Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

[Josh Baird]

Yes, mainly for redundancy.  One could handle our incoming mail load.

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:

> Thank you .. will check that out as well … that seems like a lot of VM’s
> for 15k mailboxes but assuming there’s room for growth and this includes
> redundancy too
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
> *Sent:* July 22, 2016 12:09 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions
>
>
>
> At $mainjob, we use Trend Micro IMSVA which is a Linux based VM
> appliance.  We run a cluster of 3 of them which support a fairly large mail
> infrastructure (~15k mailboxes).
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org>
> wrote:
>
> Hey folks…
>
>
>
> You guys/gals always have great suggestions and this time I’m wondering
> about email antivirus/antispam appliances (outsourcing not an option) of
> mid sized scale…
>
>
>
> Today at $$$job we run Ironport appliances for antispam/antivirus
> protection.  One of the appliances is end of life and needs to be replaced
> and the other two are coming up for maintenance renewal.  These boxes, from
> what I understand, are very expensive.  I have a call into Cisco for
> pricing but they usually take weeks to call back if they ever call back at
> all … enough about them….
>
>
>
> So wondering if we should continue down the road with Ironport or consider
> something else.  The number of email accounts continues to drop off over
> time with folks moving to Gmail, Hotmail etc.   These boxes work *
> *extremely** good … right now seeing about 3.5% of email is legit and
> rest is spam/virus etc.  Very rare for a spam message to make it through …
>
>
>
> Outbound email messages per day approximately 100,000 (varies but average
> number)
>
> Inbound email messages per day approximately 2.6 million on average
>
>
>
> Anyone use anything on similar scale to provide insight into what they are
> using and how it works?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

[Paul Stewart]

Thank you .. will check that out as well … that seems like a lot of VM’s for 
15k mailboxes but assuming there’s room for growth and this includes redundancy 
too 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: July 22, 2016 12:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

 

At $mainjob, we use Trend Micro IMSVA which is a Linux based VM appliance.  We 
run a cluster of 3 of them which support a fairly large mail infrastructure 
(~15k mailboxes).

 

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org 
<mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

Hey folks…

 

You guys/gals always have great suggestions and this time I’m wondering about 
email antivirus/antispam appliances (outsourcing not an option) of mid sized 
scale… 

 

Today at $$$job we run Ironport appliances for antispam/antivirus protection.  
One of the appliances is end of life and needs to be replaced and the other two 
are coming up for maintenance renewal.  These boxes, from what I understand, 
are very expensive.  I have a call into Cisco for pricing but they usually take 
weeks to call back if they ever call back at all … enough about them….

 

So wondering if we should continue down the road with Ironport or consider 
something else.  The number of email accounts continues to drop off over time 
with folks moving to Gmail, Hotmail etc.   These boxes work *extremely* good … 
right now seeing about 3.5% of email is legit and rest is spam/virus etc.  Very 
rare for a spam message to make it through … 

 

Outbound email messages per day approximately 100,000 (varies but average 
number)

Inbound email messages per day approximately 2.6 million on average

 

Anyone use anything on similar scale to provide insight into what they are 
using and how it works?

 

Thanks,

Paul

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

[Josh Baird]

At $mainjob, we use Trend Micro IMSVA which is a Linux based VM appliance.
We run a cluster of 3 of them which support a fairly large mail
infrastructure (~15k mailboxes).

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> Hey folks…
>
>
>
> You guys/gals always have great suggestions and this time I’m wondering
> about email antivirus/antispam appliances (outsourcing not an option) of
> mid sized scale…
>
>
>
> Today at $$$job we run Ironport appliances for antispam/antivirus
> protection.  One of the appliances is end of life and needs to be replaced
> and the other two are coming up for maintenance renewal.  These boxes, from
> what I understand, are very expensive.  I have a call into Cisco for
> pricing but they usually take weeks to call back if they ever call back at
> all … enough about them….
>
>
>
> So wondering if we should continue down the road with Ironport or consider
> something else.  The number of email accounts continues to drop off over
> time with folks moving to Gmail, Hotmail etc.   These boxes work *
> *extremely** good … right now seeing about 3.5% of email is legit and
> rest is spam/virus etc.  Very rare for a spam message to make it through …
>
>
>
> Outbound email messages per day approximately 100,000 (varies but average
> number)
>
> Inbound email messages per day approximately 2.6 million on average
>
>
>
> Anyone use anything on similar scale to provide insight into what they are
> using and how it works?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

[Paul Stewart]

Will check it out and thank you … a quick browse of their documentation doesn’t 
show much about scaling which isn’t a good sign :)

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: July 22, 2016 11:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com; af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

 

The company I'm at now uses the Proxmox mail gateway.  I have no idea if it 
will scale to the volume you're talking about, but they say it's at least as 
effective as the Barracuda box they had before but at less cost.

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Paul Stewart" < <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> p...@paulstewart.org>

To:  <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com

Sent: 7/22/2016 10:56:16 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

 

Thanks… interesting and will chat that out …

 

From: Af [mailto: <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of DJ Anderson
Sent: July 22, 2016 9:27 AM
To:  <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

 

I've been using  <https://efa-project.org/> https://efa-project.org/. 

 

 

I have a cluster of 4 of them and they seem to work pretty good. They don't 
work as good as the Barracudas that I used to have, but they are free. Has a 
nice web interface for management, and you can give users access to manage spam 
for their specific domains and what not. 




Regards, 

 

DJ Anderson

Operations Manager

Shelby Broadband

Office - 502-722-9292 x110 

Cell - 502-647-8101

 

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 3:19 AM, Paul Stewart < <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> 
p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:

Hehe... murphy at work there ;)

Thanks
Paul


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto: <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Carlos Alcantar
Sent: July 22, 2016 2:52 AM
To:  <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

Just a heads up barracuda has an aws hosted version.  We ran one for some time 
on aws worked nicely we were able to import out physical barracudas backup.  
Note the reason we had to switch to aws hosted version was we had never turned 
power off to the unit in 4yrs the first time we had to move server into a 
different rack, power supply gave out.  Go figure!


​
Carlos Alcantar
Race Communications / Race Team Member
1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
Phone:  <tel:%2B1%20415%20376%203314> +1 415 376 3314 /  
<mailto:car...@race.com> car...@race.com /  <http://www.race.com/> 
http://www.race.com



From: Af < <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of 
Paul Stewart < <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> p...@paulstewart.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:28:27 PM
To:  <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

Sure thing – let you know what we decide on doing …. We already have an 
investment in their gear (Ironport) and it works extremely well, but the real 
costs are annual support/licensing.

I looked at Barracuda for ideas and it’s priced similar to Ironport and not 
sure it’s as effective …

From: Af [mailto: <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jon Auer
Sent: July 22, 2016 12:19 AM
To: Animal Farm < <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

If you find something, I'd like to hear about it.
At one point we were doing 1.2M inbounds per day on a cluster of Barracuda 
appliances but the $/box didn't work once you included hardware refresh.
Last time we looked around it seemed like everyone had a pet project that's 
fine for small scale but as soon as you want multi-tenant + clustering the cost 
went through the roof.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Paul Stewart < <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> 
p...@paulstewart.orgmailto:p...@paulstewart.org> 
p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:
Hey folks…

You guys/gals always have great suggestions and this time I’m wondering about 
email antivirus/antispam appliances (outsourcing not an option) of mid sized 
scale…

Today at $$$job we run Ironport appliances for antispam/antivirus protection.  
One of the appliances is end of life and needs to be replaced and the other two 
are coming up for maintenance renewal.  These boxes, from what I understand, 
are very expensive.  I have a call into Cisco for pricing but they usually take 
weeks to call back if they ever call back at all … enough about them….

So wondering if we should continue down the road with Ironport or consider 
something else.  The number of email accounts continues to drop off over time 
with folks moving to Gmail, Hotmail etc.   These boxes work *extremely* good … 
right now seeing about 3.5% of email is legit and rest is spam/virus etc.  Very 
rare for a spam message to make

Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

[Adam Moffett]

The company I'm at now uses the Proxmox mail gateway.  I have no idea if 
it will scale to the volume you're talking about, but they say it's at 
least as effective as the Barracuda box they had before but at less 
cost.



-- Original Message --
From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 7/22/2016 10:56:16 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions


Thanks… interesting and will chat that out …



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of DJ Anderson
Sent: July 22, 2016 9:27 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions



I've been using https://efa-project.org/.





I have a cluster of 4 of them and they seem to work pretty good. They 
don't work as good as the Barracudas that I used to have, but they are 
free. Has a nice web interface for management, and you can give users 
access to manage spam for their specific domains and what not.




Regards,



DJ Anderson

Operations Manager

Shelby Broadband

Office - 502-722-9292 x110

Cell - 502-647-8101



On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 3:19 AM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org> 
wrote:



Hehe... murphy at work there ;)

Thanks
Paul


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Alcantar
Sent: July 22, 2016 2:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

Just a heads up barracuda has an aws hosted version.  We ran one for 
some time on aws worked nicely we were able to import out physical 
barracudas backup.  Note the reason we had to switch to aws hosted 
version was we had never turned power off to the unit in 4yrs the 
first time we had to move server into a different rack, power supply 
gave out.  Go figure!



​
Carlos Alcantar
Race Communications / Race Team Member
1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com



From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Paul Stewart 
<p...@paulstewart.org>

Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:28:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

Sure thing – let you know what we decide on doing …. We already have 
an investment in their gear (Ironport) and it works extremely well, 
but the real costs are annual support/licensing.


I looked at Barracuda for ideas and it’s priced similar to Ironport 
and not sure it’s as effective …


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Auer
Sent: July 22, 2016 12:19 AM
To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

If you find something, I'd like to hear about it.
At one point we were doing 1.2M inbounds per day on a cluster of 
Barracuda appliances but the $/box didn't work once you included 
hardware refresh.
Last time we looked around it seemed like everyone had a pet project 
that's fine for small scale but as soon as you want multi-tenant + 
clustering the cost went through the roof.


On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Paul Stewart 
<p...@paulstewart.org<mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:

Hey folks…

You guys/gals always have great suggestions and this time I’m 
wondering about email antivirus/antispam appliances (outsourcing not 
an option) of mid sized scale…


Today at $$$job we run Ironport appliances for antispam/antivirus 
protection.  One of the appliances is end of life and needs to be 
replaced and the other two are coming up for maintenance renewal.  
These boxes, from what I understand, are very expensive.  I have a 
call into Cisco for pricing but they usually take weeks to call back 
if they ever call back at all … enough about them….


So wondering if we should continue down the road with Ironport or 
consider something else.  The number of email accounts continues to 
drop off over time with folks moving to Gmail, Hotmail etc.   These 
boxes work *extremely* good … right now seeing about 3.5% of email is 
legit and rest is spam/virus etc.  Very rare for a spam message to 
make it through …


Outbound email messages per day approximately 100,000 (varies but 
average number) Inbound email messages per day approximately 2.6 
million on average


Anyone use anything on similar scale to provide insight into what they 
are using and how it works?


Thanks,
Paul

Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

[Paul Stewart]

Thanks… interesting and will chat that out …

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of DJ Anderson
Sent: July 22, 2016 9:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

 

I've been using https://efa-project.org/. 

 

 

I have a cluster of 4 of them and they seem to work pretty good. They don't 
work as good as the Barracudas that I used to have, but they are free. Has a 
nice web interface for management, and you can give users access to manage spam 
for their specific domains and what not. 




Regards, 

 

DJ Anderson

Operations Manager

Shelby Broadband

Office - 502-722-9292 x110 

Cell - 502-647-8101

 

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 3:19 AM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org 
<mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

Hehe... murphy at work there ;)

Thanks
Paul


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Carlos Alcantar
Sent: July 22, 2016 2:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

Just a heads up barracuda has an aws hosted version.  We ran one for some time 
on aws worked nicely we were able to import out physical barracudas backup.  
Note the reason we had to switch to aws hosted version was we had never turned 
power off to the unit in 4yrs the first time we had to move server into a 
different rack, power supply gave out.  Go figure!


​
Carlos Alcantar
Race Communications / Race Team Member
1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
Phone: +1 415 376 3314 <tel:%2B1%20415%20376%203314>  / car...@race.com 
<mailto:car...@race.com>  / http://www.race.com



From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of 
Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> >
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:28:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

Sure thing – let you know what we decide on doing …. We already have an 
investment in their gear (Ironport) and it works extremely well, but the real 
costs are annual support/licensing.

I looked at Barracuda for ideas and it’s priced similar to Ironport and not 
sure it’s as effective …

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Jon Auer
Sent: July 22, 2016 12:19 AM
To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

If you find something, I'd like to hear about it.
At one point we were doing 1.2M inbounds per day on a cluster of Barracuda 
appliances but the $/box didn't work once you included hardware refresh.
Last time we looked around it seemed like everyone had a pet project that's 
fine for small scale but as soon as you want multi-tenant + clustering the cost 
went through the roof.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org 
<mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org 
<mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> >> wrote:
Hey folks…

You guys/gals always have great suggestions and this time I’m wondering about 
email antivirus/antispam appliances (outsourcing not an option) of mid sized 
scale…

Today at $$$job we run Ironport appliances for antispam/antivirus protection.  
One of the appliances is end of life and needs to be replaced and the other two 
are coming up for maintenance renewal.  These boxes, from what I understand, 
are very expensive.  I have a call into Cisco for pricing but they usually take 
weeks to call back if they ever call back at all … enough about them….

So wondering if we should continue down the road with Ironport or consider 
something else.  The number of email accounts continues to drop off over time 
with folks moving to Gmail, Hotmail etc.   These boxes work *extremely* good … 
right now seeing about 3.5% of email is legit and rest is spam/virus etc.  Very 
rare for a spam message to make it through …

Outbound email messages per day approximately 100,000 (varies but average 
number) Inbound email messages per day approximately 2.6 million on average

Anyone use anything on similar scale to provide insight into what they are 
using and how it works?

Thanks,
Paul




 

Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

[DJ Anderson]

I've been using https://efa-project.org/.


I have a cluster of 4 of them and they seem to work pretty good. They don't
work as good as the Barracudas that I used to have, but they are free. Has
a nice web interface for management, and you can give users access to
manage spam for their specific domains and what not.

Regards,

DJ Anderson
Operations Manager
Shelby Broadband
Office - 502-722-9292 x110
Cell - 502-647-8101

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 3:19 AM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:

> Hehe... murphy at work there ;)
>
> Thanks
> Paul
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Alcantar
> Sent: July 22, 2016 2:52 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions
>
> Just a heads up barracuda has an aws hosted version.  We ran one for some
> time on aws worked nicely we were able to import out physical barracudas
> backup.  Note the reason we had to switch to aws hosted version was we had
> never turned power off to the unit in 4yrs the first time we had to move
> server into a different rack, power supply gave out.  Go figure!
>
>
> ​
> Carlos Alcantar
> Race Communications / Race Team Member
> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com
>
>
> 
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Paul Stewart <
> p...@paulstewart.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:28:27 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions
>
> Sure thing – let you know what we decide on doing …. We already have an
> investment in their gear (Ironport) and it works extremely well, but the
> real costs are annual support/licensing.
>
> I looked at Barracuda for ideas and it’s priced similar to Ironport and
> not sure it’s as effective …
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Auer
> Sent: July 22, 2016 12:19 AM
> To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions
>
> If you find something, I'd like to hear about it.
> At one point we were doing 1.2M inbounds per day on a cluster of Barracuda
> appliances but the $/box didn't work once you included hardware refresh.
> Last time we looked around it seemed like everyone had a pet project
> that's fine for small scale but as soon as you want multi-tenant +
> clustering the cost went through the roof.
>
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org
> <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:
> Hey folks…
>
> You guys/gals always have great suggestions and this time I’m wondering
> about email antivirus/antispam appliances (outsourcing not an option) of
> mid sized scale…
>
> Today at $$$job we run Ironport appliances for antispam/antivirus
> protection.  One of the appliances is end of life and needs to be replaced
> and the other two are coming up for maintenance renewal.  These boxes, from
> what I understand, are very expensive.  I have a call into Cisco for
> pricing but they usually take weeks to call back if they ever call back at
> all … enough about them….
>
> So wondering if we should continue down the road with Ironport or consider
> something else.  The number of email accounts continues to drop off over
> time with folks moving to Gmail, Hotmail etc.   These boxes work
> *extremely* good … right now seeing about 3.5% of email is legit and rest
> is spam/virus etc.  Very rare for a spam message to make it through …
>
> Outbound email messages per day approximately 100,000 (varies but average
> number) Inbound email messages per day approximately 2.6 million on average
>
> Anyone use anything on similar scale to provide insight into what they are
> using and how it works?
>
> Thanks,
> Paul
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

[Paul Stewart]

Hehe... murphy at work there ;)

Thanks
Paul

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Alcantar
Sent: July 22, 2016 2:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

Just a heads up barracuda has an aws hosted version.  We ran one for some time 
on aws worked nicely we were able to import out physical barracudas backup.  
Note the reason we had to switch to aws hosted version was we had never turned 
power off to the unit in 4yrs the first time we had to move server into a 
different rack, power supply gave out.  Go figure!


​
Carlos Alcantar
Race Communications / Race Team Member
1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com



From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:28:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

Sure thing – let you know what we decide on doing …. We already have an 
investment in their gear (Ironport) and it works extremely well, but the real 
costs are annual support/licensing.

I looked at Barracuda for ideas and it’s priced similar to Ironport and not 
sure it’s as effective …

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Auer
Sent: July 22, 2016 12:19 AM
To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

If you find something, I'd like to hear about it.
At one point we were doing 1.2M inbounds per day on a cluster of Barracuda 
appliances but the $/box didn't work once you included hardware refresh.
Last time we looked around it seemed like everyone had a pet project that's 
fine for small scale but as soon as you want multi-tenant + clustering the cost 
went through the roof.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Paul Stewart 
<p...@paulstewart.org<mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:
Hey folks…

You guys/gals always have great suggestions and this time I’m wondering about 
email antivirus/antispam appliances (outsourcing not an option) of mid sized 
scale…

Today at $$$job we run Ironport appliances for antispam/antivirus protection.  
One of the appliances is end of life and needs to be replaced and the other two 
are coming up for maintenance renewal.  These boxes, from what I understand, 
are very expensive.  I have a call into Cisco for pricing but they usually take 
weeks to call back if they ever call back at all … enough about them….

So wondering if we should continue down the road with Ironport or consider 
something else.  The number of email accounts continues to drop off over time 
with folks moving to Gmail, Hotmail etc.   These boxes work *extremely* good … 
right now seeing about 3.5% of email is legit and rest is spam/virus etc.  Very 
rare for a spam message to make it through …

Outbound email messages per day approximately 100,000 (varies but average 
number) Inbound email messages per day approximately 2.6 million on average

Anyone use anything on similar scale to provide insight into what they are 
using and how it works?

Thanks,
Paul

Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

[Carlos Alcantar]

Just a heads up barracuda has an aws hosted version.  We ran one for some time 
on aws worked nicely we were able to import out physical barracudas backup.  
Note the reason we had to switch to aws hosted version was we had never turned 
power off to the unit in 4yrs the first time we had to move server into a 
different rack, power supply gave out.  Go figure!


​
Carlos Alcantar
Race Communications / Race Team Member
1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com



From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:28:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

Sure thing – let you know what we decide on doing …. We already have an 
investment in their gear (Ironport) and it works extremely well, but the real 
costs are annual support/licensing.

I looked at Barracuda for ideas and it’s priced similar to Ironport and not 
sure it’s as effective …

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Auer
Sent: July 22, 2016 12:19 AM
To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

If you find something, I'd like to hear about it.
At one point we were doing 1.2M inbounds per day on a cluster of Barracuda 
appliances but the $/box didn't work once you included hardware refresh.
Last time we looked around it seemed like everyone had a pet project that's 
fine for small scale but as soon as you want multi-tenant + clustering the cost 
went through the roof.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Paul Stewart 
<p...@paulstewart.org<mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:
Hey folks…

You guys/gals always have great suggestions and this time I’m wondering about 
email antivirus/antispam appliances (outsourcing not an option) of mid sized 
scale…

Today at $$$job we run Ironport appliances for antispam/antivirus protection.  
One of the appliances is end of life and needs to be replaced and the other two 
are coming up for maintenance renewal.  These boxes, from what I understand, 
are very expensive.  I have a call into Cisco for pricing but they usually take 
weeks to call back if they ever call back at all … enough about them….

So wondering if we should continue down the road with Ironport or consider 
something else.  The number of email accounts continues to drop off over time 
with folks moving to Gmail, Hotmail etc.   These boxes work *extremely* good … 
right now seeing about 3.5% of email is legit and rest is spam/virus etc.  Very 
rare for a spam message to make it through …

Outbound email messages per day approximately 100,000 (varies but average 
number)
Inbound email messages per day approximately 2.6 million on average

Anyone use anything on similar scale to provide insight into what they are 
using and how it works?

Thanks,
Paul

Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

[Paul Stewart]

Sure thing – let you know what we decide on doing …. We already have an 
investment in their gear (Ironport) and it works extremely well, but the real 
costs are annual support/licensing.

 

I looked at Barracuda for ideas and it’s priced similar to Ironport and not 
sure it’s as effective … 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Auer
Sent: July 22, 2016 12:19 AM
To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

 

If you find something, I'd like to hear about it.

At one point we were doing 1.2M inbounds per day on a cluster of Barracuda 
appliances but the $/box didn't work once you included hardware refresh.

Last time we looked around it seemed like everyone had a pet project that's 
fine for small scale but as soon as you want multi-tenant + clustering the cost 
went through the roof.

 

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org 
<mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

Hey folks…

 

You guys/gals always have great suggestions and this time I’m wondering about 
email antivirus/antispam appliances (outsourcing not an option) of mid sized 
scale… 

 

Today at $$$job we run Ironport appliances for antispam/antivirus protection.  
One of the appliances is end of life and needs to be replaced and the other two 
are coming up for maintenance renewal.  These boxes, from what I understand, 
are very expensive.  I have a call into Cisco for pricing but they usually take 
weeks to call back if they ever call back at all … enough about them….

 

So wondering if we should continue down the road with Ironport or consider 
something else.  The number of email accounts continues to drop off over time 
with folks moving to Gmail, Hotmail etc.   These boxes work *extremely* good … 
right now seeing about 3.5% of email is legit and rest is spam/virus etc.  Very 
rare for a spam message to make it through … 

 

Outbound email messages per day approximately 100,000 (varies but average 
number)

Inbound email messages per day approximately 2.6 million on average

 

Anyone use anything on similar scale to provide insight into what they are 
using and how it works?

 

Thanks,

Paul

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

[Jon Auer]

If you find something, I'd like to hear about it.
At one point we were doing 1.2M inbounds per day on a cluster of Barracuda
appliances but the $/box didn't work once you included hardware refresh.
Last time we looked around it seemed like everyone had a pet project that's
fine for small scale but as soon as you want multi-tenant + clustering the
cost went through the roof.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> Hey folks…
>
>
>
> You guys/gals always have great suggestions and this time I’m wondering
> about email antivirus/antispam appliances (outsourcing not an option) of
> mid sized scale…
>
>
>
> Today at $$$job we run Ironport appliances for antispam/antivirus
> protection.  One of the appliances is end of life and needs to be replaced
> and the other two are coming up for maintenance renewal.  These boxes, from
> what I understand, are very expensive.  I have a call into Cisco for
> pricing but they usually take weeks to call back if they ever call back at
> all … enough about them….
>
>
>
> So wondering if we should continue down the road with Ironport or consider
> something else.  The number of email accounts continues to drop off over
> time with folks moving to Gmail, Hotmail etc.   These boxes work *
> *extremely** good … right now seeing about 3.5% of email is legit and
> rest is spam/virus etc.  Very rare for a spam message to make it through …
>
>
>
> Outbound email messages per day approximately 100,000 (varies but average
> number)
>
> Inbound email messages per day approximately 2.6 million on average
>
>
>
> Anyone use anything on similar scale to provide insight into what they are
> using and how it works?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
>
>