Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.]

v is 2 pair power while vh has power on all pairs, though it self 
detects so it may allow 2 pair power.


The switch is capable of 1.5amps in vh mode while only .75 in v.

Gilbert


On 8/19/2016 9:09 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
H would probably mean “High” power?  What does the VH mean?  Or what 
is the significance to the “v”.

*From:* Josh Luthman <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
*Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2016 10:06 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?
Also 24VH but that's kind of going away.  The H actually means 4 pair 
power and I think people would assume the extra amps doesn't change 
the pinout.


The interface has lots of warnings added in after real life problems.  
It's obviously created by a WISP guy.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Erich Kaiser 
<er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>> wrote:


Also when enabling the port into VH mode you get this message.
Inline image 1

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>
Office: 630-621-4804 
Cell: 630-777-9291 

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Erich Kaiser
<er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>>
wrote:

Confirmed. PTP820S POE works on 48VH ports!
Inline image 1
Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>
Office: 630-621-4804 
Cell: 630-777-9291 
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:27 AM, Erich Kaiser
<er...@northcentraltower.com
<mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>> wrote:

If I remember correct the 820S is around 30w or less and
820C is higher due to dual radio/core.
Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
<mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>
Office: 630-621-4804 
Cell: 630-777-9291 
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:58 PM, George Skorup
<geo...@cbcast.com <mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

Question is, does the 820S need all four pairs for
power, or can it be supplied power on 1,2 & 3,6 only?
40W over only two pairs seems like it would be ungood.
I know the Netonix switches will power AF5 and 24
radios which use all four pairs. Then the next
question is per pair polarity, which I assume is
different for the 820S vs AF.

We inject power to Exalt G2 radios using GIGE-POE-APCs
with the jumpers removed on 4,5 & 7,8. But those are
max 32W or so. And in the real world, I see them
pulling about 25-27W.

On 8/15/2016 8:58 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote:

So looking at Cambium Forums

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-820-Licensed-Microwave/can-i-use-the-PTP650-PoE-Injector-for-PTP820-radio/td-p/42939

<http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-820-Licensed-Microwave/can-i-use-the-PTP650-PoE-Injector-for-PTP820-radio/td-p/42939>

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-FAQ/PTP-650-Compatibilty-with-802-3at-standard-PoE/td-p/50740

<http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-FAQ/PTP-650-Compatibilty-with-802-3at-standard-PoE/td-p/50740>
https://forum.netonix.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=612
<https://forum.netonix.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=612>
So it looks like PTP820 and PTP650 are both 802.3at
pinouts.
I will try it on Wednesday with a spare PTP820S Radio
when I get the Netonix switch.
Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
<mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>
Office: 630-621-4804 
Cell: 630-777-9291 
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Erich Kaiser
<er...@northcentraltower.com
<mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>> wrote:

I found a post on the forums about IP20C working,
BTW these units work + or - 48v DC directly into
the unit. Also if you have the POE Unit it can do
a range from 24vdc up to like 50vdc or something.
Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
<mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>
Office: 630-621-4804 
Cell

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[Adam Moffett]

24 Volt-hours


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 8/19/2016 12:23:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?


You thought it was 24 vertical horizons didn't you?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 12:18 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Oh, I thought perhaps it was Vertical voltage vs Horizontal 
voltage


From:Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 10:11 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

V = Volts ?

24VH = 24V high Power
24V  =  24V (regular power)

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 12:09:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?
H would probably mean “High” power?  What does the VH mean?  Or what 
is the significance to the “v”.


From:Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 10:06 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

Also 24VH but that's kind of going away.  The H actually means 4 pair 
power and I think people would assume the extra amps doesn't change 
the pinout.


The interface has lots of warnings added in after real life problems. 
 It's obviously created by a WISP guy.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Erich Kaiser 
<er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:

Also when enabling the port into VH mode you get this message.




Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Erich Kaiser 
<er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:

Confirmed. PTP820S POE works on 48VH ports!




Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:27 AM, Erich Kaiser 
<er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
If I remember correct the 820S is around 30w or less and 820C is 
higher due to dual radio/core.



Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:58 PM, George Skorup 
<geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
Question is, does the 820S need all four pairs for power, or can 
it be supplied power on 1,2 & 3,6 only? 40W over only two pairs 
seems like it would be ungood. I know the Netonix switches will 
power AF5 and 24 radios which use all four pairs. Then the next 
question is per pair polarity, which I assume is different for 
the 820S vs AF.


We inject power to Exalt G2 radios using GIGE-POE-APCs with the 
jumpers removed on 4,5 & 7,8. But those are max 32W or so. And in 
the real world, I see them pulling about 25-27W.


On 8/15/2016 8:58 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote:

So looking at Cambium Forums

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-820-Licensed-Microwave/can-i-use-the-PTP650-PoE-Injector-for-PTP820-radio/td-p/42939

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-FAQ/PTP-650-Compatibilty-with-802-3at-standard-PoE/td-p/50740

https://forum.netonix.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=612

So it looks like PTP820 and PTP650 are both 802.3at pinouts.

I will try it on Wednesday with a spare PTP820S Radio when I get 
the Netonix switch.



Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Erich Kaiser 
<er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
I found a post on the forums about IP20C working, BTW these 
units work + or - 48v DC directly into the unit.  Also if you 
have the POE Unit it can do a range from 24vdc up to like 50vdc 
or something.



Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
<fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:

>>I think it's -48 or optional +24

Correct... the optional = another piece of equipment which is 
basically a dual port dc to dc converted (it can take 24vdc on 
any polarity and and put out -48dc for the radio).



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net




From: "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 7:57:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?
I think it's -48 or optional +24
-Sean

On Monday, August 15, 2016, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> 
wrote:
The ± is confusing. 

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[Josh Luthman]

You thought it was 24 vertical horizons didn't you?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 12:18 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Oh, I thought perhaps it was Vertical voltage vs Horizontal voltage
>
> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2016 10:11 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?
>
> V = Volts ?
>
> 24VH = 24V high Power
> 24V  =  24V (regular power)
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, August 19, 2016 12:09:03 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?
>
> H would probably mean “High” power?  What does the VH mean?  Or what is
> the significance to the “v”.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2016 10:06 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?
>
> Also 24VH but that's kind of going away.  The H actually means 4 pair
> power and I think people would assume the extra amps doesn't change the
> pinout.
>
> The interface has lots of warnings added in after real life problems.
> It's obviously created by a WISP guy.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Erich Kaiser <
> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>
>> Also when enabling the port into VH mode you get this message.
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Erich Kaiser <
>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Confirmed. PTP820S POE works on 48VH ports!
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>
>>>
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>> North Central Tower
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:27 AM, Erich Kaiser <
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If I remember correct the 820S is around 30w or less and 820C is higher
>>>> due to dual radio/core.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>> North Central Tower
>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:58 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Question is, does the 820S need all four pairs for power, or can it be
>>>>> supplied power on 1,2 & 3,6 only? 40W over only two pairs seems like it
>>>>> would be ungood. I know the Netonix switches will power AF5 and 24 radios
>>>>> which use all four pairs. Then the next question is per pair polarity,
>>>>> which I assume is different for the 820S vs AF.
>>>>>
>>>>> We inject power to Exalt G2 radios using GIGE-POE-APCs with the
>>>>> jumpers removed on 4,5 & 7,8. But those are max 32W or so. And in the real
>>>>> world, I see them pulling about 25-27W.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/15/2016 8:58 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> So looking at Cambium Forums
>>>>>
>>>>> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-
>>>>> 820-Licensed-Microwave/can-i-use-the-PTP650-PoE-Injector-
>>>>> for-PTP820-radio/td-p/42939
>>>>>
>>>>> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-
>>>>> FAQ/PTP-650-Compatibilty-with-802-3at-standard-PoE/td-p/50740
>>>>>
>>>>> https://forum.netonix.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=612
>>>>>
>>>>> So it looks like PTP820 and PTP650 are both 802.3at pinouts.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will try it on Wednesday with a spare PTP820S Radio when I get the
>>>>> Netonix switch.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>>> North Central Tower
>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>&

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[chuck]

Oh, I thought perhaps it was Vertical voltage vs Horizontal voltage

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 10:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

V = Volts ? 

24VH = 24V high Power
24V  =  24V (regular power)

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 12:09:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

  H would probably mean “High” power?  What does the VH mean?  Or what is the 
significance to the “v”. 

  From: Josh Luthman
  Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 10:06 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

  Also 24VH but that's kind of going away.  The H actually means 4 pair power 
and I think people would assume the extra amps doesn't change the pinout.

  The interface has lots of warnings added in after real life problems.  It's 
obviously created by a WISP guy.


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com> 
wrote:

Also when enabling the port into VH mode you get this message. 






Erich Kaiser 
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Erich Kaiser 
<er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:

  Confirmed. PTP820S POE works on 48VH ports! 





  Erich Kaiser 
  North Central Tower
  er...@northcentraltower.com
  Office: 630-621-4804
  Cell: 630-777-9291


  On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:27 AM, Erich Kaiser 
<er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:

If I remember correct the 820S is around 30w or less and 820C is higher 
due to dual radio/core. 


Erich Kaiser 
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:58 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> 
wrote:

  Question is, does the 820S need all four pairs for power, or can it 
be supplied power on 1,2 & 3,6 only? 40W over only two pairs seems like it 
would be ungood. I know the Netonix switches will power AF5 and 24 radios which 
use all four pairs. Then the next question is per pair polarity, which I assume 
is different for the 820S vs AF.

  We inject power to Exalt G2 radios using GIGE-POE-APCs with the 
jumpers removed on 4,5 & 7,8. But those are max 32W or so. And in the real 
world, I see them pulling about 25-27W.


  On 8/15/2016 8:58 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote:

So looking at Cambium Forums 


http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-820-Licensed-Microwave/can-i-use-the-PTP650-PoE-Injector-for-PTP820-radio/td-p/42939



http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-FAQ/PTP-650-Compatibilty-with-802-3at-standard-PoE/td-p/50740


https://forum.netonix.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=612


So it looks like PTP820 and PTP650 are both 802.3at pinouts.

I will try it on Wednesday with a spare PTP820S Radio when I get 
the Netonix switch.


Erich Kaiser 
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Erich Kaiser 
<er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:

  I found a post on the forums about IP20C working, BTW these units 
work + or - 48v DC directly into the unit.  Also if you have the POE Unit it 
can do a range from 24vdc up to like 50vdc or something. 


  Erich Kaiser 
  North Central Tower
  er...@northcentraltower.com
  Office: 630-621-4804
  Cell: 630-777-9291


  On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
<fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:

>>I think it's -48 or optional +24

Correct... the optional = another piece of equipment which is 
basically a dual port dc to dc converted (it can take 24vdc on any polarity and 
and put out -48dc for the radio).


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 7:57:50 PM
  Subject: 

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[Josh Luthman]

V is Volts.

So there's 24v, 24vh (high power), 48v, 48vh


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 12:09 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> H would probably mean “High” power?  What does the VH mean?  Or what is
> the significance to the “v”.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2016 10:06 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?
>
> Also 24VH but that's kind of going away.  The H actually means 4 pair
> power and I think people would assume the extra amps doesn't change the
> pinout.
>
> The interface has lots of warnings added in after real life problems.
> It's obviously created by a WISP guy.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Erich Kaiser <
> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>
>> Also when enabling the port into VH mode you get this message.
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Erich Kaiser <
>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Confirmed. PTP820S POE works on 48VH ports!
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>
>>>
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>> North Central Tower
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:27 AM, Erich Kaiser <
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If I remember correct the 820S is around 30w or less and 820C is higher
>>>> due to dual radio/core.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>> North Central Tower
>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:58 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Question is, does the 820S need all four pairs for power, or can it be
>>>>> supplied power on 1,2 & 3,6 only? 40W over only two pairs seems like it
>>>>> would be ungood. I know the Netonix switches will power AF5 and 24 radios
>>>>> which use all four pairs. Then the next question is per pair polarity,
>>>>> which I assume is different for the 820S vs AF.
>>>>>
>>>>> We inject power to Exalt G2 radios using GIGE-POE-APCs with the
>>>>> jumpers removed on 4,5 & 7,8. But those are max 32W or so. And in the real
>>>>> world, I see them pulling about 25-27W.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/15/2016 8:58 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> So looking at Cambium Forums
>>>>>
>>>>> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-820-Licensed-Mic
>>>>> rowave/can-i-use-the-PTP650-PoE-Injector-for-PTP820-radio/td-p/42939
>>>>>
>>>>> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-FAQ/PTP-650-Comp
>>>>> atibilty-with-802-3at-standard-PoE/td-p/50740
>>>>>
>>>>> https://forum.netonix.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=612
>>>>>
>>>>> So it looks like PTP820 and PTP650 are both 802.3at pinouts.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will try it on Wednesday with a spare PTP820S Radio when I get the
>>>>> Netonix switch.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>>> North Central Tower
>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Erich Kaiser <
>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I found a post on the forums about IP20C working, BTW these units
>>>>>> work + or - 48v DC directly into the unit.  Also if you have the POE Unit
>>>>>> it can do a range from 24vdc up to like 50vdc or something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>>>> North Central Tower
>>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>>>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[Faisal Imtiaz]

V = Volts ? 

24VH = 24V high Power 
24V = 24V (regular power) 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 12:09:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

> H would probably mean “High” power? What does the VH mean? Or what is the
> significance to the “v”.
> From: Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 10:06 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?
> Also 24VH but that's kind of going away. The H actually means 4 pair power 
> and I
> think people would assume the extra amps doesn't change the pinout.

> The interface has lots of warnings added in after real life problems. It's
> obviously created by a WISP guy.
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Erich Kaiser < er...@northcentraltower.com >
> wrote:

>> Also when enabling the port into VH mode you get this message.

>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Erich Kaiser < er...@northcentraltower.com 
>> >
>> wrote:

>>> Confirmed. PTP820S POE works on 48VH ports!

>>> Erich Kaiser
>>> North Central Tower
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:27 AM, Erich Kaiser < er...@northcentraltower.com 
>>> >
>>> wrote:

>>>> If I remember correct the 820S is around 30w or less and 820C is higher 
>>>> due to
>>>> dual radio/core.
>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>> North Central Tower
>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:58 PM, George Skorup < geo...@cbcast.com > 
>>>> wrote:

>>>>> Question is, does the 820S need all four pairs for power, or can it be 
>>>>> supplied
>>>>> power on 1,2 & 3,6 only? 40W over only two pairs seems like it would be 
>>>>> ungood.
>>>>> I know the Netonix switches will power AF5 and 24 radios which use all 
>>>>> four
>>>>> pairs. Then the next question is per pair polarity, which I assume is 
>>>>> different
>>>>> for the 820S vs AF.

>>>>> We inject power to Exalt G2 radios using GIGE-POE-APCs with the jumpers 
>>>>> removed
>>>>> on 4,5 & 7,8. But those are max 32W or so. And in the real world, I see 
>>>>> them
>>>>> pulling about 25-27W.

>>>>> On 8/15/2016 8:58 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote:

>>>>>> So looking at Cambium Forums
>>>>>> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-820-Licensed-Microwave/can-i-use-the-PTP650-PoE-Injector-for-PTP820-radio/td-p/42939
>>>>>> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-FAQ/PTP-650-Compatibilty-with-802-3at-standard-PoE/td-p/50740
>>>>>> https://forum.netonix.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=612
>>>>>> So it looks like PTP820 and PTP650 are both 802.3at pinouts.
>>>>>> I will try it on Wednesday with a spare PTP820S Radio when I get the 
>>>>>> Netonix
>>>>>> switch.
>>>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>>>> North Central Tower
>>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Erich Kaiser < 
>>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com >
>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>> I found a post on the forums about IP20C working, BTW these units work 
>>>>>>> + or -
>>>>>>> 48v DC directly into the unit. Also if you have the POE Unit it can do 
>>>>>>> a range
>>>>>>> from 24vdc up to like 50vdc or something.
>>>>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>>>>> North Central Tower
>>>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>>>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>>>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < 
>>>>>>> fai...@snappytelecom.net >
>

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[chuck]

H would probably mean “High” power?  What does the VH mean?  Or what is the 
significance to the “v”.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 10:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

Also 24VH but that's kind of going away.  The H actually means 4 pair power and 
I think people would assume the extra amps doesn't change the pinout.

The interface has lots of warnings added in after real life problems.  It's 
obviously created by a WISP guy.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com> 
wrote:

  Also when enabling the port into VH mode you get this message. 






  Erich Kaiser 
  North Central Tower
  er...@northcentraltower.com
  Office: 630-621-4804
  Cell: 630-777-9291



  On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com> 
wrote:

Confirmed. PTP820S POE works on 48VH ports! 





Erich Kaiser 
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:27 AM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com> 
wrote:

  If I remember correct the 820S is around 30w or less and 820C is higher 
due to dual radio/core. 


  Erich Kaiser 
  North Central Tower
  er...@northcentraltower.com
  Office: 630-621-4804
  Cell: 630-777-9291


  On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:58 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

Question is, does the 820S need all four pairs for power, or can it be 
supplied power on 1,2 & 3,6 only? 40W over only two pairs seems like it would 
be ungood. I know the Netonix switches will power AF5 and 24 radios which use 
all four pairs. Then the next question is per pair polarity, which I assume is 
different for the 820S vs AF.

We inject power to Exalt G2 radios using GIGE-POE-APCs with the jumpers 
removed on 4,5 & 7,8. But those are max 32W or so. And in the real world, I see 
them pulling about 25-27W.


On 8/15/2016 8:58 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote:

  So looking at Cambium Forums 

  
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-820-Licensed-Microwave/can-i-use-the-PTP650-PoE-Injector-for-PTP820-radio/td-p/42939


  
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-FAQ/PTP-650-Compatibilty-with-802-3at-standard-PoE/td-p/50740


  https://forum.netonix.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=612


  So it looks like PTP820 and PTP650 are both 802.3at pinouts.

  I will try it on Wednesday with a spare PTP820S Radio when I get the 
Netonix switch.


  Erich Kaiser 
  North Central Tower
  er...@northcentraltower.com
  Office: 630-621-4804
  Cell: 630-777-9291


  On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Erich Kaiser 
<er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:

I found a post on the forums about IP20C working, BTW these units 
work + or - 48v DC directly into the unit.  Also if you have the POE Unit it 
can do a range from 24vdc up to like 50vdc or something. 


Erich Kaiser 
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
<fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:

  >>I think it's -48 or optional +24

  Correct... the optional = another piece of equipment which is 
basically a dual port dc to dc converted (it can take 24vdc on any polarity and 
and put out -48dc for the radio).


  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 7:57:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

I think it's -48 or optional +24

-Sean 

On Monday, August 15, 2016, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> 
wrote:

  The ± is confusing. Does it support either polarity like the 
SAF Lumina?


  On 8/15/2016 5:58 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

here's the data from the manual.  we installed ours a year 
ago and i thought the PoE cambium supplied was an 802.3at but that could have 
been for the PMP450i APs we deployed at the same time. 

Power Input Specifications
• Standard Input: ‐48 VDC
• IDU DC Input range: ‐40 to ‐60 VDC 

Power Consumption Specifications
  

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[Josh Luthman]

Also 24VH but that's kind of going away.  The H actually means 4 pair power
and I think people would assume the extra amps doesn't change the pinout.

The interface has lots of warnings added in after real life problems.  It's
obviously created by a WISP guy.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com>
wrote:

> Also when enabling the port into VH mode you get this message.
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Erich Kaiser <
> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>
>> Confirmed. PTP820S POE works on 48VH ports!
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:27 AM, Erich Kaiser <
>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If I remember correct the 820S is around 30w or less and 820C is higher
>>> due to dual radio/core.
>>>
>>>
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>> North Central Tower
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:58 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Question is, does the 820S need all four pairs for power, or can it be
>>>> supplied power on 1,2 & 3,6 only? 40W over only two pairs seems like it
>>>> would be ungood. I know the Netonix switches will power AF5 and 24 radios
>>>> which use all four pairs. Then the next question is per pair polarity,
>>>> which I assume is different for the 820S vs AF.
>>>>
>>>> We inject power to Exalt G2 radios using GIGE-POE-APCs with the jumpers
>>>> removed on 4,5 & 7,8. But those are max 32W or so. And in the real world, I
>>>> see them pulling about 25-27W.
>>>>
>>>> On 8/15/2016 8:58 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So looking at Cambium Forums
>>>>
>>>> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-820-Licensed-Mic
>>>> rowave/can-i-use-the-PTP650-PoE-Injector-for-PTP820-radio/td-p/42939
>>>>
>>>> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-FAQ/PTP-650-Comp
>>>> atibilty-with-802-3at-standard-PoE/td-p/50740
>>>>
>>>> https://forum.netonix.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=612
>>>>
>>>> So it looks like PTP820 and PTP650 are both 802.3at pinouts.
>>>>
>>>> I will try it on Wednesday with a spare PTP820S Radio when I get the
>>>> Netonix switch.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>> North Central Tower
>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Erich Kaiser <
>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I found a post on the forums about IP20C working, BTW these units work
>>>>> + or - 48v DC directly into the unit.  Also if you have the POE Unit it 
>>>>> can
>>>>> do a range from 24vdc up to like 50vdc or something.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>>> North Central Tower
>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <
>>>>> fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> >>I think it's -48 or optional +24
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Correct... the optional = another piece of equipment which is
>>>>>> basically a dual port dc to dc converted (it can take 24vdc on any 
>>>>>> polarity
>>>>>> and and put out -48dc for the radio).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Help-desk: (305

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[Erich Kaiser]

Also when enabling the port into VH mode you get this message.

[image: Inline image 1]


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com>
wrote:

> Confirmed. PTP820S POE works on 48VH ports!
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:27 AM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com
> > wrote:
>
>> If I remember correct the 820S is around 30w or less and 820C is higher
>> due to dual radio/core.
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:58 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Question is, does the 820S need all four pairs for power, or can it be
>>> supplied power on 1,2 & 3,6 only? 40W over only two pairs seems like it
>>> would be ungood. I know the Netonix switches will power AF5 and 24 radios
>>> which use all four pairs. Then the next question is per pair polarity,
>>> which I assume is different for the 820S vs AF.
>>>
>>> We inject power to Exalt G2 radios using GIGE-POE-APCs with the jumpers
>>> removed on 4,5 & 7,8. But those are max 32W or so. And in the real world, I
>>> see them pulling about 25-27W.
>>>
>>> On 8/15/2016 8:58 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote:
>>>
>>> So looking at Cambium Forums
>>>
>>> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-820-Licensed-Mic
>>> rowave/can-i-use-the-PTP650-PoE-Injector-for-PTP820-radio/td-p/42939
>>>
>>> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-FAQ/PTP-650-Comp
>>> atibilty-with-802-3at-standard-PoE/td-p/50740
>>>
>>> https://forum.netonix.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=612
>>>
>>> So it looks like PTP820 and PTP650 are both 802.3at pinouts.
>>>
>>> I will try it on Wednesday with a spare PTP820S Radio when I get the
>>> Netonix switch.
>>>
>>>
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>> North Central Tower
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Erich Kaiser <
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I found a post on the forums about IP20C working, BTW these units work
>>>> + or - 48v DC directly into the unit.  Also if you have the POE Unit it can
>>>> do a range from 24vdc up to like 50vdc or something.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>> North Central Tower
>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <
>>>> fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> >>I think it's -48 or optional +24
>>>>>
>>>>> Correct... the optional = another piece of equipment which is
>>>>> basically a dual port dc to dc converted (it can take 24vdc on any 
>>>>> polarity
>>>>> and and put out -48dc for the radio).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
>>>>>
>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Sent: *Monday, August 15, 2016 7:57:50 PM
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it's -48 or optional +24
>>>>> -Sean
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, August 15, 2016, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The ± is confusing. Does it support either polarity like the SAF
>>>>>> Lumina?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/15/2016 5:58 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> here's the data from the man

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[Erich Kaiser]

Confirmed. PTP820S POE works on 48VH ports!

[image: Inline image 1]


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:27 AM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com>
wrote:

> If I remember correct the 820S is around 30w or less and 820C is higher
> due to dual radio/core.
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:58 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>
>> Question is, does the 820S need all four pairs for power, or can it be
>> supplied power on 1,2 & 3,6 only? 40W over only two pairs seems like it
>> would be ungood. I know the Netonix switches will power AF5 and 24 radios
>> which use all four pairs. Then the next question is per pair polarity,
>> which I assume is different for the 820S vs AF.
>>
>> We inject power to Exalt G2 radios using GIGE-POE-APCs with the jumpers
>> removed on 4,5 & 7,8. But those are max 32W or so. And in the real world, I
>> see them pulling about 25-27W.
>>
>> On 8/15/2016 8:58 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote:
>>
>> So looking at Cambium Forums
>>
>> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-820-Licensed-
>> Microwave/can-i-use-the-PTP650-PoE-Injector-for-PTP820-radio/td-p/42939
>>
>> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-FAQ/PTP-650-
>> Compatibilty-with-802-3at-standard-PoE/td-p/50740
>>
>> https://forum.netonix.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=612
>>
>> So it looks like PTP820 and PTP650 are both 802.3at pinouts.
>>
>> I will try it on Wednesday with a spare PTP820S Radio when I get the
>> Netonix switch.
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Erich Kaiser <
>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I found a post on the forums about IP20C working, BTW these units work +
>>> or - 48v DC directly into the unit.  Also if you have the POE Unit it can
>>> do a range from 24vdc up to like 50vdc or something.
>>>
>>>
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>> North Central Tower
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> >>I think it's -48 or optional +24
>>>>
>>>> Correct... the optional = another piece of equipment which is basically
>>>> a dual port dc to dc converted (it can take 24vdc on any polarity and and
>>>> put out -48dc for the radio).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
>>>>
>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent: *Monday, August 15, 2016 7:57:50 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?
>>>>
>>>> I think it's -48 or optional +24
>>>> -Sean
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, August 15, 2016, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The ± is confusing. Does it support either polarity like the SAF
>>>>> Lumina?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/15/2016 5:58 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> here's the data from the manual.  we installed ours a year ago and i
>>>>> thought the PoE cambium supplied was an 802.3at but that could have been
>>>>> for the PMP450i APs we deployed at the same time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Power Input Specifications
>>>>> • Standard Input: ‐48 VDC
>>>>> • IDU DC Input range: ‐40 to ‐60 VDC
>>>>>
>>>>> Power Consumption Specifications
>>>>> • Maximum Power Consumption 6‐11 GHz:
>>>>>
>>>>> 40W; 13‐38 GHz: 35W
>>>>>
>>>>> PoE Injector Mechanical Specifications
>>>>> • Dimensions – 134mm(H), 190mm(W),
>>>>>
>>>>> 62mm(D), 1 kg
>&

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[Erich Kaiser]

If I remember correct the 820S is around 30w or less and 820C is higher due
to dual radio/core.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:58 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

> Question is, does the 820S need all four pairs for power, or can it be
> supplied power on 1,2 & 3,6 only? 40W over only two pairs seems like it
> would be ungood. I know the Netonix switches will power AF5 and 24 radios
> which use all four pairs. Then the next question is per pair polarity,
> which I assume is different for the 820S vs AF.
>
> We inject power to Exalt G2 radios using GIGE-POE-APCs with the jumpers
> removed on 4,5 & 7,8. But those are max 32W or so. And in the real world, I
> see them pulling about 25-27W.
>
> On 8/15/2016 8:58 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote:
>
> So looking at Cambium Forums
>
> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-820-Licensed-Microwave/can-i-
> use-the-PTP650-PoE-Injector-for-PTP820-radio/td-p/42939
>
> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-FAQ/PTP-650-Compatibilty-with-
> 802-3at-standard-PoE/td-p/50740
>
> https://forum.netonix.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=612
>
> So it looks like PTP820 and PTP650 are both 802.3at pinouts.
>
> I will try it on Wednesday with a spare PTP820S Radio when I get the
> Netonix switch.
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com
> > wrote:
>
>> I found a post on the forums about IP20C working, BTW these units work +
>> or - 48v DC directly into the unit.  Also if you have the POE Unit it can
>> do a range from 24vdc up to like 50vdc or something.
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> >>I think it's -48 or optional +24
>>>
>>> Correct... the optional = another piece of equipment which is basically
>>> a dual port dc to dc converted (it can take 24vdc on any polarity and and
>>> put out -48dc for the radio).
>>>
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Monday, August 15, 2016 7:57:50 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?
>>>
>>> I think it's -48 or optional +24
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 15, 2016, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The ± is confusing. Does it support either polarity like the SAF Lumina?
>>>>
>>>> On 8/15/2016 5:58 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>>>
>>>> here's the data from the manual.  we installed ours a year ago and i
>>>> thought the PoE cambium supplied was an 802.3at but that could have been
>>>> for the PMP450i APs we deployed at the same time.
>>>>
>>>> Power Input Specifications
>>>> • Standard Input: ‐48 VDC
>>>> • IDU DC Input range: ‐40 to ‐60 VDC
>>>>
>>>> Power Consumption Specifications
>>>> • Maximum Power Consumption 6‐11 GHz:
>>>>
>>>> 40W; 13‐38 GHz: 35W
>>>>
>>>> PoE Injector Mechanical Specifications
>>>> • Dimensions – 134mm(H), 190mm(W),
>>>>
>>>> 62mm(D), 1 kg
>>>>
>>>> PoE Injector Environmental Specifications
>>>> • 33°C to +55°C (‐45°C to +60°C extended)
>>>>
>>>> PoE Injector Power Input Specifications
>>>>
>>>>-
>>>>
>>>>Standard Input: ‐48 or +24 VDC (Optional)
>>>>-
>>>>
>>>>DC Input range: ±(18/40.5 to 60) VDC
>>>>
>>>>(+18VDC extended range is supported as part of the nominal +24VDC
>>>>support)
>>>>
>>>>PoE Injector Interfaces
>>>>-
>>>>
>>>>   GbE Data Port supporting
>>>>
>>>>   10/100/1000Base‐T
>>>>   -
>>>>
>>>>   Power‐Over‐Ethernet (PoE) Port
>>>>   -
>>>>
>>>>   DC Power Port –40V to ‐60V (a PoE
>>>>
>>>>   supporting two redundant DC feeds each supporting ±(18‐60)V is
>>>>   available)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:35 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I thought they were -48? Or is that only the direct power input?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/15/2016 5:33 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> PTP820S is 802.3at (i believe 30W)
>>>>>
>>>>> -sean
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Erich Kaiser <
>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Do the Netonix switches work with PTP820S?  Has anyone used them
>>>>>> togther?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>>>> North Central Tower
>>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[George Skorup]

Question is, does the 820S need all four pairs for power, or can it be 
supplied power on 1,2 & 3,6 only? 40W over only two pairs seems like it 
would be ungood. I know the Netonix switches will power AF5 and 24 
radios which use all four pairs. Then the next question is per pair 
polarity, which I assume is different for the 820S vs AF.


We inject power to Exalt G2 radios using GIGE-POE-APCs with the jumpers 
removed on 4,5 & 7,8. But those are max 32W or so. And in the real 
world, I see them pulling about 25-27W.


On 8/15/2016 8:58 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote:

So looking at Cambium Forums

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-820-Licensed-Microwave/can-i-use-the-PTP650-PoE-Injector-for-PTP820-radio/td-p/42939

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-FAQ/PTP-650-Compatibilty-with-802-3at-standard-PoE/td-p/50740

https://forum.netonix.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=612

So it looks like PTP820 and PTP650 are both 802.3at pinouts.

I will try it on Wednesday with a spare PTP820S Radio when I get the 
Netonix switch.



Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Erich Kaiser 
<er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>> wrote:


I found a post on the forums about IP20C working, BTW these units
work + or - 48v DC directly into the unit.  Also if you have the
POE Unit it can do a range from 24vdc up to like 50vdc or something.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>
Office: 630-621-4804 
Cell: 630-777-9291 


On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz
<fai...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:

>>I think it's -48 or optional +24

Correct... the optional = another piece of equipment which is
basically a dual port dc to dc converted (it can take 24vdc on
any polarity and and put out -48dc for the radio).


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232>

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29663-5518> Option 2 or
Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



*From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us
<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Sent: *Monday, August 15, 2016 7:57:50 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

I think it's -48 or optional +24
-Sean

On Monday, August 15, 2016, George Skorup
<geo...@cbcast.com <mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

The ± is confusing. Does it support either polarity
like the SAF Lumina?

On 8/15/2016 5:58 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

here's the data from the manual.  we installed
ours a year ago and i thought the PoE cambium
supplied was an 802.3at but that could have been
for the PMP450i APs we deployed at the same time.

Power Input Specifications
• Standard Input: ‐48 VDC
• IDU DC Input range: ‐40 to ‐60 VDC

Power Consumption Specifications
• Maximum Power Consumption 6‐11 GHz:

40W; 13‐38 GHz: 35W

PoE Injector Mechanical Specifications
• Dimensions – 134mm(H), 190mm(W),

62mm(D), 1 kg

PoE Injector Environmental Specifications
• 33°C to +55°C (‐45°C to +60°C extended)

PoE Injector Power Input Specifications

 *

Standard Input: ‐48 or +24 VDC (Optional)

 *

DC Input range: ±(18/40.5 to 60) VDC

(+18VDC extended range is supported as part of
the nominal +24VDC support)

PoE Injector Interfaces

 o

GbE Data Port supporting

10/100/1000Base‐T

 o

Power‐Over‐Ethernet (PoE) Port

 o

DC Power Port –40V to ‐60V (a PoE

supporting two redundant DC feeds each
supporting ±(18‐60)V is available)


On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:35 PM, George Skorup
<geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

I thought they were -4

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[Erich Kaiser]

So looking at Cambium Forums

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-820-Licensed-Microwave/can-i-use-the-PTP650-PoE-Injector-for-PTP820-radio/td-p/42939

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-FAQ/PTP-650-Compatibilty-with-802-3at-standard-PoE/td-p/50740

https://forum.netonix.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=612

So it looks like PTP820 and PTP650 are both 802.3at pinouts.

I will try it on Wednesday with a spare PTP820S Radio when I get the
Netonix switch.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com>
wrote:

> I found a post on the forums about IP20C working, BTW these units work +
> or - 48v DC directly into the unit.  Also if you have the POE Unit it can
> do a range from 24vdc up to like 50vdc or something.
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> wrote:
>
>> >>I think it's -48 or optional +24
>>
>> Correct... the optional = another piece of equipment which is basically a
>> dual port dc to dc converted (it can take 24vdc on any polarity and and put
>> out -48dc for the radio).
>>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --------------
>>
>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, August 15, 2016 7:57:50 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?
>>
>> I think it's -48 or optional +24
>> -Sean
>>
>> On Monday, August 15, 2016, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The ± is confusing. Does it support either polarity like the SAF Lumina?
>>>
>>> On 8/15/2016 5:58 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>>
>>> here's the data from the manual.  we installed ours a year ago and i
>>> thought the PoE cambium supplied was an 802.3at but that could have been
>>> for the PMP450i APs we deployed at the same time.
>>>
>>> Power Input Specifications
>>> • Standard Input: ‐48 VDC
>>> • IDU DC Input range: ‐40 to ‐60 VDC
>>>
>>> Power Consumption Specifications
>>> • Maximum Power Consumption 6‐11 GHz:
>>>
>>> 40W; 13‐38 GHz: 35W
>>>
>>> PoE Injector Mechanical Specifications
>>> • Dimensions – 134mm(H), 190mm(W),
>>>
>>> 62mm(D), 1 kg
>>>
>>> PoE Injector Environmental Specifications
>>> • 33°C to +55°C (‐45°C to +60°C extended)
>>>
>>> PoE Injector Power Input Specifications
>>>
>>>-
>>>
>>>Standard Input: ‐48 or +24 VDC (Optional)
>>>-
>>>
>>>DC Input range: ±(18/40.5 to 60) VDC
>>>
>>>(+18VDC extended range is supported as part of the nominal +24VDC
>>>support)
>>>
>>>PoE Injector Interfaces
>>>-
>>>
>>>   GbE Data Port supporting
>>>
>>>   10/100/1000Base‐T
>>>   -
>>>
>>>   Power‐Over‐Ethernet (PoE) Port
>>>   -
>>>
>>>   DC Power Port –40V to ‐60V (a PoE
>>>
>>>   supporting two redundant DC feeds each supporting ±(18‐60)V is
>>>   available)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:35 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I thought they were -48? Or is that only the direct power input?
>>>>
>>>> On 8/15/2016 5:33 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>>>
>>>> PTP820S is 802.3at (i believe 30W)
>>>>
>>>> -sean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Erich Kaiser <
>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do the Netonix switches work with PTP820S?  Has anyone used them
>>>>> togther?
>>>>>
>>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>>> North Central Tower
>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[Bill Prince]

If the radio will take + or -, then that tells me that neither input is 
bonded to ground (as it should be if the world was perfect).



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 8/15/2016 6:07 PM, George Skorup wrote:
+ or - directly. So does that mean the return is chassis bonded or 
not? As you know from years of experience with this stuff, you can't 
mix +48 and -48 gear when the returns are chassis bonded. Meaning the 
same DC bus, without DC-DC converters for isolation.


I have (perhaps too much) experience with Trango "-48" power supplies 
blowing up. Replace them with a regular +48 power supply and it works 
fine. Doesn't matter because neither side of the supply output is 
referencing ground. And that's fine for one radio, or even two of the 
same type, but still have to fall back to not mixing things.


This is such a PITA. I really wish everyone would standardize on 
802.3at and/or make their power inputs polarity agnostic.


On 8/15/2016 7:41 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote:
I found a post on the forums about IP20C working, BTW these units 
work + or - 48v DC directly into the unit. Also if you have the POE 
Unit it can do a range from 24vdc up to like 50vdc or something.



Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
<fai...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:


>>I think it's -48 or optional +24

Correct... the optional = another piece of equipment which is
basically a dual port dc to dc converted (it can take 24vdc on
any polarity and and put out -48dc for the radio).


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232>

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29663-5518> Option 2 or
Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



*From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Sent: *Monday, August 15, 2016 7:57:50 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

I think it's -48 or optional +24
-Sean

On Monday, August 15, 2016, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com
<mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

The ± is confusing. Does it support either polarity like
the SAF Lumina?

On 8/15/2016 5:58 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

here's the data from the manual.  we installed ours a
year ago and i thought the PoE cambium supplied was
an 802.3at but that could have been for the PMP450i
APs we deployed at the same time.

Power Input Specifications
• Standard Input: ‐48 VDC
• IDU DC Input range: ‐40 to ‐60 VDC

Power Consumption Specifications
• Maximum Power Consumption 6‐11 GHz:

40W; 13‐38 GHz: 35W

PoE Injector Mechanical Specifications
• Dimensions – 134mm(H), 190mm(W),

62mm(D), 1 kg

PoE Injector Environmental Specifications
• 33°C to +55°C (‐45°C to +60°C extended)

PoE Injector Power Input Specifications

 *

Standard Input: ‐48 or +24 VDC (Optional)

 *

DC Input range: ±(18/40.5 to 60) VDC

(+18VDC extended range is supported as part of
the nominal +24VDC support)

PoE Injector Interfaces

 o

GbE Data Port supporting

10/100/1000Base‐T

 o

Power‐Over‐Ethernet (PoE) Port

 o

DC Power Port –40V to ‐60V (a PoE

supporting two redundant DC feeds each
supporting ±(18‐60)V is available)


On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:35 PM, George Skorup
<geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

I thought they were -48? Or is that only the
direct power input?

On 8/15/2016 5:33 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

PTP820S is 802.3at (i believe 30W)

-sean


On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Erich Kaiser
<er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:

Do the Netonix switches work with
PTP820S?  Has anyone used them togther?

Erich Kaiser
North Central To

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[George Skorup]

+ or - directly. So does that mean the return is chassis bonded or not? 
As you know from years of experience with this stuff, you can't mix +48 
and -48 gear when the returns are chassis bonded. Meaning the same DC 
bus, without DC-DC converters for isolation.


I have (perhaps too much) experience with Trango "-48" power supplies 
blowing up. Replace them with a regular +48 power supply and it works 
fine. Doesn't matter because neither side of the supply output is 
referencing ground. And that's fine for one radio, or even two of the 
same type, but still have to fall back to not mixing things.


This is such a PITA. I really wish everyone would standardize on 802.3at 
and/or make their power inputs polarity agnostic.


On 8/15/2016 7:41 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote:
I found a post on the forums about IP20C working, BTW these units work 
+ or - 48v DC directly into the unit.  Also if you have the POE Unit 
it can do a range from 24vdc up to like 50vdc or something.



Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
<fai...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:


>>I think it's -48 or optional +24

Correct... the optional = another piece of equipment which is
basically a dual port dc to dc converted (it can take 24vdc on any
polarity and and put out -48dc for the radio).


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232>

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29663-5518> Option 2 or
Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



*From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Sent: *Monday, August 15, 2016 7:57:50 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

I think it's -48 or optional +24
-Sean

On Monday, August 15, 2016, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com
<mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

The ± is confusing. Does it support either polarity like
the SAF Lumina?

On 8/15/2016 5:58 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

here's the data from the manual.  we installed ours a
year ago and i thought the PoE cambium supplied was an
802.3at but that could have been for the PMP450i APs
we deployed at the same time.

Power Input Specifications
• Standard Input: ‐48 VDC
• IDU DC Input range: ‐40 to ‐60 VDC

Power Consumption Specifications
• Maximum Power Consumption 6‐11 GHz:

40W; 13‐38 GHz: 35W

PoE Injector Mechanical Specifications
• Dimensions – 134mm(H), 190mm(W),

62mm(D), 1 kg

PoE Injector Environmental Specifications
• 33°C to +55°C (‐45°C to +60°C extended)

PoE Injector Power Input Specifications

 *

Standard Input: ‐48 or +24 VDC (Optional)

 *

DC Input range: ±(18/40.5 to 60) VDC

(+18VDC extended range is supported as part of the
nominal +24VDC support)

PoE Injector Interfaces

 o

GbE Data Port supporting

10/100/1000Base‐T

 o

Power‐Over‐Ethernet (PoE) Port

 o

DC Power Port –40V to ‐60V (a PoE

supporting two redundant DC feeds each
supporting ±(18‐60)V is available)


On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:35 PM, George Skorup
<geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

I thought they were -48? Or is that only the
direct power input?

On 8/15/2016 5:33 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

PTP820S is 802.3at (i believe 30W)

-sean


On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Erich Kaiser
<er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:

Do the Netonix switches work with PTP820S?
Has anyone used them togther?

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804 
Cell: 630-777-9291 

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[Erich Kaiser]

I found a post on the forums about IP20C working, BTW these units work + or
- 48v DC directly into the unit.  Also if you have the POE Unit it can do a
range from 24vdc up to like 50vdc or something.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
wrote:

> >>I think it's -48 or optional +24
>
> Correct... the optional = another piece of equipment which is basically a
> dual port dc to dc converted (it can take 24vdc on any polarity and and put
> out -48dc for the radio).
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, August 15, 2016 7:57:50 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?
>
> I think it's -48 or optional +24
> -Sean
>
> On Monday, August 15, 2016, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>
>> The ± is confusing. Does it support either polarity like the SAF Lumina?
>>
>> On 8/15/2016 5:58 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>
>> here's the data from the manual.  we installed ours a year ago and i
>> thought the PoE cambium supplied was an 802.3at but that could have been
>> for the PMP450i APs we deployed at the same time.
>>
>> Power Input Specifications
>> • Standard Input: ‐48 VDC
>> • IDU DC Input range: ‐40 to ‐60 VDC
>>
>> Power Consumption Specifications
>> • Maximum Power Consumption 6‐11 GHz:
>>
>> 40W; 13‐38 GHz: 35W
>>
>> PoE Injector Mechanical Specifications
>> • Dimensions – 134mm(H), 190mm(W),
>>
>> 62mm(D), 1 kg
>>
>> PoE Injector Environmental Specifications
>> • 33°C to +55°C (‐45°C to +60°C extended)
>>
>> PoE Injector Power Input Specifications
>>
>>-
>>
>>Standard Input: ‐48 or +24 VDC (Optional)
>>-
>>
>>DC Input range: ±(18/40.5 to 60) VDC
>>
>>(+18VDC extended range is supported as part of the nominal +24VDC
>>support)
>>
>>PoE Injector Interfaces
>>-
>>
>>   GbE Data Port supporting
>>
>>   10/100/1000Base‐T
>>   -
>>
>>   Power‐Over‐Ethernet (PoE) Port
>>   -
>>
>>   DC Power Port –40V to ‐60V (a PoE
>>
>>   supporting two redundant DC feeds each supporting ±(18‐60)V is
>>   available)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:35 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I thought they were -48? Or is that only the direct power input?
>>>
>>> On 8/15/2016 5:33 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>>
>>> PTP820S is 802.3at (i believe 30W)
>>>
>>> -sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Erich Kaiser <
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do the Netonix switches work with PTP820S?  Has anyone used them
>>>> togther?
>>>>
>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>> North Central Tower
>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[Faisal Imtiaz]

>>I think it's -48 or optional +24 

Correct... the optional = another piece of equipment which is basically a dual 
port dc to dc converted (it can take 24vdc on any polarity and and put out 
-48dc for the radio). 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 7:57:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

> I think it's -48 or optional +24
> -Sean

> On Monday, August 15, 2016, George Skorup < geo...@cbcast.com > wrote:

>> The ± is confusing. Does it support either polarity like the SAF Lumina?

>> On 8/15/2016 5:58 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

>>> here's the data from the manual. we installed ours a year ago and i thought 
>>> the
>>> PoE cambium supplied was an 802.3at but that could have been for the PMP450i
>>> APs we deployed at the same time.

>>> Power Input Specifications
>>> • Standard Input: ‐ 48 VDC
>>> • IDU DC Input range: ‐ 40 to ‐ 60 VDC

>>> Power Consumption Specifications
>>> • Maximum Power Consumption 6 ‐ 11 GHz:

>>> 40W; 13 ‐ 38 GHz: 35W

>>> PoE Injector Mechanical Specifications
>>> • Dimensions – 134mm(H), 190mm(W),

>>> 62mm(D), 1 kg

>>> PoE Injector Environmental Specifications
>>> • 33°C to +55°C ( ‐ 45°C to +60°C extended)

>>> PoE Injector Power Input Specifications

>>> *

>>> Standard Input: ‐ 48 or +24 VDC (Optional)
>>> *

>>> DC Input range: ±(18/40.5 to 60) VDC

>>> (+18VDC extended range is supported as part of the nominal +24VDC support)

>>> PoE Injector Interfaces
>>> *

>>> GbE Data Port supporting

>>> 10/100/1000Base ‐ T
>>> *

>>> Power ‐ Over ‐ Ethernet (PoE) Port
>>> *

>>> DC Power Port –40V to ‐ 60V (a PoE

>>> supporting two redundant DC feeds each supporting ±(18 ‐ 60)V is available)

>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:35 PM, George Skorup < geo...@cbcast.com > wrote:

>>>> I thought they were -48? Or is that only the direct power input?

>>>> On 8/15/2016 5:33 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

>>>>> PTP820S is 802.3at (i believe 30W)

>>>>> -sean

>>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Erich Kaiser < 
>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com >
>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>> Do the Netonix switches work with PTP820S? Has anyone used them togther?

>>>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>>>> North Central Tower
>>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[Sean Heskett]

I think it's -48 or optional +24

-Sean

On Monday, August 15, 2016, George Skorup  wrote:

> The ± is confusing. Does it support either polarity like the SAF Lumina?
>
> On 8/15/2016 5:58 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>
> here's the data from the manual.  we installed ours a year ago and i
> thought the PoE cambium supplied was an 802.3at but that could have been
> for the PMP450i APs we deployed at the same time.
>
> Power Input Specifications
> • Standard Input: ‐48 VDC
> • IDU DC Input range: ‐40 to ‐60 VDC
>
> Power Consumption Specifications
> • Maximum Power Consumption 6‐11 GHz:
>
> 40W; 13‐38 GHz: 35W
>
> PoE Injector Mechanical Specifications
> • Dimensions – 134mm(H), 190mm(W),
>
> 62mm(D), 1 kg
>
> PoE Injector Environmental Specifications
> • 33°C to +55°C (‐45°C to +60°C extended)
>
> PoE Injector Power Input Specifications
>
>-
>
>Standard Input: ‐48 or +24 VDC (Optional)
>-
>
>DC Input range: ±(18/40.5 to 60) VDC
>
>(+18VDC extended range is supported as part of the nominal +24VDC
>support)
>
>PoE Injector Interfaces
>-
>
>   GbE Data Port supporting
>
>   10/100/1000Base‐T
>   -
>
>   Power‐Over‐Ethernet (PoE) Port
>   -
>
>   DC Power Port –40V to ‐60V (a PoE
>
>   supporting two redundant DC feeds each supporting ±(18‐60)V is
>   available)
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:35 PM, George Skorup  > wrote:
>
>> I thought they were -48? Or is that only the direct power input?
>>
>> On 8/15/2016 5:33 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>
>> PTP820S is 802.3at (i believe 30W)
>>
>> -sean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Erich Kaiser <
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Do the Netonix switches work with PTP820S?  Has anyone used them togther?
>>>
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>> North Central Tower
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>> 
>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[George Skorup]

The ± is confusing. Does it support either polarity like the SAF Lumina?

On 8/15/2016 5:58 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
here's the data from the manual.  we installed ours a year ago and i 
thought the PoE cambium supplied was an 802.3at but that could have 
been for the PMP450i APs we deployed at the same time.


Power Input Specifications
• Standard Input: ‐48 VDC
• IDU DC Input range: ‐40 to ‐60 VDC

Power Consumption Specifications
• Maximum Power Consumption 6‐11 GHz:

40W; 13‐38 GHz: 35W

PoE Injector Mechanical Specifications
• Dimensions – 134mm(H), 190mm(W),

62mm(D), 1 kg

PoE Injector Environmental Specifications
• 33°C to +55°C (‐45°C to +60°C extended)

PoE Injector Power Input Specifications

 *

Standard Input: ‐48 or +24 VDC (Optional)

 *

DC Input range: ±(18/40.5 to 60) VDC

(+18VDC extended range is supported as part of the nominal +24VDC
support)

PoE Injector Interfaces

 o

GbE Data Port supporting

10/100/1000Base‐T

 o

Power‐Over‐Ethernet (PoE) Port

 o

DC Power Port –40V to ‐60V (a PoE

supporting two redundant DC feeds each supporting ±(18‐60)V is
available)


On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:35 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


I thought they were -48? Or is that only the direct power input?

On 8/15/2016 5:33 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

PTP820S is 802.3at (i believe 30W)

-sean


On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Erich Kaiser
> wrote:

Do the Netonix switches work with PTP820S?  Has anyone used
them togther?

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com 
Office: 630-621-4804 
Cell: 630-777-9291 

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[Sean Heskett]

here's the data from the manual.  we installed ours a year ago and i
thought the PoE cambium supplied was an 802.3at but that could have been
for the PMP450i APs we deployed at the same time.

Power Input Specifications
• Standard Input: ‐48 VDC
• IDU DC Input range: ‐40 to ‐60 VDC

Power Consumption Specifications
• Maximum Power Consumption 6‐11 GHz:

40W; 13‐38 GHz: 35W

PoE Injector Mechanical Specifications
• Dimensions – 134mm(H), 190mm(W),

62mm(D), 1 kg

PoE Injector Environmental Specifications
• 33°C to +55°C (‐45°C to +60°C extended)

PoE Injector Power Input Specifications

   -

   Standard Input: ‐48 or +24 VDC (Optional)
   -

   DC Input range: ±(18/40.5 to 60) VDC

   (+18VDC extended range is supported as part of the nominal +24VDC
   support)

   PoE Injector Interfaces
   -

  GbE Data Port supporting

  10/100/1000Base‐T
  -

  Power‐Over‐Ethernet (PoE) Port
  -

  DC Power Port –40V to ‐60V (a PoE

  supporting two redundant DC feeds each supporting ±(18‐60)V is
  available)




On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:35 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> I thought they were -48? Or is that only the direct power input?
>
> On 8/15/2016 5:33 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>
> PTP820S is 802.3at (i believe 30W)
>
> -sean
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Erich Kaiser  > wrote:
>
>> Do the Netonix switches work with PTP820S?  Has anyone used them togther?
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[Faisal Imtiaz]

I don't think so... 

If these are the OEM Ceragon IP20 units... then nope... they are designed/ 
spec'ed for -48 DC (Telco power) 
There is an optional POE converter/injector which can be powered with +/- 24 v 
DC.. but don't forget to check the power consumption as well 35W-40W... 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 6:33:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

> PTP820S is 802.3at (i believe 30W)
> -sean

> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Erich Kaiser < er...@northcentraltower.com >
> wrote:

>> Do the Netonix switches work with PTP820S? Has anyone used them togther?

>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[George Skorup]

I thought they were -48? Or is that only the direct power input?

On 8/15/2016 5:33 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

PTP820S is 802.3at (i believe 30W)

-sean


On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Erich Kaiser 
> wrote:


Do the Netonix switches work with PTP820S? Has anyone used them
togther?

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com 
Office: 630-621-4804 
Cell: 630-777-9291 

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[Sean Heskett]

PTP820S is 802.3at (i believe 30W)

-sean


On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Erich Kaiser 
wrote:

> Do the Netonix switches work with PTP820S?  Has anyone used them togther?
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>

[AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[Erich Kaiser]

Do the Netonix switches work with PTP820S?  Has anyone used them togther?

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291