Re: [AFMUG] Dumb Question

[Adam Moffett]

Makes sense actually.


-- Original Message --
From: "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/22/2017 10:42:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dumb Question

Hum… thinking about it more.   The phone drop would have originally 
been two parallel conductors with insulation.  They were not originally 
twisted pairs in the phone network and placing the two wires flat next 
to each other uses the least insulation material.


https://patents.google.com/patent/US3134845A/en?q=telephone=drop=cable=19700101=3



Mark


On Mar 22, 2017, at 10:19 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:

It copies the standard for telephone drop cables and works with the 
same drop wire clamps that have been used for years.  As to why 
telephone drop cable is flat probably requires research into old telco 
practices.   Given the amount of research Bell Labs did over the years 
I’m sure there is a very good reason.



Mark

On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:37 PM, Colin Stanners <cstann...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


The standard is one buffer tube at the middle, with one strength 
member on each side. Maybe the additional strength members of a 
rounded cable increases cost but doesn't help strength? Or as flat 
cable takes up less space on the reel?


On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Why are fiber drop cables flat?

Re: [AFMUG] Dumb Question

[Jason McKemie]

I've used these in a few locations. I always end up ditching the shim
though - you'd have to have some pretty skinny cable to use it.

On Wednesday, March 22, 2017, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> P clamps.
> [image: Image result for p clamp drop wire]
>
> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dumb Question
>
> It copies the standard for telephone drop cables and works with the same
> drop wire clamps that have been used for years.  As to why telephone drop
> cable is flat probably requires research into old telco practices.   Given
> the amount of research Bell Labs did over the years I’m sure there is a
> very good reason.
>
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:37 PM, Colin Stanners <cstann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The standard is one buffer tube at the middle, with one strength member on
> each side. Maybe the additional strength members of a rounded cable
> increases cost but doesn't help strength? Or as flat cable takes up less
> space on the reel?
>
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Why are fiber drop cables flat?
>>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dumb Question

[Chuck McCown]

P clamps.


From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dumb Question

It copies the standard for telephone drop cables and works with the same drop 
wire clamps that have been used for years.  As to why telephone drop cable is 
flat probably requires research into old telco practices.   Given the amount of 
research Bell Labs did over the years I’m sure there is a very good reason. 


Mark 

  On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:37 PM, Colin Stanners <cstann...@gmail.com> wrote:

  The standard is one buffer tube at the middle, with one strength member on 
each side. Maybe the additional strength members of a rounded cable increases 
cost but doesn't help strength? Or as flat cable takes up less space on the 
reel?

  On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

Why are fiber drop cables flat?  

Re: [AFMUG] Dumb Question

[Mark Radabaugh]

Hum… thinking about it more.   The phone drop would have originally been two 
parallel conductors with insulation.  They were not originally twisted pairs in 
the phone network and placing the two wires flat next to each other uses the 
least insulation material.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US3134845A/en?q=telephone=drop=cable=19700101=3
 




Mark

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 10:19 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> 
> It copies the standard for telephone drop cables and works with the same drop 
> wire clamps that have been used for years.  As to why telephone drop cable is 
> flat probably requires research into old telco practices.   Given the amount 
> of research Bell Labs did over the years I’m sure there is a very good reason.
> 
> 
> Mark 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:37 PM, Colin Stanners > > wrote:
>> 
>> The standard is one buffer tube at the middle, with one strength member on 
>> each side. Maybe the additional strength members of a rounded cable 
>> increases cost but doesn't help strength? Or as flat cable takes up less 
>> space on the reel?
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Adam Moffett > > wrote:
>> Why are fiber drop cables flat?  
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Dumb Question

[Mark Radabaugh]

It copies the standard for telephone drop cables and works with the same drop 
wire clamps that have been used for years.  As to why telephone drop cable is 
flat probably requires research into old telco practices.   Given the amount of 
research Bell Labs did over the years I’m sure there is a very good reason.


Mark 

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:37 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:
> 
> The standard is one buffer tube at the middle, with one strength member on 
> each side. Maybe the additional strength members of a rounded cable increases 
> cost but doesn't help strength? Or as flat cable takes up less space on the 
> reel?
> 
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Adam Moffett  > wrote:
> Why are fiber drop cables flat?  
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Dumb Question

[Colin Stanners]

The standard is one buffer tube at the middle, with one strength member on
each side. Maybe the additional strength members of a rounded cable
increases cost but doesn't help strength? Or as flat cable takes up less
space on the reel?

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Why are fiber drop cables flat?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dumb Question

[Josh Luthman]

You mean like ribbon?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 9:32 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Why are fiber drop cables flat?
>

[AFMUG] Dumb Question

[Adam Moffett]

Why are fiber drop cables flat?

Re: [AFMUG] dumb question / brain fart

[Paul McCall]

Yep.. thanks !

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 4:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] dumb question / brain fart

Sounds right to me, too.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 4:55 PM, David 
<dmilho...@wletc.com<mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
I believe you are correct and then you have to tell CNUT to change it from 10 
to 20


On 06/27/2016 09:04 AM, Kevin Neal wrote:
If I remember correctly you had to change that with CNUT, there isn't enough 
storage on the device to hold both the 10Mhz and 20Mhz images.

-Kevin


On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
I haven’t messed with 430APs for a long time.  The guys are programming a 5.8 
(5780APC) in the field and it says “10 Mhz” with no apparent place to change 
it.  Tried US and Other for country code and makes no difference.

What did I forget, lol ?

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com>
www.floridabroadband.com<http://www.floridabroadband.com>





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Network Administrator
Safelink Internet

Re: [AFMUG] dumb question / brain fart

[Josh Luthman]

Sounds right to me, too.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 4:55 PM, David  wrote:

> I believe you are correct and then you have to tell CNUT to change it from
> 10 to 20
>
>
>
> On 06/27/2016 09:04 AM, Kevin Neal wrote:
>
> If I remember correctly you had to change that with CNUT, there isn't
> enough storage on the device to hold both the 10Mhz and 20Mhz images.
>
> -Kevin
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> I haven’t messed with 430APs for a long time.  The guys are programming a
>> 5.8 (5780APC) in the field and it says “10 Mhz” with no apparent place to
>> change it.  Tried US and Other for country code and makes no difference.
>>
>>
>>
>> What did I forget, lol ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Kevin Neal*
> Network Administrator
> Safelink Internet
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] dumb question / brain fart

[David]

I believe you are correct and then you have to tell CNUT to change it 
from 10 to 20



On 06/27/2016 09:04 AM, Kevin Neal wrote:
If I remember correctly you had to change that with CNUT, there isn't 
enough storage on the device to hold both the 10Mhz and 20Mhz images.


-Kevin


On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Paul McCall > wrote:


I haven’t messed with 430APs for a long time.  The guys are
programming a 5.8 (5780APC) in the field and it says “10 Mhz” with
no apparent place to change it.  Tried US and Other for country
code and makes no difference.

What did I forget, lol ?

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com 




--
*Kevin Neal*
Network Administrator
Safelink Internet

Re: [AFMUG] dumb question / brain fart

[Kevin Neal]

If I remember correctly you had to change that with CNUT, there isn't
enough storage on the device to hold both the 10Mhz and 20Mhz images.

-Kevin


On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> I haven’t messed with 430APs for a long time.  The guys are programming a
> 5.8 (5780APC) in the field and it says “10 Mhz” with no apparent place to
> change it.  Tried US and Other for country code and makes no difference.
>
>
>
> What did I forget, lol ?
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>



-- 
*Kevin Neal*
Network Administrator
Safelink Internet

[AFMUG] dumb question / brain fart

[Paul McCall]

I haven't messed with 430APs for a long time.  The guys are programming a 5.8 
(5780APC) in the field and it says "10 Mhz" with no apparent place to change 
it.  Tried US and Other for country code and makes no difference.

What did I forget, lol ?

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com