Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

[Chris Fabien]

These are really nice little generators. We had a site lose access to
utility power (long story) and ran it off one of these Honda EU2000i for
about 3 months.

The factory gasoline models have a fuel pump and will suck fuel from a
large container as long as the system is air tight. We used a 12 gallon
boat gas tank and it would run about 6 days on 10 gallons of fuel with a
very light load (less than 50W). In ECO mode it will throttle down to a
pretty low RPM if you have a light load like this.

The spec is 100hour oil changes, I used high end synthetic oil and changed
the oil every other fueling, so every 300 hours approximately.

We had no problems with leaving the unit exposed to the rain with a normal
extension cord plugged in to the outlet.

We tried this with the $89 harbor freight 2-cycle generators too, they did
better than expected but only lasted usually 2-4 weeks before they failed.
Not bad for $89 though.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 4:29 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> 24-48 on a 20lb depending on load and whether its in ecomode
> I think this model spec sheet says it averages .7lb/hr, the one it
> replaced was smaller, we put a 40lb tank if its a weekend or bad storm
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Earlier he said 20lb tank for 48 hours.
>>
>> but on an inverter generator I'm sure it will vary with load.
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Brandon Yuchasz" <li...@gogebicrange.net>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 8/4/2017 3:47:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback sounds like it would be a cleaner solution.
>> Ironically I am babysitting a site right now that lost power.
>>
>> How many pound tank do you usually take with it and how long of run time
>> do you get?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brandon
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 03, 2017 7:31 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator
>>
>>
>>
>> They recomend running the exaust at the tank in the winter, its caveated
>> with keeping it at a safe distance. They start fine in the cold. There is a
>> model with waterproof plugs, but weve never had issue with rain or snow.
>>
>> These are nice, i can toss it in my front seat with a tall tank in my
>> alero, the gas ones were too big. We have 5 or six portable gas generators
>> collecting dust now
>>
>> Transport of fuel and runtime are huge factors, 48 hours of gasoline is
>> alot of gas, and youd need an external tank. Propane wont varnish your
>> engine guts either. The only thing i dont like about propane is around here
>> nobody will top off tanks by weight, they charge a full fill rate, so short
>> runs are irritating. Talked to the local propane dealer about topping off
>> from our office generator tank, but the pump would be expensive and
>> insuring that is expensive.
>>
>> We have a split hose too so we can run dual tanks if we know a site will
>> be down for an extended time.
>>
>>
>>
>> We do have some lightweight carbon fiber tanks that you can see the
>> liquid level, those are nice. We also use a big heavy chain and padlock to
>> keep the generator from walking away, these WILL get stolen.
>>
>>
>>
>> They have a standby with remote start and all that jazz for about 5k, its
>> way more generator than any of our sites need, but its an option.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 3, 2017 7:03 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> Because gas goes stale, spoils, coats the insides of everything with
>> varnish etc.
>>
>> Propane is OK in cold weather but there is a minimum tank size for
>> specific deliveries at different low temps.  The more gas you need or the
>> lower the temp the larger the tank.
>>
>>
>>
>> But for a small generator like this, I really think a 5 gallon tank will
>> take you to below zero.
>>
>> Perfectly efficient 1000 watts is 3412 Btu/hr  But in the real world
>> figure 10 btu/hr per watt.
>>
>>
>>
>> If it scales linearly, a 5 gallon tank can deliver about 5000 btu/hr at 0
>> degrees F.
>>
>> So perhaps a 500 watt load on the generator.
>>
>>
>>
>> Actually I found a chart:
>>
>> [image: image]
>>
>>
>>
>> So, assuming you need 10,000 BTU for 1000 watts, your 5 gallon barbecue
>> grill tank

Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

[Steve Jones]

24-48 on a 20lb depending on load and whether its in ecomode
I think this model spec sheet says it averages .7lb/hr, the one it replaced
was smaller, we put a 40lb tank if its a weekend or bad storm

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Earlier he said 20lb tank for 48 hours.
>
> but on an inverter generator I'm sure it will vary with load.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Brandon Yuchasz" <li...@gogebicrange.net>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/4/2017 3:47:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator
>
> Thanks for the feedback sounds like it would be a cleaner solution.
> Ironically I am babysitting a site right now that lost power.
>
> How many pound tank do you usually take with it and how long of run time
> do you get?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 03, 2017 7:31 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator
>
>
>
> They recomend running the exaust at the tank in the winter, its caveated
> with keeping it at a safe distance. They start fine in the cold. There is a
> model with waterproof plugs, but weve never had issue with rain or snow.
>
> These are nice, i can toss it in my front seat with a tall tank in my
> alero, the gas ones were too big. We have 5 or six portable gas generators
> collecting dust now
>
> Transport of fuel and runtime are huge factors, 48 hours of gasoline is
> alot of gas, and youd need an external tank. Propane wont varnish your
> engine guts either. The only thing i dont like about propane is around here
> nobody will top off tanks by weight, they charge a full fill rate, so short
> runs are irritating. Talked to the local propane dealer about topping off
> from our office generator tank, but the pump would be expensive and
> insuring that is expensive.
>
> We have a split hose too so we can run dual tanks if we know a site will
> be down for an extended time.
>
>
>
> We do have some lightweight carbon fiber tanks that you can see the liquid
> level, those are nice. We also use a big heavy chain and padlock to keep
> the generator from walking away, these WILL get stolen.
>
>
>
> They have a standby with remote start and all that jazz for about 5k, its
> way more generator than any of our sites need, but its an option.
>
>
>
> On Aug 3, 2017 7:03 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> Because gas goes stale, spoils, coats the insides of everything with
> varnish etc.
>
> Propane is OK in cold weather but there is a minimum tank size for
> specific deliveries at different low temps.  The more gas you need or the
> lower the temp the larger the tank.
>
>
>
> But for a small generator like this, I really think a 5 gallon tank will
> take you to below zero.
>
> Perfectly efficient 1000 watts is 3412 Btu/hr  But in the real world
> figure 10 btu/hr per watt.
>
>
>
> If it scales linearly, a 5 gallon tank can deliver about 5000 btu/hr at 0
> degrees F.
>
> So perhaps a 500 watt load on the generator.
>
>
>
> Actually I found a chart:
>
> [image: image]
>
>
>
> So, assuming you need 10,000 BTU for 1000 watts, your 5 gallon barbecue
> grill tank will work down to 0 degrees until it drops below 20% full.
>
>
>
> *From:* Brandon Yuchasz
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 03, 2017 5:49 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator
>
>
>
> We are in need of a new generator so I am following along with interest.
> My question is why not just use gas instead of propane? What is the up
> side. Second question is how does the propane fair in cold weather. Say 20F
> or less?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 03, 2017 6:22 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator
>
>
>
> How do you weatherproof it, aren't the plugs just exposed on the side?
>
> On 8/3/2017 5:09 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> http://www.genconnexdirect.net/honda_propane_modified_generators.htm
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] <
> j...@brazoswifi.com> wrote:
>
> Where did you buy that nice machine?
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
>
>
>
>  Original message 
>
> From: Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>
> Date: 8/3/17 1:05 PM (GMT-06:00)
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator
>
>
>
> We have a smaller one that started having problems, but this has all the
> prpane guts on the inside and a quick connect hose. Will run close to 48
> hours on a small tank in eco mode.
>
> Easy to start, runs like a champ in all weather conditions
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

[chuck]

Yep what is the electrical load?  
Multiply by 10 for BTU/hr.  
One gallon of propane = 21,600 BTU.

Say 1000 watts needs 10,000 btus per hour.
So a half gallon per hour.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

Earlier he said 20lb tank for 48 hours.

but on an inverter generator I'm sure it will vary with load.

-- Original Message --
From: "Brandon Yuchasz" <li...@gogebicrange.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/4/2017 3:47:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

  Thanks for the feedback sounds like it would be a cleaner solution. 
Ironically I am babysitting a site right now that lost power. 

  How many pound tank do you usually take with it and how long of run time do 
you get?

   

  Thanks,

  Brandon

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 7:31 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

   

  They recomend running the exaust at the tank in the winter, its caveated with 
keeping it at a safe distance. They start fine in the cold. There is a model 
with waterproof plugs, but weve never had issue with rain or snow.

  These are nice, i can toss it in my front seat with a tall tank in my alero, 
the gas ones were too big. We have 5 or six portable gas generators collecting 
dust now

  Transport of fuel and runtime are huge factors, 48 hours of gasoline is alot 
of gas, and youd need an external tank. Propane wont varnish your engine guts 
either. The only thing i dont like about propane is around here nobody will top 
off tanks by weight, they charge a full fill rate, so short runs are 
irritating. Talked to the local propane dealer about topping off from our 
office generator tank, but the pump would be expensive and insuring that is 
expensive.

  We have a split hose too so we can run dual tanks if we know a site will be 
down for an extended time.

   

  We do have some lightweight carbon fiber tanks that you can see the liquid 
level, those are nice. We also use a big heavy chain and padlock to keep the 
generator from walking away, these WILL get stolen.

   

  They have a standby with remote start and all that jazz for about 5k, its way 
more generator than any of our sites need, but its an option.

   

  On Aug 3, 2017 7:03 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Because gas goes stale, spoils, coats the insides of everything with varnish 
etc.  

  Propane is OK in cold weather but there is a minimum tank size for specific 
deliveries at different low temps.  The more gas you need or the lower the temp 
the larger the tank.

   

  But for a small generator like this, I really think a 5 gallon tank will take 
you to below zero.  

  Perfectly efficient 1000 watts is 3412 Btu/hr  But in the real world figure 
10 btu/hr per watt.  

   

  If it scales linearly, a 5 gallon tank can deliver about 5000 btu/hr at 0 
degrees F.  

  So perhaps a 500 watt load on the generator.  

   

  Actually I found a chart:



   

  So, assuming you need 10,000 BTU for 1000 watts, your 5 gallon barbecue grill 
tank will work down to 0 degrees until it drops below 20% full.  

   

  From: Brandon Yuchasz 

  Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 5:49 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

   

  We are in need of a new generator so I am following along with interest. My 
question is why not just use gas instead of propane? What is the up side. 
Second question is how does the propane fair in cold weather. Say 20F or less?

   

  Thanks,

  Brandon

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
  Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 6:22 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

   

  How do you weatherproof it, aren't the plugs just exposed on the side?  

  On 8/3/2017 5:09 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

http://www.genconnexdirect.net/honda_propane_modified_generators.htm

 

 

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
<j...@brazoswifi.com> wrote:

Where did you buy that nice machine?

 

Jim

 

 

 

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone

 

 

 Original message 

From: Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 

Date: 8/3/17 1:05 PM (GMT-06:00) 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator 

 

We have a smaller one that started having problems, but this has all the 
prpane guts on the inside and a quick connect hose. Will run close to 48 hours 
on a small tank in eco mode. 

Easy to start, runs like a champ in all weather conditions

 

   

   

Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

[Adam Moffett]

Earlier he said 20lb tank for 48 hours.

but on an inverter generator I'm sure it will vary with load.

-- Original Message --
From: "Brandon Yuchasz" <li...@gogebicrange.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/4/2017 3:47:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

Thanks for the feedback sounds like it would be a cleaner solution. 
Ironically I am babysitting a site right now that lost power.


How many pound tank do you usually take with it and how long of run 
time do you get?




Thanks,

Brandon



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 7:31 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator



They recomend running the exaust at the tank in the winter, its 
caveated with keeping it at a safe distance. They start fine in the 
cold. There is a model with waterproof plugs, but weve never had issue 
with rain or snow.


These are nice, i can toss it in my front seat with a tall tank in my 
alero, the gas ones were too big. We have 5 or six portable gas 
generators collecting dust now


Transport of fuel and runtime are huge factors, 48 hours of gasoline is 
alot of gas, and youd need an external tank. Propane wont varnish your 
engine guts either. The only thing i dont like about propane is around 
here nobody will top off tanks by weight, they charge a full fill rate, 
so short runs are irritating. Talked to the local propane dealer about 
topping off from our office generator tank, but the pump would be 
expensive and insuring that is expensive.


We have a split hose too so we can run dual tanks if we know a site 
will be down for an extended time.




We do have some lightweight carbon fiber tanks that you can see the 
liquid level, those are nice. We also use a big heavy chain and padlock 
to keep the generator from walking away, these WILL get stolen.




They have a standby with remote start and all that jazz for about 5k, 
its way more generator than any of our sites need, but its an option.




On Aug 3, 2017 7:03 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Because gas goes stale, spoils, coats the insides of everything with 
varnish etc.


Propane is OK in cold weather but there is a minimum tank size for 
specific deliveries at different low temps.  The more gas you need or 
the lower the temp the larger the tank.




But for a small generator like this, I really think a 5 gallon tank 
will take you to below zero.


Perfectly efficient 1000 watts is 3412 Btu/hr  But in the real world 
figure 10 btu/hr per watt.




If it scales linearly, a 5 gallon tank can deliver about 5000 btu/hr at 
0 degrees F.


So perhaps a 500 watt load on the generator.



Actually I found a chart:




So, assuming you need 10,000 BTU for 1000 watts, your 5 gallon barbecue 
grill tank will work down to 0 degrees until it drops below 20% full.




From: Brandon Yuchasz

Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 5:49 PM

To:af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator



We are in need of a new generator so I am following along with 
interest. My question is why not just use gas instead of propane? What 
is the up side. Second question is how does the propane fair in cold 
weather. Say 20F or less?




Thanks,

Brandon





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 6:22 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator



How do you weatherproof it, aren't the plugs just exposed on the side?

On 8/3/2017 5:09 PM, Steve Jones wrote:


http://www.genconnexdirect.net/honda_propane_modified_generators.htm





On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
<j...@brazoswifi.com> wrote:


Where did you buy that nice machine?



Jim







Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone





 Original message 

From: Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>

Date: 8/3/17 1:05 PM (GMT-06:00)

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator



We have a smaller one that started having problems, but this has all 
the prpane guts on the inside and a quick connect hose. Will run close 
to 48 hours on a small tank in eco mode.


Easy to start, runs like a champ in all weather conditions

Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

[Brandon Yuchasz]

Thanks for the feedback sounds like it would be a cleaner solution. Ironically 
I am babysitting a site right now that lost power. 

How many pound tank do you usually take with it and how long of run time do you 
get?

 

Thanks,

Brandon

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 7:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

 

They recomend running the exaust at the tank in the winter, its caveated with 
keeping it at a safe distance. They start fine in the cold. There is a model 
with waterproof plugs, but weve never had issue with rain or snow.

These are nice, i can toss it in my front seat with a tall tank in my alero, 
the gas ones were too big. We have 5 or six portable gas generators collecting 
dust now

Transport of fuel and runtime are huge factors, 48 hours of gasoline is alot of 
gas, and youd need an external tank. Propane wont varnish your engine guts 
either. The only thing i dont like about propane is around here nobody will top 
off tanks by weight, they charge a full fill rate, so short runs are 
irritating. Talked to the local propane dealer about topping off from our 
office generator tank, but the pump would be expensive and insuring that is 
expensive.

We have a split hose too so we can run dual tanks if we know a site will be 
down for an extended time.

 

We do have some lightweight carbon fiber tanks that you can see the liquid 
level, those are nice. We also use a big heavy chain and padlock to keep the 
generator from walking away, these WILL get stolen.

 

They have a standby with remote start and all that jazz for about 5k, its way 
more generator than any of our sites need, but its an option.

 

On Aug 3, 2017 7:03 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Because gas goes stale, spoils, coats the insides of everything with varnish 
etc.  

Propane is OK in cold weather but there is a minimum tank size for specific 
deliveries at different low temps.  The more gas you need or the lower the temp 
the larger the tank.

 

But for a small generator like this, I really think a 5 gallon tank will take 
you to below zero.  

Perfectly efficient 1000 watts is 3412 Btu/hr  But in the real world figure 10 
btu/hr per watt.  

 

If it scales linearly, a 5 gallon tank can deliver about 5000 btu/hr at 0 
degrees F.  

So perhaps a 500 watt load on the generator.  

 

Actually I found a chart:

image

 

So, assuming you need 10,000 BTU for 1000 watts, your 5 gallon barbecue grill 
tank will work down to 0 degrees until it drops below 20% full.  

 

From: Brandon Yuchasz 

Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 5:49 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

 

We are in need of a new generator so I am following along with interest. My 
question is why not just use gas instead of propane? What is the up side. 
Second question is how does the propane fair in cold weather. Say 20F or less?

 

Thanks,

Brandon

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 6:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

 

How do you weatherproof it, aren't the plugs just exposed on the side?  

On 8/3/2017 5:09 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

 <http://www.genconnexdirect.net/honda_propane_modified_generators.htm> 
http://www.genconnexdirect.net/honda_propane_modified_generators.htm

 

 

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] <j...@brazoswifi.com> 
wrote:

Where did you buy that nice machine?

 

Jim

 

 

 

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone

 

 

 Original message 

From: Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 

Date: 8/3/17 1:05 PM (GMT-06:00) 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator 

 

We have a smaller one that started having problems, but this has all the prpane 
guts on the inside and a quick connect hose. Will run close to 48 hours on a 
small tank in eco mode. 

Easy to start, runs like a champ in all weather conditions

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

[chuck]

I wonder how it works.  It has to deliver more fuel when the generator is under 
load.  Must have some kind of valve that is vacuum actuated.  

From: Jason Wilson 
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 12:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

I have not used this but I have heard good things.  
http://www.motorsnorkel.com/motor-snorkel-tri-fuel-natural-gas-propane-and-gasoline-conversion-kit-3554.html
 



On Aug 3, 2017 6:22 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  If you have a liquid pickup on your large tank you can top them with gravity 
only.  It’s wastes a bit if fuel but you can fill them all the way up.  

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 6:31 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

  They recomend running the exaust at the tank in the winter, its caveated with 
keeping it at a safe distance. They start fine in the cold. There is a model 
with waterproof plugs, but weve never had issue with rain or snow. 
  These are nice, i can toss it in my front seat with a tall tank in my alero, 
the gas ones were too big. We have 5 or six portable gas generators collecting 
dust now
  Transport of fuel and runtime are huge factors, 48 hours of gasoline is alot 
of gas, and youd need an external tank. Propane wont varnish your engine guts 
either. The only thing i dont like about propane is around here nobody will top 
off tanks by weight, they charge a full fill rate, so short runs are 
irritating. Talked to the local propane dealer about topping off from our 
office generator tank, but the pump would be expensive and insuring that is 
expensive.
  We have a split hose too so we can run dual tanks if we know a site will be 
down for an extended time.

  We do have some lightweight carbon fiber tanks that you can see the liquid 
level, those are nice. We also use a big heavy chain and padlock to keep the 
generator from walking away, these WILL get stolen.

  They have a standby with remote start and all that jazz for about 5k, its way 
more generator than any of our sites need, but its an option.

  On Aug 3, 2017 7:03 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Because gas goes stale, spoils, coats the insides of everything with 
varnish etc.  
Propane is OK in cold weather but there is a minimum tank size for specific 
deliveries at different low temps.  The more gas you need or the lower the temp 
the larger the tank.

But for a small generator like this, I really think a 5 gallon tank will 
take you to below zero.  
Perfectly efficient 1000 watts is 3412 Btu/hr  But in the real world figure 
10 btu/hr per watt.  

If it scales linearly, a 5 gallon tank can deliver about 5000 btu/hr at 0 
degrees F.  
So perhaps a 500 watt load on the generator.  

Actually I found a chart:


So, assuming you need 10,000 BTU for 1000 watts, your 5 gallon barbecue 
grill tank will work down to 0 degrees until it drops below 20% full.  


From: Brandon Yuchasz 
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 5:49 PM
    To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

We are in need of a new generator so I am following along with interest. My 
question is why not just use gas instead of propane? What is the up side. 
Second question is how does the propane fair in cold weather. Say 20F or less?



Thanks,

Brandon





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 6:22 PM
    To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator



How do you weatherproof it, aren't the plugs just exposed on the side?  

On 8/3/2017 5:09 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

  http://www.genconnexdirect.net/honda_propane_modified_generators.htm





  On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
<j...@brazoswifi.com> wrote:

  Where did you buy that nice machine?



  Jim







  Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone





   Original message 

  From: Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 

  Date: 8/3/17 1:05 PM (GMT-06:00) 

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator 



  We have a smaller one that started having problems, but this has all the 
prpane guts on the inside and a quick connect hose. Will run close to 48 hours 
on a small tank in eco mode. 

  Easy to start, runs like a champ in all weather conditions

Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

[Jason Wilson]

I have not used this but I have heard good things.
http://www.motorsnorkel.com/motor-snorkel-tri-fuel-natural-gas-propane-and-gasoline-conversion-kit-3554.html



On Aug 3, 2017 6:22 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> If you have a liquid pickup on your large tank you can top them with
> gravity only.  It’s wastes a bit if fuel but you can fill them all the way
> up.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 03, 2017 6:31 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator
>
> They recomend running the exaust at the tank in the winter, its caveated
> with keeping it at a safe distance. They start fine in the cold. There is a
> model with waterproof plugs, but weve never had issue with rain or snow.
> These are nice, i can toss it in my front seat with a tall tank in my
> alero, the gas ones were too big. We have 5 or six portable gas generators
> collecting dust now
> Transport of fuel and runtime are huge factors, 48 hours of gasoline is
> alot of gas, and youd need an external tank. Propane wont varnish your
> engine guts either. The only thing i dont like about propane is around here
> nobody will top off tanks by weight, they charge a full fill rate, so short
> runs are irritating. Talked to the local propane dealer about topping off
> from our office generator tank, but the pump would be expensive and
> insuring that is expensive.
> We have a split hose too so we can run dual tanks if we know a site will
> be down for an extended time.
>
> We do have some lightweight carbon fiber tanks that you can see the liquid
> level, those are nice. We also use a big heavy chain and padlock to keep
> the generator from walking away, these WILL get stolen.
>
> They have a standby with remote start and all that jazz for about 5k, its
> way more generator than any of our sites need, but its an option.
>
> On Aug 3, 2017 7:03 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> Because gas goes stale, spoils, coats the insides of everything with
> varnish etc.
> Propane is OK in cold weather but there is a minimum tank size for
> specific deliveries at different low temps.  The more gas you need or the
> lower the temp the larger the tank.
>
> But for a small generator like this, I really think a 5 gallon tank will
> take you to below zero.
> Perfectly efficient 1000 watts is 3412 Btu/hr  But in the real world
> figure 10 btu/hr per watt.
>
> If it scales linearly, a 5 gallon tank can deliver about 5000 btu/hr at 0
> degrees F.
> So perhaps a 500 watt load on the generator.
>
> Actually I found a chart:
> [image: image]
>
> So, assuming you need 10,000 BTU for 1000 watts, your 5 gallon barbecue
> grill tank will work down to 0 degrees until it drops below 20% full.
>
>
> *From:* Brandon Yuchasz
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 03, 2017 5:49 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator
>
>
> We are in need of a new generator so I am following along with interest.
> My question is why not just use gas instead of propane? What is the up
> side. Second question is how does the propane fair in cold weather. Say 20F
> or less?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 03, 2017 6:22 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator
>
>
>
> How do you weatherproof it, aren't the plugs just exposed on the side?
>
> On 8/3/2017 5:09 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> http://www.genconnexdirect.net/honda_propane_modified_generators.htm
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] <
> j...@brazoswifi.com> wrote:
>
> Where did you buy that nice machine?
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
>
>
>
>  Original message 
>
> From: Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>
> Date: 8/3/17 1:05 PM (GMT-06:00)
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator
>
>
>
> We have a smaller one that started having problems, but this has all the
> prpane guts on the inside and a quick connect hose. Will run close to 48
> hours on a small tank in eco mode.
>
> Easy to start, runs like a champ in all weather conditions
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

[Steve Jones]

They recomend running the exaust at the tank in the winter, its caveated
with keeping it at a safe distance. They start fine in the cold. There is a
model with waterproof plugs, but weve never had issue with rain or snow.
These are nice, i can toss it in my front seat with a tall tank in my
alero, the gas ones were too big. We have 5 or six portable gas generators
collecting dust now
Transport of fuel and runtime are huge factors, 48 hours of gasoline is
alot of gas, and youd need an external tank. Propane wont varnish your
engine guts either. The only thing i dont like about propane is around here
nobody will top off tanks by weight, they charge a full fill rate, so short
runs are irritating. Talked to the local propane dealer about topping off
from our office generator tank, but the pump would be expensive and
insuring that is expensive.
We have a split hose too so we can run dual tanks if we know a site will be
down for an extended time.

We do have some lightweight carbon fiber tanks that you can see the liquid
level, those are nice. We also use a big heavy chain and padlock to keep
the generator from walking away, these WILL get stolen.

They have a standby with remote start and all that jazz for about 5k, its
way more generator than any of our sites need, but its an option.

On Aug 3, 2017 7:03 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Because gas goes stale, spoils, coats the insides of everything with
varnish etc.
Propane is OK in cold weather but there is a minimum tank size for specific
deliveries at different low temps.  The more gas you need or the lower the
temp the larger the tank.

But for a small generator like this, I really think a 5 gallon tank will
take you to below zero.
Perfectly efficient 1000 watts is 3412 Btu/hr  But in the real world figure
10 btu/hr per watt.

If it scales linearly, a 5 gallon tank can deliver about 5000 btu/hr at 0
degrees F.
So perhaps a 500 watt load on the generator.

Actually I found a chart:
[image: image]

So, assuming you need 10,000 BTU for 1000 watts, your 5 gallon barbecue
grill tank will work down to 0 degrees until it drops below 20% full.


*From:* Brandon Yuchasz

*Sent:* Thursday, August 03, 2017 5:49 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator


We are in need of a new generator so I am following along with interest. My
question is why not just use gas instead of propane? What is the up side.
Second question is how does the propane fair in cold weather. Say 20F or
less?



Thanks,

Brandon





*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Thursday, August 03, 2017 6:22 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator



How do you weatherproof it, aren't the plugs just exposed on the side?

On 8/3/2017 5:09 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

http://www.genconnexdirect.net/honda_propane_modified_generators.htm





On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] <j...@brazoswifi.com>
wrote:

Where did you buy that nice machine?



Jim







Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone





 Original message 

From: Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>

Date: 8/3/17 1:05 PM (GMT-06:00)

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator



We have a smaller one that started having problems, but this has all the
prpane guts on the inside and a quick connect hose. Will run close to 48
hours on a small tank in eco mode.

Easy to start, runs like a champ in all weather conditions

Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

[Chuck McCown]

Because gas goes stale, spoils, coats the insides of everything with varnish 
etc.  
Propane is OK in cold weather but there is a minimum tank size for specific 
deliveries at different low temps.  The more gas you need or the lower the temp 
the larger the tank.

But for a small generator like this, I really think a 5 gallon tank will take 
you to below zero.  
Perfectly efficient 1000 watts is 3412 Btu/hr  But in the real world figure 10 
btu/hr per watt.  

If it scales linearly, a 5 gallon tank can deliver about 5000 btu/hr at 0 
degrees F.  
So perhaps a 500 watt load on the generator.  

Actually I found a chart:


So, assuming you need 10,000 BTU for 1000 watts, your 5 gallon barbecue grill 
tank will work down to 0 degrees until it drops below 20% full.  


From: Brandon Yuchasz 

Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 5:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

We are in need of a new generator so I am following along with interest. My 
question is why not just use gas instead of propane? What is the up side. 
Second question is how does the propane fair in cold weather. Say 20F or less?

 

Thanks,

Brandon

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 6:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

 

How do you weatherproof it, aren't the plugs just exposed on the side?  

On 8/3/2017 5:09 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

  http://www.genconnexdirect.net/honda_propane_modified_generators.htm

   

   

  On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] <j...@brazoswifi.com> 
wrote:

  Where did you buy that nice machine?

   

  Jim

   

   

   

  Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone

   

   

   Original message 

  From: Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 

  Date: 8/3/17 1:05 PM (GMT-06:00) 

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator 

   

  We have a smaller one that started having problems, but this has all the 
prpane guts on the inside and a quick connect hose. Will run close to 48 hours 
on a small tank in eco mode. 

  Easy to start, runs like a champ in all weather conditions

   

 

Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

[Brandon Yuchasz]

We are in need of a new generator so I am following along with interest. My 
question is why not just use gas instead of propane? What is the up side. 
Second question is how does the propane fair in cold weather. Say 20F or less?

 

Thanks,

Brandon

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 6:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

 

How do you weatherproof it, aren't the plugs just exposed on the side?  

On 8/3/2017 5:09 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

 <http://www.genconnexdirect.net/honda_propane_modified_generators.htm> 
http://www.genconnexdirect.net/honda_propane_modified_generators.htm

 

 

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] <j...@brazoswifi.com> 
wrote:

Where did you buy that nice machine?

 

Jim

 

 

 

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone

 

 

 Original message 

From: Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 

Date: 8/3/17 1:05 PM (GMT-06:00) 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator 

 

We have a smaller one that started having problems, but this has all the prpane 
guts on the inside and a quick connect hose. Will run close to 48 hours on a 
small tank in eco mode. 

Easy to start, runs like a champ in all weather conditions

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

[Nate Burke]

How do you weatherproof it, aren't the plugs just exposed on the side?

On 8/3/2017 5:09 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
http://www.genconnexdirect.net/honda_propane_modified_generators.htm 




On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
> wrote:


Where did you buy that nice machine?

Jim



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone


 Original message 
From: Steve Jones >
Date: 8/3/17 1:05 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

We have a smaller one that started having problems, but this has
all the prpane guts on the inside and a quick connect hose. Will
run close to 48 hours on a small tank in eco mode.
Easy to start, runs like a champ in all weather conditions

Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

[Steve Jones]

http://www.genconnexdirect.net/honda_propane_modified_generators.htm


On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
wrote:

> Where did you buy that nice machine?
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Steve Jones 
> Date: 8/3/17 1:05 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator
>
> We have a smaller one that started having problems, but this has all the
> prpane guts on the inside and a quick connect hose. Will run close to 48
> hours on a small tank in eco mode.
> Easy to start, runs like a champ in all weather conditions
>

Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

Where did you buy that nice machine?

Jim



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone


 Original message 
From: Steve Jones 
Date: 8/3/17 1:05 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

We have a smaller one that started having problems, but this has all the prpane 
guts on the inside and a quick connect hose. Will run close to 48 hours on a 
small tank in eco mode.
Easy to start, runs like a champ in all weather conditions

Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

[Steve Jones]

lol, thats a thing with these, they ship with a little oil, they wont run
unless the oils is full, this got us when we get the first one, fought it
for like an hour before fully filling it to the top
we never changed the oil on the little one one time, it had to have had
over a thousand hours

modified
http://www.genconnexdirect.net/honda_propane_modified_generators.htm

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 1:19 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> ​I'm pretty sure you need to change the oil every 20 hours. ​
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
>
>> Did you buy it with propane, or is it the kit, like on amazon?
>>
>>
>> On 08/03/2017 11:05 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>>> We have a smaller one that started having problems, but this has all the
>>> prpane guts on the inside and a quick connect hose. Will run close to 48
>>> hours on a small tank in eco mode.
>>> Easy to start, runs like a champ in all weather conditions
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

[Robert Andrews]

oops, old manual, they now say 100 hours...

On 08/03/2017 11:37 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:

That's the first oil change, after that it's supposed to be every 50
hours.   We haven't been getting that far without getting to the low oil
light.  But that's on the eu1000...

On 08/03/2017 11:19 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:

​I'm pretty sure you need to change the oil every 20 hours. ​

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Robert Andrews > wrote:

Did you buy it with propane, or is it the kit, like on amazon?


On 08/03/2017 11:05 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

We have a smaller one that started having problems, but this has
all the
prpane guts on the inside and a quick connect hose. Will run
close to 48
hours on a small tank in eco mode.
Easy to start, runs like a champ in all weather conditions

Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

[Robert Andrews]

That's the first oil change, after that it's supposed to be every 50 
hours.   We haven't been getting that far without getting to the low oil 
light.  But that's on the eu1000...


On 08/03/2017 11:19 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:

​I'm pretty sure you need to change the oil every 20 hours. ​

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Robert Andrews > wrote:

Did you buy it with propane, or is it the kit, like on amazon?


On 08/03/2017 11:05 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

We have a smaller one that started having problems, but this has
all the
prpane guts on the inside and a quick connect hose. Will run
close to 48
hours on a small tank in eco mode.
Easy to start, runs like a champ in all weather conditions

Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

[can...@believewireless.net]

​I'm pretty sure you need to change the oil every 20 hours. ​

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> Did you buy it with propane, or is it the kit, like on amazon?
>
>
> On 08/03/2017 11:05 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
>> We have a smaller one that started having problems, but this has all the
>> prpane guts on the inside and a quick connect hose. Will run close to 48
>> hours on a small tank in eco mode.
>> Easy to start, runs like a champ in all weather conditions
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

[Robert Andrews]

Did you buy it with propane, or is it the kit, like on amazon?

On 08/03/2017 11:05 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

We have a smaller one that started having problems, but this has all the
prpane guts on the inside and a quick connect hose. Will run close to 48
hours on a small tank in eco mode.
Easy to start, runs like a champ in all weather conditions

Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

[Robert Andrews]

Wow, so how is it on oil usage for that long a run?

On 08/03/2017 11:05 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

We have a smaller one that started having problems, but this has all the
prpane guts on the inside and a quick connect hose. Will run close to 48
hours on a small tank in eco mode.
Easy to start, runs like a champ in all weather conditions