brooks wrote:
Anyone!!??  I watch posts about the strangest things go on in here 
and not even one reply to a valid question?!


On 3/10/2016 11:36 AM, Edward Brooks wrote:
Over the last year our "low-cost" digital compass has degraded to 
the point of being unreliable and now useless.  We have been looking 
at a few of the obviously expensive options, Sunsight AAT-30, 3Z 
Antena Aligner, Multiwave SmartAlign to rent.  That being said we 
are also looking for a less expensive, but more accurate than 
standing in a field looking back at the antenna, option to purchase. 
What are some of you using to accurately align your AP sectors and 
do initial BH deployment?


Thanks,
-Ed
--
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/Network Operations Project Manager
Montana Internet Corporation/
406-443-3347





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Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment

[Bill Prince]

We use a Suunto precision compass for initial alignment 
(http://www.suunto.com/en-US/Products/Compasses/Suunto-Tandem/Suunto-Tandem-360PC-360R-G-Clino-Compass/).


However, we will make adjustments based on signal levels we get at the 
subscriber end.


bp


On 3/15/2016 1:46 PM, Edward Brooks wrote:
Anyone!!??  I watch posts about the strangest things go on in here and 
not even one reply to a valid question?!


On 3/10/2016 11:36 AM, Edward Brooks wrote:
Over the last year our "low-cost" digital compass has degraded to the 
point of being unreliable and now useless. We have been looking at a 
few of the obviously expensive options, Sunsight AAT-30, 3Z Antena 
Aligner, Multiwave SmartAlign to rent.  That being said we are also 
looking for a less expensive, but more accurate than standing in a 
field looking back at the antenna, option to purchase.  What are some 
of you using to accurately align your AP sectors and do initial BH 
deployment?


Thanks,
-Ed
--
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/Network Operations Project Manager
Montana Internet Corporation/
406-443-3347





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Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment

[Josh Reynolds]

We eyeball it. We look at a map, identify landmarks, and align based on
that. For AF24 backhauls you can attach a scope on a rail to the side of it.



On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Edward Brooks  wrote:

> Anyone!!??  I watch posts about the strangest things go on in here and not
> even one reply to a valid question?!
>
>
> On 3/10/2016 11:36 AM, Edward Brooks wrote:
>
> Over the last year our "low-cost" digital compass has degraded to the
> point of being unreliable and now useless.  We have been looking at a few
> of the obviously expensive options, Sunsight AAT-30, 3Z Antena Aligner,
> Multiwave SmartAlign to rent.  That being said we are also looking for a
> less expensive, but more accurate than standing in a field looking back at
> the antenna, option to purchase.  What are some of you using to accurately
> align your AP sectors and do initial BH deployment?
>
> Thanks,
> -Ed
> --
> Edward Brooks
>
> *Network Operations Project Manager Montana Internet Corporation*
> 406-443-3347
>
>
>
>
> --
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment

[Edward Brooks]

Anyone!!??  I watch posts about the strangest things go on in here and 
not even one reply to a valid question?!


On 3/10/2016 11:36 AM, Edward Brooks wrote:
Over the last year our "low-cost" digital compass has degraded to the 
point of being unreliable and now useless.  We have been looking at a 
few of the obviously expensive options, Sunsight AAT-30, 3Z Antena 
Aligner, Multiwave SmartAlign to rent. That being said we are also 
looking for a less expensive, but more accurate than standing in a 
field looking back at the antenna, option to purchase.  What are some 
of you using to accurately align your AP sectors and do initial BH 
deployment?


Thanks,
-Ed
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/Network Operations Project Manager
Montana Internet Corporation/
406-443-3347




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[AFMUG] AP Sector Alignment

[Edward Brooks]

Over the last year our "low-cost" digital compass has degraded to the 
point of being unreliable and now useless.  We have been looking at a 
few of the obviously expensive options, Sunsight AAT-30, 3Z Antena 
Aligner, Multiwave SmartAlign to rent.  That being said we are also 
looking for a less expensive, but more accurate than standing in a field 
looking back at the antenna, option to purchase.  What are some of you 
using to accurately align your AP sectors and do initial BH deployment?


Thanks,
-Ed
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/Network Operations Project Manager
Montana Internet Corporation/
406-443-3347


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