[AFMUG] EPMP Force 200, Buy only the Radio

[Nate Burke]

We're getting enough F200 radios in the air now that we are starting to 
have some failures, mostly storm related.  We just change the radio 
unit, since alignment is all done.  So I'm ending up with all these F200 
dish parts sitting on the shelf that have no use.  Is anyone selling 
just the F200 radio unit?

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 200

[George Skorup]

All of the Force200's we have used came with 2.6-RC13 I believe. We just 
got some more in the other day so now I'm wondering what's on them.


On 7/8/2016 5:59 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah, it's strange because the Force 200's all just came with 2.6.1 
(or maybe even older... I'm not sure)... it makes me wonder if there 
was a hardware change that required new firmware.


The ePMP 2000's that we just got came with RC firmware, but that I 
don't have a problem with since it's a new product and they obviously 
wanted to get them out there as quick as they could... and they 
require 3.0, which hasn't been released yet.


On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:


Seems like a questionable practice shipping product with beta
firmware, unless the product itself is still in beta.
For that matter, the whole “release candidate” designation is
confusing.  Is that like “presumptive nominee”?  It’s either
released, or it’s beta.
*From:* Mathew Howard <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Friday, July 08, 2016 10:25 AM
*To:* af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 200
Same here, we always update to the current stable firmware and
load a template on every radio before it leaves the office. It's
odd they're shipping these with an RC though... one of our guys
asked me yesterday if he needed to update one to 2.6.2 since it
was already 2.6.2RC.
On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:01 AM, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
wrote:

It's always been standard for us to update and template the
radio in the cool office before heading outside.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Vince West
<vi...@shelbybb.com <mailto:vi...@shelbybb.com>> wrote:

Thanks for the heads up on that. I am working on
scheduling some upgrades to take place on Sunday evening.
All of our current gear is 2.6.2.
Have you loaded 3.0-RC27 on any of them yet?

Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232 
On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Andy Trimmell
<atrimm...@precisionds.com
<mailto:atrimm...@precisionds.com>> wrote:

I just got a new shipment of Force 200 5ghz in
yesterday and configured them and sent them out on
2.62RC from the factory. Don’t let them leave the shop
with that firmware. It’s missing about 40 freqs in the
DFS ranges. Tech spent an hour service call figuring
it out after hours.

Just upgrade the firmware to 2.62 even though it’s a
2.62RC from the factory. Just fyi to anyone trusting
Cambium before the truck rolls. If this has already
been said I apologize I missed it somewhere.

Andy Trimmell

/Systems Engineer/

*PDS Connect*

317-831-3000 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 200

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, it's strange because the Force 200's all just came with 2.6.1 (or
maybe even older... I'm not sure)... it makes me wonder if there was a
hardware change that required new firmware.

The ePMP 2000's that we just got came with RC firmware, but that I don't
have a problem with since it's a new product and they obviously wanted to
get them out there as quick as they could... and they require 3.0, which
hasn't been released yet.

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> Seems like a questionable practice shipping product with beta firmware,
> unless the product itself is still in beta.
>
> For that matter, the whole “release candidate” designation is confusing.
> Is that like “presumptive nominee”?  It’s either released, or it’s beta.
>
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, July 08, 2016 10:25 AM
> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 200
>
> Same here, we always update to the current stable firmware and load a
> template on every radio before it leaves the office. It's odd they're
> shipping these with an RC though... one of our guys asked me yesterday if
> he needed to update one to 2.6.2 since it was already 2.6.2RC.
>
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:01 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> > wrote:
>
>> It's always been standard for us to update and template the radio in the
>> cool office before heading outside.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Vince West <vi...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the heads up on that. I am working on scheduling some
>>> upgrades to take place on Sunday evening. All of our current gear is 2.6.2.
>>>
>>> Have you loaded 3.0-RC27 on any of them yet?
>>>
>>> Vince West
>>> Tower Hand
>>> Technical Support
>>> Shelby Broadband
>>> 148 Citizens Blvd
>>> Simpsonville, KY 40067
>>> Phone: 1-888-364-4232
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Andy Trimmell <atrimm...@precisionds.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just got a new shipment of Force 200 5ghz in yesterday and configured
>>>> them and sent them out on 2.62RC from the factory. Don’t let them leave the
>>>> shop with that firmware. It’s missing about 40 freqs in the DFS ranges.
>>>> Tech spent an hour service call figuring it out after hours.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just upgrade the firmware to 2.62 even though it’s a 2.62RC from the
>>>> factory. Just fyi to anyone trusting Cambium before the truck rolls. If
>>>> this has already been said I apologize I missed it somewhere.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Andy Trimmell
>>>>
>>>> *Systems Engineer*
>>>>
>>>> *PDS Connect*
>>>>
>>>> 317-831-3000
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 200

[timothy steele]

If they make a dish that looks like a UBNT radio why would they not ship
with Beta firmware like UBNT? Seems Normal to me..

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016, 11:56 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> Seems like a questionable practice shipping product with beta firmware,
> unless the product itself is still in beta.
>
> For that matter, the whole “release candidate” designation is confusing.
> Is that like “presumptive nominee”?  It’s either released, or it’s beta.
>
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, July 08, 2016 10:25 AM
> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 200
>
> Same here, we always update to the current stable firmware and load a
> template on every radio before it leaves the office. It's odd they're
> shipping these with an RC though... one of our guys asked me yesterday if
> he needed to update one to 2.6.2 since it was already 2.6.2RC.
>
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:01 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> > wrote:
>
>> It's always been standard for us to update and template the radio in the
>> cool office before heading outside.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Vince West <vi...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the heads up on that. I am working on scheduling some
>>> upgrades to take place on Sunday evening. All of our current gear is 2.6.2.
>>>
>>> Have you loaded 3.0-RC27 on any of them yet?
>>>
>>> Vince West
>>> Tower Hand
>>> Technical Support
>>> Shelby Broadband
>>> 148 Citizens Blvd
>>> Simpsonville, KY 40067
>>> Phone: 1-888-364-4232
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Andy Trimmell <atrimm...@precisionds.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just got a new shipment of Force 200 5ghz in yesterday and configured
>>>> them and sent them out on 2.62RC from the factory. Don’t let them leave the
>>>> shop with that firmware. It’s missing about 40 freqs in the DFS ranges.
>>>> Tech spent an hour service call figuring it out after hours.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just upgrade the firmware to 2.62 even though it’s a 2.62RC from the
>>>> factory. Just fyi to anyone trusting Cambium before the truck rolls. If
>>>> this has already been said I apologize I missed it somewhere.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Andy Trimmell
>>>>
>>>> *Systems Engineer*
>>>>
>>>> *PDS Connect*
>>>>
>>>> 317-831-3000
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 200

[Ken Hohhof]

Seems like a questionable practice shipping product with beta firmware, unless 
the product itself is still in beta.

For that matter, the whole “release candidate” designation is confusing.  Is 
that like “presumptive nominee”?  It’s either released, or it’s beta.


From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 10:25 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 200

Same here, we always update to the current stable firmware and load a template 
on every radio before it leaves the office. It's odd they're shipping these 
with an RC though... one of our guys asked me yesterday if he needed to update 
one to 2.6.2 since it was already 2.6.2RC.


On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:01 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
wrote:

  It's always been standard for us to update and template the radio in the cool 
office before heading outside.



  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Vince West <vi...@shelbybb.com> wrote:

Thanks for the heads up on that. I am working on scheduling some upgrades 
to take place on Sunday evening. All of our current gear is 2.6.2. 

Have you loaded 3.0-RC27 on any of them yet?


Vince West 
Tower Hand

Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Andy Trimmell <atrimm...@precisionds.com> 
wrote:

  I just got a new shipment of Force 200 5ghz in yesterday and configured 
them and sent them out on 2.62RC from the factory. Don’t let them leave the 
shop with that firmware. It’s missing about 40 freqs in the DFS ranges. Tech 
spent an hour service call figuring it out after hours. 



  Just upgrade the firmware to 2.62 even though it’s a 2.62RC from the 
factory. Just fyi to anyone trusting Cambium before the truck rolls. If this 
has already been said I apologize I missed it somewhere.



  Andy Trimmell

  Systems Engineer

  PDS Connect

  317-831-3000

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 200

[Mathew Howard]

Same here, we always update to the current stable firmware and load a
template on every radio before it leaves the office. It's odd they're
shipping these with an RC though... one of our guys asked me yesterday if
he needed to update one to 2.6.2 since it was already 2.6.2RC.

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:01 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> It's always been standard for us to update and template the radio in the
> cool office before heading outside.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Vince West  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the heads up on that. I am working on scheduling some upgrades
>> to take place on Sunday evening. All of our current gear is 2.6.2.
>>
>> Have you loaded 3.0-RC27 on any of them yet?
>>
>> Vince West
>> Tower Hand
>> Technical Support
>> Shelby Broadband
>> 148 Citizens Blvd
>> Simpsonville, KY 40067
>> Phone: 1-888-364-4232
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Andy Trimmell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just got a new shipment of Force 200 5ghz in yesterday and configured
>>> them and sent them out on 2.62RC from the factory. Don’t let them leave the
>>> shop with that firmware. It’s missing about 40 freqs in the DFS ranges.
>>> Tech spent an hour service call figuring it out after hours.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just upgrade the firmware to 2.62 even though it’s a 2.62RC from the
>>> factory. Just fyi to anyone trusting Cambium before the truck rolls. If
>>> this has already been said I apologize I missed it somewhere.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Andy Trimmell
>>>
>>> *Systems Engineer*
>>>
>>> *PDS Connect*
>>>
>>> 317-831-3000
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 200

[Josh Luthman]

It's always been standard for us to update and template the radio in the
cool office before heading outside.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Vince West  wrote:

> Thanks for the heads up on that. I am working on scheduling some upgrades
> to take place on Sunday evening. All of our current gear is 2.6.2.
>
> Have you loaded 3.0-RC27 on any of them yet?
>
> Vince West
> Tower Hand
> Technical Support
> Shelby Broadband
> 148 Citizens Blvd
> Simpsonville, KY 40067
> Phone: 1-888-364-4232
>
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Andy Trimmell 
> wrote:
>
>> I just got a new shipment of Force 200 5ghz in yesterday and configured
>> them and sent them out on 2.62RC from the factory. Don’t let them leave the
>> shop with that firmware. It’s missing about 40 freqs in the DFS ranges.
>> Tech spent an hour service call figuring it out after hours.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just upgrade the firmware to 2.62 even though it’s a 2.62RC from the
>> factory. Just fyi to anyone trusting Cambium before the truck rolls. If
>> this has already been said I apologize I missed it somewhere.
>>
>>
>>
>> Andy Trimmell
>>
>> *Systems Engineer*
>>
>> *PDS Connect*
>>
>> 317-831-3000
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 200

[Vince West]

Thanks for the heads up on that. I am working on scheduling some upgrades
to take place on Sunday evening. All of our current gear is 2.6.2.

Have you loaded 3.0-RC27 on any of them yet?

Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Andy Trimmell 
wrote:

> I just got a new shipment of Force 200 5ghz in yesterday and configured
> them and sent them out on 2.62RC from the factory. Don’t let them leave the
> shop with that firmware. It’s missing about 40 freqs in the DFS ranges.
> Tech spent an hour service call figuring it out after hours.
>
>
>
> Just upgrade the firmware to 2.62 even though it’s a 2.62RC from the
> factory. Just fyi to anyone trusting Cambium before the truck rolls. If
> this has already been said I apologize I missed it somewhere.
>
>
>
> Andy Trimmell
>
> *Systems Engineer*
>
> *PDS Connect*
>
> 317-831-3000
>
>
>

[AFMUG] ePMP Force 200

[Andy Trimmell]

I just got a new shipment of Force 200 5ghz in yesterday and configured
them and sent them out on 2.62RC from the factory. Don't let them leave
the shop with that firmware. It's missing about 40 freqs in the DFS
ranges. Tech spent an hour service call figuring it out after hours. 

 

Just upgrade the firmware to 2.62 even though it's a 2.62RC from the
factory. Just fyi to anyone trusting Cambium before the truck rolls. If
this has already been said I apologize I missed it somewhere.

 

Andy Trimmell

Systems Engineer

PDS Connect

317-831-3000

 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP bug?

[Josh Luthman]

Yep

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 28, 2016 1:22 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

> Did they have new stickers over the originals (like if the part number had
> been changed)?
>
> We got some that were apparently originally the non-US version and that
> were re-programmed to be Force 110 PTP's, and at least one of them did
> that. Some others stayed unlocked, but I was careful to use them where they
> aren't likely to go over 10 SM's, just in case they decide to lock
> themselves someday.
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a couple of units that I hand wrote as Force 110 PTP.  This is the
>> same thing as the 5 GHz AP lite.
>>
>> I log into them with 2.3.4 and they say they can do 60 registrations.  I
>> change it to 120 and it accepts that.  I update to 2.6.1 and then I'm
>> limited to 10 registrations.
>>
>> Update before you deploy...
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP bug?

[Mathew Howard]

Did they have new stickers over the originals (like if the part number had
been changed)?

We got some that were apparently originally the non-US version and that
were re-programmed to be Force 110 PTP's, and at least one of them did
that. Some others stayed unlocked, but I was careful to use them where they
aren't likely to go over 10 SM's, just in case they decide to lock
themselves someday.

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I have a couple of units that I hand wrote as Force 110 PTP.  This is the
> same thing as the 5 GHz AP lite.
>
> I log into them with 2.3.4 and they say they can do 60 registrations.  I
> change it to 120 and it accepts that.  I update to 2.6.1 and then I'm
> limited to 10 registrations.
>
> Update before you deploy...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

[Mike Hammett]

Mikrotik can get 200+ out of 40 MHz. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:19:29 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync 




Really, 220 Mbps in a 40 MHz channel? That’s a bunch for something based on an 
802.11n PHY. 

I think the regular Force 110 spec sheet says 150M, does the GPS sync version 
really say 220M? I’m not disputing it, just surprised/amazed. 





From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:15 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync 


220 would be perfect. I've had nothing but great RF performance. Did you see my 
story about going from Beams to force110? 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide  j...@velociter.net  wrote: 





Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are getting 
with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that they claim? 

Josh Heide 
Network Engineer 
Velociter Wireless, Inc. 
(209)838-1221 x108 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

[Josh Luthman]

220 would be perfect.  I've had nothing but great RF performance.  Did you
see my story about going from Beams to force110?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net wrote:

 Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are
 getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that
 they claim?



 Josh Heide

 Network Engineer

 Velociter Wireless, Inc.

 (209)838-1221 x108

[AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

[Joshua Heide]

Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are getting 
with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that they claim?

Josh Heide
Network Engineer
Velociter Wireless, Inc.
(209)838-1221 x108

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

[joseph marsh]

We love epmp here we may start doing away with ubnt

We have 20/20 fiber  at one site. And we get full throughput with no issues
On Jul 21, 2015 12:52 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net wrote:

 Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are
 getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that
 they claim?



 Josh Heide

 Network Engineer

 Velociter Wireless, Inc.

 (209)838-1221 x108

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

[Ken Hohhof]

Really, 220 Mbps in a 40 MHz channel?  That’s a bunch for something based on an 
802.11n PHY.

I think the regular Force 110 spec sheet says 150M, does the GPS sync version 
really say 220M?  I’m not disputing it, just surprised/amazed.


From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

220 would be perfect.  I've had nothing but great RF performance.  Did you see 
my story about going from Beams to force110?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net wrote:

  Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are 
getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that they 
claim?



  Josh Heide

  Network Engineer 

  Velociter Wireless, Inc. 

  (209)838-1221 x108

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

[Joshua Heide]

No I did not do you got a link

Josh Heide
Network Engineer
Velociter Wireless, Inc.
(209)838-1221 x108

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 11:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync


220 would be perfect.  I've had nothing but great RF performance.  Did you see 
my story about going from Beams to force110?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide 
j...@velociter.netmailto:j...@velociter.net wrote:
Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are getting 
with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that they claim?

Josh Heide
Network Engineer
Velociter Wireless, Inc.
(209)838-1221 x108tel:%28209%29838-1221%20x108

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

[Josh Luthman]

I figured if you hadn't read it you'd never find it so you're more than
welcome =)

I still can't get my head wrapped around how ePMP outperforms Ubnt when
they're both Atheros chipsets, but I suppose other people had the same
thing when it came to 10baseT and 100baseT still using the same cat5e!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net wrote:

 Thanks for the link :D



 Josh Heide

 Network Engineer

 Velociter Wireless, Inc.

 (209)838-1221 x108



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 11:58 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync




 http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-1000/Force110-ptp-success-story/m-p/38263



 If you have experience with NanoBeams and are looking to improve the link,
 absolutely read this story.  The antennas are definitely a bit better but
 the radios are probably always going to be at least somewhat subjective -
 my experience on this link should help you decide on that.



 Note:  The force110 ptp radios/GPS stuff isn't really relevant to the link
 itself.  The sync only fixes self-interference.  You could just as easily
 use the $100 force110 radios with the same results.  I used ptp radios
 there for the extra metal shielding which is probably irrelevant, but I
 didn't want to climb again in the middle of the winter to save pennies.



 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net wrote:

 No I did not do you got a link



 Josh Heide

 Network Engineer

 Velociter Wireless, Inc.

 (209)838-1221 x108



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 11:15 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync



 220 would be perfect.  I've had nothing but great RF performance.  Did you
 see my story about going from Beams to force110?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net wrote:

 Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are
 getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that
 they claim?



 Josh Heide

 Network Engineer

 Velociter Wireless, Inc.

 (209)838-1221 x108

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

[Joshua Heide]

Thanks for the link :D

Josh Heide
Network Engineer
Velociter Wireless, Inc.
(209)838-1221 x108

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-1000/Force110-ptp-success-story/m-p/38263

If you have experience with NanoBeams and are looking to improve the link, 
absolutely read this story.  The antennas are definitely a bit better but the 
radios are probably always going to be at least somewhat subjective - my 
experience on this link should help you decide on that.

Note:  The force110 ptp radios/GPS stuff isn't really relevant to the link 
itself.  The sync only fixes self-interference.  You could just as easily use 
the $100 force110 radios with the same results.  I used ptp radios there for 
the extra metal shielding which is probably irrelevant, but I didn't want to 
climb again in the middle of the winter to save pennies.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Joshua Heide 
j...@velociter.netmailto:j...@velociter.net wrote:
No I did not do you got a link

Josh Heide
Network Engineer
Velociter Wireless, Inc.
(209)838-1221 x108tel:%28209%29838-1221%20x108

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 11:15 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync


220 would be perfect.  I've had nothing but great RF performance.  Did you see 
my story about going from Beams to force110?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide 
j...@velociter.netmailto:j...@velociter.net wrote:
Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are getting 
with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that they claim?

Josh Heide
Network Engineer
Velociter Wireless, Inc.
(209)838-1221 x108tel:%28209%29838-1221%20x108

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

[Josh Luthman]

ePMP doesn't do 10 MHz channels unless it's TDD, just a heads up.  I think
they are planning to do 10 Mhz wifi mode so you can replace devices on live
links, but that's not coming for some time and doesn't mean that it will or
will not play nice with Ubnt/MT.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net
wrote:

  I’ve got links at 2.7 miles doing that with 40MHz channels and that’s
 with 50/50 rates with the B5’s and running 2 radios on the same pole, in
 and out.  If I change it to 75/25, it’s even faster.  This link is shooting
 to a rooftop with about 11 other Ubiquiti radios, sectors and PTP’s.  I
 didn’t check the planetary positions.  I’ve got some Cambiums I’ll also be
 testing today to find a lower cost backhaul that supports DFS and 10MHz
 channels.



 Rory



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 11:31 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync



 The answer you are looking for is 802.11ac?



 Anyway, I guess I’m mistaken and 220M may be the right number for 256QAM
 in 40 MHz.  Assuming the planets align and every sub is at max modulation
 with no retries.



 *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com

 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:23 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync



 And Mimosa is...

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Jul 21, 2015 2:19 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   Really, 220 Mbps in a 40 MHz channel?  That’s a bunch for something
 based on an 802.11n PHY.



 I think the regular Force 110 spec sheet says 150M, does the GPS sync
 version really say 220M?  I’m not disputing it, just surprised/amazed.





 *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com

 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:15 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync



 220 would be perfect.  I've had nothing but great RF performance.  Did you
 see my story about going from Beams to force110?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net wrote:

  Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are
 getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that
 they claim?



 Josh Heide

 Network Engineer

 Velociter Wireless, Inc.

 (209)838-1221 x108

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

[Josh Luthman]

And Mimosa is...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jul 21, 2015 2:19 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   Really, 220 Mbps in a 40 MHz channel?  That’s a bunch for something
 based on an 802.11n PHY.

 I think the regular Force 110 spec sheet says 150M, does the GPS sync
 version really say 220M?  I’m not disputing it, just surprised/amazed.


  *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:15 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync


 220 would be perfect.  I've had nothing but great RF performance.  Did you
 see my story about going from Beams to force110?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net wrote:

  Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are
 getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that
 they claim?



 Josh Heide

 Network Engineer

 Velociter Wireless, Inc.

 (209)838-1221 x108

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

[Joshua Heide]

Yup http://www.epmpwireless.com/pdf/Force_110_PTP.pdf

Josh Heide
Network Engineer
Velociter Wireless, Inc.
(209)838-1221 x108

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 11:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

Really, 220 Mbps in a 40 MHz channel?  That’s a bunch for something based on an 
802.11n PHY.

I think the regular Force 110 spec sheet says 150M, does the GPS sync version 
really say 220M?  I’m not disputing it, just surprised/amazed.


From: Josh Luthmanmailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:15 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync


220 would be perfect.  I've had nothing but great RF performance.  Did you see 
my story about going from Beams to force110?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide 
j...@velociter.netmailto:j...@velociter.net wrote:
Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are getting 
with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that they claim?

Josh Heide
Network Engineer
Velociter Wireless, Inc.
(209)838-1221 x108tel:%28209%29838-1221%20x108

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

[Rory Conaway]

I’ve got links at 2.7 miles doing that with 40MHz channels and that’s with 
50/50 rates with the B5’s and running 2 radios on the same pole, in and out.  
If I change it to 75/25, it’s even faster.  This link is shooting to a rooftop 
with about 11 other Ubiquiti radios, sectors and PTP’s.  I didn’t check the 
planetary positions.  I’ve got some Cambiums I’ll also be testing today to find 
a lower cost backhaul that supports DFS and 10MHz channels.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 11:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

The answer you are looking for is 802.11ac?

Anyway, I guess I’m mistaken and 220M may be the right number for 256QAM in 40 
MHz.  Assuming the planets align and every sub is at max modulation with no 
retries.

From: Josh Luthmanmailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:23 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync


And Mimosa is...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jul 21, 2015 2:19 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com 
wrote:
Really, 220 Mbps in a 40 MHz channel?  That’s a bunch for something based on an 
802.11n PHY.

I think the regular Force 110 spec sheet says 150M, does the GPS sync version 
really say 220M?  I’m not disputing it, just surprised/amazed.


From: Josh Luthmanmailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:15 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync


220 would be perfect.  I've had nothing but great RF performance.  Did you see 
my story about going from Beams to force110?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide 
j...@velociter.netmailto:j...@velociter.net wrote:
Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are getting 
with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that they claim?

Josh Heide
Network Engineer
Velociter Wireless, Inc.
(209)838-1221 x108tel:%28209%29838-1221%20x108

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

[Josh Luthman]

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-1000/Force110-ptp-success-story/m-p/38263

If you have experience with NanoBeams and are looking to improve the link,
absolutely read this story.  The antennas are definitely a bit better but
the radios are probably always going to be at least somewhat subjective -
my experience on this link should help you decide on that.

Note:  The force110 ptp radios/GPS stuff isn't really relevant to the link
itself.  The sync only fixes self-interference.  You could just as easily
use the $100 force110 radios with the same results.  I used ptp radios
there for the extra metal shielding which is probably irrelevant, but I
didn't want to climb again in the middle of the winter to save pennies.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net wrote:

 No I did not do you got a link



 Josh Heide

 Network Engineer

 Velociter Wireless, Inc.

 (209)838-1221 x108



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 11:15 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync



 220 would be perfect.  I've had nothing but great RF performance.  Did you
 see my story about going from Beams to force110?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net wrote:

 Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are
 getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that
 they claim?



 Josh Heide

 Network Engineer

 Velociter Wireless, Inc.

 (209)838-1221 x108

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

[George Skorup]

ePMP is 64QAM. 256 would be nice, but there's always the PTP450 for 
that, which of course is limited to 20MHz though. I have a 10 mile ePMP 
link on 2' dishes running in the 5.1 band. 20MHz channel. I get 98Mbps 
aggregate. I see no reason why a 40MHz channel couldn't do 200Mbps, 
maybe a little more.


On 7/21/2015 1:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

The answer you are looking for is 802.11ac?
Anyway, I guess I’m mistaken and 220M may be the right number for 
256QAM in 40 MHz.  Assuming the planets align and every sub is at max 
modulation with no retries.

*From:* Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:23 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

And Mimosa is...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jul 21, 2015 2:19 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:


Really, 220 Mbps in a 40 MHz channel?  That’s a bunch for
something based on an 802.11n PHY.
I think the regular Force 110 spec sheet says 150M, does the GPS
sync version really say 220M?  I’m not disputing it, just
surprised/amazed.
*From:* Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:15 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

220 would be perfect.  I've had nothing but great RF performance. 
Did you see my story about going from Beams to force110?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net
mailto:j...@velociter.net wrote:

Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput
people are getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps
real world throughput that they claim?

Josh Heide

Network Engineer

Velociter Wireless, Inc.

(209)838-1221 x108 tel:%28209%29838-1221%20x108

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

[Mathew Howard]

The best I've seen them do on a real link is around 110Mbps one direction
testing between two Mikrotik routers... 220 aggregate may very well be
possible in perfect conditions.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   Really, 220 Mbps in a 40 MHz channel?  That’s a bunch for something
 based on an 802.11n PHY.

 I think the regular Force 110 spec sheet says 150M, does the GPS sync
 version really say 220M?  I’m not disputing it, just surprised/amazed.


  *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:15 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync


 220 would be perfect.  I've had nothing but great RF performance.  Did you
 see my story about going from Beams to force110?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net wrote:

  Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are
 getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that
 they claim?



 Josh Heide

 Network Engineer

 Velociter Wireless, Inc.

 (209)838-1221 x108

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

[Ken Hohhof]

OK, ignore me, I seem to be having a bad math day.
Also trying to grasp the concept of actually using a 40 MHz channel.
But I was also remembering an ePMP data sheet with a 150 Mbps number.
Probably because there are so many ePMP variants.
I assume the lesser model is limited by CPU, not RF?

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

ePMP is 64QAM. 256 would be nice, but there's always the PTP450 for that, which 
of course is limited to 20MHz though. I have a 10 mile ePMP link on 2' dishes 
running in the 5.1 band. 20MHz channel. I get 98Mbps aggregate. I see no reason 
why a 40MHz channel couldn't do 200Mbps, maybe a little more.


On 7/21/2015 1:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  The answer you are looking for is 802.11ac?

  Anyway, I guess I’m mistaken and 220M may be the right number for 256QAM in 
40 MHz.  Assuming the planets align and every sub is at max modulation with no 
retries.

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:23 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

  And Mimosa is...

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Jul 21, 2015 2:19 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

Really, 220 Mbps in a 40 MHz channel?  That’s a bunch for something based 
on an 802.11n PHY.

I think the regular Force 110 spec sheet says 150M, does the GPS sync 
version really say 220M?  I’m not disputing it, just surprised/amazed.


From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

220 would be perfect.  I've had nothing but great RF performance.  Did you 
see my story about going from Beams to force110?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net wrote:

  Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are 
getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that they 
claim?



  Josh Heide

  Network Engineer 

  Velociter Wireless, Inc. 

  (209)838-1221 x108

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

[Mathew Howard]

I thought that I had been told both ePMP radios had the same CPU, but
somebody said that the GPS radios are supposed to be able to handle more
PPS, so I'm not sure... I'm pretty sure they do have more RAM, so that may
make the difference.

But there are really only two variants - GPS and non-GPS. The PTP 110 is
exactly the same hardware as the other GPS radio, it's just limited to 10
SMs.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   OK, ignore me, I seem to be having a bad math day.
 Also trying to grasp the concept of actually using a 40 MHz channel.
 But I was also remembering an ePMP data sheet with a 150 Mbps number.
 Probably because there are so many ePMP variants.
 I assume the lesser model is limited by CPU, not RF?

  *From:* George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:02 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

 ePMP is 64QAM. 256 would be nice, but there's always the PTP450 for that,
 which of course is limited to 20MHz though. I have a 10 mile ePMP link on
 2' dishes running in the 5.1 band. 20MHz channel. I get 98Mbps aggregate. I
 see no reason why a 40MHz channel couldn't do 200Mbps, maybe a little more.

 On 7/21/2015 1:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  The answer you are looking for is 802.11ac?

 Anyway, I guess I’m mistaken and 220M may be the right number for 256QAM
 in 40 MHz.  Assuming the planets align and every sub is at max modulation
 with no retries.

  *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:23 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync


 And Mimosa is...

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jul 21, 2015 2:19 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   Really, 220 Mbps in a 40 MHz channel?  That’s a bunch for something
 based on an 802.11n PHY.

 I think the regular Force 110 spec sheet says 150M, does the GPS sync
 version really say 220M?  I’m not disputing it, just surprised/amazed.


  *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:15 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync


 220 would be perfect.  I've had nothing but great RF performance.  Did
 you see my story about going from Beams to force110?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide  j...@velociter.net
 j...@velociter.net wrote:

  Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are
 getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that
 they claim?



 Josh Heide

 Network Engineer

 Velociter Wireless, Inc.

 (209)838-1221 x108

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

[Josh Luthman]

Software limited to 10 SMs.  You can (eventually, I don't think currently)
get the software limit up with a key.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:

 I thought that I had been told both ePMP radios had the same CPU, but
 somebody said that the GPS radios are supposed to be able to handle more
 PPS, so I'm not sure... I'm pretty sure they do have more RAM, so that may
 make the difference.

 But there are really only two variants - GPS and non-GPS. The PTP 110 is
 exactly the same hardware as the other GPS radio, it's just limited to 10
 SMs.

 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   OK, ignore me, I seem to be having a bad math day.
 Also trying to grasp the concept of actually using a 40 MHz channel.
 But I was also remembering an ePMP data sheet with a 150 Mbps number.
 Probably because there are so many ePMP variants.
 I assume the lesser model is limited by CPU, not RF?

  *From:* George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:02 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

 ePMP is 64QAM. 256 would be nice, but there's always the PTP450 for that,
 which of course is limited to 20MHz though. I have a 10 mile ePMP link on
 2' dishes running in the 5.1 band. 20MHz channel. I get 98Mbps aggregate. I
 see no reason why a 40MHz channel couldn't do 200Mbps, maybe a little more.

 On 7/21/2015 1:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  The answer you are looking for is 802.11ac?

 Anyway, I guess I’m mistaken and 220M may be the right number for 256QAM
 in 40 MHz.  Assuming the planets align and every sub is at max modulation
 with no retries.

  *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:23 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync


 And Mimosa is...

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jul 21, 2015 2:19 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   Really, 220 Mbps in a 40 MHz channel?  That’s a bunch for something
 based on an 802.11n PHY.

 I think the regular Force 110 spec sheet says 150M, does the GPS sync
 version really say 220M?  I’m not disputing it, just surprised/amazed.


  *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:15 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync


 220 would be perfect.  I've had nothing but great RF performance.  Did
 you see my story about going from Beams to force110?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide  j...@velociter.net
 j...@velociter.net wrote:

  Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people
 are getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput
 that they claim?



 Josh Heide

 Network Engineer

 Velociter Wireless, Inc.

 (209)838-1221 x108

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

[Mathew Howard]

Have they confirmed that you will be able to get a key? I assumed they
would eventually, but I hadn't heard anything about it... that would be
very good news.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

 Software limited to 10 SMs.  You can (eventually, I don't think currently)
 get the software limit up with a key.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I thought that I had been told both ePMP radios had the same CPU, but
 somebody said that the GPS radios are supposed to be able to handle more
 PPS, so I'm not sure... I'm pretty sure they do have more RAM, so that may
 make the difference.

 But there are really only two variants - GPS and non-GPS. The PTP 110 is
 exactly the same hardware as the other GPS radio, it's just limited to 10
 SMs.

 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   OK, ignore me, I seem to be having a bad math day.
 Also trying to grasp the concept of actually using a 40 MHz channel.
 But I was also remembering an ePMP data sheet with a 150 Mbps number.
 Probably because there are so many ePMP variants.
 I assume the lesser model is limited by CPU, not RF?

  *From:* George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:02 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

 ePMP is 64QAM. 256 would be nice, but there's always the PTP450 for
 that, which of course is limited to 20MHz though. I have a 10 mile ePMP
 link on 2' dishes running in the 5.1 band. 20MHz channel. I get 98Mbps
 aggregate. I see no reason why a 40MHz channel couldn't do 200Mbps, maybe a
 little more.

 On 7/21/2015 1:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  The answer you are looking for is 802.11ac?

 Anyway, I guess I’m mistaken and 220M may be the right number for 256QAM
 in 40 MHz.  Assuming the planets align and every sub is at max modulation
 with no retries.

  *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:23 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync


 And Mimosa is...

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jul 21, 2015 2:19 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   Really, 220 Mbps in a 40 MHz channel?  That’s a bunch for something
 based on an 802.11n PHY.

 I think the regular Force 110 spec sheet says 150M, does the GPS sync
 version really say 220M?  I’m not disputing it, just surprised/amazed.


  *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:15 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync


 220 would be perfect.  I've had nothing but great RF performance.  Did
 you see my story about going from Beams to force110?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide  j...@velociter.net
 j...@velociter.net wrote:

  Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people
 are getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput
 that they claim?



 Josh Heide

 Network Engineer

 Velociter Wireless, Inc.

 (209)838-1221 x108

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

[Josh Luthman]

They've said they will.  Don't know price.  Probably a major rev down the
road.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jul 21, 2015 6:21 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:

 Have they confirmed that you will be able to get a key? I assumed they
 would eventually, but I hadn't heard anything about it... that would be
 very good news.

 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  wrote:

 Software limited to 10 SMs.  You can (eventually, I don't think
 currently) get the software limit up with a key.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I thought that I had been told both ePMP radios had the same CPU, but
 somebody said that the GPS radios are supposed to be able to handle more
 PPS, so I'm not sure... I'm pretty sure they do have more RAM, so that may
 make the difference.

 But there are really only two variants - GPS and non-GPS. The PTP 110 is
 exactly the same hardware as the other GPS radio, it's just limited to 10
 SMs.

 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   OK, ignore me, I seem to be having a bad math day.
 Also trying to grasp the concept of actually using a 40 MHz channel.
 But I was also remembering an ePMP data sheet with a 150 Mbps number.
 Probably because there are so many ePMP variants.
 I assume the lesser model is limited by CPU, not RF?

  *From:* George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:02 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

 ePMP is 64QAM. 256 would be nice, but there's always the PTP450 for
 that, which of course is limited to 20MHz though. I have a 10 mile ePMP
 link on 2' dishes running in the 5.1 band. 20MHz channel. I get 98Mbps
 aggregate. I see no reason why a 40MHz channel couldn't do 200Mbps, maybe a
 little more.

 On 7/21/2015 1:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  The answer you are looking for is 802.11ac?

 Anyway, I guess I’m mistaken and 220M may be the right number for
 256QAM in 40 MHz.  Assuming the planets align and every sub is at max
 modulation with no retries.

  *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:23 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync


 And Mimosa is...

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jul 21, 2015 2:19 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   Really, 220 Mbps in a 40 MHz channel?  That’s a bunch for something
 based on an 802.11n PHY.

 I think the regular Force 110 spec sheet says 150M, does the GPS sync
 version really say 220M?  I’m not disputing it, just surprised/amazed.


  *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:15 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync


 220 would be perfect.  I've had nothing but great RF performance.  Did
 you see my story about going from Beams to force110?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide  j...@velociter.net
 j...@velociter.net wrote:

  Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people
 are getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput
 that they claim?



 Josh Heide

 Network Engineer

 Velociter Wireless, Inc.

 (209)838-1221 x108

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

[George Skorup]

We've mostly been doing PTP and some small PtMP for camera networks with 
ePMP. We were using all UBNT for the camera stuff. So we started a new 
job that required an AP on a central site and 8 or 10 remote cameras 
spread across five remote sites. All within a mile, so low power 5.2/5.4 
was the best option. Bought a bunch of the new UBNT beam things and 
found they only did 5.7. Ordered ePMP, because I'm not going to shit on 
5.7 like everyone else does. The DVR sits behind a Force110 SM connected 
to the AP at the tower. Three of the remotes are also on SMs connected 
to the same AP and it has zero problems. Even our regular camera guys 
said the video feeds were never this smooth on any of the UBNT networks. 
Regular connectorized radio for the AP, not GPS. Nothing else special, 
just bridging and flexible framing. Probably pushing 30-40Mbps of video 
traffic. Methinks Cambium just knows how to do RF scheduling.


On 7/21/2015 5:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

OK, ignore me, I seem to be having a bad math day.
Also trying to grasp the concept of actually using a 40 MHz channel.
But I was also remembering an ePMP data sheet with a 150 Mbps number.
Probably because there are so many ePMP variants.
I assume the lesser model is limited by CPU, not RF?
*From:* George Skorup mailto:geo...@cbcast.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:02 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync
ePMP is 64QAM. 256 would be nice, but there's always the PTP450 for 
that, which of course is limited to 20MHz though. I have a 10 mile 
ePMP link on 2' dishes running in the 5.1 band. 20MHz channel. I get 
98Mbps aggregate. I see no reason why a 40MHz channel couldn't do 
200Mbps, maybe a little more.


On 7/21/2015 1:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

The answer you are looking for is 802.11ac?
Anyway, I guess I’m mistaken and 220M may be the right number for 
256QAM in 40 MHz.  Assuming the planets align and every sub is at max 
modulation with no retries.

*From:* Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:23 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

And Mimosa is...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jul 21, 2015 2:19 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:


Really, 220 Mbps in a 40 MHz channel?  That’s a bunch for
something based on an 802.11n PHY.
I think the regular Force 110 spec sheet says 150M, does the GPS
sync version really say 220M?  I’m not disputing it, just
surprised/amazed.
*From:* Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:15 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

220 would be perfect.  I've had nothing but great RF performance.
Did you see my story about going from Beams to force110?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net wrote:

Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput
people are getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps
real world throughput that they claim?

Josh Heide

Network Engineer

Velociter Wireless, Inc.

(209)838-1221 x108 tel:%28209%29838-1221%20x108

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

[John Butler]

The radio takes its sync source from the built-in GPS receiver or over Ethernet 
from a CMM or CMM-like device.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber 
Broadcasting)
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 6:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

We will get sync over power too, right?
On 3/16/2015 2:09 PM, John Butler wrote:
The plan is that there will be a software upgrade that will allow you to enable 
GPS Sync mode of operation,  but only in the PTP configuration – that is one 
“SM” connected.  You will not need to purchase a license key to enable that.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber 
Broadcasting)
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 1:32 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

Dude, for real, more licensing?
On 3/16/2015 1:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Software license?  Auuugh.  What happened to Cambium 2.0?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi 
sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com
 wrote:
No, that’s not what I said. The Force 110 PTP is sold today with sync 
capabilities disabled. There is a plan to allow enabling of sync through a 
software license.

Software Tick™. Got it. Thanks!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:54 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

Are you saying that the units will never do PTP sync?  I understand that you 
don't want them used for PTMP sync, but I don't see why you'd hinder your 
product and our services by never enabling PTP sync.

Software tick is trademarked, you can use it if you enable PTP sync =)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi 
sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com
 wrote:
Correct. The video shows the Force 110 which uses the Unsync’d radio 
(identified by the two Ethernet ports). The Force 110 PTP comes with the 
Connectorized radio with Sync (single GigE port and GPS chip/connectors/antenna 
all included) but with a software tick (Thanks Josh. I’m using this going 
forward ☺) to disable sync functionality. The radio will still track satellites 
and provide coordinates but will not allow sync.

Thanks,
Sriram

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:42 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

That's just a standard Force 110 in that video - not a PTP, the PTP is the 
exact same hardware as the synced AP and does have a GPS port (it even comes 
with the GPS antenna), but has it currently has sync disabled in software, but 
Cambium has stated that they are planning to enable sync for point-to-point.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Matt 
matt.mailingli...@gmail.commailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:
 It's expected, yes.

Do they have a GPS antenna port?  Not seeing one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFyNKpoIHO4


 Will these eventually have GPS sync with a firmware update for frequency
 reuse?

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

[Mike Hammett]

But still so fun... 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 2:48:12 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP 

The clarification seems to make the pitchfork unnecessary. 




Do I have to put away my pitchfork? 

bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com 
On 3/16/2015 12:16 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: 

blockquote

Excellent! I guess we won't be needing an angry mob then... 



On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Josh Luthman  j...@imaginenetworksllc.com  
wrote: 

blockquote

Yes!! 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:09 PM, John Butler  john.but...@cambiumnetworks.com 
 wrote: 

blockquote



The plan is that there will be a software upgrade that will allow you to enable 
GPS Sync mode of operation, but only in the PTP configuration – that is one 
“SM” connected. You will not need to purchase a license key to enable that. 




From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber 
Broadcasting) 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 1:32 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP 

Dude, for real, more licensing? 

On 3/16/2015 1:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 
blockquote


Software license? Auuugh. What happened to Cambium 2.0? 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 




On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi  
sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com  wrote: 


No, that’s not what I said. The Force 110 PTP is sold today with sync 
capabilities disabled. There is a plan to allow enabling of sync through a 
software license. 

Software Tick™. Got it. Thanks! 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:54 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP 


Are you saying that the units will never do PTP sync? I understand that you 
don't want them used for PTMP sync, but I don't see why you'd hinder your 
product and our services by never enabling PTP sync. 



Software tick is trademarked, you can use it if you enable PTP sync =) 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi  
sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com  wrote: 


blockquote



Correct. The video shows the Force 110 which uses the Unsync’d radio 
(identified by the two Ethernet ports). The Force 110 PTP comes with the 
Connectorized radio with Sync (single GigE port and GPS chip/connectors/antenna 
all included) but with a software tick (Thanks Josh. I’m using this going 
forward J ) to disable sync functionality. The radio will still track 
satellites and provide coordinates but will not allow sync. 

Thanks, 
Sriram 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:42 PM 
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP 


That's just a standard Force 110 in that video - not a PTP, the PTP is the 
exact same hardware as the synced AP and does have a GPS port (it even comes 
with the GPS antenna), but has it currently has sync disabled in software, but 
Cambium has stated that they are planning to enable sync for point-to-point. 



On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Matt  matt.mailingli...@gmail.com  wrote: 


blockquote

 It's expected, yes. 

Do they have a GPS antenna port? Not seeing one. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFyNKpoIHO4 



 
 Will these eventually have GPS sync with a firmware update for frequency 
 reuse? 
 



/blockquote



/blockquote


/blockquote


/blockquote


/blockquote


/blockquote

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

[Bill Prince]

Ah shucks.  I'd just gotten it all polished up...

bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 3/16/2015 12:48 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

The clarification seems to make the pitchfork unnecessary.


Do I have to put away my pitchfork?

bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 3/16/2015 12:16 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Excellent! I guess we won't be needing an angry mob then...

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
wrote:


Yes!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:09 PM, John Butler
john.but...@cambiumnetworks.com
mailto:john.but...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

The plan is that there will be a software upgrade that will
allow you to enable GPS Sync mode of operation,  but only in
the PTP configuration – that is one “SM” connected.  You
will not need to purchase a license key to enable that.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
(Cyber Broadcasting)
*Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 1:32 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

Dude, for real, more licensing?

On 3/16/2015 1:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Software license?  Auuugh.  What happened to
Cambium 2.0?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi
sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com
mailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

No, that’s not what I said. The Force 110 PTP is sold
today with sync capabilities disabled. There is a plan
to allow enabling of sync through a software license.

Software Tick™. Got it. Thanks!

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 12:54 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

Are you saying that the units will never do PTP sync?  I
understand that you don't want them used for PTMP sync,
but I don't see why you'd hinder your product and our
services by never enabling PTP sync.

Software tick is trademarked, you can use it if you
enable PTP sync =)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi
sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com
mailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

Correct. The video shows the Force 110 which uses
the Unsync’d radio (identified by the two Ethernet
ports). The Force 110 PTP comes with the
Connectorized radio with Sync (single GigE port and
GPS chip/connectors/antenna all included) but with a
software tick (Thanks Josh. I’m using this going
forward J) to disable sync functionality. The radio
will still track satellites and provide coordinates
but will not allow sync.

Thanks,

Sriram

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew
Howard
*Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 12:42 PM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

That's just a standard Force 110 in that video - not
a PTP, the PTP is the exact same hardware as the
synced AP and does have a GPS port (it even comes
with the GPS antenna), but has it currently has sync
disabled in software, but Cambium has stated that
they are planning to enable sync for point-to-point.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Matt
matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's expected, yes.

Do they have a GPS antenna port?  Not seeing one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFyNKpoIHO4



 Will these eventually have GPS sync with a
firmware update for frequency
 reuse?

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

[John Butler]

Matt is correct about the latency.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:42 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

That's flexible mode though... I'm assuming latency is going to be the same is 
it is with PtMP Synced mode, which I think is supposed to be about 17ms. But 
I'm assuming that's going to be reduced quite a lot when the 2.5ms frame size 
is available.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
The newer PTP mode is ~2ms.  Older is ~8ms I think?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Matt 
matt.mailingli...@gmail.commailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:
Any guess on latency when in this mode?


On Monday, March 16, 2015, John Butler 
john.but...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:john.but...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:
The plan is that there will be a software upgrade that will allow you to enable 
GPS Sync mode of operation,  but only in the PTP configuration – that is one 
“SM” connected.  You will not need to purchase a license key to enable that.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber 
Broadcasting)
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 1:32 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

Dude, for real, more licensing?
On 3/16/2015 1:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Software license?  Auuugh.  What happened to Cambium 2.0?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi 
sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com
 wrote:
No, that’s not what I said. The Force 110 PTP is sold today with sync 
capabilities disabled. There is a plan to allow enabling of sync through a 
software license.

Software Tick™. Got it. Thanks!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:54 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

Are you saying that the units will never do PTP sync?  I understand that you 
don't want them used for PTMP sync, but I don't see why you'd hinder your 
product and our services by never enabling PTP sync.

Software tick is trademarked, you can use it if you enable PTP sync =)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi 
sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com
 wrote:
Correct. The video shows the Force 110 which uses the Unsync’d radio 
(identified by the two Ethernet ports). The Force 110 PTP comes with the 
Connectorized radio with Sync (single GigE port and GPS chip/connectors/antenna 
all included) but with a software tick (Thanks Josh. I’m using this going 
forward ☺) to disable sync functionality. The radio will still track satellites 
and provide coordinates but will not allow sync.

Thanks,
Sriram

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:42 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

That's just a standard Force 110 in that video - not a PTP, the PTP is the 
exact same hardware as the synced AP and does have a GPS port (it even comes 
with the GPS antenna), but has it currently has sync disabled in software, but 
Cambium has stated that they are planning to enable sync for point-to-point.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Matt 
matt.mailingli...@gmail.commailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:
 It's expected, yes.

Do they have a GPS antenna port?  Not seeing one.
ePMP Force 110 - Montagemhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFyNKpoIHO4


 Will these eventually have GPS sync with a firmware update for frequency
 reuse?

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

[Josh Luthman]

So uh did no one else notice they put the Cambium logo on wrong?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

  It's expected, yes.

 Do they have a GPS antenna port?  Not seeing one.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFyNKpoIHO4

 
  Will these eventually have GPS sync with a firmware update for frequency
  reuse?
 

[AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

[Matt]

Will these eventually have GPS sync with a firmware update for frequency reuse?

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

[Josh Luthman]

It's expected, yes.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Will these eventually have GPS sync with a firmware update for frequency
 reuse?

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

[Josh Luthman]

Yes.  It's the AP hardware.  Just a software tick disabling sync right now.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 16, 2015 1:30 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

  It's expected, yes.

 Do they have a GPS antenna port?  Not seeing one.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFyNKpoIHO4

 
  Will these eventually have GPS sync with a firmware update for frequency
  reuse?
 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

[Sriram Chaturvedi]

Correct. The video shows the Force 110 which uses the Unsync’d radio 
(identified by the two Ethernet ports). The Force 110 PTP comes with the 
Connectorized radio with Sync (single GigE port and GPS chip/connectors/antenna 
all included) but with a software tick (Thanks Josh. I’m using this going 
forward ☺) to disable sync functionality. The radio will still track satellites 
and provide coordinates but will not allow sync.

Thanks,
Sriram

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:42 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

That's just a standard Force 110 in that video - not a PTP, the PTP is the 
exact same hardware as the synced AP and does have a GPS port (it even comes 
with the GPS antenna), but has it currently has sync disabled in software, but 
Cambium has stated that they are planning to enable sync for point-to-point.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Matt 
matt.mailingli...@gmail.commailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:
 It's expected, yes.

Do they have a GPS antenna port?  Not seeing one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFyNKpoIHO4


 Will these eventually have GPS sync with a firmware update for frequency
 reuse?

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

[Josh Luthman]

Are you saying that the units will never do PTP sync?  I understand that
you don't want them used for PTMP sync, but I don't see why you'd hinder
your product and our services by never enabling PTP sync.

Software tick is trademarked, you can use it if you enable PTP sync =)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi 
sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

  Correct. The video shows the Force 110 which uses the Unsync’d radio
 (identified by the two Ethernet ports). The Force 110 PTP comes with the
 Connectorized radio with Sync (single GigE port and GPS
 chip/connectors/antenna all included) but with a software tick (Thanks
 Josh. I’m using this going forward J) to disable sync functionality. The
 radio will still track satellites and provide coordinates but will not
 allow sync.



 Thanks,

 Sriram



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
 *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 12:42 PM
 *To:* af
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP



 That's just a standard Force 110 in that video - not a PTP, the PTP is the
 exact same hardware as the synced AP and does have a GPS port (it even
 comes with the GPS antenna), but has it currently has sync disabled in
 software, but Cambium has stated that they are planning to enable sync for
 point-to-point.



 On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  It's expected, yes.

 Do they have a GPS antenna port?  Not seeing one.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFyNKpoIHO4


 
  Will these eventually have GPS sync with a firmware update for frequency
  reuse?
 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

[Josh Luthman]

Software license?  Auuugh.  What happened to Cambium 2.0?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi 
sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

  No, that’s not what I said. The Force 110 PTP is sold today with sync
 capabilities disabled. There is a plan to allow enabling of sync through a
 software license.



 Software Tick™. Got it. Thanks!



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 12:54 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP



 Are you saying that the units will never do PTP sync?  I understand that
 you don't want them used for PTMP sync, but I don't see why you'd hinder
 your product and our services by never enabling PTP sync.



 Software tick is trademarked, you can use it if you enable PTP sync =)



 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi 
 sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

  Correct. The video shows the Force 110 which uses the Unsync’d radio
 (identified by the two Ethernet ports). The Force 110 PTP comes with the
 Connectorized radio with Sync (single GigE port and GPS
 chip/connectors/antenna all included) but with a software tick (Thanks
 Josh. I’m using this going forward J) to disable sync functionality. The
 radio will still track satellites and provide coordinates but will not
 allow sync.



 Thanks,

 Sriram



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
 *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 12:42 PM
 *To:* af
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP



 That's just a standard Force 110 in that video - not a PTP, the PTP is the
 exact same hardware as the synced AP and does have a GPS port (it even
 comes with the GPS antenna), but has it currently has sync disabled in
 software, but Cambium has stated that they are planning to enable sync for
 point-to-point.



 On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  It's expected, yes.

 Do they have a GPS antenna port?  Not seeing one.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFyNKpoIHO4


 
  Will these eventually have GPS sync with a firmware update for frequency
  reuse?
 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

[Matt]

 It's expected, yes.

Do they have a GPS antenna port?  Not seeing one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFyNKpoIHO4


 Will these eventually have GPS sync with a firmware update for frequency
 reuse?

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

[Mathew Howard]

That's just a standard Force 110 in that video - not a PTP, the PTP is the
exact same hardware as the synced AP and does have a GPS port (it even
comes with the GPS antenna), but has it currently has sync disabled in
software, but Cambium has stated that they are planning to enable sync for
point-to-point.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

  It's expected, yes.

 Do they have a GPS antenna port?  Not seeing one.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFyNKpoIHO4

 
  Will these eventually have GPS sync with a firmware update for frequency
  reuse?
 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

[Josh Luthman]

Yup


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 7:05 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

  We will get sync over power too, right?

 On 3/16/2015 2:09 PM, John Butler wrote:

  The plan is that there will be a software upgrade that will allow you to
 enable GPS Sync mode of operation,  but only in the PTP configuration –
 that is one “SM” connected.  You will not need to purchase a license key to
 enable that.





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
 *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 1:32 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP



 Dude, for real, more licensing?

 On 3/16/2015 1:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  Software license?  Auuugh.  What happened to Cambium 2.0?




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi 
 sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

 No, that’s not what I said. The Force 110 PTP is sold today with sync
 capabilities disabled. There is a plan to allow enabling of sync through a
 software license.



 Software Tick™. Got it. Thanks!



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 12:54 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP



 Are you saying that the units will never do PTP sync?  I understand that
 you don't want them used for PTMP sync, but I don't see why you'd hinder
 your product and our services by never enabling PTP sync.



 Software tick is trademarked, you can use it if you enable PTP sync =)



 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi 
 sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

  Correct. The video shows the Force 110 which uses the Unsync’d radio
 (identified by the two Ethernet ports). The Force 110 PTP comes with the
 Connectorized radio with Sync (single GigE port and GPS
 chip/connectors/antenna all included) but with a software tick (Thanks
 Josh. I’m using this going forward J) to disable sync functionality. The
 radio will still track satellites and provide coordinates but will not
 allow sync.



 Thanks,

 Sriram



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
 *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 12:42 PM
 *To:* af
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP



 That's just a standard Force 110 in that video - not a PTP, the PTP is the
 exact same hardware as the synced AP and does have a GPS port (it even
 comes with the GPS antenna), but has it currently has sync disabled in
 software, but Cambium has stated that they are planning to enable sync for
 point-to-point.



 On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  It's expected, yes.

 Do they have a GPS antenna port?  Not seeing one.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFyNKpoIHO4


 
  Will these eventually have GPS sync with a firmware update for frequency
  reuse?
 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

[Matt]

 That's flexible mode though... I'm assuming latency is going to be the same
 is it is with PtMP Synced mode, which I think is supposed to be about 17ms.
 But I'm assuming that's going to be reduced quite a lot when the 2.5ms frame
 size is available.

What is frame size now?

 On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 The newer PTP mode is ~2ms.  Older is ~8ms I think?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Any guess on latency when in this mode?


 On Monday, March 16, 2015, John Butler john.but...@cambiumnetworks.com
 wrote:

 The plan is that there will be a software upgrade that will allow you to
 enable GPS Sync mode of operation,  but only in the PTP configuration – 
 that
 is one “SM” connected.  You will not need to purchase a license key to
 enable that.





 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber
 Broadcasting)
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 1:32 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP



 Dude, for real, more licensing?

 On 3/16/2015 1:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Software license?  Auuugh.  What happened to Cambium 2.0?




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi
 sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

 No, that’s not what I said. The Force 110 PTP is sold today with sync
 capabilities disabled. There is a plan to allow enabling of sync through a
 software license.



 Software Tick™. Got it. Thanks!



 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:54 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP



 Are you saying that the units will never do PTP sync?  I understand that
 you don't want them used for PTMP sync, but I don't see why you'd hinder
 your product and our services by never enabling PTP sync.



 Software tick is trademarked, you can use it if you enable PTP sync =)



 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi
 sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

 Correct. The video shows the Force 110 which uses the Unsync’d radio
 (identified by the two Ethernet ports). The Force 110 PTP comes with the
 Connectorized radio with Sync (single GigE port and GPS
 chip/connectors/antenna all included) but with a software tick (Thanks 
 Josh.
 I’m using this going forward J) to disable sync functionality. The radio
 will still track satellites and provide coordinates but will not allow 
 sync.



 Thanks,

 Sriram



 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:42 PM
 To: af
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP



 That's just a standard Force 110 in that video - not a PTP, the PTP is
 the exact same hardware as the synced AP and does have a GPS port (it even
 comes with the GPS antenna), but has it currently has sync disabled in
 software, but Cambium has stated that they are planning to enable sync for
 point-to-point.



 On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  It's expected, yes.

 Do they have a GPS antenna port?  Not seeing one.

 ePMP Force 110 - Montagem


 
  Will these eventually have GPS sync with a firmware update for
  frequency
  reuse?
 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)]

We'll see. I'll put my pitchfork down.. for now.

On 3/16/2015 6:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Yup


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 7:05 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote:


We will get sync over power too, right?

On 3/16/2015 2:09 PM, John Butler wrote:


The plan is that there will be a software upgrade that will allow
you to enable GPS Sync mode of operation,  but only in the PTP
configuration – that is one “SM” connected.  You will not need to
purchase a license key to enable that.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George
Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
*Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 1:32 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

Dude, for real, more licensing?

On 3/16/2015 1:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Software license? Auuugh.  What happened to Cambium 2.0?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi
sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com
mailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

No, that’s not what I said. The Force 110 PTP is sold today
with sync capabilities disabled. There is a plan to allow
enabling of sync through a software license.

Software Tick™. Got it. Thanks!

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 12:54 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

Are you saying that the units will never do PTP sync?  I
understand that you don't want them used for PTMP sync, but I
don't see why you'd hinder your product and our services by
never enabling PTP sync.

Software tick is trademarked, you can use it if you enable
PTP sync =)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi
sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com
mailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

Correct. The video shows the Force 110 which uses the
Unsync’d radio (identified by the two Ethernet ports).
The Force 110 PTP comes with the Connectorized radio with
Sync (single GigE port and GPS chip/connectors/antenna
all included) but with a software tick (Thanks Josh. I’m
using this going forward J) to disable sync
functionality. The radio will still track satellites and
provide coordinates but will not allow sync.

Thanks,

Sriram

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 12:42 PM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

That's just a standard Force 110 in that video - not a
PTP, the PTP is the exact same hardware as the synced AP
and does have a GPS port (it even comes with the GPS
antenna), but has it currently has sync disabled in
software, but Cambium has stated that they are planning
to enable sync for point-to-point.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Matt
matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's expected, yes.

Do they have a GPS antenna port?  Not seeing one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFyNKpoIHO4



 Will these eventually have GPS sync with a
firmware update for frequency
 reuse?

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

[Mathew Howard]

it's 5ms now.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

  That's flexible mode though... I'm assuming latency is going to be the
 same
  is it is with PtMP Synced mode, which I think is supposed to be about
 17ms.
  But I'm assuming that's going to be reduced quite a lot when the 2.5ms
 frame
  size is available.

 What is frame size now?

  On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  wrote:
 
  The newer PTP mode is ~2ms.  Older is ~8ms I think?
 
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Any guess on latency when in this mode?
 
 
  On Monday, March 16, 2015, John Butler 
 john.but...@cambiumnetworks.com
  wrote:
 
  The plan is that there will be a software upgrade that will allow you
 to
  enable GPS Sync mode of operation,  but only in the PTP configuration
 – that
  is one “SM” connected.  You will not need to purchase a license key to
  enable that.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
 (Cyber
  Broadcasting)
  Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 1:32 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP
 
 
 
  Dude, for real, more licensing?
 
  On 3/16/2015 1:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 
  Software license?  Auuugh.  What happened to Cambium 2.0?
 
 
 
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 
  On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi
  sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:
 
  No, that’s not what I said. The Force 110 PTP is sold today with sync
  capabilities disabled. There is a plan to allow enabling of sync
 through a
  software license.
 
 
 
  Software Tick™. Got it. Thanks!
 
 
 
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:54 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP
 
 
 
  Are you saying that the units will never do PTP sync?  I understand
 that
  you don't want them used for PTMP sync, but I don't see why you'd
 hinder
  your product and our services by never enabling PTP sync.
 
 
 
  Software tick is trademarked, you can use it if you enable PTP sync
 =)
 
 
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 
  On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi
  sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:
 
  Correct. The video shows the Force 110 which uses the Unsync’d radio
  (identified by the two Ethernet ports). The Force 110 PTP comes with
 the
  Connectorized radio with Sync (single GigE port and GPS
  chip/connectors/antenna all included) but with a software tick
 (Thanks Josh.
  I’m using this going forward J) to disable sync functionality. The
 radio
  will still track satellites and provide coordinates but will not
 allow sync.
 
 
 
  Thanks,
 
  Sriram
 
 
 
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
  Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:42 PM
  To: af
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP
 
 
 
  That's just a standard Force 110 in that video - not a PTP, the PTP is
  the exact same hardware as the synced AP and does have a GPS port (it
 even
  comes with the GPS antenna), but has it currently has sync disabled in
  software, but Cambium has stated that they are planning to enable
 sync for
  point-to-point.
 
 
 
  On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   It's expected, yes.
 
  Do they have a GPS antenna port?  Not seeing one.
 
  ePMP Force 110 - Montagem
 
 
  
   Will these eventually have GPS sync with a firmware update for
   frequency
   reuse?
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

[Mathew Howard]

That's flexible mode though... I'm assuming latency is going to be the same
is it is with PtMP Synced mode, which I think is supposed to be about 17ms.
But I'm assuming that's going to be reduced quite a lot when the 2.5ms
frame size is available.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

 The newer PTP mode is ~2ms.  Older is ~8ms I think?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Any guess on latency when in this mode?


 On Monday, March 16, 2015, John Butler john.but...@cambiumnetworks.com
 wrote:

  The plan is that there will be a software upgrade that will allow you
 to enable GPS Sync mode of operation,  but only in the PTP configuration –
 that is one “SM” connected.  You will not need to purchase a license key to
 enable that.





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
 (Cyber Broadcasting)
 *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 1:32 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP



 Dude, for real, more licensing?

 On 3/16/2015 1:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  Software license?  Auuugh.  What happened to Cambium 2.0?




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi 
 sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

 No, that’s not what I said. The Force 110 PTP is sold today with sync
 capabilities disabled. There is a plan to allow enabling of sync through a
 software license.



 Software Tick™. Got it. Thanks!



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 12:54 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP



 Are you saying that the units will never do PTP sync?  I understand that
 you don't want them used for PTMP sync, but I don't see why you'd hinder
 your product and our services by never enabling PTP sync.



 Software tick is trademarked, you can use it if you enable PTP sync =)



 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi 
 sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

  Correct. The video shows the Force 110 which uses the Unsync’d radio
 (identified by the two Ethernet ports). The Force 110 PTP comes with the
 Connectorized radio with Sync (single GigE port and GPS
 chip/connectors/antenna all included) but with a software tick (Thanks
 Josh. I’m using this going forward J) to disable sync functionality.
 The radio will still track satellites and provide coordinates but will not
 allow sync.



 Thanks,

 Sriram



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
 *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 12:42 PM
 *To:* af
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP



 That's just a standard Force 110 in that video - not a PTP, the PTP is
 the exact same hardware as the synced AP and does have a GPS port (it even
 comes with the GPS antenna), but has it currently has sync disabled in
 software, but Cambium has stated that they are planning to enable sync for
 point-to-point.



 On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  It's expected, yes.

 Do they have a GPS antenna port?  Not seeing one.

 ePMP Force 110 - Montagem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFyNKpoIHO4


 
  Will these eventually have GPS sync with a firmware update for
 frequency
  reuse?
 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)]

We will get sync over power too, right?

On 3/16/2015 2:09 PM, John Butler wrote:


The plan is that there will be a software upgrade that will allow you 
to enable GPS Sync mode of operation,  but only in the PTP 
configuration – that is one “SM” connected.  You will not need to 
purchase a license key to enable that.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup 
(Cyber Broadcasting)

*Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 1:32 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

Dude, for real, more licensing?

On 3/16/2015 1:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Software license?  Auuugh. What happened to Cambium 2.0?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi
sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com
mailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

No, that’s not what I said. The Force 110 PTP is sold today with
sync capabilities disabled. There is a plan to allow enabling of
sync through a software license.

Software Tick™. Got it. Thanks!

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 12:54 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

Are you saying that the units will never do PTP sync? I understand
that you don't want them used for PTMP sync, but I don't see why
you'd hinder your product and our services by never enabling PTP sync.

Software tick is trademarked, you can use it if you enable PTP
sync =)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi
sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com
mailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

Correct. The video shows the Force 110 which uses the Unsync’d
radio (identified by the two Ethernet ports). The Force 110
PTP comes with the Connectorized radio with Sync (single GigE
port and GPS chip/connectors/antenna all included) but with a
software tick (Thanks Josh. I’m using this going forward J) to
disable sync functionality. The radio will still track
satellites and provide coordinates but will not allow sync.

Thanks,

Sriram

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 12:42 PM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

That's just a standard Force 110 in that video - not a PTP,
the PTP is the exact same hardware as the synced AP and does
have a GPS port (it even comes with the GPS antenna), but has
it currently has sync disabled in software, but Cambium has
stated that they are planning to enable sync for point-to-point.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Matt
matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's expected, yes.

Do they have a GPS antenna port?  Not seeing one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFyNKpoIHO4



 Will these eventually have GPS sync with a firmware
update for frequency
 reuse?

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

[Mike Hammett]

I believe Cambium confirmed that on here less than a week ago. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 9:43:54 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP 

Will these eventually have GPS sync with a firmware update for frequency reuse? 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

[Josh Luthman]

Yes!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:09 PM, John Butler 
john.but...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

  The plan is that there will be a software upgrade that will allow you to
 enable GPS Sync mode of operation,  but only in the PTP configuration –
 that is one “SM” connected.  You will not need to purchase a license key to
 enable that.





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
 (Cyber Broadcasting)
 *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 1:32 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP



 Dude, for real, more licensing?

 On 3/16/2015 1:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  Software license?  Auuugh.  What happened to Cambium 2.0?




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi 
 sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

 No, that’s not what I said. The Force 110 PTP is sold today with sync
 capabilities disabled. There is a plan to allow enabling of sync through a
 software license.



 Software Tick™. Got it. Thanks!



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 12:54 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP



 Are you saying that the units will never do PTP sync?  I understand that
 you don't want them used for PTMP sync, but I don't see why you'd hinder
 your product and our services by never enabling PTP sync.



 Software tick is trademarked, you can use it if you enable PTP sync =)



 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi 
 sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

  Correct. The video shows the Force 110 which uses the Unsync’d radio
 (identified by the two Ethernet ports). The Force 110 PTP comes with the
 Connectorized radio with Sync (single GigE port and GPS
 chip/connectors/antenna all included) but with a software tick (Thanks
 Josh. I’m using this going forward J) to disable sync functionality. The
 radio will still track satellites and provide coordinates but will not
 allow sync.



 Thanks,

 Sriram



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
 *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 12:42 PM
 *To:* af
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP



 That's just a standard Force 110 in that video - not a PTP, the PTP is the
 exact same hardware as the synced AP and does have a GPS port (it even
 comes with the GPS antenna), but has it currently has sync disabled in
 software, but Cambium has stated that they are planning to enable sync for
 point-to-point.



 On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  It's expected, yes.

 Do they have a GPS antenna port?  Not seeing one.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFyNKpoIHO4


 
  Will these eventually have GPS sync with a firmware update for frequency
  reuse?
 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

[Bill Prince]

Do I have to put away my pitchfork?

bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 3/16/2015 12:16 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Excellent! I guess we won't be needing an angry mob then...

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:


Yes!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:09 PM, John Butler
john.but...@cambiumnetworks.com
mailto:john.but...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

The plan is that there will be a software upgrade that will
allow you to enable GPS Sync mode of operation,  but only in
the PTP configuration – that is one “SM” connected. You will
not need to purchase a license key to enable that.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
(Cyber Broadcasting)
*Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 1:32 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

Dude, for real, more licensing?

On 3/16/2015 1:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Software license? Auuugh.  What happened to
Cambium 2.0?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi
sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com
mailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

No, that’s not what I said. The Force 110 PTP is sold
today with sync capabilities disabled. There is a plan to
allow enabling of sync through a software license.

Software Tick™. Got it. Thanks!

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 12:54 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

Are you saying that the units will never do PTP sync?  I
understand that you don't want them used for PTMP sync,
but I don't see why you'd hinder your product and our
services by never enabling PTP sync.

Software tick is trademarked, you can use it if you
enable PTP sync =)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi
sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com
mailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

Correct. The video shows the Force 110 which uses the
Unsync’d radio (identified by the two Ethernet ports).
The Force 110 PTP comes with the Connectorized radio
with Sync (single GigE port and GPS
chip/connectors/antenna all included) but with a
software tick (Thanks Josh. I’m using this going
forward J) to disable sync functionality. The radio
will still track satellites and provide coordinates
but will not allow sync.

Thanks,

Sriram

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew
Howard
*Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 12:42 PM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

That's just a standard Force 110 in that video - not a
PTP, the PTP is the exact same hardware as the synced
AP and does have a GPS port (it even comes with the
GPS antenna), but has it currently has sync disabled
in software, but Cambium has stated that they are
planning to enable sync for point-to-point.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Matt
matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's expected, yes.

Do they have a GPS antenna port?  Not seeing one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFyNKpoIHO4



 Will these eventually have GPS sync with a
firmware update for frequency
 reuse?

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

[John Butler]

The plan is that there will be a software upgrade that will allow you to enable 
GPS Sync mode of operation,  but only in the PTP configuration – that is one 
“SM” connected.  You will not need to purchase a license key to enable that.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber 
Broadcasting)
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 1:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

Dude, for real, more licensing?
On 3/16/2015 1:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Software license?  Auuugh.  What happened to Cambium 2.0?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi 
sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com
 wrote:
No, that’s not what I said. The Force 110 PTP is sold today with sync 
capabilities disabled. There is a plan to allow enabling of sync through a 
software license.

Software Tick™. Got it. Thanks!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:54 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

Are you saying that the units will never do PTP sync?  I understand that you 
don't want them used for PTMP sync, but I don't see why you'd hinder your 
product and our services by never enabling PTP sync.

Software tick is trademarked, you can use it if you enable PTP sync =)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi 
sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com
 wrote:
Correct. The video shows the Force 110 which uses the Unsync’d radio 
(identified by the two Ethernet ports). The Force 110 PTP comes with the 
Connectorized radio with Sync (single GigE port and GPS chip/connectors/antenna 
all included) but with a software tick (Thanks Josh. I’m using this going 
forward ☺) to disable sync functionality. The radio will still track satellites 
and provide coordinates but will not allow sync.

Thanks,
Sriram

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:42 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

That's just a standard Force 110 in that video - not a PTP, the PTP is the 
exact same hardware as the synced AP and does have a GPS port (it even comes 
with the GPS antenna), but has it currently has sync disabled in software, but 
Cambium has stated that they are planning to enable sync for point-to-point.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Matt 
matt.mailingli...@gmail.commailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:
 It's expected, yes.

Do they have a GPS antenna port?  Not seeing one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFyNKpoIHO4


 Will these eventually have GPS sync with a firmware update for frequency
 reuse?

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)]

Dude, for real, more licensing?

On 3/16/2015 1:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Software license?  Auuugh.  What happened to Cambium 2.0?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi 
sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com 
mailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:


No, that’s not what I said. The Force 110 PTP is sold today with
sync capabilities disabled. There is a plan to allow enabling of
sync through a software license.

Software Tick™. Got it. Thanks!

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 12:54 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

Are you saying that the units will never do PTP sync?  I
understand that you don't want them used for PTMP sync, but I
don't see why you'd hinder your product and our services by never
enabling PTP sync.

Software tick is trademarked, you can use it if you enable PTP
sync =)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi
sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com
mailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

Correct. The video shows the Force 110 which uses the Unsync’d
radio (identified by the two Ethernet ports). The Force 110
PTP comes with the Connectorized radio with Sync (single GigE
port and GPS chip/connectors/antenna all included) but with a
software tick (Thanks Josh. I’m using this going forward J) to
disable sync functionality. The radio will still track
satellites and provide coordinates but will not allow sync.

Thanks,

Sriram

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 12:42 PM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

That's just a standard Force 110 in that video - not a PTP,
the PTP is the exact same hardware as the synced AP and does
have a GPS port (it even comes with the GPS antenna), but has
it currently has sync disabled in software, but Cambium has
stated that they are planning to enable sync for point-to-point.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Matt
matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's expected, yes.

Do they have a GPS antenna port?  Not seeing one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFyNKpoIHO4



 Will these eventually have GPS sync with a firmware
update for frequency
 reuse?

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

[Josh Luthman]

The newer PTP mode is ~2ms.  Older is ~8ms I think?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Any guess on latency when in this mode?


 On Monday, March 16, 2015, John Butler john.but...@cambiumnetworks.com
 wrote:

  The plan is that there will be a software upgrade that will allow you
 to enable GPS Sync mode of operation,  but only in the PTP configuration –
 that is one “SM” connected.  You will not need to purchase a license key to
 enable that.





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
 (Cyber Broadcasting)
 *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 1:32 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP



 Dude, for real, more licensing?

 On 3/16/2015 1:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  Software license?  Auuugh.  What happened to Cambium 2.0?




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi 
 sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

 No, that’s not what I said. The Force 110 PTP is sold today with sync
 capabilities disabled. There is a plan to allow enabling of sync through a
 software license.



 Software Tick™. Got it. Thanks!



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 12:54 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP



 Are you saying that the units will never do PTP sync?  I understand that
 you don't want them used for PTMP sync, but I don't see why you'd hinder
 your product and our services by never enabling PTP sync.



 Software tick is trademarked, you can use it if you enable PTP sync =)



 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi 
 sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

  Correct. The video shows the Force 110 which uses the Unsync’d radio
 (identified by the two Ethernet ports). The Force 110 PTP comes with the
 Connectorized radio with Sync (single GigE port and GPS
 chip/connectors/antenna all included) but with a software tick (Thanks
 Josh. I’m using this going forward J) to disable sync functionality. The
 radio will still track satellites and provide coordinates but will not
 allow sync.



 Thanks,

 Sriram



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
 *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 12:42 PM
 *To:* af
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP



 That's just a standard Force 110 in that video - not a PTP, the PTP is
 the exact same hardware as the synced AP and does have a GPS port (it even
 comes with the GPS antenna), but has it currently has sync disabled in
 software, but Cambium has stated that they are planning to enable sync for
 point-to-point.



 On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  It's expected, yes.

 Do they have a GPS antenna port?  Not seeing one.

 ePMP Force 110 - Montagem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFyNKpoIHO4


 
  Will these eventually have GPS sync with a firmware update for
 frequency
  reuse?
 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

[Adam Moffett]

The clarification seems to make the pitchfork unnecessary.


Do I have to put away my pitchfork?

bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 3/16/2015 12:16 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Excellent! I guess we won't be needing an angry mob then...

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:


Yes!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:09 PM, John Butler
john.but...@cambiumnetworks.com
mailto:john.but...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

The plan is that there will be a software upgrade that will
allow you to enable GPS Sync mode of operation,  but only in
the PTP configuration – that is one “SM” connected.  You will
not need to purchase a license key to enable that.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
(Cyber Broadcasting)
*Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 1:32 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

Dude, for real, more licensing?

On 3/16/2015 1:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Software license? Auuugh.  What happened to
Cambium 2.0?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi
sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com
mailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

No, that’s not what I said. The Force 110 PTP is sold
today with sync capabilities disabled. There is a plan to
allow enabling of sync through a software license.

Software Tick™. Got it. Thanks!

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 12:54 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

Are you saying that the units will never do PTP sync?  I
understand that you don't want them used for PTMP sync,
but I don't see why you'd hinder your product and our
services by never enabling PTP sync.

Software tick is trademarked, you can use it if you
enable PTP sync =)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi
sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com
mailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

Correct. The video shows the Force 110 which uses the
Unsync’d radio (identified by the two Ethernet
ports). The Force 110 PTP comes with the
Connectorized radio with Sync (single GigE port and
GPS chip/connectors/antenna all included) but with a
software tick (Thanks Josh. I’m using this going
forward J) to disable sync functionality. The radio
will still track satellites and provide coordinates
but will not allow sync.

Thanks,

Sriram

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew
Howard
*Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 12:42 PM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

That's just a standard Force 110 in that video - not
a PTP, the PTP is the exact same hardware as the
synced AP and does have a GPS port (it even comes
with the GPS antenna), but has it currently has sync
disabled in software, but Cambium has stated that
they are planning to enable sync for point-to-point.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Matt
matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's expected, yes.

Do they have a GPS antenna port?  Not seeing one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFyNKpoIHO4



 Will these eventually have GPS sync with a
firmware update for frequency
 reuse?

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP

[Matt]

Any guess on latency when in this mode?


On Monday, March 16, 2015, John Butler john.but...@cambiumnetworks.com
wrote:

  The plan is that there will be a software upgrade that will allow you to
 enable GPS Sync mode of operation,  but only in the PTP configuration –
 that is one “SM” connected.  You will not need to purchase a license key to
 enable that.





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] *On Behalf Of *George
 Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
 *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 1:32 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP



 Dude, for real, more licensing?

 On 3/16/2015 1:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  Software license?  Auuugh.  What happened to Cambium 2.0?




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi 
 sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com');
 wrote:

 No, that’s not what I said. The Force 110 PTP is sold today with sync
 capabilities disabled. There is a plan to allow enabling of sync through a
 software license.



 Software Tick™. Got it. Thanks!



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] *On Behalf Of *Josh
 Luthman
 *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 12:54 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP



 Are you saying that the units will never do PTP sync?  I understand that
 you don't want them used for PTMP sync, but I don't see why you'd hinder
 your product and our services by never enabling PTP sync.



 Software tick is trademarked, you can use it if you enable PTP sync =)



 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi 
 sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com');
 wrote:

  Correct. The video shows the Force 110 which uses the Unsync’d radio
 (identified by the two Ethernet ports). The Force 110 PTP comes with the
 Connectorized radio with Sync (single GigE port and GPS
 chip/connectors/antenna all included) but with a software tick (Thanks
 Josh. I’m using this going forward J) to disable sync functionality. The
 radio will still track satellites and provide coordinates but will not
 allow sync.



 Thanks,

 Sriram



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] *On Behalf Of *Mathew
 Howard
 *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 12:42 PM
 *To:* af
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110 PTP



 That's just a standard Force 110 in that video - not a PTP, the PTP is the
 exact same hardware as the synced AP and does have a GPS port (it even
 comes with the GPS antenna), but has it currently has sync disabled in
 software, but Cambium has stated that they are planning to enable sync for
 point-to-point.



 On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','matt.mailingli...@gmail.com'); wrote:

  It's expected, yes.

 Do they have a GPS antenna port?  Not seeing one.

 ePMP Force 110 - Montagem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFyNKpoIHO4


 
  Will these eventually have GPS sync with a firmware update for frequency
  reuse?
 

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP force 110 installation

[Josh Luthman]

Oh be careful when you push the radio up, hold the cables down towards the
dish.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 15, 2015 10:43 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

 Left to left, right to right.  You don't cross cables.

 Also, it doesn't matter except in the event you do a single pol spectrum
 scan.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jan 15, 2015 10:39 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote:

 My guys assembled the Force 110 dishes and promptly threw away the
 instructions.  I'm trying to hook up the radio now, which coax is connected
 to which lead on the radio?

 There is the black banded coax, and the grey banded coax.

 The cambium site is being less than usefull as it keeps requesting me to
 enter all info for marketing, even though I'm logged in. Google isn't being
 much help either.

[AFMUG] ePMP Force 110

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I just put together my first Force 110... definitely a huge improvement over 
the 100, it's still not quite as simple as throwing together a Nano/PowerBeam, 
but not bad at all, I think it's actually easier to put together than a 
NanoBridge... and the fact that I didn't look at the instructions until I was 
done is a good sign. I'm not sure how much I like the crazy wire thing on the 
front, but I can live with that, and otherwise, it seems like a pretty good 
design.

The fact that they used carriage bolts for the pole mount instead of a u-bolt 
makes me very happy... I suspect we're going to be putting a lot of these 
things up on towers for PtP links.

One question... are these dual slant or Horizontal/Vertical polarity? I know it 
doesn't really matter much for ePMP, but since they are connectorized, it's 
likely they'll get used with other radios at some point.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af]

I told them to make a snap-on radome with the sub-reflector integrated 
into it. That would provide less wind load and keep ice off of the 
feedhorn, plus speed up assembly.


I'm not sure what the polarization is. I thought the Force100 was -/+45, 
so the 110 is probably the same, but there's no way to tell.


On 12/8/2014 11:46 AM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote:
I just put together my first Force 110... definitely a huge 
improvement over the 100, it's still not quite as simple as throwing 
together a Nano/PowerBeam, but not bad at all, I think it's actually 
easier to put together than a NanoBridge... and the fact that I didn't 
look at the instructions until I was done is a good sign. I'm not sure 
how much I like the crazy wire thing on the front, but I can live with 
that, and otherwise, it seems like a pretty good design.


The fact that they used carriage bolts for the pole mount instead of a 
u-bolt makes me very happy... I suspect we're going to be putting a 
lot of these things up on towers for PtP links.


One question... are these dual slant or Horizontal/Vertical polarity? 
I know it doesn't really matter much for ePMP, but since they are 
connectorized, it's likely they'll get used with other radios at some 
point.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110

[Mathew Howard via Af]

A radome would be nice, I hope they do come out with one.

The Force100 was definitely slant, so yeah, I'm guessing these are too... but 
there's no way to tell by looking at them, as far as I can see. I guess it 
doesn't really matter a whole lot.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 12:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110

I told them to make a snap-on radome with the sub-reflector integrated into it. 
That would provide less wind load and keep ice off of the feedhorn, plus speed 
up assembly.

I'm not sure what the polarization is. I thought the Force100 was -/+45, so the 
110 is probably the same, but there's no way to tell.

On 12/8/2014 11:46 AM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote:
I just put together my first Force 110... definitely a huge improvement over 
the 100, it's still not quite as simple as throwing together a Nano/PowerBeam, 
but not bad at all, I think it's actually easier to put together than a 
NanoBridge... and the fact that I didn't look at the instructions until I was 
done is a good sign. I'm not sure how much I like the crazy wire thing on the 
front, but I can live with that, and otherwise, it seems like a pretty good 
design.

The fact that they used carriage bolts for the pole mount instead of a u-bolt 
makes me very happy... I suspect we're going to be putting a lot of these 
things up on towers for PtP links.

One question... are these dual slant or Horizontal/Vertical polarity? I know it 
doesn't really matter much for ePMP, but since they are connectorized, it's 
likely they'll get used with other radios at some point.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110

[Dan Sullivan via Af]

Hi,

The Force 110 is a Horizontal Vertical.

Dan

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard via Af
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 12:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110

A radome would be nice, I hope they do come out with one.

The Force100 was definitely slant, so yeah, I'm guessing these are too... but 
there's no way to tell by looking at them, as far as I can see. I guess it 
doesn't really matter a whole lot.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 12:24 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110
I told them to make a snap-on radome with the sub-reflector integrated into it. 
That would provide less wind load and keep ice off of the feedhorn, plus speed 
up assembly.

I'm not sure what the polarization is. I thought the Force100 was -/+45, so the 
110 is probably the same, but there's no way to tell.

On 12/8/2014 11:46 AM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote:
I just put together my first Force 110... definitely a huge improvement over 
the 100, it's still not quite as simple as throwing together a Nano/PowerBeam, 
but not bad at all, I think it's actually easier to put together than a 
NanoBridge... and the fact that I didn't look at the instructions until I was 
done is a good sign. I'm not sure how much I like the crazy wire thing on the 
front, but I can live with that, and otherwise, it seems like a pretty good 
design.

The fact that they used carriage bolts for the pole mount instead of a u-bolt 
makes me very happy... I suspect we're going to be putting a lot of these 
things up on towers for PtP links.

One question... are these dual slant or Horizontal/Vertical polarity? I know it 
doesn't really matter much for ePMP, but since they are connectorized, it's 
likely they'll get used with other radios at some point.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Gino Villarini via Af]

Can the force 110 receive sync via the Ethernet port?

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini



On Nov 24, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Sakid Ahmed via Af 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:

Some clarification on this topic –

Only the GPS Sync Connectorized unit can do any type of Sync. Via onboard GPS 
and the external puck (for added gain) or via CMM on the Ethernet side.
The CSM (Connectorized Module without sync) CANNOT be used as a sync device 
whatsoever.

As for the Force PTP, yes, it does use the GPS unit but sync is disabled in the 
Force PTP configuration.

Hope this helps.

Sakid

p.s. There is a topic around mixing CMM3/CMM4s/onboard as a GPS source across a 
tower. This is covered in the document
ePMP Configuration in a Frequency Reuse Deployment

Found at
https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp/

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyson Burris @ Internet 
Comm. Inc via Af
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 5:44 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

Yes in training it was confirmed that the ePmP can get power and sync through 
CMM 34 but the 3 may be tricky to workaround.

Also you can gps time your PTP link but it wasn't recommend.  You should use 
the Mac level for your ptp

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 22, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Paul McCall via Af 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
Jeff,

It looks like you are saying that the connectorized radios withouth sync CAN 
indeed get sync from external source, CMM3, CMM4, sync injector.

I wasn’t aware that was the case

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists via 
Af
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 12:36 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

The 110 PTP unit has sync on board...disabled...expect that's to keep us from 
buying that unit and swapping the radios for a connectorized unit without sync. 
 :-)

I expect that, like the connectorized radio without sync, that you can take 
sync from a different source, like a CMM4.


Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.commailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Nov 22, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Paul McCall via Af 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
For Cambium we have a very remote tower that feeds several other towers.  
Everything is OSPF but logically...

Tower R (the main remote tower - a 190 ft. Rohn 25G with several anti-twist 
devices) is fed by...
   Tower A - 26 miles away - UBNT 3.65ghz Rocket M5 AND a Mikrotik RB912 5 Ghz
   This commercial tower (Tower A) has over 300Mbit of usable bandwidth and 
feeds about 75 to 85 Mbit to Tower A
   Tower B - 9 miles away - UBNT 5ghz Rocket M5
   This tower (Tower B) is a 90 ft. Rohn 25G

Tower R then feeds...
   Tower C - 12 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 50 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
   Tower D - 15 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
   Tower E - 17 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
   Tower F - 14 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)

To get all this to work without Sync was quite a frequency juggling act.  There 
are other towers in the area and towers C, D, E, F connect (chain) to each 
other on the back side and we use a couple 3.65Ghz UBNT radios on the 
backside links.

The challenge...

First of all, I need more BW to each tower, but mostly Tower C.  And, I need 
better consistency... at times the links do not perform as I expect and then I 
get customer complaints etc. I hate that.

So, what would be the best solution that Cambium can recommend other than a ton 
of licensed links?  Obviously, the gear I am using now is inexpensive.

The PTP110 solution ... 2ms unsyncedcan it sync, now or tomorrow?   
Latency with sync?

Paul


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:47 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force



Hi,

Please allow me to clarify.

The Force 110 uses the Connectorized UnSync'd unit with the two 10/100 FE ports.

The Force 110 PTP uses the Connectorized GPS Sync'd unit with the
single GigE port that supports 802.3af PoE in addition to proprietary PoE. GPS 
capabilities will be disabled (but the radio can still use the on board GPS 
chip to track satellites and provide coordinates).

The 2ms latency is achieved purely through software changes in Release 2.4 and 
will apply to both products.

Reading this spec sheet.

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/files/PRODUCTS/ePMP/FORCE/Force%20110%20PTP_Oct2014.pdf



LATENCY (nominal, one way)  2 ms (PTP Mode), 6 ms (Flexible Frame
Mode) , 17 ms (GPS Sync Mode)

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Sriram Chaturvedi via Af]

No it cannot. It uses the CSM (Connectorized Module without sync). You will 
have to swap it out with the GPS module to do any kind of sync.

Thanks,
Sriram

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 7:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

Can the force 110 receive sync via the Ethernet port?

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini



On Nov 24, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Sakid Ahmed via Af 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
Some clarification on this topic -

Only the GPS Sync Connectorized unit can do any type of Sync. Via onboard GPS 
and the external puck (for added gain) or via CMM on the Ethernet side.
The CSM (Connectorized Module without sync) CANNOT be used as a sync device 
whatsoever.

As for the Force PTP, yes, it does use the GPS unit but sync is disabled in the 
Force PTP configuration.

Hope this helps.

Sakid

p.s. There is a topic around mixing CMM3/CMM4s/onboard as a GPS source across a 
tower. This is covered in the document
ePMP Configuration in a Frequency Reuse Deployment

Found at
https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp/

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyson Burris @ Internet 
Comm. Inc via Af
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 5:44 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

Yes in training it was confirmed that the ePmP can get power and sync through 
CMM 34 but the 3 may be tricky to workaround.

Also you can gps time your PTP link but it wasn't recommend.  You should use 
the Mac level for your ptp

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 22, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Paul McCall via Af 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
Jeff,

It looks like you are saying that the connectorized radios withouth sync CAN 
indeed get sync from external source, CMM3, CMM4, sync injector.

I wasn't aware that was the case

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists via 
Af
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 12:36 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

The 110 PTP unit has sync on board...disabled...expect that's to keep us from 
buying that unit and swapping the radios for a connectorized unit without sync. 
 :-)

I expect that, like the connectorized radio without sync, that you can take 
sync from a different source, like a CMM4.


Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.commailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Nov 22, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Paul McCall via Af 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
For Cambium we have a very remote tower that feeds several other towers.  
Everything is OSPF but logically...

Tower R (the main remote tower - a 190 ft. Rohn 25G with several anti-twist 
devices) is fed by...
   Tower A - 26 miles away - UBNT 3.65ghz Rocket M5 AND a Mikrotik RB912 5 Ghz
   This commercial tower (Tower A) has over 300Mbit of usable bandwidth and 
feeds about 75 to 85 Mbit to Tower A
   Tower B - 9 miles away - UBNT 5ghz Rocket M5
   This tower (Tower B) is a 90 ft. Rohn 25G

Tower R then feeds...
   Tower C - 12 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 50 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
   Tower D - 15 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
   Tower E - 17 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
   Tower F - 14 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)

To get all this to work without Sync was quite a frequency juggling act.  There 
are other towers in the area and towers C, D, E, F connect (chain) to each 
other on the back side and we use a couple 3.65Ghz UBNT radios on the 
backside links.

The challenge...

First of all, I need more BW to each tower, but mostly Tower C.  And, I need 
better consistency... at times the links do not perform as I expect and then I 
get customer complaints etc. I hate that.

So, what would be the best solution that Cambium can recommend other than a ton 
of licensed links?  Obviously, the gear I am using now is inexpensive.

The PTP110 solution ... 2ms unsyncedcan it sync, now or tomorrow?   
Latency with sync?

Paul


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:47 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force




Hi,

Please allow me to clarify.

The Force 110 uses the Connectorized UnSync'd unit with the two 10/100 FE ports.

The Force 110 PTP uses the Connectorized GPS Sync'd unit with the
single GigE port that supports 802.3af PoE in addition to proprietary PoE. GPS 
capabilities will be disabled (but the radio can still use the on board GPS 
chip to track satellites and provide coordinates).

The 2ms latency is achieved purely through software changes in Release 2.4 and 
will apply to both products.

Reading this spec sheet.

http

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Mike Hammett via Af]

Maybe that's an undocumented secret you weren't supposed to share on the list? 
:-p 

(For the whole thread) Also, ANY ePMP radio can be the client of a synced 
system. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Jeff Broadwick via Af af@afmug.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 8:16:38 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 



You need to let your trainers know Sakid. 

I was specifically told that you COULD use a non-sync connectorized radio as a 
sync’ed AP using an external pulse source. 



Regards, 

Jeff 


Jeff Broadwick 
Senior Account Manager, Convergence Technologies, Inc. 
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 
312-205-2519 Office 
574-220-7826 Cell 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sakid Ahmed via Af 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 8:22 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 

Some clarification on this topic – 

Only the GPS Sync Connectorized unit can do any type of Sync. Via onboard GPS 
and the external puck (for added gain) or via CMM on the Ethernet side. 
The CSM (Connectorized Module without sync) CANNOT be used as a sync device 
whatsoever. 

As for the Force PTP, yes, it does use the GPS unit but sync is disabled in the 
Force PTP configuration. 

Hope this helps. 

Sakid 

p.s. There is a topic around mixing CMM3/CMM4s/onboard as a GPS source across a 
tower. This is covered in the document 
ePMP Configuration in a Frequency Reuse Deployment 

Found at 
https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp/ 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Tyson Burris @ Internet 
Comm. Inc via Af 
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 5:44 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 


Yes in training it was confirmed that the ePmP can get power and sync through 
CMM 34 but the 3 may be tricky to workaround. 



Also you can gps time your PTP link but it wasn't recommend. You should use the 
Mac level for your ptp 

Sent from my iPhone 


On Nov 22, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Paul McCall via Af  af@afmug.com  wrote: 



Jeff, 

It looks like you are saying that the connectorized radios withouth sync CAN 
indeed get sync from external source, CMM3, CMM4, sync injector. 

I wasn’t aware that was the case 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
via Af 
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 12:36 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 


The 110 PTP unit has sync on board...disabled...expect that's to keep us from 
buying that unit and swapping the radios for a connectorized unit without sync. 
:-) 



I expect that, like the connectorized radio without sync, that you can take 
sync from a different source, like a CMM4. 




Jeff Broadwick 

ConVergence Technologies , Inc. 

312-205-2519 Office 

574-220-7826 Cell 

jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 


On Nov 22, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Paul McCall via Af  af@afmug.com  wrote: 
blockquote


For Cambium we have a very remote tower that feeds several other towers. 
Everything is OSPF but logically... 

Tower R (the main remote tower - a 190 ft. Rohn 25G with several anti-twist 
devices) is fed by... 
Tower A - 26 miles away - UBNT 3.65ghz Rocket M5 AND a Mikrotik RB912 5 Ghz 
This commercial tower (Tower A) has over 300Mbit of usable bandwidth and feeds 
about 75 to 85 Mbit to Tower A 
Tower B - 9 miles away - UBNT 5ghz Rocket M5 
This tower (Tower B) is a 90 ft. Rohn 25G 

Tower R then feeds... 
Tower C - 12 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 50 Mbit of usable bandwidth. 
(Rohn 25G 120 ft.) 
Tower D - 15 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. 
(Rohn 25G 120 ft.) 
Tower E - 17 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. 
(Rohn 25G 120 ft.) 
Tower F - 14 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. 
(Rohn 25G 120 ft.) 

To get all this to work without Sync was quite a frequency juggling act. There 
are other towers in the area and towers C, D, E, F connect (chain) to each 
other on the back side and we use a couple 3.65Ghz UBNT radios on the 
backside links. 

The challenge... 

First of all, I need more BW to each tower, but mostly Tower C. And, I need 
better consistency... at times the links do not perform as I expect and then I 
get customer complaints etc. I hate that. 

So, what would be the best solution that Cambium can recommend other than a ton 
of licensed links? Obviously, the gear I am using now is inexpensive. 

The PTP110 solution ... 2ms unsynced can it sync, now or tomorrow? Latency 
with sync? 

Paul 


-Original Message- 
From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Matt via Af 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:47 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 



Hi, 
blockquote




blockquote

Please allow me to clarify. 
/blockquote

blockquote


/blockquote

blockquote

The Force 110 uses the Connectorized UnSync'd unit with the two 10/100 FE

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Gino Villarini via Af]

I was under the impression that the force ptp was based on the AP module, hence 
the gigabit port..

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini



On Nov 24, 2014, at 10:09 AM, Sriram Chaturvedi via Af 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:

No it cannot. It uses the CSM (Connectorized Module without sync). You will 
have to swap it out with the GPS module to do any kind of sync.

Thanks,
Sriram

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 7:37 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

Can the force 110 receive sync via the Ethernet port?

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini



On Nov 24, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Sakid Ahmed via Af 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
Some clarification on this topic –

Only the GPS Sync Connectorized unit can do any type of Sync. Via onboard GPS 
and the external puck (for added gain) or via CMM on the Ethernet side.
The CSM (Connectorized Module without sync) CANNOT be used as a sync device 
whatsoever.

As for the Force PTP, yes, it does use the GPS unit but sync is disabled in the 
Force PTP configuration.

Hope this helps.

Sakid

p.s. There is a topic around mixing CMM3/CMM4s/onboard as a GPS source across a 
tower. This is covered in the document
ePMP Configuration in a Frequency Reuse Deployment

Found at
https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp/

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyson Burris @ Internet 
Comm. Inc via Af
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 5:44 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

Yes in training it was confirmed that the ePmP can get power and sync through 
CMM 34 but the 3 may be tricky to workaround.

Also you can gps time your PTP link but it wasn't recommend.  You should use 
the Mac level for your ptp

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 22, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Paul McCall via Af 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
Jeff,

It looks like you are saying that the connectorized radios withouth sync CAN 
indeed get sync from external source, CMM3, CMM4, sync injector.

I wasn’t aware that was the case

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists via 
Af
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 12:36 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

The 110 PTP unit has sync on board...disabled...expect that's to keep us from 
buying that unit and swapping the radios for a connectorized unit without sync. 
 :-)

I expect that, like the connectorized radio without sync, that you can take 
sync from a different source, like a CMM4.


Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.commailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Nov 22, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Paul McCall via Af 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
For Cambium we have a very remote tower that feeds several other towers.  
Everything is OSPF but logically...

Tower R (the main remote tower - a 190 ft. Rohn 25G with several anti-twist 
devices) is fed by...
   Tower A - 26 miles away - UBNT 3.65ghz Rocket M5 AND a Mikrotik RB912 5 Ghz
   This commercial tower (Tower A) has over 300Mbit of usable bandwidth and 
feeds about 75 to 85 Mbit to Tower A
   Tower B - 9 miles away - UBNT 5ghz Rocket M5
   This tower (Tower B) is a 90 ft. Rohn 25G

Tower R then feeds...
   Tower C - 12 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 50 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
   Tower D - 15 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
   Tower E - 17 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
   Tower F - 14 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)

To get all this to work without Sync was quite a frequency juggling act.  There 
are other towers in the area and towers C, D, E, F connect (chain) to each 
other on the back side and we use a couple 3.65Ghz UBNT radios on the 
backside links.

The challenge...

First of all, I need more BW to each tower, but mostly Tower C.  And, I need 
better consistency... at times the links do not perform as I expect and then I 
get customer complaints etc. I hate that.

So, what would be the best solution that Cambium can recommend other than a ton 
of licensed links?  Obviously, the gear I am using now is inexpensive.

The PTP110 solution ... 2ms unsyncedcan it sync, now or tomorrow?   
Latency with sync?

Paul


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:47 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force




Hi,

Please allow me to clarify.

The Force 110 uses the Connectorized UnSync'd unit with the two 10/100 FE ports.

The Force 110 PTP uses the Connectorized GPS Sync'd unit with the
single GigE port that supports 802.3af PoE in addition to proprietary PoE. GPS 
capabilities

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Mike Hammett via Af]

It is, but the sync ability is disabled. 

I believe it has been incorrectly stated that GPS been disabled. The sync has 
been disabled. You can still get positioning and satellite tracking 
information... I believe. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com 
To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 9:51:18 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 


I was under the impression that the force ptp was based on the AP module, hence 
the gigabit port.. 

Gino A. Villarini 
@gvillarini 








On Nov 24, 2014, at 10:09 AM, Sriram Chaturvedi via Af  af@afmug.com  wrote: 






No it cannot. It uses the CSM (Connectorized Module without sync). You will 
have to swap it out with the GPS module to do any kind of sync. 

Thanks, 
Sriram 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 7:37 AM 
To:  af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 


Can the force 110 receive sync via the Ethernet port? 

Gino A. Villarini 

@gvillarini 









On Nov 24, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Sakid Ahmed via Af  af@afmug.com  wrote: 
blockquote


Some clarification on this topic – 

Only the GPS Sync Connectorized unit can do any type of Sync. Via onboard GPS 
and the external puck (for added gain) or via CMM on the Ethernet side. 
The CSM (Connectorized Module without sync) CANNOT be used as a sync device 
whatsoever. 

As for the Force PTP, yes, it does use the GPS unit but sync is disabled in the 
Force PTP configuration. 

Hope this helps. 

Sakid 

p.s. There is a topic around mixing CMM3/CMM4s/onboard as a GPS source across a 
tower. This is covered in the document 
ePMP Configuration in a Frequency Reuse Deployment 

Found at 
https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp/ 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Tyson Burris @ Internet 
Comm. Inc via Af 
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 5:44 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 


Yes in training it was confirmed that the ePmP can get power and sync through 
CMM 34 but the 3 may be tricky to workaround. 



Also you can gps time your PTP link but it wasn't recommend. You should use the 
Mac level for your ptp 

Sent from my iPhone 


On Nov 22, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Paul McCall via Af  af@afmug.com  wrote: 
blockquote


Jeff, 

It looks like you are saying that the connectorized radios withouth sync CAN 
indeed get sync from external source, CMM3, CMM4, sync injector. 

I wasn’t aware that was the case 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
via Af 
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 12:36 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 


The 110 PTP unit has sync on board...disabled...expect that's to keep us from 
buying that unit and swapping the radios for a connectorized unit without sync. 
:-) 



I expect that, like the connectorized radio without sync, that you can take 
sync from a different source, like a CMM4. 




Jeff Broadwick 

ConVergence Technologies , Inc. 

312-205-2519 Office 

574-220-7826 Cell 

jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 


On Nov 22, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Paul McCall via Af  af@afmug.com  wrote: 
blockquote


For Cambium we have a very remote tower that feeds several other towers. 
Everything is OSPF but logically... 

Tower R (the main remote tower - a 190 ft. Rohn 25G with several anti-twist 
devices) is fed by... 
Tower A - 26 miles away - UBNT 3.65ghz Rocket M5 AND a Mikrotik RB912 5 Ghz 
This commercial tower (Tower A) has over 300Mbit of usable bandwidth and feeds 
about 75 to 85 Mbit to Tower A 
Tower B - 9 miles away - UBNT 5ghz Rocket M5 
This tower (Tower B) is a 90 ft. Rohn 25G 

Tower R then feeds... 
Tower C - 12 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 50 Mbit of usable bandwidth. 
(Rohn 25G 120 ft.) 
Tower D - 15 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. 
(Rohn 25G 120 ft.) 
Tower E - 17 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. 
(Rohn 25G 120 ft.) 
Tower F - 14 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. 
(Rohn 25G 120 ft.) 

To get all this to work without Sync was quite a frequency juggling act. There 
are other towers in the area and towers C, D, E, F connect (chain) to each 
other on the back side and we use a couple 3.65Ghz UBNT radios on the 
backside links. 

The challenge... 

First of all, I need more BW to each tower, but mostly Tower C. And, I need 
better consistency... at times the links do not perform as I expect and then I 
get customer complaints etc. I hate that. 

So, what would be the best solution that Cambium can recommend other than a ton 
of licensed links? Obviously, the gear I am using now is inexpensive. 

The PTP110 solution ... 2ms unsynced can it sync, now or tomorrow? Latency 
with sync? 

Paul 


-Original Message- 
From: Af [ mailto:af-boun

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

Interesting no rants yet about disabling a feature to charge less.  Yet look at 
all the SKUs that Intel creates by disabling cores, disabling hyperthreading, 
disabling some of the cache, etc.  It feels OK to buy an inexpensive 4 core CPU 
until you find out it’s a 6 core chip with 2 cores disabled.  But if it’s 
cheaper for Intel than actually making different dies, what does it matter if 
the end result is the same?  I think it’s human nature, we’re happier not 
knowing some things.

From: Mike Hammett via Af 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 9:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

It is, but the sync ability is disabled.

I believe it has been incorrectly stated that GPS been disabled. The sync has 
been disabled. You can still get positioning and satellite tracking 
information...  I believe.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com







From: Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 9:51:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force


I was under the impression that the force ptp was based on the AP module, hence 
the gigabit port..

Gino A. Villarini 
@gvillarini



On Nov 24, 2014, at 10:09 AM, Sriram Chaturvedi via Af af@afmug.com wrote:


  No it cannot. It uses the CSM (Connectorized Module without sync). You will 
have to swap it out with the GPS module to do any kind of sync. 



  Thanks,

  Sriram



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af
  Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 7:37 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force



  Can the force 110 receive sync via the Ethernet port?

  Gino A. Villarini 

  @gvillarini






  On Nov 24, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Sakid Ahmed via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

Some clarification on this topic – 



Only the GPS Sync Connectorized unit can do any type of Sync. Via onboard 
GPS and the external puck (for added gain) or via CMM on the Ethernet side. 

The CSM (Connectorized Module without sync) CANNOT be used as a sync device 
whatsoever.



As for the Force PTP, yes, it does use the GPS unit but sync is disabled in 
the Force PTP configuration.



Hope this helps.



Sakid



p.s. There is a topic around mixing CMM3/CMM4s/onboard as a GPS source 
across a tower. This is covered in the document 

ePMP Configuration in a Frequency Reuse Deployment



Found at 

https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp/



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyson Burris @ Internet 
Comm. Inc via Af
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 5:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force



Yes in training it was confirmed that the ePmP can get power and sync 
through CMM 34 but the 3 may be tricky to workaround. 



Also you can gps time your PTP link but it wasn't recommend.  You should 
use the Mac level for your ptp 

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 22, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Jeff,



  It looks like you are saying that the connectorized radios withouth sync 
CAN indeed get sync from external source, CMM3, CMM4, sync injector.



  I wasn’t aware that was the case



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - 
Lists via Af
  Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 12:36 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force



  The 110 PTP unit has sync on board...disabled...expect that's to keep us 
from buying that unit and swapping the radios for a connectorized unit without 
sync.  :-)



  I expect that, like the connectorized radio without sync, that you can 
take sync from a different source, like a CMM4.




  Jeff Broadwick

  ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

  312-205-2519 Office

  574-220-7826 Cell

  jbroadw...@converge-tech.com


  On Nov 22, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

For Cambium we have a very remote tower that feeds several other 
towers.  Everything is OSPF but logically...

Tower R (the main remote tower - a 190 ft. Rohn 25G with several 
anti-twist devices) is fed by...
   Tower A - 26 miles away - UBNT 3.65ghz Rocket M5 AND a Mikrotik 
RB912 5 Ghz
   This commercial tower (Tower A) has over 300Mbit of usable 
bandwidth and feeds about 75 to 85 Mbit to Tower A
   Tower B - 9 miles away - UBNT 5ghz Rocket M5
   This tower (Tower B) is a 90 ft. Rohn 25G

Tower R then feeds...
   Tower C - 12 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 50 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
   Tower D - 15 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
   Tower E - 17 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Paul McCall via Af]

For Cambium we have a very remote tower that feeds several other towers.  
Everything is OSPF but logically...

Tower R (the main remote tower - a 190 ft. Rohn 25G with several anti-twist 
devices) is fed by...
Tower A - 26 miles away - UBNT 3.65ghz Rocket M5 AND a Mikrotik RB912 5 
Ghz
This commercial tower (Tower A) has over 300Mbit of usable 
bandwidth and feeds about 75 to 85 Mbit to Tower A
Tower B - 9 miles away - UBNT 5ghz Rocket M5
This tower (Tower B) is a 90 ft. Rohn 25G   

Tower R then feeds...
Tower C - 12 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 50 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
Tower D - 15 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
Tower E - 17 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
Tower F - 14 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)

To get all this to work without Sync was quite a frequency juggling act.  There 
are other towers in the area and towers C, D, E, F connect (chain) to each 
other on the back side and we use a couple 3.65Ghz UBNT radios on the 
backside links.

The challenge...

First of all, I need more BW to each tower, but mostly Tower C.  And, I need 
better consistency... at times the links do not perform as I expect and then I 
get customer complaints etc. I hate that.  

So, what would be the best solution that Cambium can recommend other than a ton 
of licensed links?  Obviously, the gear I am using now is inexpensive.

The PTP110 solution ... 2ms unsyncedcan it sync, now or tomorrow?   
Latency with sync?

Paul


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

 Hi,

 Please allow me to clarify.

 The Force 110 uses the Connectorized UnSync'd unit with the two 10/100 FE 
 ports.

 The Force 110 PTP uses the Connectorized GPS Sync'd unit with the 
 single GigE port that supports 802.3af PoE in addition to proprietary PoE. 
 GPS capabilities will be disabled (but the radio can still use the on board 
 GPS chip to track satellites and provide coordinates).

 The 2ms latency is achieved purely through software changes in Release 2.4 
 and will apply to both products.

Reading this spec sheet.

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/files/PRODUCTS/ePMP/FORCE/Force%20110%20PTP_Oct2014.pdf

LATENCY (nominal, one way)  2 ms (PTP Mode), 6 ms (Flexible Frame 
Mode) , 17 ms (GPS Sync Mode)

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Josh Luthman via Af]

It'll sync with other force 110 ptp radios.  You'd have to replace all your
MTs for sync to factor in.  Or just unsync and get more bandwidth.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 22, 2014 12:31 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 For Cambium we have a very remote tower that feeds several other
 towers.  Everything is OSPF but logically...

 Tower R (the main remote tower - a 190 ft. Rohn 25G with several
 anti-twist devices) is fed by...
 Tower A - 26 miles away - UBNT 3.65ghz Rocket M5 AND a Mikrotik
 RB912 5 Ghz
 This commercial tower (Tower A) has over 300Mbit of usable
 bandwidth and feeds about 75 to 85 Mbit to Tower A
 Tower B - 9 miles away - UBNT 5ghz Rocket M5
 This tower (Tower B) is a 90 ft. Rohn 25G

 Tower R then feeds...
 Tower C - 12 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 50 Mbit of
 usable bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
 Tower D - 15 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of
 usable bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
 Tower E - 17 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of
 usable bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
 Tower F - 14 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of
 usable bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)

 To get all this to work without Sync was quite a frequency juggling act.
 There are other towers in the area and towers C, D, E, F connect (chain) to
 each other on the back side and we use a couple 3.65Ghz UBNT radios on
 the backside links.

 The challenge...

 First of all, I need more BW to each tower, but mostly Tower C.  And, I
 need better consistency... at times the links do not perform as I expect
 and then I get customer complaints etc. I hate that.

 So, what would be the best solution that Cambium can recommend other than
 a ton of licensed links?  Obviously, the gear I am using now is inexpensive.

 The PTP110 solution ... 2ms unsyncedcan it sync, now or tomorrow?
  Latency with sync?

 Paul


 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:47 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

  Hi,
 
  Please allow me to clarify.
 
  The Force 110 uses the Connectorized UnSync'd unit with the two 10/100
 FE ports.
 
  The Force 110 PTP uses the Connectorized GPS Sync'd unit with the
  single GigE port that supports 802.3af PoE in addition to proprietary
 PoE. GPS capabilities will be disabled (but the radio can still use the on
 board GPS chip to track satellites and provide coordinates).
 
  The 2ms latency is achieved purely through software changes in Release
 2.4 and will apply to both products.

 Reading this spec sheet.


 http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/files/PRODUCTS/ePMP/FORCE/Force%20110%20PTP_Oct2014.pdf

 LATENCY (nominal, one way)  2 ms (PTP Mode), 6 ms (Flexible Frame
 Mode) , 17 ms (GPS Sync Mode)

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Gino Villarini via Af]

To syn you need to use APs on the master side, latency will jump to 20ms
avgŠ. Just use ptp450¹s!



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com  
@aeronetpr






On 11/22/14, 1:31 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

For Cambium we have a very remote tower that feeds several other
towers.  Everything is OSPF but logically...

Tower R (the main remote tower - a 190 ft. Rohn 25G with several
anti-twist devices) is fed by...
   Tower A - 26 miles away - UBNT 3.65ghz Rocket M5 AND a Mikrotik RB912 5
Ghz
   This commercial tower (Tower A) has over 300Mbit of usable 
 bandwidth
and feeds about 75 to 85 Mbit to Tower A
   Tower B - 9 miles away - UBNT 5ghz Rocket M5
   This tower (Tower B) is a 90 ft. Rohn 25G   

Tower R then feeds...
   Tower C - 12 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 50 Mbit of usable
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
   Tower D - 15 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
   Tower E - 17 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
   Tower F - 14 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)

To get all this to work without Sync was quite a frequency juggling act.
There are other towers in the area and towers C, D, E, F connect (chain)
to each other on the back side and we use a couple 3.65Ghz UBNT radios
on the backside links.

The challenge...

First of all, I need more BW to each tower, but mostly Tower C.  And, I
need better consistency... at times the links do not perform as I expect
and then I get customer complaints etc. I hate that.

So, what would be the best solution that Cambium can recommend other than
a ton of licensed links?  Obviously, the gear I am using now is
inexpensive.

The PTP110 solution ... 2ms unsyncedcan it sync, now or tomorrow?
  Latency with sync?

Paul


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

 Hi,

 Please allow me to clarify.

 The Force 110 uses the Connectorized UnSync'd unit with the two 10/100
FE ports.

 The Force 110 PTP uses the Connectorized GPS Sync'd unit with the
 single GigE port that supports 802.3af PoE in addition to proprietary
PoE. GPS capabilities will be disabled (but the radio can still use the
on board GPS chip to track satellites and provide coordinates).

 The 2ms latency is achieved purely through software changes in Release
2.4 and will apply to both products.

Reading this spec sheet.

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/files/PRODUCTS/ePMP/FORCE/Force%20110%20PTP
_Oct2014.pdf

LATENCY (nominal, one way)  2 ms (PTP Mode), 6 ms (Flexible Frame
Mode) , 17 ms (GPS Sync Mode)

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af]

The 110 PTP unit has sync on board...disabled...expect that's to keep us from 
buying that unit and swapping the radios for a connectorized unit without sync. 
 :-)

I expect that, like the connectorized radio without sync, that you can take 
sync from a different source, like a CMM4.


Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

 On Nov 22, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 For Cambium we have a very remote tower that feeds several other towers.  
 Everything is OSPF but logically...
 
 Tower R (the main remote tower - a 190 ft. Rohn 25G with several anti-twist 
 devices) is fed by...
Tower A - 26 miles away - UBNT 3.65ghz Rocket M5 AND a Mikrotik RB912 5 Ghz
This commercial tower (Tower A) has over 300Mbit of usable bandwidth 
 and feeds about 75 to 85 Mbit to Tower A
Tower B - 9 miles away - UBNT 5ghz Rocket M5
This tower (Tower B) is a 90 ft. Rohn 25G
 
 Tower R then feeds...
Tower C - 12 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 50 Mbit of usable 
 bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
Tower D - 15 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
 bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
Tower E - 17 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
 bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
Tower F - 14 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
 bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
 
 To get all this to work without Sync was quite a frequency juggling act.  
 There are other towers in the area and towers C, D, E, F connect (chain) to 
 each other on the back side and we use a couple 3.65Ghz UBNT radios on the 
 backside links.
 
 The challenge...
 
 First of all, I need more BW to each tower, but mostly Tower C.  And, I need 
 better consistency... at times the links do not perform as I expect and then 
 I get customer complaints etc. I hate that.  
 
 So, what would be the best solution that Cambium can recommend other than a 
 ton of licensed links?  Obviously, the gear I am using now is inexpensive.
 
 The PTP110 solution ... 2ms unsyncedcan it sync, now or tomorrow?   
 Latency with sync?
 
 Paul
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:47 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force
 
 Hi,
 
 Please allow me to clarify.
 
 The Force 110 uses the Connectorized UnSync'd unit with the two 10/100 FE 
 ports.
 
 The Force 110 PTP uses the Connectorized GPS Sync'd unit with the 
 single GigE port that supports 802.3af PoE in addition to proprietary PoE. 
 GPS capabilities will be disabled (but the radio can still use the on board 
 GPS chip to track satellites and provide coordinates).
 
 The 2ms latency is achieved purely through software changes in Release 2.4 
 and will apply to both products.
 
 Reading this spec sheet.
 
 http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/files/PRODUCTS/ePMP/FORCE/Force%20110%20PTP_Oct2014.pdf
 
 LATENCY (nominal, one way)  2 ms (PTP Mode), 6 ms (Flexible Frame 
 Mode) , 17 ms (GPS Sync Mode)

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Gino Villarini via Af]

It's for the lower price point..

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini



On Nov 22, 2014, at 1:37 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:

The 110 PTP unit has sync on board...disabled...expect that's to keep us from 
buying that unit and swapping the radios for a connectorized unit without sync. 
 :-)

I expect that, like the connectorized radio without sync, that you can take 
sync from a different source, like a CMM4.


Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.commailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Nov 22, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Paul McCall via Af 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:

For Cambium we have a very remote tower that feeds several other towers.  
Everything is OSPF but logically...

Tower R (the main remote tower - a 190 ft. Rohn 25G with several anti-twist 
devices) is fed by...
   Tower A - 26 miles away - UBNT 3.65ghz Rocket M5 AND a Mikrotik RB912 5 Ghz
   This commercial tower (Tower A) has over 300Mbit of usable bandwidth and 
feeds about 75 to 85 Mbit to Tower A
   Tower B - 9 miles away - UBNT 5ghz Rocket M5
   This tower (Tower B) is a 90 ft. Rohn 25G

Tower R then feeds...
   Tower C - 12 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 50 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
   Tower D - 15 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
   Tower E - 17 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
   Tower F - 14 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)

To get all this to work without Sync was quite a frequency juggling act.  There 
are other towers in the area and towers C, D, E, F connect (chain) to each 
other on the back side and we use a couple 3.65Ghz UBNT radios on the 
backside links.

The challenge...

First of all, I need more BW to each tower, but mostly Tower C.  And, I need 
better consistency... at times the links do not perform as I expect and then I 
get customer complaints etc. I hate that.

So, what would be the best solution that Cambium can recommend other than a ton 
of licensed links?  Obviously, the gear I am using now is inexpensive.

The PTP110 solution ... 2ms unsyncedcan it sync, now or tomorrow?   
Latency with sync?

Paul


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:47 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

Hi,

Please allow me to clarify.

The Force 110 uses the Connectorized UnSync'd unit with the two 10/100 FE ports.

The Force 110 PTP uses the Connectorized GPS Sync'd unit with the
single GigE port that supports 802.3af PoE in addition to proprietary PoE. GPS 
capabilities will be disabled (but the radio can still use the on board GPS 
chip to track satellites and provide coordinates).

The 2ms latency is achieved purely through software changes in Release 2.4 and 
will apply to both products.

Reading this spec sheet.

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/files/PRODUCTS/ePMP/FORCE/Force%20110%20PTP_Oct2014.pdf

LATENCY (nominal, one way)  2 ms (PTP Mode), 6 ms (Flexible Frame
Mode) , 17 ms (GPS Sync Mode)

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Paul McCall via Af]

Jeff,

It looks like you are saying that the connectorized radios withouth sync CAN 
indeed get sync from external source, CMM3, CMM4, sync injector.

I wasn’t aware that was the case

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists via 
Af
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 12:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

The 110 PTP unit has sync on board...disabled...expect that's to keep us from 
buying that unit and swapping the radios for a connectorized unit without sync. 
 :-)

I expect that, like the connectorized radio without sync, that you can take 
sync from a different source, like a CMM4.


Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.commailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Nov 22, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Paul McCall via Af 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
For Cambium we have a very remote tower that feeds several other towers.  
Everything is OSPF but logically...

Tower R (the main remote tower - a 190 ft. Rohn 25G with several anti-twist 
devices) is fed by...
   Tower A - 26 miles away - UBNT 3.65ghz Rocket M5 AND a Mikrotik RB912 5 Ghz
   This commercial tower (Tower A) has over 300Mbit of usable bandwidth and 
feeds about 75 to 85 Mbit to Tower A
   Tower B - 9 miles away - UBNT 5ghz Rocket M5
   This tower (Tower B) is a 90 ft. Rohn 25G

Tower R then feeds...
   Tower C - 12 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 50 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
   Tower D - 15 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
   Tower E - 17 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
   Tower F - 14 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)

To get all this to work without Sync was quite a frequency juggling act.  There 
are other towers in the area and towers C, D, E, F connect (chain) to each 
other on the back side and we use a couple 3.65Ghz UBNT radios on the 
backside links.

The challenge...

First of all, I need more BW to each tower, but mostly Tower C.  And, I need 
better consistency... at times the links do not perform as I expect and then I 
get customer complaints etc. I hate that.

So, what would be the best solution that Cambium can recommend other than a ton 
of licensed links?  Obviously, the gear I am using now is inexpensive.

The PTP110 solution ... 2ms unsyncedcan it sync, now or tomorrow?   
Latency with sync?

Paul


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:47 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force


Hi,

Please allow me to clarify.

The Force 110 uses the Connectorized UnSync'd unit with the two 10/100 FE ports.

The Force 110 PTP uses the Connectorized GPS Sync'd unit with the
single GigE port that supports 802.3af PoE in addition to proprietary PoE. GPS 
capabilities will be disabled (but the radio can still use the on board GPS 
chip to track satellites and provide coordinates).

The 2ms latency is achieved purely through software changes in Release 2.4 and 
will apply to both products.

Reading this spec sheet.

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/files/PRODUCTS/ePMP/FORCE/Force%20110%20PTP_Oct2014.pdf


LATENCY (nominal, one way)  2 ms (PTP Mode), 6 ms (Flexible Frame
Mode) , 17 ms (GPS Sync Mode)

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af]

That's what I learned in training this week.  There are known issues with the 
CMM3 and ePMP, but there is a workaround.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

 On Nov 22, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 Jeff,
  
 It looks like you are saying that the connectorized radios withouth sync CAN 
 indeed get sync from external source, CMM3, CMM4, sync injector.
  
 I wasn’t aware that was the case
  
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
 via Af
 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 12:36 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force
  
 The 110 PTP unit has sync on board...disabled...expect that's to keep us from 
 buying that unit and swapping the radios for a connectorized unit without 
 sync.  :-)
  
 I expect that, like the connectorized radio without sync, that you can take 
 sync from a different source, like a CMM4.
  
 
 Jeff Broadwick
 ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
 312-205-2519 Office
 574-220-7826 Cell
 jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
 
 On Nov 22, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 For Cambium we have a very remote tower that feeds several other towers.  
 Everything is OSPF but logically...
 
 Tower R (the main remote tower - a 190 ft. Rohn 25G with several anti-twist 
 devices) is fed by...
Tower A - 26 miles away - UBNT 3.65ghz Rocket M5 AND a Mikrotik RB912 5 Ghz
This commercial tower (Tower A) has over 300Mbit of usable bandwidth 
 and feeds about 75 to 85 Mbit to Tower A
Tower B - 9 miles away - UBNT 5ghz Rocket M5
This tower (Tower B) is a 90 ft. Rohn 25G
 
 Tower R then feeds...
Tower C - 12 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 50 Mbit of usable 
 bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
Tower D - 15 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
 bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
Tower E - 17 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
 bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
Tower F - 14 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
 bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
 
 To get all this to work without Sync was quite a frequency juggling act.  
 There are other towers in the area and towers C, D, E, F connect (chain) to 
 each other on the back side and we use a couple 3.65Ghz UBNT radios on the 
 backside links.
 
 The challenge...
 
 First of all, I need more BW to each tower, but mostly Tower C.  And, I need 
 better consistency... at times the links do not perform as I expect and then 
 I get customer complaints etc. I hate that.  
 
 So, what would be the best solution that Cambium can recommend other than a 
 ton of licensed links?  Obviously, the gear I am using now is inexpensive.
 
 The PTP110 solution ... 2ms unsyncedcan it sync, now or tomorrow?   
 Latency with sync?
 
 Paul
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:47 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force
 
 
 Hi,
  
 Please allow me to clarify.
  
 The Force 110 uses the Connectorized UnSync'd unit with the two 10/100 FE 
 ports.
  
 The Force 110 PTP uses the Connectorized GPS Sync'd unit with the
 single GigE port that supports 802.3af PoE in addition to proprietary PoE. 
 GPS capabilities will be disabled (but the radio can still use the on board 
 GPS chip to track satellites and provide coordinates).
  
 The 2ms latency is achieved purely through software changes in Release 2.4 
 and will apply to both products.
 
 Reading this spec sheet.
 
 http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/files/PRODUCTS/ePMP/FORCE/Force%20110%20PTP_Oct2014.pdf
 
 
 LATENCY (nominal, one way)  2 ms (PTP Mode), 6 ms (Flexible Frame
 Mode) , 17 ms (GPS Sync Mode)

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Gino Villarini via Af]

I don't think either

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini



On Nov 22, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Paul McCall via Af 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:

Jeff,

It looks like you are saying that the connectorized radios withouth sync CAN 
indeed get sync from external source, CMM3, CMM4, sync injector.

I wasn’t aware that was the case

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists via 
Af
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 12:36 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

The 110 PTP unit has sync on board...disabled...expect that's to keep us from 
buying that unit and swapping the radios for a connectorized unit without sync. 
 :-)

I expect that, like the connectorized radio without sync, that you can take 
sync from a different source, like a CMM4.


Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.commailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Nov 22, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Paul McCall via Af 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
For Cambium we have a very remote tower that feeds several other towers.  
Everything is OSPF but logically...

Tower R (the main remote tower - a 190 ft. Rohn 25G with several anti-twist 
devices) is fed by...
   Tower A - 26 miles away - UBNT 3.65ghz Rocket M5 AND a Mikrotik RB912 5 Ghz
   This commercial tower (Tower A) has over 300Mbit of usable bandwidth and 
feeds about 75 to 85 Mbit to Tower A
   Tower B - 9 miles away - UBNT 5ghz Rocket M5
   This tower (Tower B) is a 90 ft. Rohn 25G

Tower R then feeds...
   Tower C - 12 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 50 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
   Tower D - 15 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
   Tower E - 17 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
   Tower F - 14 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)

To get all this to work without Sync was quite a frequency juggling act.  There 
are other towers in the area and towers C, D, E, F connect (chain) to each 
other on the back side and we use a couple 3.65Ghz UBNT radios on the 
backside links.

The challenge...

First of all, I need more BW to each tower, but mostly Tower C.  And, I need 
better consistency... at times the links do not perform as I expect and then I 
get customer complaints etc. I hate that.

So, what would be the best solution that Cambium can recommend other than a ton 
of licensed links?  Obviously, the gear I am using now is inexpensive.

The PTP110 solution ... 2ms unsyncedcan it sync, now or tomorrow?   
Latency with sync?

Paul


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:47 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force


Hi,

Please allow me to clarify.

The Force 110 uses the Connectorized UnSync'd unit with the two 10/100 FE ports.

The Force 110 PTP uses the Connectorized GPS Sync'd unit with the
single GigE port that supports 802.3af PoE in addition to proprietary PoE. GPS 
capabilities will be disabled (but the radio can still use the on board GPS 
chip to track satellites and provide coordinates).

The 2ms latency is achieved purely through software changes in Release 2.4 and 
will apply to both products.

Reading this spec sheet.

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/files/PRODUCTS/ePMP/FORCE/Force%20110%20PTP_Oct2014.pdf


LATENCY (nominal, one way)  2 ms (PTP Mode), 6 ms (Flexible Frame
Mode) , 17 ms (GPS Sync Mode)

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af]

Yes in training it was confirmed that the ePmP can get power and sync through 
CMM 34 but the 3 may be tricky to workaround. 

Also you can gps time your PTP link but it wasn't recommend.  You should use 
the Mac level for your ptp 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 22, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 Jeff,
  
 It looks like you are saying that the connectorized radios withouth sync CAN 
 indeed get sync from external source, CMM3, CMM4, sync injector.
  
 I wasn’t aware that was the case
  
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
 via Af
 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 12:36 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force
  
 The 110 PTP unit has sync on board...disabled...expect that's to keep us from 
 buying that unit and swapping the radios for a connectorized unit without 
 sync.  :-)
  
 I expect that, like the connectorized radio without sync, that you can take 
 sync from a different source, like a CMM4.
  
 
 Jeff Broadwick
 ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
 312-205-2519 Office
 574-220-7826 Cell
 jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
 
 On Nov 22, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 For Cambium we have a very remote tower that feeds several other towers.  
 Everything is OSPF but logically...
 
 Tower R (the main remote tower - a 190 ft. Rohn 25G with several anti-twist 
 devices) is fed by...
Tower A - 26 miles away - UBNT 3.65ghz Rocket M5 AND a Mikrotik RB912 5 Ghz
This commercial tower (Tower A) has over 300Mbit of usable bandwidth 
 and feeds about 75 to 85 Mbit to Tower A
Tower B - 9 miles away - UBNT 5ghz Rocket M5
This tower (Tower B) is a 90 ft. Rohn 25G
 
 Tower R then feeds...
Tower C - 12 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 50 Mbit of usable 
 bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
Tower D - 15 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
 bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
Tower E - 17 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
 bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
Tower F - 14 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
 bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
 
 To get all this to work without Sync was quite a frequency juggling act.  
 There are other towers in the area and towers C, D, E, F connect (chain) to 
 each other on the back side and we use a couple 3.65Ghz UBNT radios on the 
 backside links.
 
 The challenge...
 
 First of all, I need more BW to each tower, but mostly Tower C.  And, I need 
 better consistency... at times the links do not perform as I expect and then 
 I get customer complaints etc. I hate that.  
 
 So, what would be the best solution that Cambium can recommend other than a 
 ton of licensed links?  Obviously, the gear I am using now is inexpensive.
 
 The PTP110 solution ... 2ms unsyncedcan it sync, now or tomorrow?   
 Latency with sync?
 
 Paul
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:47 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force
 
 
 Hi,
  
 Please allow me to clarify.
  
 The Force 110 uses the Connectorized UnSync'd unit with the two 10/100 FE 
 ports.
  
 The Force 110 PTP uses the Connectorized GPS Sync'd unit with the
 single GigE port that supports 802.3af PoE in addition to proprietary PoE. 
 GPS capabilities will be disabled (but the radio can still use the on board 
 GPS chip to track satellites and provide coordinates).
  
 The 2ms latency is achieved purely through software changes in Release 2.4 
 and will apply to both products.
 
 Reading this spec sheet.
 
 http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/files/PRODUCTS/ePMP/FORCE/Force%20110%20PTP_Oct2014.pdf
 
 
 LATENCY (nominal, one way)  2 ms (PTP Mode), 6 ms (Flexible Frame
 Mode) , 17 ms (GPS Sync Mode)

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Matt via Af]

 Hi,

 Please allow me to clarify.

 The Force 110 uses the Connectorized UnSync'd unit with the two 10/100 FE 
 ports.

 The Force 110 PTP uses the Connectorized GPS Sync'd unit with the single GigE 
 port that supports 802.3af PoE in addition to proprietary
 PoE. GPS capabilities will be disabled (but the radio can still use the on 
 board GPS chip to track satellites and provide coordinates).

 The 2ms latency is achieved purely through software changes in Release 2.4 
 and will apply to both products.

Reading this spec sheet.

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/files/PRODUCTS/ePMP/FORCE/Force%20110%20PTP_Oct2014.pdf

LATENCY (nominal, one way)  2 ms (PTP Mode), 6 ms (Flexible Frame Mode) , 
17 ms (GPS Sync Mode)

[AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Matt via Af]

Anyone got there hands on an ePMP Force yet?  Curious on actual
latency and throughput with GPS enabled.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Gino Villarini via Af]

Exactly, the force110 based PTP does not include GPS sync



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 at 7:24 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force


The same as any another SM?  It's just a connectorized radio with 25db dish.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 19, 2014 6:19 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com 
wrote:
Anyone got there hands on an ePMP Force yet?  Curious on actual
latency and throughput with GPS enabled.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Josh Luthman via Af]

And different firmware!!!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 19, 2014 7:23 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Exactly, the force110 based PTP does not include GPS sync



  Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr



   From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 at 7:24 PM
 To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

   The same as any another SM?  It's just a connectorized radio with 25db
 dish.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Nov 19, 2014 6:19 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Anyone got there hands on an ePMP Force yet?  Curious on actual
 latency and throughput with GPS enabled.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Mathew Howard via Af]

The Force110 PTP is different than a normal SM... it's supposed to be the same 
hardware as the Synced APs, but without the GPS, so it has gigabit and whatnot.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 6:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force


And different firmware!!!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 19, 2014 7:23 PM, Gino Villarini via Af 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
Exactly, the force110 based PTP does not include GPS sync



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 at 7:24 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force


The same as any another SM?  It's just a connectorized radio with 25db dish.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 19, 2014 6:19 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com 
wrote:
Anyone got there hands on an ePMP Force yet?  Curious on actual
latency and throughput with GPS enabled.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Josh Luthman via Af]

There's a force110 and a force110 PTP.  The former is just a normal
connectorized SM with dish.  The latter is a different firmware and can
sync.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 7:39 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  The Force110 PTP is different than a normal SM... it's supposed to be
 the same hardware as the Synced APs, but without the GPS, so it has gigabit
 and whatnot.

  --
 *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [
 af@afmug.com]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 19, 2014 6:26 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

   And different firmware!!!

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Nov 19, 2014 7:23 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Exactly, the force110 based PTP does not include GPS sync



  Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr



   From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 at 7:24 PM
 To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

   The same as any another SM?  It's just a connectorized radio with 25db
 dish.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Nov 19, 2014 6:19 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Anyone got there hands on an ePMP Force yet?  Curious on actual
 latency and throughput with GPS enabled.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Matt via Af]

 Exactly, the force110 based PTP does not include GPS sync


The Force 110 PTP PDF spec sheet states GPS sync.


 The same as any another SM?  It's just a connectorized radio with 25db dish.


 Anyone got there hands on an ePMP Force yet?  Curious on actual
 latency and throughput with GPS enabled.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Josh Luthman via Af]

The ptp, yes.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 19, 2014 7:54 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Exactly, the force110 based PTP does not include GPS sync
 

 The Force 110 PTP PDF spec sheet states GPS sync.

 
  The same as any another SM?  It's just a connectorized radio with 25db
 dish.
 

  Anyone got there hands on an ePMP Force yet?  Curious on actual
  latency and throughput with GPS enabled.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Matt via Af]

 The ptp, yes.

Oops, I forgot to include ePMP PTP Force 110 in my question.  Anyone
got there hands on them yet?  Spec sheet says 17ms latency with GPS
enabled in PTP.  Was really hoping for less then that.



  Exactly, the force110 based PTP does not include GPS sync
 

 The Force 110 PTP PDF spec sheet states GPS sync.

 
  The same as any another SM?  It's just a connectorized radio with 25db
  dish.
 

  Anyone got there hands on an ePMP Force yet?  Curious on actual
  latency and throughput with GPS enabled.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Josh Luthman via Af]

2ms check again

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/spec-sheets/epmp_force110_ptp_specs/epmp_force110_ptp_specs-2

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 19, 2014 7:59 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  The ptp, yes.

 Oops, I forgot to include ePMP PTP Force 110 in my question.  Anyone
 got there hands on them yet?  Spec sheet says 17ms latency with GPS
 enabled in PTP.  Was really hoping for less then that.



   Exactly, the force110 based PTP does not include GPS sync
  
 
  The Force 110 PTP PDF spec sheet states GPS sync.
 
  
   The same as any another SM?  It's just a connectorized radio with 25db
   dish.
  
 
   Anyone got there hands on an ePMP Force yet?  Curious on actual
   latency and throughput with GPS enabled.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Mathew Howard via Af]

Isn't the 2ms without sync?


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force


2ms check again

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/spec-sheets/epmp_force110_ptp_specs/epmp_force110_ptp_specs-2

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 19, 2014 7:59 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com 
wrote:
 The ptp, yes.

Oops, I forgot to include ePMP PTP Force 110 in my question.  Anyone
got there hands on them yet?  Spec sheet says 17ms latency with GPS
enabled in PTP.  Was really hoping for less then that.



  Exactly, the force110 based PTP does not include GPS sync
 

 The Force 110 PTP PDF spec sheet states GPS sync.

 
  The same as any another SM?  It's just a connectorized radio with 25db
  dish.
 

  Anyone got there hands on an ePMP Force yet?  Curious on actual
  latency and throughput with GPS enabled.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Josh Luthman via Af]

17ms can be done now though, that would be lame.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 19, 2014 8:29 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Isn't the 2ms without sync?

  --
 *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [
 af@afmug.com]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:04 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

   2ms check again


 http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/spec-sheets/epmp_force110_ptp_specs/epmp_force110_ptp_specs-2

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Nov 19, 2014 7:59 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  The ptp, yes.

 Oops, I forgot to include ePMP PTP Force 110 in my question.  Anyone
 got there hands on them yet?  Spec sheet says 17ms latency with GPS
 enabled in PTP.  Was really hoping for less then that.



   Exactly, the force110 based PTP does not include GPS sync
  
 
  The Force 110 PTP PDF spec sheet states GPS sync.
 
  
   The same as any another SM?  It's just a connectorized radio with
 25db
   dish.
  
 
   Anyone got there hands on an ePMP Force yet?  Curious on actual
   latency and throughput with GPS enabled.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Sriram Chaturvedi via Af]

Hi,


Please allow me to clarify.


The Force 110 uses the Connectorized UnSync'd unit with the two 10/100 FE ports.


The Force 110 PTP uses the Connectorized GPS Sync'd unit with the single GigE 
port that supports 802.3af PoE in addition to proprietary PoE. GPS capabilities 
will be disabled (but the radio can still use the on board GPS chip to track 
satellites and provide coordinates).


The 2ms latency is achieved purely through software changes in Release 2.4 and 
will apply to both products.


There's more being discussed in this thread: 
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-1000/ePmP-Force-110/m-p/35810#U35810?

ePmP; Force 110 - Cambium Networks Community
I'm looking at the specs for the Force 110 and I see it says the radio can 
achieve 150 Mbs of real data throughput. Then I see the ethernet connect...
Read 
more...http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-1000/ePmP-Force-110/m-p/35810#U35810



Thanks,

Sriram



From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

Isn't the 2ms without sync?


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force


2ms check again

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/spec-sheets/epmp_force110_ptp_specs/epmp_force110_ptp_specs-2

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 19, 2014 7:59 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com 
wrote:
 The ptp, yes.

Oops, I forgot to include ePMP PTP Force 110 in my question.  Anyone
got there hands on them yet?  Spec sheet says 17ms latency with GPS
enabled in PTP.  Was really hoping for less then that.



  Exactly, the force110 based PTP does not include GPS sync
 

 The Force 110 PTP PDF spec sheet states GPS sync.

 
  The same as any another SM?  It's just a connectorized radio with 25db
  dish.
 

  Anyone got there hands on an ePMP Force yet?  Curious on actual
  latency and throughput with GPS enabled.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Mike Hammett via Af]

It's not going to be any different. The software release that comes out about 
that time makes the different performance differences... other than having a 
GigE interface... 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Matt via Af af@afmug.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 5:19:44 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 

Anyone got there hands on an ePMP Force yet? Curious on actual 
latency and throughput with GPS enabled. 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Mike Hammett via Af]

The 2 ms is with or without sync on 2.4? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Sriram Chaturvedi via Af af@afmug.com 
To: Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 8:03:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 



Hi, 



Please allow me to clarify. 



The Force 110 uses the Connectorized UnSync'd unit with the two 10/100 FE 
ports. 



The Force 110 PTP uses the Connectorized GPS Sync'd unit with the single GigE 
port that supports 802.3af PoE in addition to proprietary PoE. GPS capabilities 
will be disabled (but the radio can still use the on board GPS chip to track 
satellites and provide coordinates). 



The 2ms latency is achieved purely through software changes in Release 2.4 and 
will apply to both products. 



There's more being discussed in this thread: 
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-1000/ePmP-Force-110/m-p/35810#U35810
  


ePmP; Force 110 - Cambium Networks Community 
I'm looking at the specs for the Force 110 and I see it says the radio can 
achieve 150 Mbs of real data throughput. Then I see the ethernet connect... 
Read more... 



Thanks, 

Sriram 





From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Mathew Howard via Af 
af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:29 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 



Isn't the 2ms without sync? 




From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:04 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 




2ms check again 
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/spec-sheets/epmp_force110_ptp_specs/epmp_force110_ptp_specs-2
 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Nov 19, 2014 7:59 PM, Matt via Af  af@afmug.com  wrote: 


 The ptp, yes. 

Oops, I forgot to include ePMP PTP Force 110 in my question. Anyone 
got there hands on them yet? Spec sheet says 17ms latency with GPS 
enabled in PTP. Was really hoping for less then that. 



  Exactly, the force110 based PTP does not include GPS sync 
  
 
 The Force 110 PTP PDF spec sheet states GPS sync. 
 
  
  The same as any another SM? It's just a connectorized radio with 25db 
  dish. 
  
 
  Anyone got there hands on an ePMP Force yet? Curious on actual 
  latency and throughput with GPS enabled. 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[John Butler via Af]

2 ms is without sync

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 8:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

The 2 ms is with or without sync on 2.4?


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: Sriram Chaturvedi via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
To: Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 8:03:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

Hi,



Please allow me to clarify.



The Force 110 uses the Connectorized UnSync'd unit with the two 10/100 FE ports.



The Force 110 PTP uses the Connectorized GPS Sync'd unit with the single GigE 
port that supports 802.3af PoE in addition to proprietary PoE. GPS capabilities 
will be disabled (but the radio can still use the on board GPS chip to track 
satellites and provide coordinates).



The 2ms latency is achieved purely through software changes in Release 2.4 and 
will apply to both products.



There's more being discussed in this thread: 
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-1000/ePmP-Force-110/m-p/35810#U35810​
ePmP; Force 110 - Cambium Networks Community
I'm looking at the specs for the Force 110 and I see it says the radio can 
achieve 150 Mbs of real data throughput. Then I see the ethernet connect...
Read 
more...http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-1000/ePmP-Force-110/m-p/35810#U35810




Thanks,

Sriram




From: Af af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of 
Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:29 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

Isn't the 2ms without sync?


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:04 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

2ms check again

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/spec-sheets/epmp_force110_ptp_specs/epmp_force110_ptp_specs-2

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 19, 2014 7:59 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com 
wrote:
 The ptp, yes.

Oops, I forgot to include ePMP PTP Force 110 in my question.  Anyone
got there hands on them yet?  Spec sheet says 17ms latency with GPS
enabled in PTP.  Was really hoping for less then that.



  Exactly, the force110 based PTP does not include GPS sync
 

 The Force 110 PTP PDF spec sheet states GPS sync.

 
  The same as any another SM?  It's just a connectorized radio with 25db
  dish.
 

  Anyone got there hands on an ePMP Force yet?  Curious on actual
  latency and throughput with GPS enabled.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Mike Hammett via Af]

I know that reduced sync latency was on the menu. What Q should we expect that 
in? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: John Butler via Af af@afmug.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:24:38 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 



2 ms is without sync 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 8:12 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 


The 2 ms is with or without sync on 2.4? 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 




- Original Message -


From: Sriram Chaturvedi via Af  af@afmug.com  
To: Mathew Howard via Af  af@afmug.com  
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 8:03:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 

Hi, 

Please allow me to clarify. 

The Force 110 uses the Connectorized UnSync'd unit with the two 10/100 FE 
ports. 

The Force 110 PTP uses the Connectorized GPS Sync'd unit with the single GigE 
port that supports 802.3af PoE in addition to proprietary PoE. GPS capabilities 
will be disabled (but the radio can still use the on board GPS chip to track 
satellites and provide coordinates). 

The 2ms latency is achieved purely through software changes in Release 2.4 and 
will apply to both products. 

There's more being discussed in this thread: 
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-1000/ePmP-Force-110/m-p/35810#U35810
  



ePmP; Force 110 - Cambium Networks Community 

I'm looking at the specs for the Force 110 and I see it says the radio can 
achieve 150 Mbs of real data throughput. Then I see the ethernet connect... 

Read more... 

Thanks, 
Sriram 





From: Af  af-boun...@afmug.com  on behalf of Mathew Howard via Af  
af@afmug.com  
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:29 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 





Isn't the 2ms without sync? 





From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:04 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 

2ms check again 
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/spec-sheets/epmp_force110_ptp_specs/epmp_force110_ptp_specs-2
 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Nov 19, 2014 7:59 PM, Matt via Af  af@afmug.com  wrote: 
 The ptp, yes. 

Oops, I forgot to include ePMP PTP Force 110 in my question. Anyone 
got there hands on them yet? Spec sheet says 17ms latency with GPS 
enabled in PTP. Was really hoping for less then that. 



  Exactly, the force110 based PTP does not include GPS sync 
  
 
 The Force 110 PTP PDF spec sheet states GPS sync. 
 
  
  The same as any another SM? It's just a connectorized radio with 25db 
  dish. 
  
 
  Anyone got there hands on an ePMP Force yet? Curious on actual 
  latency and throughput with GPS enabled. 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP

[John Butler via Af]

Been away from email for a few days.  Just getting back to responding now.

One could always connect the GPS Sync AP radio to the Force dish and have a GPS 
Sync’ed PTP radio.
That is supported.  We do not at this time plan to offer a bundled solution 
that provides that.
Latency is higher when you use GPS Sync as opposed to the Flexible Mode of 
operation.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 3:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP

Will there be an option to use the GPS sync with the PTP110?  If so what kind 
of latency will we get?


On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 2:56 PM, John Butler via Af 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
Hi George:  I want to clear up your questions about the Force product.

The Force 110 (C058900C042A (FCC)) is as the spec sheet describes - a radio 
module and the dish.  You can buy the radio and the dish separately,  but when 
you buy them bundle as the Force,  the price is better.  We do not offer a 
radome for it at this time.

The Force 110 PTP is the same dish,  but bundled with the radio that we also 
use for the GPS Sync AP.  The GPS is turned off.  The benefit of this radio 
over the Force 110 is the 802.3af compliant gigabit Ethernet port.

Regards,

John Butler


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 6:11 PM

To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP

So the 110 PTP uses the GPS radio, or is it a different radio with sync over 
power only and no on-board GPS? I thought I remember reading that, but I could 
be totally wrong.

A distro rep just told us today that the Force 110 is due in Thrusday or 
Friday. I have a couple links I want to do with these instead of UBNT. If the 
110 won't be available for 3-4 weeks, that's going to suck. And all the 
complaints about assembly of the Force 100, so I don't want to go there.

And the distro's seem to be confused about the parts. The Force 110 spec sheet 
says: C058900C042A (FCC) – consists of a ePMP Radio Module 
[C058900A122A/C058900P122A] and ePMP Dish Antenna [C050900D007B].. and the rep 
said that's only the dish, the radio is extra. I find that hard to believe. And 
now I'm confused too.

Oh, and do these things come with a radome? That would be nice, but I'm 
guessing no.

On 10/21/2014 6:00 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
Ah, I didn't realize there was a 110 and a 110 PTP.


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From: John Butler via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:57:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP
Hi Alan:  The Force 110 (which is the new 25 dBi dish) and the Connectorized 
Unsync Radio (fast Ethernet port) is due to ship from our channel partners in 
early November.
The Force 110 PTP (which is the new 25 dBi dish) and the Connectorized Radio 
with the Gigabit ethernet port is due to ship from our channel partners in 
December.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Alan West via Af
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 4:39 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP

Guess not. I am so ready for a replacement for these Force 100 units.

On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 12:11 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via 
Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:

Are these things shipping yet?

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP

[John Butler via Af]

Hi George:  I want to clear up your questions about the Force product.

The Force 110 (C058900C042A (FCC)) is as the spec sheet describes - a radio 
module and the dish.  You can buy the radio and the dish separately,  but when 
you buy them bundle as the Force,  the price is better.  We do not offer a 
radome for it at this time.

The Force 110 PTP is the same dish,  but bundled with the radio that we also 
use for the GPS Sync AP.  The GPS is turned off.  The benefit of this radio 
over the Force 110 is the 802.3af compliant gigabit Ethernet port.

Regards,

John Butler


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber 
Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 6:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP

So the 110 PTP uses the GPS radio, or is it a different radio with sync over 
power only and no on-board GPS? I thought I remember reading that, but I could 
be totally wrong.

A distro rep just told us today that the Force 110 is due in Thrusday or 
Friday. I have a couple links I want to do with these instead of UBNT. If the 
110 won't be available for 3-4 weeks, that's going to suck. And all the 
complaints about assembly of the Force 100, so I don't want to go there.

And the distro's seem to be confused about the parts. The Force 110 spec sheet 
says: C058900C042A (FCC) – consists of a ePMP Radio Module 
[C058900A122A/C058900P122A] and ePMP Dish Antenna [C050900D007B].. and the rep 
said that's only the dish, the radio is extra. I find that hard to believe. And 
now I'm confused too.

Oh, and do these things come with a radome? That would be nice, but I'm 
guessing no.

On 10/21/2014 6:00 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
Ah, I didn't realize there was a 110 and a 110 PTP.


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: John Butler via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:57:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP
Hi Alan:  The Force 110 (which is the new 25 dBi dish) and the Connectorized 
Unsync Radio (fast Ethernet port) is due to ship from our channel partners in 
early November.
The Force 110 PTP (which is the new 25 dBi dish) and the Connectorized Radio 
with the Gigabit ethernet port is due to ship from our channel partners in 
December.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Alan West via Af
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 4:39 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP

Guess not. I am so ready for a replacement for these Force 100 units.

On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 12:11 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via 
Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:

Are these things shipping yet?

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP

[Mike Hammett via Af]

Ah, so same radio as the GPS, but due to it being a lot cheaper, has the GPS 
turned off. 

Software key to turn on sync? 

Are people selling the dish separately? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: John Butler via Af af@afmug.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 2:56:03 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP 



Hi George: I want to clear up your questions about the Force product. 

The Force 110 ( C058900C042A (FCC)) is as the spec sheet describes - a radio 
module and the dish. You can buy the radio and the dish separately, but when 
you buy them bundle as the Force, the price is better. We do not offer a radome 
for it at this time. 

The Force 110 PTP is the same dish, but bundled with the radio that we also use 
for the GPS Sync AP. The GPS is turned off. The benefit of this radio over the 
Force 110 is the 802.3af compliant gigabit Ethernet port. 

Regards, 

John Butler 




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber 
Broadcasting) via Af 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 6:11 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP 


So the 110 PTP uses the GPS radio, or is it a different radio with sync over 
power only and no on-board GPS? I thought I remember reading that, but I could 
be totally wrong. 

A distro rep just told us today that the Force 110 is due in Thrusday or 
Friday. I have a couple links I want to do with these instead of UBNT. If the 
110 won't be available for 3-4 weeks, that's going to suck. And all the 
complaints about assembly of the Force 100, so I don't want to go there. 

And the distro's seem to be confused about the parts. The Force 110 spec sheet 
says: C058900C042A (FCC) – consists of a ePMP Radio Module 
[C058900A122A/C058900P122A] and ePMP Dish Antenna [C050900D007B].. and the rep 
said that's only the dish, the radio is extra. I find that hard to believe. And 
now I'm confused too. 

Oh, and do these things come with a radome? That would be nice, but I'm 
guessing no. 

On 10/21/2014 6:00 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: 



Ah, I didn't realize there was a 110 and a 110 PTP. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 




- Original Message -


From: John Butler via Af af@afmug.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:57:33 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP 
Hi Alan: The Force 110 (which is the new 25 dBi dish) and the Connectorized 
Unsync Radio (fast Ethernet port) is due to ship from our channel partners in 
early November. 
The Force 110 PTP (which is the new 25 dBi dish) and the Connectorized Radio 
with the Gigabit ethernet port is due to ship from our channel partners in 
December. 




From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Alan West via Af 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 4:39 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP 



Guess not. I am so ready for a replacement for these Force 100 units. 






On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 12:11 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via 
Af  af@afmug.com  wrote: 


Are these things shipping yet? 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP

[Matt via Af]

Will there be an option to use the GPS sync with the PTP110?  If so what
kind of latency will we get?


On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 2:56 PM, John Butler via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Hi George:  I want to clear up your questions about the Force product.



 The Force 110 (C058900C042A (FCC)) is as the spec sheet describes - a
 radio module and the dish.  You can buy the radio and the dish separately,
 but when you buy them bundle as the Force,  the price is better.  We do not
 offer a radome for it at this time.



 The Force 110 PTP is the same dish,  but bundled with the radio that we
 also use for the GPS Sync AP.  The GPS is turned off.  The benefit of this
 radio over the Force 110 is the 802.3af compliant gigabit Ethernet port.



 Regards,



 John Butler





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
 (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
 *Sent:* Tuesday, October 21, 2014 6:11 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP



 So the 110 PTP uses the GPS radio, or is it a different radio with sync
 over power only and no on-board GPS? I thought I remember reading that, but
 I could be totally wrong.

 A distro rep just told us today that the Force 110 is due in Thrusday or
 Friday. I have a couple links I want to do with these instead of UBNT. If
 the 110 won't be available for 3-4 weeks, that's going to suck. And all the
 complaints about assembly of the Force 100, so I don't want to go there.

 And the distro's seem to be confused about the parts. The Force 110 spec
 sheet says: C058900C042A (FCC) – consists of a ePMP Radio Module
 [C058900A122A/C058900P122A] and ePMP Dish Antenna [C050900D007B].. and the
 rep said that's only the dish, the radio is extra. I find that hard to
 believe. And now I'm confused too.

 Oh, and do these things come with a radome? That would be nice, but I'm
 guessing no.

 On 10/21/2014 6:00 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:

  Ah, I didn't realize there was a 110 and a 110 PTP.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

  https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

   --

 *From: *John Butler via Af af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:57:33 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP

 Hi Alan:  The Force 110 (which is the new 25 dBi dish) and the
 Connectorized Unsync Radio (fast Ethernet port) is due to ship from our
 channel partners in early November.

 The Force 110 PTP (which is the new 25 dBi dish) and the Connectorized
 Radio with the Gigabit ethernet port is due to ship from our channel
 partners in December.





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Alan West via Af
 *Sent:* Tuesday, October 21, 2014 4:39 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP



 Guess not. I am so ready for a replacement for these Force 100 units.



 On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 12:11 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
 via Af af@afmug.com wrote:



 Are these things shipping yet?