Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-06 Thread Ben Goertzel

How much of the Novamente system is meant to be autonomous, and how much
will be responding only from external stymulus such as a question or a task
given externally.

Is it intended after awhile to run "on its own" where it would be up 24
hours a day, exploring potentially some by itself, or more of a contained AI
to be called up as needed?


Yes, it is intended to run permanently and autonomously, of course...

Although at the moment it is being utilized in more of a task-focused
way... this is because it is still in development...

ben

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-06 Thread James Ratcliff
Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi,On 11/6/06, James Ratcliff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Ben,>   I think it would be beneficial, at least to me, to see a list of tasks.> Not as a "defining" measure in any way.  But as a list of work items that a> general AGI should be able to complete effectively.I agree, and I think that this requires a lot of care.  Carefullyarticulating such a list is on my agenda for the first half of nextyear (not that it will take full-time for 6 months, it will be a"background task").  My approach will be based on porting a number ofbasic ideas from human developmental psychology into thenon-human-like-AGI-acting-in-a-simulation-world domain, but will alsobe useful beyond this particular domain...>  My thoughts on a list like
 this is that is should be marked in increasing> levels of difficulty, so an initial AGI should have the ability to complete> the first level of tasks and so on.Agreed, although most tasks will have the notion of "partialcompletion" rather than being binary in nature.> Ex: One item of AI task is a simple question answering ability, that can> respond with an answer currently in the Knowledge base of the system.> A more expansive item, would require the QA task to go and get outside> information.This seems not to be a very well-specified task ;-) ... the problem isthat it refers to the internal state of the AI system (its "knowledgebase"), whereas the tasks I will define will refer only to thesystem's external behaviors given various sets of stimuli...-- BenIm very focused here on its knowledge base as that is the main module I am working on.  I am
 priming it with a large amount of extracted information from news and other texts, and its first task will be able to answer basic questions, and model the knowledge correctly there, before it can go on into deeper areas of reasoning and behaviour.  I want the internal state to have  asomewhat stable start before it goes forward into other areas.How much of the Novamente system is meant to be autonomous, and how much will be responding only from external stymulus such as a question or a task given externally.Is it intended after awhile to run "on its own" where it would be up 24 hours a day, exploring potentially some by itself, or more of a contained AI to be called up as needed?James RatcliffThank YouJames Ratcliffhttp://falazar.com 


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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-06 Thread Ben Goertzel

Hi,

On 11/6/06, James Ratcliff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Ben,
  I think it would be beneficial, at least to me, to see a list of tasks.
Not as a "defining" measure in any way.  But as a list of work items that a
general AGI should be able to complete effectively.


I agree, and I think that this requires a lot of care.  Carefully
articulating such a list is on my agenda for the first half of next
year (not that it will take full-time for 6 months, it will be a
"background task").  My approach will be based on porting a number of
basic ideas from human developmental psychology into the
non-human-like-AGI-acting-in-a-simulation-world domain, but will also
be useful beyond this particular domain...


 My thoughts on a list like this is that is should be marked in increasing
levels of difficulty, so an initial AGI should have the ability to complete
the first level of tasks and so on.


Agreed, although most tasks will have the notion of "partial
completion" rather than being binary in nature.


Ex: One item of AI task is a simple question answering ability, that can
respond with an answer currently in the Knowledge base of the system.
A more expansive item, would require the QA task to go and get outside
information.


This seems not to be a very well-specified task ;-) ... the problem is
that it refers to the internal state of the AI system (its "knowledge
base"), whereas the tasks I will define will refer only to the
system's external behaviors given various sets of stimuli...

-- Ben

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