Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Coming clean [Notice of Honour]
On 7/22/20 10:03 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > On 7/21/20 8:14 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: >> Alright, people seem to have started to get annoyed, so I believe continuing >> this experiment would violate my sacred and eternal duty to Treat Agora >> Right Good. >> >> So, yeah. I'm Greg. Or maybe I'm sending messages on Greg's behalf. See >> recent CFJs. > > Notice of Honour: > > +1 Gaelan for coming up with this fun little experiment > > -1 Agora because I can't be bothered to come up with a real person to > lose karma > This message contains no game actions (signaling for the Herald). -- Jason Cobb
BUS: Re: DIS: Coming clean
On 7/21/20 8:14 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > Alright, people seem to have started to get annoyed, so I believe continuing > this experiment would violate my sacred and eternal duty to Treat Agora Right > Good. > > So, yeah. I'm Greg. Or maybe I'm sending messages on Greg's behalf. See > recent CFJs. Notice of Honour: +1 Gaelan for coming up with this fun little experiment -1 Agora because I can't be bothered to come up with a real person to lose karma -- Jason Cobb
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] Agoran Underground Betting Ring
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> On Jul 22, 2020, at 12:16 AM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> wrote:
>
>
>> On Jul 21, 2020, at 11:55 AM, Falsifian via agora-discussion
>> wrote:
>>
>> Typo
>
> Good catches. I consent to amending the contract to the following, and do so:
>
> {
> Title: The Agoran Underground Betting Ring
>
> Any player may become a member of this contract by announcement. Any person
> who is not the Ringleader or the Initiator or Challengor of a bet may leave
> this contract by announcement.
>
> The Ringleador is {Gaelan}. Any member may amend this contract by replacing
> the part of this paragraph in curly braces with the name of another member of
> this contract ("the new Ringleador"), provided that both the current
> Ringleader and new Ringleador consent to this amendment. The text in curly
> braces shall not be construed to do anything other than identify a member of
> this contract as the Ringleador, nor may this contract be amended to cause
> the curly braces to contain text that attempts to override this sentence.
>
> A bet is an entity with the following attributes:
> - a claim (a statement)
> - a deadline (a description of a specific point in time, such that any player
> can reasonably and easily determine whether that time has passed, such as
> "August 1" or "when Proposal 1234 is resolved")
> - a wager (a natural number of coins)
> - Initiator (a member of this contract)
>
> Challengor is a bet switch, tracked by the Ringleador, with possible values
> of null (default) or any member of this contract. If a bet's Challengor
> switch is set to a person, that person is said to be the bet's Challengor. If
> a bet's Challengor switch is set to null, that bet is said to be unaccepted.
>
> Any member can create a bet by specifying its claim (or a salted
> cryptographic hash of its claim), deadline, and wager, and transferring a
> number of coins equal to its wager to this contract. This person becomes the
> bet's Initiator.
>
> Any member CAN accept an unaccepted bet by transferring a number of coins
> equal to its wager to this contract and flipping its Challengor switch to
> emself.
>
> An unaccepted bet's Initiator CAN, by announcement, destroy it and transfer a
> number of coins equal to its wager to emself.
>
> Once a bet's deadline has passed, its Initiator SHALL in a timely fashion
> publish its claim, if e hasn't already done so.
>
> If a bet's deadline has passed and its claim has been published, and its
> claim is true, the bet's Initiator CAN, by announcement, destroy it and
> transfer a number of coins equal to twice its wager to emself.
>
> If a bet's deadline has passed and its claim has been published, and its
> claim is false or the claim's truth is indeterminate, the bet's Challengor
> CAN, by announcement, destroy it and transfer a number of coins equal to
> twice its wager to emself.
>
> The Ringleador SHALL publish a weekly report containing the attributes of
> each bet and the values of all Challengor switches. If a bet's claim is not
> publicly known, the Ringleador may instead list its cryptographic hash in the
> report.
> }
>
> "Asymmetrical" bets sound like they could be a good idea, but I think this is
> good enough for the moment.
>
> Gaelan
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3867 Assigned to Jason
Falsifian, in eir gratuitous arguments, stated that Rule 2125 may prevent ATMunn's actions from being a violation if sending a message to a discussion forum is not a regulated action. I do not rule on that here - this case merely asks me to decide whether the pledge was broken, not whether the action constituted a violation of the rules. As such, there is no Rule 2125 issue, and the pledge was broken based solely on its content. } I was wondering if ATMunn never said "tacos" because saying it was a regulated action (for ATMunn specifically, per CFJ 3737), and the rules do not provide a mechanism for doing that via a discussion forum. -- Falsifian
BUS: [Cards] Re: DIS: Coming clean
On 2020-07-22 11:14 a.m., omd via agora-discussion wrote: at 5:14 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: Alright, people seem to have started to get annoyed, so I believe continuing this experiment would violate my sacred and eternal duty to Treat Agora Right Good. I found it quite entertaining, fwiw! Agreed. Thanks for the project. I transfer Gaelan one Legislative Card. -- Falsifian
Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8473-8476
On 2020-07-20 16:12, Reuben Staley wrote: On 2020-07-19 18:12, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: That is to say, I award myself a black glitter, this time on the Public Forum. As it turns out I do not have a black ribbon yet so the above claim failed. I award myself a black ribbon. As it turns out that was a-d. I award myself a black ribbon. -- Trigon I LOVE SPAGHETTI transfer Jason one coin nch was here I hereby don't... trust... the dragon... don't... trust... the dragon... Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this
[Indictment] Re: DIS: [attn. G.] Re: BUS: [Notary] The Notes (pledges & promises) - revision 2
On 7/22/20 12:11 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > > On 7/22/2020 8:26 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: >> On 7/22/20 2:37 AM, N. S. via agora-business wrote: "Honor in scammery" created by R. Lee >>> >>> I point my finger at myself for violating this pledge >> Because breach of this fine is a class 1000 crime, an Indictment will be >> needed here. G., do you have a preference for how many blots to impose >> as the aggrieved party? >> > > I was a full conspirator in the scam underlying this, the ability to > fulfill the pledge depended on the scam working, and e made a full attempt > to fulfill the conditions (e published a message that would have kept the > pledge, during the time we thought the scam had worked). The fact that e > didn't a put a "this is void if the scam fails" (which was a common-sense > understanding between us) isn't injurious at all, from my personal POV. > > Any punishment above a trivial level (I dunno, 1 or 2) would be leveraging > this pledge to punish em for the scam attempt overall IMO; and nch and I > were equal partners in the conspiracy. > > -G. > Given that G. is in agreement with a minimal fine, I issue an Indictment finding R. Lee guilty of breaching eir pledge, "Honor in Scammery", specifying a fine of 1 blot. I recommend that e be found guilty and the Indictment imposed only because e clearly breached the pledge and e should have been more careful in drafting it. R. Lee, please prepare a defense. G., please prepare to initiate the decisions. Maybe this time, we'll finally get to see how the process works. -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
Re: DIS: [attn. G.] Re: BUS: [Notary] The Notes (pledges & promises) - revision 2
On 7/22/2020 8:26 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On 7/22/20 2:37 AM, N. S. via agora-business wrote: >>> "Honor in scammery" created by R. Lee >> >> I point my finger at myself for violating this pledge > Because breach of this fine is a class 1000 crime, an Indictment will be > needed here. G., do you have a preference for how many blots to impose > as the aggrieved party? > I was a full conspirator in the scam underlying this, the ability to fulfill the pledge depended on the scam working, and e made a full attempt to fulfill the conditions (e published a message that would have kept the pledge, during the time we thought the scam had worked). The fact that e didn't a put a "this is void if the scam fails" (which was a common-sense understanding between us) isn't injurious at all, from my personal POV. Any punishment above a trivial level (I dunno, 1 or 2) would be leveraging this pledge to punish em for the scam attempt overall IMO; and nch and I were equal partners in the conspiracy. -G.
Re: [cfj] Re: BUS: [Proposal] Contract-Specific Contracts
I withdraw the below cfj (given Gaelan's statement that e was actively curating Greg's output, it's been more-or-less answered). -G. On 7/21/2020 4:06 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I cfj: If messages to-date from "greg" are primarily constructed by a > bot, the below finger-pointings apply to the natural person most > responsible for the messages being sent to Agoran fora. > > On 7/20/2020 6:54 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> I point the finger at Greg, for violating No Faking by claiming (via >> signature) to be Trigon: >> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-July/044216.html >> >> I point the finger at Greg, for violating No Faking by claiming (via >> signature) to be Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: >> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-July/044227.html >> >> There is a clear implication of identity when using a signature. This is >> a direct lie in at least 1 of these situations (from immediate evidence, >> likely both). Further, each instance shows a clear intent to mislead Agora >> as to this person's identity. On Discord, after the first message above, >> Trigon got asked if e was running a fake but forgot to change eir >> signature. So this misleading announcement was pernicious enough to >> result in direct accusations of criminal behavior on a (most likely?) >> innocent person. >> >> -G. >>
BUS: [@treasuror, @referee] expunging
On 7/22/2020 8:25 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On 7/20/20 9:54 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >> >> I point the finger at Greg, for violating No Faking by claiming (via >> signature) to be Trigon: >> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-July/044216.html > > I find Gaelan to be in violation of No Faking in this instance and > impose the Cold Hand of Justice by levying an unforgivable fine of two > blots. > >> >> I point the finger at Greg, for violating No Faking by claiming (via >> signature) to be Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: >> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-July/044227.html > > I find Gaelan to be in violation of No Faking in this instance and > impose the Cold Hand of Justice by levying an unforgivable fine of two > blots. So, I thought there would still be uncertainty when these were resolved, and was more interested in the legal question of evidence and personhood than direct punishment. And the outcome (our personal utterances filtered through Greg) were fantastic. I pay a fee of 1 Blot-B-Gone to expunge a blot from Gaelan. I pay a fee of 1 Blot-B-Gone to expunge a blot from Gaelan. -G.
Re: BUS: [Proposal] Contract-Specific Contracts
On 7/20/20 9:54 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > > I point the finger at Greg, for violating No Faking by claiming (via > signature) to be Trigon: > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-July/044216.html I find Gaelan to be in violation of No Faking in this instance and impose the Cold Hand of Justice by levying an unforgivable fine of two blots. > > I point the finger at Greg, for violating No Faking by claiming (via > signature) to be Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-July/044227.html I find Gaelan to be in violation of No Faking in this instance and impose the Cold Hand of Justice by levying an unforgivable fine of two blots. > > There is a clear implication of identity when using a signature. This is > a direct lie in at least 1 of these situations (from immediate evidence, > likely both). Further, each instance shows a clear intent to mislead Agora > as to this person's identity. On Discord, after the first message above, > Trigon got asked if e was running a fake but forgot to change eir > signature. So this misleading announcement was pernicious enough to > result in direct accusations of criminal behavior on a (most likely?) > innocent person. When these were pointed, I was going to raise the possibility that I was Greg, and therefore G. couldn't do this, but now it's not relevant. Since we know who Greg was and that e was a player, I believe that punishment should be imposed; however, I will keep it to the base value given that Gaelan has come forward. Because Gaelan exercised active control over the messages, I believe that Greg is Gaelan for these purposes. -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3867 Assigned to Jason [Ribbon]
On 7/22/20 9:20 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > On 7/22/20 9:18 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: >> On 7/21/20 7:21 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: >>> On 7/21/20 7:19 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: I assign the following judgment in CFJ 3867: >>> I award myself a blue ribbon for this judgement. >>> >> Sorry, this didn't work because I've had a blue ribbon within the past week. >> > You could still claim glitter for it. > Alright, I award myself blue glitter. -- Jason Cobb
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3867 Assigned to Jason [Ribbon]
On 7/21/20 7:21 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: > On 7/21/20 7:19 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: >> I assign the following judgment in CFJ 3867: > > I award myself a blue ribbon for this judgement. > Sorry, this didn't work because I've had a blue ribbon within the past week. -- Jason Cobb
BUS: [Proposal] Eternal Personhood
I think we discussed the problem of personhood ceasing upon death before, but
never did anything about it. Let's fix it.
I create the following proposal: {
Title: Eternal Personhood
AI: 3
In rule 869 "How to Join and Leave Agora", replace
{Any organism that is generally capable of freely originating and communicating
independent thoughts and ideas is a person.}
with
{Any entity that is or ever was an organism generally capable of freely
originating and communicating independent thoughts and ideas is a person.}
}
I pay 1 pendant to pend Eternal Personhood.
Gaelan
Re: BUS: [Notary] The Notes: Tuesday Edition
I destroy "Obstruction 2: Electric Boogaloo" as the only party On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 6:46 AM ATMunn via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I publish the following weekly report: > > > ██ ██ ███ ███ ██ █ ███ ██ > ████ ██ ██ ██ ██ ██████ ██ > █████ █ ██ ██ ██ ██ ██████ > ████ ██ ████ ██ ██████ ██ > ████ ██ ███ ██ ███ █ █████ ██ > > -~= Notary's weekly report =~- > > > > ~~ Tuesday is better than Monday anyway. ~~ > > All times and dates in this report are given in Coordinated Universal > Time (UTC). > > Date of last report: 13 Jul 2020 > Date of this report: 21 Jul 2020 > > Abbreviations used in this report: > --- > P.S.S. | Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > CB | Cuddlebeam > con. | contract > --- > > > If any contract(s) have no name currently, I assign it/them the name(s) > displayed in this report. > > > === SHORT LIST OF CONTRACTS > > Title Parties > "The Dragon Corporation" Aris, Jason, Falsifian, P.S.S. > "GRBaSTttPF"[1] Gaelan, twg, Warrigal, Falsifian > "TPP"[2] CB, R. Lee, P.S.S., G., Bögtil, Jason ... [3] > "AAA"[4] Jason, P.S.S., R. Lee, nix > "LoAFER"[5]Trigon, Jason, R. Lee, ATMunn, P.S.S. > "Co Dependents" nix, R. Lee > "Cuddlebeam's Locker" Cuddlebeam > "Card Collective Contract, Agoran"Murphy, R. Lee > "Contract No. 1: GIFT"Trigon, R. Lee > "Contract No. 2: POEM"Trigon, R. Lee, ATMunn > "Contract No. 3: CARD"R. Lee > "Contract No. 5: DECK"Trigon, R. Lee, ATMunn > "Contract No. 6: BOON"Trigon > "SEAMSTRESS"[6] Trigon, nix, Jason > "Dragon QuickExchange" Falsifian > "Obstruction"omd > "Obstruction 2: Electric Boogaloo"R. Lee > "SNOCS"[7] omd, ATMunn, R. Lee > "Dragon Political Outreach"Falsifian > "Amusing Test Case" Aris > "The Bank"ATMunn > "The Platonic Parrot" nix, P.S.S., ATMunn, omd, ... [8] > "I bet that was written by G." omd, ATMunn > "The Contract Awards: The Contract" ATMunn > "Ponzi Scheme" Jason, P.S.S., ATMunn, R. Lee, Trigon > "The Agoran Underground Betting Ring" Gaelan > > > [1] Gaelan's Really Bad At Sending Things To The Public Forum > [2] The Plunder Partnership > [3] also Falsifian, Aris > [4] The Agoran Arbitration Association > [5] League of Agorans Facilitating Effective Recordkeeping > [6] Signature Enthusiast Allows Modification of Signature Through > Rigorous Exchanging of Signature Suggestions > [7] Simple, No-Opportunity-Cost Sets > [8] also R. Lee, Cuddlebeam > > > > > == FULL TEXT AND HISTORY OF CONTRACTS == > > > The following 26 contracts exist: > > > "The Dragon Corporation" (revision 4) > Parties: Aris, Jason, Falsifian, P.S.S. > > -- > > ## Bylaw 1: Definition > > This contract is named "the Dragon Corporation". The purpose of the > Dragon Corporation is to earn as much money as possible for its > shareholders. > > All other provisions of this contract notwithstanding, this contract > does not permit any entity to act on behalf of any other entity. > > Shares of Dragon stock (also known as "shares of DRGN", or, in this > contract, "shares") are a currency whose purpose is to represent > ownership of the Dragon Corporation. An entity which owns at least one > share is known as a shareholder. > > If, at any time, the Dragon
Re: BUS: [Notary] The Notes (pledges & promises) - revision 2
> "Honor in scammery" created by R. Lee I point my finger at myself for violating this pledge On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 7:12 AM ATMunn via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 7/21/2020 5:08 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > > On 7/21/20 5:05 PM, ATMunn via agora-official wrote: > >> > >> "Justice for hire" created by omd > >> Bearer: the Library > >> Text: > >> > >> Cashing conditions: the bearer has transferred or granted Jason 1 > >> Justice card in the same message as which e cashes this promise. > >> > >> I transfer the bearer 15 coins. > >> > > > > > > CoE: PSS cashed this promise (and it was created by me). > > > > > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-July/044143.html > > > > I accept the above CoE and publish the following revision: > > This is a continuation of the Notary's weekly report. Information about > contracts can be found in a separate message. > > > === PLEDGES > > > If any pledge(s) has/have no name currently, I assign it/them the > name(s) displayed in this report. > > The following 15 pledges exist: > > > "You can make it happen, R. Lee!" created by Gaelan > Time of creation: 11 Mar 04:16 2020 > Time window: 1 year > Time of expiry: 11 Mar 04:16 2021 > Text: > > I pledge to transfer 100 coins to R. Lee by the end of this pledge’s > time window if Peter Suber registers as a player. The time window > for this pledge is one year. > > > > "G's encouragement" created by R. Lee > Time of creation: 3 Jun 03:24 2020 > Time window: 3 months > Time of expiry: 3 Sep 03:24 2020 > Text: > > I pledge to pay G. (or any other player) all my coins and victory points > if e fills in all the gaps in the CFJ database in the years 2018 and > 2019. Time window is 3 months. > > > > "No Fraud, Becca" created by R. Lee > Time of creation: 3 Jun 03:34 2020 > Time window: 3 months > Time of expiry: 3 Sep 03:34 2020 > Text: > > I also pledge not to transfer coins to other entities to avoid the above > pledge for the same time window of 3 months. Violating this pledge > shall be a class 8 crime. > > > > "Don't touch the statute" created by Jason > Time of creation: 4 Jun 00:32 2020 > Time window: 60 days > Time of expiry: 3 Aug 00:32 2020 > Text: > > I pledge not to change rule numbers in order to interfere with the > functioning of a statute for the period of 60 days. > > > > "Offer for those interested in creating a bridge" created by P.S.S. > Time of creation: 22 Jun 22:50 2020 > Time window: 60 days > Time of expiry: 21 Aug 22:50 2020 > Text: > > I will create a contract compensating the creator and maintainer of such > a bridge[1] with good uptime and usability after it has functioned for a > month. The compensation shall be no less than that received by a > competent, law-abiding officer or its reasonable equivalent in cards. > > [1] context: > > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-June/043564.html > > > > "No power abuse" created by Jason > Time of creation: 23 Jun 23:20 2020 > Time window: 60 days > Time of creation: 22 Aug 23:20 2020 > Text: > > If I acquire the office of Prime Minister, I pledge to exercise no > cabinet orders and to initiate an election within 7 days. > > > > "No emergency regulations" created by Jason > Time of creation: 23 Jun 23:27 2020 > Time window: 60 days > Time of creation: 22 Aug 23:27 2020 > Text: > > I pledge to issue no intents pertaining to emergency regulations if I > become Prime Minister. > > >
