Re: BUS: Re: [Arbitor] CFJ 3828 Assigned to G.
Dead-horse arguments on CFJ 3828: Respectfully, I think the Honorable G. has read too much into Rule 2518 "Determinacy". I think that that rule is merely a definition of the words "determinate" and "indeterminate" and has no intentional consequences besides that. In particular, nowhere does Rule 2518 say or imply that if a value is indeterminate, then we are relieved of any duty to attempt to determine it. Furthermore, Rule 217 "Interpreting the Rules" says that in case of ambiguity, the text of the rules "is to be" augmented by four factors. The use of the phrase "is to be" suggests that such augmentation is mandatory; we are expected not to simply give up on attempting to answer a question merely because the answer is not clear from reading the rules. Of course, Rule 217 is clearly not saying that every player at all times has a responsibility to attempt to resolve every open question. But surely a judge *does* have a responsibility to attempt to resolve the question which e has been called to judge. The rules certainly do anticipate that a value may be wholly and thoroughly impossible to determine; otherwise the judgement of PARADOXICAL would not exist. But, all the same, I think that before assigning a judgement of PARADOXICAL, a judge is responsible for explaining why all four of the factors listed on Rule 217 fail to resolve the indeterminacy. In any case, I thank G. for eir judgement. —Warrigal
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I won the game btw
On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 2:07 PM Rebecca wrote:
> I CFJ:
> { CFJ 3828, which had the following statement, “A recent rule named "A
> coin award" was enacted, increased
> the number of coins R. Lee owns by 1, and then repealed itself.” was a
> "CFJ about the legality or possibility of a game
> action” under rule 2553, such that if a judgement of PARADOXICAL was
> assigned to it for seven days, the caller of the CFJ would win the game}
>
> I don't think anything is INSUFFICIENT here, so I'm not going to provide
> much argument/evidence. A good argument was made by G., below. And the CFJ
> statement and rule quote is given here so you don't need to go looking (I'm
> not CFJing whether a judgement of PARADOXICAL was in fact assigned, so no
> need to look for that either)
>
Sorry, I retract this CFJ and replace it with the following.
{ CFJ 3828, which had the following statement, “A recent rule named "A
coin award" was enacted, increased
the number of coins R. Lee owns by 1, and then repealed itself.” was a "CFJ
about the legality or possibility of a game
action” under rule 2553, such that if a judgement of PARADOXICAL was
assigned to it for seven days, the caller of the CFJ would be eligible to
win the game by announcement under rule 2553}
I adopt G's argument as to this CFJ which I include below (the rest of
these words are eirs not mine)
The CFJ statement began 'A recent rule named "A coin award" was
enacted...' which is a passively voiced action (active voice would have
been "Proposal XXX enacted a Rule...") . I think it's come up a couple
times recently in CFJs, that mere use of the passive voice doesn't change
the fact that there's an action with an actor?
Further, parsing the statement a bit gives 'A recent rule ... increased
the number of coins' which is definitely asking whether a rule succeeded
in the action of coin-creation (a Rule creating a coin is definitely an
action, right?) So is a past tense "did X do Y?" close enough to "it was
POSSIBLE for X to do Y at the time it is purported to have happened?" I'd
personally say yes because forcing the statement writing around
possibility is a mess compared to the straightforward "did X happen".
Re: BUS: I won the game btw
I win the game by having a judgement of PARADOXICAL assigned to a CFJ I called for over 7 days On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 10:56 AM Reuben Staley via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/5/20 6:42 PM, Rebecca via agora-business wrote: > > G's judgement of PARADOXICAL on a CFJ I called has been in place for ten > > days, accordingly make me speaker/champ thanks > > You "CAN, by announcement, win the game" as per R2553/0 ¶1. And once you > are Champion, then the Prime Minister "CAN once appoint [you] to the > office of Speaker by announcement" per Rule 103/22 ¶1. I would say that > you are not currently Champion or Speaker, though you CAN become > Champion now if you desire to do so. > > -- > Trigon, Speaker of Agora (I think, but I'm still not 100% sure about my > status) > -- >From R. Lee
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I won the game btw
I CFJ:
{ CFJ 3828, which had the following statement, “A recent rule named "A coin
award" was enacted, increased
the number of coins R. Lee owns by 1, and then repealed itself.” was a "CFJ
about the legality or possibility of a game
action” under rule 2553, such that if a judgement of PARADOXICAL was
assigned to it for seven days, the caller of the CFJ would win the game}
I don't think anything is INSUFFICIENT here, so I'm not going to provide
much argument/evidence. A good argument was made by G., below. And the CFJ
statement and rule quote is given here so you don't need to go looking (I'm
not CFJing whether a judgement of PARADOXICAL was in fact assigned, so no
need to look for that either)
On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 12:52 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion <
agora-discuss...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
> On 5/5/2020 7:04 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote:
> > On 5/5/20 7:53 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote:
> >> I can see your point too and can think of some arguments in support of
> >> it... might be borderline enough for its own CFJ, or maybe up to the
> >> Herald whether it is or not...?
> >
> > And by that you mean whoever can deputise fastest.
> >
>
> Oh! sorry, missed the word 'temporarily' in your deputisation. Nice
> Transparent btw.
>
--
>From R. Lee
Re: BUS: I won the game btw
On 5/5/20 6:42 PM, Rebecca via agora-business wrote: G's judgement of PARADOXICAL on a CFJ I called has been in place for ten days, accordingly make me speaker/champ thanks You "CAN, by announcement, win the game" as per R2553/0 ¶1. And once you are Champion, then the Prime Minister "CAN once appoint [you] to the office of Speaker by announcement" per Rule 103/22 ¶1. I would say that you are not currently Champion or Speaker, though you CAN become Champion now if you desire to do so. -- Trigon, Speaker of Agora (I think, but I'm still not 100% sure about my status)
BUS: I won the game btw
G's judgement of PARADOXICAL on a CFJ I called has been in place for ten days, accordingly make me speaker/champ thanks -- >From R. Lee
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [deputy][Herald] Weekly Report: Honour Roll
For maximum clarity, I award myself a Transparent ribbon, if I have not already done so. On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 4:40 PM Reuben Staley wrote: > > Alright, if anyone had any qualms about my actions they'd be out by now. > > I earn a Transparent Ribbon: > - I awarded myself Emerald, Platinum, and Ultraviolet ribbons on the > first of May[1]. > - I awarded myself Cyan in the quoted message. > - I qualify for a White Ribbon as I have never before owned a White Ribbon. > > This brings the amount of ribbons I "[have qualified] for, [have > earned], and/or [have been] awarded within the previous 7 days" to 5. > > [1] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg36169.html > > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 12:18 AM Reuben Staley via agora-business > wrote: > > I award myself a cyan ribbon for deputising for Herald. > > -- > Trigon -- Trigon
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [deputy][Herald] Weekly Report: Honour Roll
Alright, if anyone had any qualms about my actions they'd be out by now. I earn a Transparent Ribbon: - I awarded myself Emerald, Platinum, and Ultraviolet ribbons on the first of May[1]. - I awarded myself Cyan in the quoted message. - I qualify for a White Ribbon as I have never before owned a White Ribbon. This brings the amount of ribbons I "[have qualified] for, [have earned], and/or [have been] awarded within the previous 7 days" to 5. [1] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg36169.html On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 12:18 AM Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: > I award myself a cyan ribbon for deputising for Herald. -- Trigon
BUS: Notice of Honor
This is a notice of honor. +1 G (furnished ample research material) -1 D Margaux (rolled a d20, got a 9, chose 9th name on most recent Registrar's report) --- Nch
