RE: [agi] Pretty worldchanging
You have to give toast though to Net entities like Wikipedia, I'd dare say one of humankind's greatest achievements. Then eventually over a few years it'll be available as a plug-in, as a virtual trepan thus reducing the effort of subsuming all that. And then maybe structural intelligence add-ins so that abstract concepts need not be learned by medieval rote conditioning. These humanity features are not far off. So instead of a $35 laptop a fifty cent liqua chip could be injected as a prole inoculation/augmentation. John From: Boris Kazachenko [mailto:bori...@verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 5:50 PM To: agi Subject: Re: [agi] Pretty worldchanging Maybe there are some students on this email list, who are wading through all the BS and learning something about AGI, by following links and reading papers mentioned here, etc. Without the Net, how would these students learn about AGI, in practice? Such education would be far harder to come by and less effective without the Net. That's world-changing... ;-) ... The Net saves time. Back in the day, one could spend a lifetime sifting through paper in the library, or traveling the world to meet authorities. Now you do some googling, realize that no one has a clue, go on to do some real work on your own. That's if you have the guts, of course. intelligence-as-a-cognitive-algorithm http://ntelligence-as-a-cognitive-algorithm agi | https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now Archives https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ | https://www.listbox.com/member/?; Modify Your Subscription http://www.listbox.com --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Re: RE: [agi] Pretty worldchanging
Wikipedia doesn't allow original research Understandable, but that excludes people who don't have time to waste on getting established. Abstract concepts can't be learned by conditioning, only the practically useful ones. Structural intelligence add-ins? Those will obsolete your brain, no need to add to it. http://knol.google.com/k/intelligence-as-a-cognitive-algorithm# You have to give toast though to Net entities like Wikipedia, I'd dare say one of humankind's greatest achievements. Then eventually over a few years it'll be available as a plug-in, as a virtual trepan thus reducing the effort of subsuming all that. And then maybe structural intelligence add-ins so that abstract concepts need not be learned by medieval rote conditioning. These humanity features are not far off. So instead of a $35 laptop a fifty cent liqua chip could be injected as a prole inoculation/augmentation. John From: Boris Kazachenko [mailto:bori...@verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 5:50 PM To: agi Subject: Re: [agi] Pretty worldchanging Maybe there are some students on this email list, who are wading through all the BS and learning something about AGI, by following links and reading papers mentioned here, etc. Without the Net, how would these students learn about AGI, in practice? Such education would be far harder to come by and less effective without the Net. That's world-changing... ;-) ... The Net saves time. Back in the day, one could spend a lifetime sifting through paper in the library, or traveling the world to meet authorities. Now you do some googling, realize that no one has a clue, go on to do some real work on your own. That's if you have the guts, of course. intelligence-as-a-cognitive-algorithm --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Re: [agi] Pretty worldchanging
Availibility of the Internet actually makes school grades worse. Of course, grades does not equal education, but I don't see anything worldchanging about education because of this. - Panu Horsmalahti --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Re: [agi] Pretty worldchanging
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 5:36 AM, Panu Horsmalahti nawi...@gmail.com wrote: Availibility of the Internet actually makes school grades worse. Of course, grades does not equal education, but I don't see anything worldchanging about education because of this. - Panu Horsmalahti Hmmm I do think the Internet has worldchanging implications for education, many of which are being realized all around us as we speak... School grades are a poor measure of intellectual achievement. And of course, the Internet can be used in either wonderful or idiotic ways -- it obviously DOES have revolutionary implications for education, even if statistically few make use of it in a way that significantly manifests these implications. I see this article http://news.yahoo.com/s/ytech_wguy/20100714/tc_ytech_wguy/ytech_wguy_tc3118 linked from the above article, which provides some (not that much) data that computer or Net access may decrease test scores in some low-income families But as the article itself states, this suggests the problem is not the computers or Net, but rather the inability of many low-income parents to guide their kids in educational use of computers and the Net ... or to give their kids a broad enough general education to enable them to guide themselves in this regard... Similarly, reading has great potential to aid education -- but if all you read are romance novels and People or Fat Biker Chick magazine, you're not going to broaden your mind that much ;p ... Maybe there are some students on this email list, who are wading through all the BS and learning something about AGI, by following links and reading papers mentioned here, etc. Without the Net, how would these students learn about AGI, in practice? Such education would be far harder to come by and less effective without the Net. That's world-changing... ;-) ... Learning about AGI via online resources may not improve your school grades any, because AGI knowledge isn't tested much in school. But students learning about AGI online could change the world... -- Ben G *agi* | Archives https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ | Modifyhttps://www.listbox.com/member/?;Your Subscription http://www.listbox.com -- Ben Goertzel, PhD CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC CTO, Genescient Corp Vice Chairman, Humanity+ Advisor, Singularity University and Singularity Institute External Research Professor, Xiamen University, China b...@goertzel.org I admit that two times two makes four is an excellent thing, but if we are to give everything its due, two times two makes five is sometimes a very charming thing too. -- Fyodor Dostoevsky --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Re: [agi] Pretty worldchanging
Maybe there are some students on this email list, who are wading through all the BS and learning something about AGI, by following links and reading papers mentioned here, etc. Without the Net, how would these students learn about AGI, in practice? Such education would be far harder to come by and less effective without the Net. That's world-changing... ;-) ... The Net saves time. Back in the day, one could spend a lifetime sifting through paper in the library, or traveling the world to meet authorities. Now you do some googling, realize that no one has a clue, go on to do some real work on your own. That's if you have the guts, of course. intelligence-as-a-cognitive-algorithm --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Re: [agi] Pretty worldchanging
The video says it has 2 GB of memory. I assume that's SSD and there is no disk. It's actually not hard to find a computer for $35. People are always throwing away old computers that still work. -- Matt Mahoney, matmaho...@yahoo.com From: Mike Tintner tint...@blueyonder.co.uk To: agi agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 9:50:44 AM Subject: [agi] Pretty worldchanging this strikes me as socially worldchanging if it works - potentially leading to you-ain't-see-nothing-yet changes in world education ( commerce) levels over the next decade: http://www.physorg.com/news199083092.html Any comments on its technical massproduction viability ? agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
