META: ad hominem attacks WAS Re: [agi] virtual credits again

2008-10-29 Thread Ben Goertzel
Trent,

A comment in my role as list administrator:
Let's keep the discussion on the level of ideas not people, please.

No ad hominem attacks such as You're a gas bag, etc.

thanks
ben g

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:34 AM, Trent Waddington 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 4:04 PM, YKY (Yan King Yin)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Last time Ben's argument was that the virtual credit method confuses
  for-profit and charity emotions in people.  At that time it sounded
  convincing, but after some thinking I realized that it is actually
  completely untrue.

 Don't forget my argument..

 You're a gas bag and don't know what you're talking about.. so you'll
 never make any money and your virtual credits (hint: credit is already
 virtual) are just worthless stupidity.

 Trent


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Re: META: ad hominem attacks WAS Re: [agi] virtual credits again

2008-10-29 Thread Trent Waddington
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Trent,

 A comment in my role as list administrator:
 Let's keep the discussion on the level of ideas not people, please.

 No ad hominem attacks such as You're a gas bag, etc.

If he's free to talk about virtual credits I should be free to talk
about how stupid his virtual credit idea is and, by extension, he is.

If it was a passing idea he'd had which, after receiving everyone's
feedback on the matter, he decided was not a good idea.. that'd be
fine, if not completely off-topic for this list, but he's brought up
the subject on this list and the opencog list and on irc a good half
dozen times now.  It's stupid.. and he isn't getting the message.

Trent


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Re: META: ad hominem attacks WAS Re: [agi] virtual credits again

2008-10-29 Thread Ben Goertzel

 If he's free to talk about virtual credits I should be free to talk
 about how stupid his virtual credit idea


Yes


 is and, by extension, he is.


No ...

Look, I am not any kind of expert on list management or social
tact, I'm just applying extremely basic rules of human politeness here

In fact I know YKY and he is actually *not* an idiot, he's a very bright
guy, although he has plenty of ideas I disagree with.

I think the virtual-credits thing probably won't work, but I'm not certain
of it ... and I do note that it seemed obvious to many people, in advance,
that the open-source methodology couldn't work at all (but then it did)

Discussion of business and organizational models for AGI projects is
sufficiently on-topic for this list, given how broadly the theme of the list
is currently being interpreted...

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