Re: [AFMUG] Pull line

[Mark Radabaugh]

You definitely want good gloves when pulling poly - this one seems to be the 
favorite:  
http://www.outdoorgearlab.com/Climbing-Glove-Reviews/PMI-Fingerless-Glove

If we have the cathead on site we just pull the poly line up with it.

And the comments about pulling with it in occupied or PVC are certainly valid - 
it will cut right through PVC or other cables - use mule tape or rod for that.

Mark

> On Nov 19, 2015, at 9:49 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> 
> That seems difficult to pull the rope with such a tiny diameter.  Also 
> dangerous for friction burns...
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Nov 19, 2015 8:22 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net 
> <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
> We use regular poly pull line all the time:  
> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-6-500-ft-Pulling-Line-56110/100660172 
> <http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-6-500-ft-Pulling-Line-56110/100660172>
> 
> It’s cheap and more than strong enough to pull the 1/2” rope up and back down 
> the tower.   We use it a couple of ways:
> 
> a) Climber takes the bucket of string, a pulley, and a couple of small 
> weights up the tower.   Tie the weight on and throw the string down.   Cut 
> the poly and repeat.   Tie the two ends of the poly together through the 
> pulley, attach the rope at the bottom and pull it up.   If you rig the poly 
> onto the rope correctly it fits though the pulley without having to mess 
> around up top.   This method works best on towers with a number of 
> obstructions the prevent the next method from working.  It doesn’t work well 
> when it’s really windy.
> 
> b) Climber takes the pulley with the line already through it up with him.  
> Helper on the ground keeps the tag and and the line coming out of the bucket 
> under control.  This is the lightest for the climber but doesn’t work when 
> there are a lot of things for the poly to snag on or where the climber weaves 
> in and out of the tower.
> 
> The cathead winch will easily pull the poly line.
> 
> We don’t try to salvage the poly line - it’s cheap enough that we just 
> recycle it when we are done (ok - who am I kidding, we wad it up and throw it 
> in the trash can).
> 
> 
> Mark Radabaugh
> Amplex
> 27800 Lemoyne, Ste F
> Millbury, OH 43447
> 419-837-5015 x1021 <tel:419-837-5015%20x1021>
> m...@amplex.net <mailto:m...@amplex.net>
> 
> > On Nov 18, 2015, at 9:22 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
> > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
> >
> > We use the Omni Blocks as the travelling pulley for trolleying but the best 
> > ones by far for the top side are the Kearney  or Hubbell aluminum blocks:
> >
> > http://www.gmesupply.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=kearney+block 
> > <http://www.gmesupply.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=kearney+block>
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message- From: George Skorup
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 10:04 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pull line
> >
> > We do this all the time. We have cheap-o 200' of white 3/8" from Home
> > Depot or something like that. NOT nylon sheath, that shit sucks. Fits in
> > a regular size climbers canvas bucket. Climber throws it over/down, hook
> > up the block keeping both ends of the load rope on the ground, he pulls
> > it up. You could even get something like a Petzl micro pulley to make it
> > a little easier on the tower guy. If we're working above 200 feet, then
> > they just climb up with one end of the 400' 7/16" to pull up the 800 7/16".
> >
> > A top side pulley that I highly recommend is the Rock Exotica Omni Block
> > series. We have the 2" which isn't exactly rated for capstan hoist use,
> > but we're also not hauling 1k lbs of gear. There's a 2.5 or 2.6" that is
> > capstan rated now though.
> >
> > On 11/17/2015 9:39 PM, Roland Houin wrote:
> >> try mule tape.
> >> fairly cheap & light.
> >> we've put a bunch on a extension cord reel.
> >> you will need a small weight so when you drop the tape, it doesn't blow in 
> >> the wind too much.
> >>
> >> roland
> >>
> >>> On some towers, water towers and buildings it's a real pain to bring the 
> >>> rope
> >> up.
> >> I'm wondering if there's some sort of really light rope that would enable 
> >> us to
> >> bring the whole thing up, drop it, and then pull up a real load rope. My 
> >> main
> >> concern would be weight and size of 200+ feet of even tiny rope.
> >> Does anyone have any experience or suggestions?
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373 <
> >>
> >
> >
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Pull line

[George Skorup]

We've used that stuff in PVC conduit and it tears it up pretty bad. 
Definitely do not use that stuff to add more wires in a pipe later. It 
will rip the jacket on cables pretty fast. Ask me how I know. :( 
Probably fine for the initial pull in an empty pipe. Mule tape all the 
way though.


On 11/19/2015 8:49 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


That seems difficult to pull the rope with such a tiny diameter.  Also 
dangerous for friction burns...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 19, 2015 8:22 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net 
<mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:


We use regular poly pull line all the time:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-6-500-ft-Pulling-Line-56110/100660172

It’s cheap and more than strong enough to pull the 1/2” rope up
and back down the tower.   We use it a couple of ways:

a) Climber takes the bucket of string, a pulley, and a couple of
small weights up the tower.   Tie the weight on and throw the
string down.   Cut the poly and repeat.   Tie the two ends of the
poly together through the pulley, attach the rope at the bottom
and pull it up.   If you rig the poly onto the rope correctly it
fits though the pulley without having to mess around up top. 
 This method works best on towers with a number of obstructions

the prevent the next method from working.  It doesn’t work well
when it’s really windy.

b) Climber takes the pulley with the line already through it up
with him.  Helper on the ground keeps the tag and and the line
coming out of the bucket under control.  This is the lightest for
the climber but doesn’t work when there are a lot of things for
the poly to snag on or where the climber weaves in and out of the
tower.

The cathead winch will easily pull the poly line.

We don’t try to salvage the poly line - it’s cheap enough that we
just recycle it when we are done (ok - who am I kidding, we wad it
up and throw it in the trash can).


Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
27800 Lemoyne, Ste F
Millbury, OH 43447
419-837-5015 x1021 <tel:419-837-5015%20x1021>
m...@amplex.net <mailto:m...@amplex.net>

> On Nov 18, 2015, at 9:22 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>
> We use the Omni Blocks as the travelling pulley for trolleying
but the best ones by far for the top side are the Kearney  or
Hubbell aluminum blocks:
>
> http://www.gmesupply.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=kearney+block
>
>
>
> -Original Message- From: George Skorup
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 10:04 PM
    > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pull line
>
> We do this all the time. We have cheap-o 200' of white 3/8" from
Home
> Depot or something like that. NOT nylon sheath, that shit sucks.
Fits in
> a regular size climbers canvas bucket. Climber throws it
over/down, hook
> up the block keeping both ends of the load rope on the ground,
he pulls
> it up. You could even get something like a Petzl micro pulley to
make it
> a little easier on the tower guy. If we're working above 200
feet, then
> they just climb up with one end of the 400' 7/16" to pull up the
800 7/16".
>
> A top side pulley that I highly recommend is the Rock Exotica
Omni Block
> series. We have the 2" which isn't exactly rated for capstan
hoist use,
> but we're also not hauling 1k lbs of gear. There's a 2.5 or 2.6"
that is
> capstan rated now though.
>
> On 11/17/2015 9:39 PM, Roland Houin wrote:
>> try mule tape.
>> fairly cheap & light.
>> we've put a bunch on a extension cord reel.
>> you will need a small weight so when you drop the tape, it
doesn't blow in the wind too much.
>>
>> roland
>>
>>> On some towers, water towers and buildings it's a real pain to
bring the rope
>> up.
>> I'm wondering if there's some sort of really light rope that
would enable us to
>> bring the whole thing up, drop it, and then pull up a real load
rope. My main
>> concern would be weight and size of 200+ feet of even tiny rope.
>> Does anyone have any experience or suggestions?
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373 <
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pull line

[Josh Luthman]

That seems difficult to pull the rope with such a tiny diameter.  Also
dangerous for friction burns...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 19, 2015 8:22 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> wrote:

> We use regular poly pull line all the time:
> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-6-500-ft-Pulling-Line-56110/100660172
>
> It’s cheap and more than strong enough to pull the 1/2” rope up and back
> down the tower.   We use it a couple of ways:
>
> a) Climber takes the bucket of string, a pulley, and a couple of small
> weights up the tower.   Tie the weight on and throw the string down.   Cut
> the poly and repeat.   Tie the two ends of the poly together through the
> pulley, attach the rope at the bottom and pull it up.   If you rig the poly
> onto the rope correctly it fits though the pulley without having to mess
> around up top.   This method works best on towers with a number of
> obstructions the prevent the next method from working.  It doesn’t work
> well when it’s really windy.
>
> b) Climber takes the pulley with the line already through it up with him.
> Helper on the ground keeps the tag and and the line coming out of the
> bucket under control.  This is the lightest for the climber but doesn’t
> work when there are a lot of things for the poly to snag on or where the
> climber weaves in and out of the tower.
>
> The cathead winch will easily pull the poly line.
>
> We don’t try to salvage the poly line - it’s cheap enough that we just
> recycle it when we are done (ok - who am I kidding, we wad it up and throw
> it in the trash can).
>
>
> Mark Radabaugh
> Amplex
> 27800 Lemoyne, Ste F
> Millbury, OH 43447
> 419-837-5015 x1021
> m...@amplex.net
>
> > On Nov 18, 2015, at 9:22 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
> >
> > We use the Omni Blocks as the travelling pulley for trolleying but the
> best ones by far for the top side are the Kearney  or Hubbell aluminum
> blocks:
> >
> > http://www.gmesupply.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=kearney+block
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message- From: George Skorup
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 10:04 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pull line
> >
> > We do this all the time. We have cheap-o 200' of white 3/8" from Home
> > Depot or something like that. NOT nylon sheath, that shit sucks. Fits in
> > a regular size climbers canvas bucket. Climber throws it over/down, hook
> > up the block keeping both ends of the load rope on the ground, he pulls
> > it up. You could even get something like a Petzl micro pulley to make it
> > a little easier on the tower guy. If we're working above 200 feet, then
> > they just climb up with one end of the 400' 7/16" to pull up the 800
> 7/16".
> >
> > A top side pulley that I highly recommend is the Rock Exotica Omni Block
> > series. We have the 2" which isn't exactly rated for capstan hoist use,
> > but we're also not hauling 1k lbs of gear. There's a 2.5 or 2.6" that is
> > capstan rated now though.
> >
> > On 11/17/2015 9:39 PM, Roland Houin wrote:
> >> try mule tape.
> >> fairly cheap & light.
> >> we've put a bunch on a extension cord reel.
> >> you will need a small weight so when you drop the tape, it doesn't blow
> in the wind too much.
> >>
> >> roland
> >>
> >>> On some towers, water towers and buildings it's a real pain to bring
> the rope
> >> up.
> >> I'm wondering if there's some sort of really light rope that would
> enable us to
> >> bring the whole thing up, drop it, and then pull up a real load rope.
> My main
> >> concern would be weight and size of 200+ feet of even tiny rope.
> >> Does anyone have any experience or suggestions?
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373 <
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pull line

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

We learned about poly and pvc the hard way too get, for pipe pulls mule
tape is the only way to go, it's reusable and also good to leave in. It
also turn out other contractors are more respectful of it in shared pipes,
poly they just pull and don't pull a second, mule tape they replace
On Nov 19, 2015 10:10 PM, "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

> We've used that stuff in PVC conduit and it tears it up pretty bad.
> Definitely do not use that stuff to add more wires in a pipe later. It will
> rip the jacket on cables pretty fast. Ask me how I know. :( Probably fine
> for the initial pull in an empty pipe. Mule tape all the way though.
>
> On 11/19/2015 8:49 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> That seems difficult to pull the rope with such a tiny diameter.  Also
> dangerous for friction burns...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Nov 19, 2015 8:22 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> wrote:
>
>> We use regular poly pull line all the time:
>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-6-500-ft-Pulling-Line-56110/100660172
>>
>> It’s cheap and more than strong enough to pull the 1/2” rope up and back
>> down the tower.   We use it a couple of ways:
>>
>> a) Climber takes the bucket of string, a pulley, and a couple of small
>> weights up the tower.   Tie the weight on and throw the string down.   Cut
>> the poly and repeat.   Tie the two ends of the poly together through the
>> pulley, attach the rope at the bottom and pull it up.   If you rig the poly
>> onto the rope correctly it fits though the pulley without having to mess
>> around up top.   This method works best on towers with a number of
>> obstructions the prevent the next method from working.  It doesn’t work
>> well when it’s really windy.
>>
>> b) Climber takes the pulley with the line already through it up with
>> him.  Helper on the ground keeps the tag and and the line coming out of the
>> bucket under control.  This is the lightest for the climber but doesn’t
>> work when there are a lot of things for the poly to snag on or where the
>> climber weaves in and out of the tower.
>>
>> The cathead winch will easily pull the poly line.
>>
>> We don’t try to salvage the poly line - it’s cheap enough that we just
>> recycle it when we are done (ok - who am I kidding, we wad it up and throw
>> it in the trash can).
>>
>>
>> Mark Radabaugh
>> Amplex
>> 27800 Lemoyne, Ste F
>> Millbury, OH 43447
>> 419-837-5015 x1021
>> m...@amplex.net
>>
>> > On Nov 18, 2015, at 9:22 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > We use the Omni Blocks as the travelling pulley for trolleying but the
>> best ones by far for the top side are the Kearney  or Hubbell aluminum
>> blocks:
>> >
>> > http://www.gmesupply.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=kearney+block
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message- From: George Skorup
>> > Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 10:04 PM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pull line
>> >
>> > We do this all the time. We have cheap-o 200' of white 3/8" from Home
>> > Depot or something like that. NOT nylon sheath, that shit sucks. Fits in
>> > a regular size climbers canvas bucket. Climber throws it over/down, hook
>> > up the block keeping both ends of the load rope on the ground, he pulls
>> > it up. You could even get something like a Petzl micro pulley to make it
>> > a little easier on the tower guy. If we're working above 200 feet, then
>> > they just climb up with one end of the 400' 7/16" to pull up the 800
>> 7/16".
>> >
>> > A top side pulley that I highly recommend is the Rock Exotica Omni Block
>> > series. We have the 2" which isn't exactly rated for capstan hoist use,
>> > but we're also not hauling 1k lbs of gear. There's a 2.5 or 2.6" that is
>> > capstan rated now though.
>> >
>> > On 11/17/2015 9:39 PM, Roland Houin wrote:
>> >> try mule tape.
>> >> fairly cheap & light.
>> >> we've put a bunch on a extension cord reel.
>> >> you will need a small weight so when you drop the tape, it doesn't
>> blow in the wind too much.
>> >>
>> >> roland
>> >>
>> >>> On some towers, water towers and buildings it's a real pain to bring
>> the rope
>> >> up.
>> >> I'm wondering if there's some sort of really light rope that would
>> enable us to
>> >> bring the whole thing up, drop it, and then pull up a real load rope.
>> My main
>> >> concern would be weight and size of 200+ feet of even tiny rope.
>> >> Does anyone have any experience or suggestions?
>> >> Josh Luthman
>> >> Office: 937-552-2340
>> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> >> 1100 Wayne St
>> >> Suite 1337
>> >> Troy, OH 45373 <
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pull line

[Josh Luthman]

Tried string.  There's no way to pull it up on the tower.  You have no grip
on it.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Jay Weekley <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
wrote:

> Try this.  It's actually rated for 210 pounds.
>
> http://www.lowes.com/pd_187202-72068-430-500_0__?productId=3414326
>
> http://images.lowes.com/product/converted/783310/783310125983lg.jpg
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> We use that exact same block, I think.  But that doesn't really solve my
> issue =P
>
> Jay - no link/image?
>
> I got this rope:
> http://www.rocknrescue.com/acatalog/Sterling-3-8-10mm-Superstatic2-300-foot-92M-Sections.html
> this bag: http://shop.pmirope.com/pmi-large-rope-bag-blue-rb44017
>
> Thanks for the suggestion Ken!!!
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> We use the Omni Blocks as the travelling pulley for trolleying but the
>> best ones by far for the top side are the Kearney  or Hubbell aluminum
>> blocks:
>>
>> http://www.gmesupply.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=kearney+block
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- From: George Skorup
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 10:04 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pull line
>>
>>
>> We do this all the time. We have cheap-o 200' of white 3/8" from Home
>> Depot or something like that. NOT nylon sheath, that shit sucks. Fits in
>> a regular size climbers canvas bucket. Climber throws it over/down, hook
>> up the block keeping both ends of the load rope on the ground, he pulls
>> it up. You could even get something like a Petzl micro pulley to make it
>> a little easier on the tower guy. If we're working above 200 feet, then
>> they just climb up with one end of the 400' 7/16" to pull up the 800
>> 7/16".
>>
>> A top side pulley that I highly recommend is the Rock Exotica Omni Block
>> series. We have the 2" which isn't exactly rated for capstan hoist use,
>> but we're also not hauling 1k lbs of gear. There's a 2.5 or 2.6" that is
>> capstan rated now though.
>>
>> On 11/17/2015 9:39 PM, Roland Houin wrote:
>>
>>> try mule tape.
>>> fairly cheap & light.
>>> we've put a bunch on a extension cord reel.
>>> you will need a small weight so when you drop the tape, it doesn't blow
>>> in the wind too much.
>>>
>>> roland
>>>
>>> On some towers, water towers and buildings it's a real pain to bring the
>>>> rope
>>>>
>>> up.
>>> I'm wondering if there's some sort of really light rope that would
>>> enable us to
>>> bring the whole thing up, drop it, and then pull up a real load rope. My
>>> main
>>> concern would be weight and size of 200+ feet of even tiny rope.
>>> Does anyone have any experience or suggestions?
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373 <
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pull line

[Jay Weekley]

  
  
Try this.  It's actually rated for 210 pounds. 

http://www.lowes.com/pd_187202-72068-430-500_0__?productId=3414326

http://images.lowes.com/product/converted/783310/783310125983lg.jpg

Josh Luthman wrote:


  We use that exact same block, I think.  But that
doesn't really solve my issue =P


Jay - no link/image?


I got this rope: http://www.rocknrescue.com/acatalog/Sterling-3-8-10mm-Superstatic2-300-foot-92M-Sections.html
this bag: http://shop.pmirope.com/pmi-large-rope-bag-blue-rb44017


Thanks for the suggestion Ken!!!
  
  

  

  
  
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
  


On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Ken
  Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com>
  wrote:
  We use the
Omni Blocks as the travelling pulley for trolleying but the
best ones by far for the top side are the Kearney  or
Hubbell aluminum blocks:

http://www.gmesupply.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=kearney+block



-Original Message- From: George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 10:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pull line

  

We do this all the time. We have cheap-o 200' of white
3/8" from Home
Depot or something like that. NOT nylon sheath, that
shit sucks. Fits in
a regular size climbers canvas bucket. Climber throws it
over/down, hook
up the block keeping both ends of the load rope on the
ground, he pulls
it up. You could even get something like a Petzl micro
pulley to make it
a little easier on the tower guy. If we're working above
200 feet, then
they just climb up with one end of the 400' 7/16" to
pull up the 800 7/16".

A top side pulley that I highly recommend is the Rock
Exotica Omni Block
series. We have the 2" which isn't exactly rated for
capstan hoist use,
but we're also not hauling 1k lbs of gear. There's a 2.5
or 2.6" that is
capstan rated now though.

On 11/17/2015 9:39 PM, Roland Houin wrote:

  try mule tape.
  fairly cheap & light.
  we've put a bunch on a extension cord reel.
  you will need a small weight so when you drop the
  tape, it doesn't blow in the wind too much.
  
  roland
  
  
On some towers, water towers and buildings it's a
real pain to bring the rope
  
  up.
  I'm wondering if there's some sort of really light
  rope that would enable us to
  bring the whole thing up, drop it, and then pull up a
  real load rope. My main
  concern would be weight and size of 200+ feet of even
  tiny rope.
  Does anyone have any experience or suggestions?
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373 <
  



  

  


  


  

Re: [AFMUG] Pull line

[Josh Luthman]

The wad definitely sucks, but that problem could be solved by a spool and
weight.

Always bring up all your tools in the bucket/bag, otherwise that's going to
be a really bad double climb.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Jay Weekley <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
wrote:

> Makes sense.  My plan was to use it for small tools or radios in case
> someone got to the top of a tower and needed something but I've never
> actually implemented the idea.  And you have a big wad of string to deal
> with.
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>> Tried string.  There's no way to pull it up on the tower.  You have no
>> grip on it.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Jay Weekley <par...@cyberbroadband.net
>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Try this.  It's actually rated for 210 pounds.
>>
>> http://www.lowes.com/pd_187202-72068-430-500_0__?productId=3414326
>>
>> http://images.lowes.com/product/converted/783310/783310125983lg.jpg
>>
>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>>> We use that exact same block, I think. But that doesn't really
>>> solve my issue =P
>>>
>>> Jay - no link/image?
>>>
>>> I got this rope:
>>>
>>> http://www.rocknrescue.com/acatalog/Sterling-3-8-10mm-Superstatic2-300-foot-92M-Sections.html
>>> this bag: http://shop.pmirope.com/pmi-large-rope-bag-blue-rb44017
>>>
>>> Thanks for the suggestion Ken!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
>>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We use the Omni Blocks as the travelling pulley for
>>>     trolleying but the best ones by far for the top side are the
>>> Kearney  or Hubbell aluminum blocks:
>>>
>>> http://www.gmesupply.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=kearney+block
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: George Skorup
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 10:04 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pull line
>>>
>>>
>>> We do this all the time. We have cheap-o 200' of white 3/8"
>>> from Home
>>> Depot or something like that. NOT nylon sheath, that shit
>>> sucks. Fits in
>>> a regular size climbers canvas bucket. Climber throws it
>>> over/down, hook
>>> up the block keeping both ends of the load rope on the
>>> ground, he pulls
>>> it up. You could even get something like a Petzl micro pulley
>>> to make it
>>> a little easier on the tower guy. If we're working above 200
>>> feet, then
>>> they just climb up with one end of the 400' 7/16" to pull up
>>> the 800 7/16".
>>>
>>> A top side pulley that I highly recommend is the Rock Exotica
>>> Omni Block
>>> series. We have the 2" which isn't exactly rated for capstan
>>> hoist use,
>>> but we're also not hauling 1k lbs of gear. There's a 2.5 or
>>> 2.6" that is
>>> capstan rated now though.
>>>
>>> On 11/17/2015 9:39 PM, Roland Houin wrote:
>>>
>>> try mule tape.
>>> fairly cheap & light.
>>> we've put a bunch on a extension cord reel.
>>> you will need a small weight so when you drop the tape,
>>> it doesn't blow in the wind too much.
>>>
>>> roland
>>>
>>> On some towers, water towers and buildings it's a
>>> real pain to bring the rope
>>>
>>> up.
>>> I'm wondering if there's some sort of really light rope
>>> that would enable us to
>>> bring the whole thing up, drop it, and then pull up a
>>> real load rope. My main
>>> concern would be weight and size of 200+ feet of even
>>> tiny rope.
>>> Does anyone have any experience or suggestions?
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373 <
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pull line

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

we just use the orange string on a yellow handle from ace, it fits in your
pocket. we tie on a big crecent wrench whis is heavy enough to drop it in
wind. then use it to pull up the rope. takes a little longer to wind it up
as your pulling your rope up otherwise its a mess.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> The wad definitely sucks, but that problem could be solved by a spool and
> weight.
>
> Always bring up all your tools in the bucket/bag, otherwise that's going
> to be a really bad double climb.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Jay Weekley <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Makes sense.  My plan was to use it for small tools or radios in case
>> someone got to the top of a tower and needed something but I've never
>> actually implemented the idea.  And you have a big wad of string to deal
>> with.
>>
>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>>> Tried string.  There's no way to pull it up on the tower.  You have no
>>> grip on it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Jay Weekley <par...@cyberbroadband.net
>>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Try this.  It's actually rated for 210 pounds.
>>>
>>> http://www.lowes.com/pd_187202-72068-430-500_0__?productId=3414326
>>>
>>> http://images.lowes.com/product/converted/783310/783310125983lg.jpg
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>>> We use that exact same block, I think. But that doesn't really
>>>> solve my issue =P
>>>>
>>>> Jay - no link/image?
>>>>
>>>> I got this rope:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.rocknrescue.com/acatalog/Sterling-3-8-10mm-Superstatic2-300-foot-92M-Sections.html
>>>> this bag: http://shop.pmirope.com/pmi-large-rope-bag-blue-rb44017
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the suggestion Ken!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
>>>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We use the Omni Blocks as the travelling pulley for
>>>> trolleying but the best ones by far for the top side are the
>>>> Kearney  or Hubbell aluminum blocks:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.gmesupply.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=kearney+block
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message- From: George Skorup
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 10:04 PM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pull line
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We do this all the time. We have cheap-o 200' of white 3/8"
>>>> from Home
>>>> Depot or something like that. NOT nylon sheath, that shit
>>>> sucks. Fits in
>>>> a regular size climbers canvas bucket. Climber throws it
>>>> over/down, hook
>>>> up the block keeping both ends of the load rope on the
>>>> ground, he pulls
>>>> it up. You could even get something like a Petzl micro pulley
>>>> to make it
>>>> a little easier on the tower guy. If we're working above 200
>>>> feet, then
>>>> they just climb up with one end of the 400' 7/16" to pull up
>>>> the 800 7/16".
>>>>
>>>> A top side pulley that I highly recommend is the Rock Exotica
>>>> Omni Block
>>>> series. We have the 2" which isn't exactly rated for capstan
>>>> hoist use,
>>>> but we're also not hauling 1k lbs of gear. There's a 2.5 or
>>>> 2.6" that is
>>>> capstan rated now though.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/17/2015 9:39 PM, Roland Houin 

Re: [AFMUG] Pull line

[can...@believewireless.net]

We tried this method and it sucks. The rope and bag work the best. We put
rope we drop through the block and then
start pulling it to the ground. The weight of the rope helps with the pull
a little.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 12:49 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> we just use the orange string on a yellow handle from ace, it fits in your
> pocket. we tie on a big crecent wrench whis is heavy enough to drop it in
> wind. then use it to pull up the rope. takes a little longer to wind it up
> as your pulling your rope up otherwise its a mess.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pull line

[George Skorup]

I know, but we got the Omni Block on sale. :) I also like the Petzl 
Tandem for a trolley tag. Not ball bearing, but it's cheap and smooth 
enough for that purpose.


On 11/18/2015 8:22 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
We use the Omni Blocks as the travelling pulley for trolleying but the 
best ones by far for the top side are the Kearney  or Hubbell aluminum 
blocks:


http://www.gmesupply.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=kearney+block



-Original Message- From: George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 10:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pull line

We do this all the time. We have cheap-o 200' of white 3/8" from Home
Depot or something like that. NOT nylon sheath, that shit sucks. Fits in
a regular size climbers canvas bucket. Climber throws it over/down, hook
up the block keeping both ends of the load rope on the ground, he pulls
it up. You could even get something like a Petzl micro pulley to make it
a little easier on the tower guy. If we're working above 200 feet, then
they just climb up with one end of the 400' 7/16" to pull up the 800 
7/16".


A top side pulley that I highly recommend is the Rock Exotica Omni Block
series. We have the 2" which isn't exactly rated for capstan hoist use,
but we're also not hauling 1k lbs of gear. There's a 2.5 or 2.6" that is
capstan rated now though.

On 11/17/2015 9:39 PM, Roland Houin wrote:

try mule tape.
fairly cheap & light.
we've put a bunch on a extension cord reel.
you will need a small weight so when you drop the tape, it doesn't 
blow in the wind too much.


roland

On some towers, water towers and buildings it's a real pain to bring 
the rope

up.
I'm wondering if there's some sort of really light rope that would 
enable us to
bring the whole thing up, drop it, and then pull up a real load rope. 
My main

concern would be weight and size of 200+ feet of even tiny rope.
Does anyone have any experience or suggestions?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373 <

Re: [AFMUG] Pull line

[can...@believewireless.net]

+1 This is the same method we use and it works very well.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:57 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> How much weight is too much?
>
> I have 200 feet of Sterling 3/8 inch diameter Superstatic2 in a small PMI
> rope bag.  According to specs the rope weighs 8.4 lbs and the bag weighs 9
> oz, so the total is 9 lbs.  The bag has a carrying handle, and at the top
> you just tie off the rope and toss the bag, which falls to the ground
> paying out rope behind it.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pull line

[Roland Houin]

try mule tape.
fairly cheap & light.
we've put a bunch on a extension cord reel.
you will need a small weight so when you drop the tape, it doesn't blow in the 
wind too much.

roland

> On some towers, water towers and buildings it's a real pain to bring the rope
up.
I'm wondering if there's some sort of really light rope that would enable us to
bring the whole thing up, drop it, and then pull up a real load rope. My main
concern would be weight and size of 200+ feet of even tiny rope.
Does anyone have any experience or suggestions?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373 <

Re: [AFMUG] Pull line

[Bill Prince]

+1.

Mule tape used to be pretty expensive. But these days you can get a reel 
of 500' or even longer very cheaply. And even the "light" versions of it 
can pull ~~ 2500 lbs.


bp


On 11/17/2015 7:39 PM, Roland Houin wrote:

try mule tape.
fairly cheap & light.
we've put a bunch on a extension cord reel.
you will need a small weight so when you drop the tape, it doesn't blow in the 
wind too much.

roland


On some towers, water towers and buildings it's a real pain to bring the rope

up.
I'm wondering if there's some sort of really light rope that would enable us to
bring the whole thing up, drop it, and then pull up a real load rope. My main
concern would be weight and size of 200+ feet of even tiny rope.
Does anyone have any experience or suggestions?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373 <

Re: [AFMUG] Pull line

[Jay Weekley]

How about this?  The last time I read the label I think it said it had a 
250 pound test.


Josh Luthman wrote:


On some towers, water towers and buildings it's a real pain to bring 
the rope up.


I'm wondering if there's some sort of really light rope that would 
enable us to bring the whole thing up, drop it, and then pull up a 
real load rope.  My main concern would be weight and size of 200+ feet 
of even tiny rope.


Does anyone have any experience or suggestions?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Pull line

[Jaime Solorza]

Rock climbing ropes...light strong and you can carry them easily.   I use
them to pull up the heavier work ropes...
On Nov 17, 2015 8:39 PM, "Roland Houin"  wrote:

> try mule tape.
> fairly cheap & light.
> we've put a bunch on a extension cord reel.
> you will need a small weight so when you drop the tape, it doesn't blow in
> the wind too much.
>
> roland
>
> > On some towers, water towers and buildings it's a real pain to bring the
> rope
> up.
> I'm wondering if there's some sort of really light rope that would enable
> us to
> bring the whole thing up, drop it, and then pull up a real load rope. My
> main
> concern would be weight and size of 200+ feet of even tiny rope.
> Does anyone have any experience or suggestions?
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373 <
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pull line

[Ken Hohhof]

How much weight is too much?

I have 200 feet of Sterling 3/8 inch diameter Superstatic2 in a small PMI rope 
bag.  According to specs the rope weighs 8.4 lbs and the bag weighs 9 oz, so 
the total is 9 lbs.  The bag has a carrying handle, and at the top you just tie 
off the rope and toss the bag, which falls to the ground paying out rope behind 
it.


From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 9:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Pull line

On some towers, water towers and buildings it's a real pain to bring the rope 
up.

I'm wondering if there's some sort of really light rope that would enable us to 
bring the whole thing up, drop it, and then pull up a real load rope.  My main 
concern would be weight and size of 200+ feet of even tiny rope.

Does anyone have any experience or suggestions?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

[AFMUG] Pull line

[Josh Luthman]

On some towers, water towers and buildings it's a real pain to bring the
rope up.

I'm wondering if there's some sort of really light rope that would enable
us to bring the whole thing up, drop it, and then pull up a real load
rope.  My main concern would be weight and size of 200+ feet of even tiny
rope.

Does anyone have any experience or suggestions?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Pull line

[George Skorup]

We do this all the time. We have cheap-o 200' of white 3/8" from Home 
Depot or something like that. NOT nylon sheath, that shit sucks. Fits in 
a regular size climbers canvas bucket. Climber throws it over/down, hook 
up the block keeping both ends of the load rope on the ground, he pulls 
it up. You could even get something like a Petzl micro pulley to make it 
a little easier on the tower guy. If we're working above 200 feet, then 
they just climb up with one end of the 400' 7/16" to pull up the 800 7/16".


A top side pulley that I highly recommend is the Rock Exotica Omni Block 
series. We have the 2" which isn't exactly rated for capstan hoist use, 
but we're also not hauling 1k lbs of gear. There's a 2.5 or 2.6" that is 
capstan rated now though.


On 11/17/2015 9:39 PM, Roland Houin wrote:

try mule tape.
fairly cheap & light.
we've put a bunch on a extension cord reel.
you will need a small weight so when you drop the tape, it doesn't blow in the 
wind too much.

roland


On some towers, water towers and buildings it's a real pain to bring the rope

up.
I'm wondering if there's some sort of really light rope that would enable us to
bring the whole thing up, drop it, and then pull up a real load rope. My main
concern would be weight and size of 200+ feet of even tiny rope.
Does anyone have any experience or suggestions?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373 <