Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

[Dave]

I am working on this for a campus that takes care of abandon and abused 
children. They have house parents who are looking to foster or adopt in 
these house cottages.
 We have Epmp for outdoor infrastructure and Mikrotik for all Indoor 
currently. Capsman is great for this.
We are setting up radius with a portal to allow the parents to disable 
service on a schedule or manually if needed. So far a great challenge 
but I am about to pull what hair I have left out trying to figure out 
these certs and getting the server to pass authentication to Capsman.




On 01/26/2017 05:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I think the point is that anything that gets changed on a daily basis, 
the customer will have to do themselves.  We’re not going to be the 
homework police for $5/month.  (Also, any 14 year old knows how to 
spoof a MAC address.)


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 5:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

Calix can do that and they have an app for your phone so you can 
change those settings on the fly even if you're away from home.


-Sean

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 4:09 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:


Customer called wanting to be able to call us each day and have us
disable Internet to each kid’s computer until they did their
homework, then call as each one finished their homework and have
us turn it back on.

Seriously?

What happened to sticking your head in the room and yelling “get
off the damn Internet and do your homework”?  Are parents too lazy
now to get up off the sofa and check on the kids?  When I was a
kid, a parent could yell from 50 paces and make you soil your
underwear.



--

Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

[Ken Hohhof]

I’m with you, but this is the way the world is going.  Things and devices.  No 
com-poo-ters.

 

People even complain about needing a router.  They don’t even want a wire, I 
thought this was wireless!  A lot of my customers think “WiFi” means 
“Internet”, and a “satellite” is that grey thing on their roof.  Robots and the 
Internet are making us stupid.  In a few years, the average IQ will be around 
20.  The movie Idiocracy was a documentary, except that the future was only 10 
years away not 500.  Welcome to Costco, I love you.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

 

I understand there's many more mobile devices but I don't understand how a 
household doesn't at least have one computer. A cheap $200 chromebook even 
would make life so much easier.

 

Sometimes you just need a keyboard and larger screen instead of a tablet or 
smartphone. I love having a laptop and prefer it if I'm going to be on my phone 
for more than 5 or 10 minutes.

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 7:45 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Since I was asking for the impossible (a computer for troubleshooting), she put 
it off until Saturday when her parents will be visiting with one of those rare 
pieces of equipment.  Where we go next, who knows?


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 7:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

What did you do with the customer with the TPlink that could stream netflix but 
not surf?

Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Customer has a leased Mikrotik.  I don’t think they will be able to
> handle managing a Mikrotik, and I don’t want us making changes
> multiple times each day so their kids do their homework.  I told
> customer to shop for a router that can do what they want, and we would
> take back the leased router.
>
> I still think sticking their head in the room has some value.
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] *On 
> Behalf Of *Jason Wilson
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 5:32 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness
>
> Look at router limits. They have a few options to do exactly what you
> are looking for.
>
> J
>
> On Jan 26, 2017 3:10 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com 
> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> 
> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >> wrote:
>
> Customer called wanting to be able to call us each day and have us
> disable Internet to each kid’s computer until they did their
> homework, then call as each one finished their homework and have
> us turn it back on.
>
> Seriously?
>
> What happened to sticking your head in the room and yelling “get
> off the damn Internet and do your homework”?  Are parents too lazy
> now to get up off the sofa and check on the kids?  When I was a
> kid, a parent could yell from 50 paces and make you soil your
> underwear.
>
> No virus found in this message.
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> 01/26/17
>




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Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

[Darin Steffl]

I understand there's many more mobile devices but I don't understand how a
household doesn't at least have one computer. A cheap $200 chromebook even
would make life so much easier.

Sometimes you just need a keyboard and larger screen instead of a tablet or
smartphone. I love having a laptop and prefer it if I'm going to be on my
phone for more than 5 or 10 minutes.
On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 7:45 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> Since I was asking for the impossible (a computer for troubleshooting),
> she put it off until Saturday when her parents will be visiting with one of
> those rare pieces of equipment.  Where we go next, who knows?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 7:30 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness
>
> What did you do with the customer with the TPlink that could stream
> netflix but not surf?
>
> Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >
> > Customer has a leased Mikrotik.  I don’t think they will be able to
> > handle managing a Mikrotik, and I don’t want us making changes
> > multiple times each day so their kids do their homework.  I told
> > customer to shop for a router that can do what they want, and we would
> > take back the leased router.
> >
> > I still think sticking their head in the room has some value.
> >
> > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason Wilson
> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 5:32 PM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness
> >
> > Look at router limits. They have a few options to do exactly what you
> > are looking for.
> >
> > J
> >
> > On Jan 26, 2017 3:10 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
> > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Customer called wanting to be able to call us each day and have us
> > disable Internet to each kid’s computer until they did their
> > homework, then call as each one finished their homework and have
> > us turn it back on.
> >
> > Seriously?
> >
> > What happened to sticking your head in the room and yelling “get
> > off the damn Internet and do your homework”?  Are parents too lazy
> > now to get up off the sofa and check on the kids?  When I was a
> > kid, a parent could yell from 50 paces and make you soil your
> > underwear.
> >
> > No virus found in this message.
> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature>
> > Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4749/13840 - Release Date:
> > 01/26/17
> >
>
>
>
> --
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Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
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Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

[Ken Hohhof]

Since I was asking for the impossible (a computer for troubleshooting), she put 
it off until Saturday when her parents will be visiting with one of those rare 
pieces of equipment.  Where we go next, who knows?


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 7:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

What did you do with the customer with the TPlink that could stream netflix but 
not surf?

Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Customer has a leased Mikrotik.  I don’t think they will be able to 
> handle managing a Mikrotik, and I don’t want us making changes 
> multiple times each day so their kids do their homework.  I told 
> customer to shop for a router that can do what they want, and we would 
> take back the leased router.
>
> I still think sticking their head in the room has some value.
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason Wilson
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 5:32 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness
>
> Look at router limits. They have a few options to do exactly what you 
> are looking for.
>
> J
>
> On Jan 26, 2017 3:10 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com 
> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>
> Customer called wanting to be able to call us each day and have us
> disable Internet to each kid’s computer until they did their
> homework, then call as each one finished their homework and have
> us turn it back on.
>
> Seriously?
>
> What happened to sticking your head in the room and yelling “get
> off the damn Internet and do your homework”?  Are parents too lazy
> now to get up off the sofa and check on the kids?  When I was a
> kid, a parent could yell from 50 paces and make you soil your
> underwear.
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature>
> Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4749/13840 - Release Date: 
> 01/26/17
>

Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

[Jay Weekley]

What did you do with the customer with the TPlink that could stream 
netflix but not surf?


Ken Hohhof wrote:


Customer has a leased Mikrotik.  I don’t think they will be able to 
handle managing a Mikrotik, and I don’t want us making changes 
multiple times each day so their kids do their homework.  I told 
customer to shop for a router that can do what they want, and we would 
take back the leased router.


I still think sticking their head in the room has some value.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason Wilson
*Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 5:32 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

Look at router limits. They have a few options to do exactly what you 
are looking for.


J

On Jan 26, 2017 3:10 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com 
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:


Customer called wanting to be able to call us each day and have us
disable Internet to each kid’s computer until they did their
homework, then call as each one finished their homework and have
us turn it back on.

Seriously?

What happened to sticking your head in the room and yelling “get
off the damn Internet and do your homework”?  Are parents too lazy
now to get up off the sofa and check on the kids?  When I was a
kid, a parent could yell from 50 paces and make you soil your
underwear.

No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature>
Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4749/13840 - Release Date: 01/26/17

Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

does mikrotik still have the skins? just make a skin that only has what
they want give them that login

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> Customer has a leased Mikrotik.  I don’t think they will be able to handle
> managing a Mikrotik, and I don’t want us making changes multiple times each
> day so their kids do their homework.  I told customer to shop for a router
> that can do what they want, and we would take back the leased router.
>
>
>
> I still think sticking their head in the room has some value.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason Wilson
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 5:32 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness
>
>
>
> Look at router limits. They have a few options to do exactly what you are
> looking for.
>
> J
>
>
>
> On Jan 26, 2017 3:10 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
> Customer called wanting to be able to call us each day and have us disable
> Internet to each kid’s computer until they did their homework, then call as
> each one finished their homework and have us turn it back on.
>
>
>
> Seriously?
>
>
>
> What happened to sticking your head in the room and yelling “get off the
> damn Internet and do your homework”?  Are parents too lazy now to get up
> off the sofa and check on the kids?  When I was a kid, a parent could yell
> from 50 paces and make you soil your underwear.
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

[Nathan Anderson]

Tell 'em to keep their MikroTik that they got from you, and buy a Circle to add 
onto their network.

-- Nathan

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 3:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

Customer has a leased Mikrotik.  I don’t think they will be able to handle 
managing a Mikrotik, and I don’t want us making changes multiple times each day 
so their kids do their homework.  I told customer to shop for a router that can 
do what they want, and we would take back the leased router.

I still think sticking their head in the room has some value.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason Wilson
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 5:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

Look at router limits. They have a few options to do exactly what you are 
looking for.
J

On Jan 26, 2017 3:10 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> 
wrote:
Customer called wanting to be able to call us each day and have us disable 
Internet to each kid’s computer until they did their homework, then call as 
each one finished their homework and have us turn it back on.

Seriously?

What happened to sticking your head in the room and yelling “get off the damn 
Internet and do your homework”?  Are parents too lazy now to get up off the 
sofa and check on the kids?  When I was a kid, a parent could yell from 50 
paces and make you soil your underwear.

Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

[Ken Hohhof]

Customer has a leased Mikrotik.  I don’t think they will be able to handle 
managing a Mikrotik, and I don’t want us making changes multiple times each day 
so their kids do their homework.  I told customer to shop for a router that can 
do what they want, and we would take back the leased router.

 

I still think sticking their head in the room has some value.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason Wilson
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 5:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

 

Look at router limits. They have a few options to do exactly what you are 
looking for. 

J

 

On Jan 26, 2017 3:10 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> 
> wrote:

Customer called wanting to be able to call us each day and have us disable 
Internet to each kid’s computer until they did their homework, then call as 
each one finished their homework and have us turn it back on.

 

Seriously?

 

What happened to sticking your head in the room and yelling “get off the damn 
Internet and do your homework”?  Are parents too lazy now to get up off the 
sofa and check on the kids?  When I was a kid, a parent could yell from 50 
paces and make you soil your underwear.

Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

[Jason Wilson]

Look at router limits. They have a few options to do exactly what you are
looking for.
J

On Jan 26, 2017 3:10 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Customer called wanting to be able to call us each day and have us disable
> Internet to each kid’s computer until they did their homework, then call as
> each one finished their homework and have us turn it back on.
>
>
>
> Seriously?
>
>
>
> What happened to sticking your head in the room and yelling “get off the
> damn Internet and do your homework”?  Are parents too lazy now to get up
> off the sofa and check on the kids?  When I was a kid, a parent could yell
> from 50 paces and make you soil your underwear.
>

Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

[Ken Hohhof]

I think the point is that anything that gets changed on a daily basis, the 
customer will have to do themselves.  We’re not going to be the homework police 
for $5/month.  (Also, any 14 year old knows how to spoof a MAC address.)

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 5:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

 

Calix can do that and they have an app for your phone so you can change those 
settings on the fly even if you're away from home.

 

-Sean

 

 

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 4:09 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Customer called wanting to be able to call us each day and have us disable 
Internet to each kid’s computer until they did their homework, then call as 
each one finished their homework and have us turn it back on.

 

Seriously?

 

What happened to sticking your head in the room and yelling “get off the damn 
Internet and do your homework”?  Are parents too lazy now to get up off the 
sofa and check on the kids?  When I was a kid, a parent could yell from 50 
paces and make you soil your underwear.

Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

[chuck]

https://www.familyzone.com/

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 4:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

Customer called wanting to be able to call us each day and have us disable 
Internet to each kid’s computer until they did their homework, then call as 
each one finished their homework and have us turn it back on.

 

Seriously?

 

What happened to sticking your head in the room and yelling “get off the damn 
Internet and do your homework”?  Are parents too lazy now to get up off the 
sofa and check on the kids?  When I was a kid, a parent could yell from 50 
paces and make you soil your underwear.

Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

[Sean Heskett]

Calix can do that and they have an app for your phone so you can change
those settings on the fly even if you're away from home.

-Sean


On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 4:09 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Customer called wanting to be able to call us each day and have us disable
> Internet to each kid’s computer until they did their homework, then call as
> each one finished their homework and have us turn it back on.
>
>
>
> Seriously?
>
>
>
> What happened to sticking your head in the room and yelling “get off the
> damn Internet and do your homework”?  Are parents too lazy now to get up
> off the sofa and check on the kids?  When I was a kid, a parent could yell
> from 50 paces and make you soil your underwear.
>

Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

[Josh Baird]

Haha - that is *ridiculous*.  Maybe the best one I have heard in a while..

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Customer called wanting to be able to call us each day and have us disable
> Internet to each kid’s computer until they did their homework, then call as
> each one finished their homework and have us turn it back on.
>
>
>
> Seriously?
>
>
>
> What happened to sticking your head in the room and yelling “get off the
> damn Internet and do your homework”?  Are parents too lazy now to get up
> off the sofa and check on the kids?  When I was a kid, a parent could yell
> from 50 paces and make you soil your underwear.
>