Re: BUS: [Proposal, Petition] Fee-based method fix
TTttPF > On Jul 29, 2020, at 6:26 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > As di U. > >> On Jul 29, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business >> wrote: >> >> On 7/29/20 8:44 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: >>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 10:50 AM Jason Cobb via agora-business < >>> agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: >>> I submit the following proposal and petition the H. Promotor to attempt to pend it with 2 support: Title: Fee-based de-escalation >>> >>> [I asked Jason to explain the bug on Discord. Apparently there's a power >>> escalation that allows a rule of any power to make an action performed with >>> a fee of 0, causing the fee-based actions rule to provide a method to do it >>> by announcement at power 3.0.] >>> >>> My response to the petition: >>> For N from 2 to 5, I intend with N support to pend the proposal submitted >>> in the quote above. >> >> >> I support each such intent. >> >> -- >> Jason Cobb >> >
Re: BUS: [Proposal, Petition] Fee-based method fix
On 7/29/2020 9:18 PM, ATMunn wrote: On 7/29/2020 8:55 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business wrote: On 7/29/20 8:45 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: On 7/29/20 8:44 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 10:50 AM Jason Cobb via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: I submit the following proposal and petition the H. Promotor to attempt to pend it with 2 support: Title: Fee-based de-escalation [I asked Jason to explain the bug on Discord. Apparently there's a power escalation that allows a rule of any power to make an action performed with a fee of 0, causing the fee-based actions rule to provide a method to do it by announcement at power 3.0.] My response to the petition: For N from 2 to 5, I intend with N support to pend the proposal submitted in the quote above. I support each such intent. As do I. As di U, Big typing fail. I support all intents to pend the proposal created earlier in this thread. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
Re: BUS: [Proposal, Petition] Fee-based method fix
On 7/29/2020 8:55 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business wrote: On 7/29/20 8:45 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: On 7/29/20 8:44 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 10:50 AM Jason Cobb via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: I submit the following proposal and petition the H. Promotor to attempt to pend it with 2 support: Title: Fee-based de-escalation [I asked Jason to explain the bug on Discord. Apparently there's a power escalation that allows a rule of any power to make an action performed with a fee of 0, causing the fee-based actions rule to provide a method to do it by announcement at power 3.0.] My response to the petition: For N from 2 to 5, I intend with N support to pend the proposal submitted in the quote above. I support each such intent. As do I. As di U, -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
Re: BUS: [Proposal, Petition] Fee-based method fix
On 7/29/20 8:45 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > On 7/29/20 8:44 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: >> On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 10:50 AM Jason Cobb via agora-business < >> agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: >> >>> I submit the following proposal and petition the H. Promotor to attempt >>> to pend it with 2 support: >>> >>> Title: Fee-based de-escalation >> >> [I asked Jason to explain the bug on Discord. Apparently there's a power >> escalation that allows a rule of any power to make an action performed with >> a fee of 0, causing the fee-based actions rule to provide a method to do it >> by announcement at power 3.0.] >> >> My response to the petition: >> For N from 2 to 5, I intend with N support to pend the proposal submitted >> in the quote above. > > > I support each such intent. > As do I. -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
Re: BUS: [Proposal, Petition] Fee-based method fix
On 7/29/20 8:44 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 10:50 AM Jason Cobb via agora-business < > agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> I submit the following proposal and petition the H. Promotor to attempt >> to pend it with 2 support: >> >> Title: Fee-based de-escalation > > [I asked Jason to explain the bug on Discord. Apparently there's a power > escalation that allows a rule of any power to make an action performed with > a fee of 0, causing the fee-based actions rule to provide a method to do it > by announcement at power 3.0.] > > My response to the petition: > For N from 2 to 5, I intend with N support to pend the proposal submitted > in the quote above. I support each such intent. -- Jason Cobb
Re: BUS: [Proposal, Petition] Fee-based method fix
On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 10:50 AM Jason Cobb via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I submit the following proposal and petition the H. Promotor to attempt > to pend it with 2 support: > > Title: Fee-based de-escalation [I asked Jason to explain the bug on Discord. Apparently there's a power escalation that allows a rule of any power to make an action performed with a fee of 0, causing the fee-based actions rule to provide a method to do it by announcement at power 3.0.] My response to the petition: For N from 2 to 5, I intend with N support to pend the proposal submitted in the quote above.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3866 Judged FALSE
I support this. On reading the judgement, I'm quite amused, but left a bit dissatisfied. In particular, I don't see how this is different than other contract clauses that "affirm consent" via an elongated process (e.g. with Notice or whatnot). The main difference is the final trigger is the passage of a deadline. But that deadline is also public information. If a public clause read "If noone objects to a change within X, it automatically takes effect", it's not clear to me that this would be blocked, as all the information is publicly available even if the deadline passes silently. On 7/29/2020 9:10 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: > Ah. I intend, with 2 support, to file a Motion to Reconsider > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 4:48 PM ATMunn via agora-discussion < > agora-discuss...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> On 7/29/2020 4:06 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: >>> I motion to reconsider. >> >> This fails; group-filing a Motion to Reconsider is a 2-support dependent >> action. >> >> -- >> ATMunn >> friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :) >>
BUS: [@Treasuror] Re: OFF: [Webmastor] AgoraOnLine (July 2020, Pt. 2)
Please note that this report wasn't duty-fulfilling (because I already did one this month), I'm just trying to get in the habit of putting out the report at the end of the month. On 7/29/20 12:14 PM, nix via agora-official wrote: > Jul 2020 > > - Added Header to agoranomic.org/Registrar (nix) > - Added Header to agoranomic.org/assessor (nix) > - Updated agoranomic.org/Treasuror header (nix) > - Changed homepage to jeklly/markdown (Trigon) > - Various content improvements for agoranomic.org/Help (PSS) > - Added ACORN (report of regulations) to agoranomic.org/Ruleset (Jason) > - Updated/fixed the ruleset viewer at agora-ruleset.gaelan.me (Gaelan) > - Public turn-by-turn Birthday Tournament maps at > https://agoranomic.org/omd-diplonomic-2020-maps/ (omd) I transfer 3 coins to Trigon. I transfer 3 coins to PSS. I transfer 3 coins to Jason. I transfer 3 coins to Gaelan. I transfer 3 coins to omd. -- nix Prime Minister, Webmastor, Platonic Pirate
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3866 Judged FALSE
Ah. I intend, with 2 support, to file a Motion to Reconsider On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 4:48 PM ATMunn via agora-discussion < agora-discuss...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 7/29/2020 4:06 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: > > I motion to reconsider. > > This fails; group-filing a Motion to Reconsider is a 2-support dependent > action. > > -- > ATMunn > friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :) >
Re: BUS: CFJ 3866 Judged FALSE
On Wed, 2020-07-29 at 10:06 +0200, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: > I motion to reconsider. The "A public message, after all, is evaluated only > once, and does not continue taking effect thereafter" thing seems weird to > me, considering that we can do deadlines for things. Or maybe deadlines > just don't work at all! Which would be amusing as well. > > For example "This contract is OPEN before July 1, and CLOSED after it." > > It would be weird that such a contract would be OPEN forever, but that is > what this Judgement seems to imply, that mechanisms "in the background" > can't happen, because they're not being evaluated by a message. That, or > the reproduction still works, and my CfJ referring to these reproducing > contracts did set this Schr??ninger's Box to the state it was written to be > in. Gratuitous: the "OPEN" / "CLOSED" example works because it changes only contract-defined gamestate, not something tracked by the rules of Agora themselves. It could easily be interpreted as a shorthand definition: "This contract is OPEN" means "The date is before July 1". Changing officer-tracked information is much more difficult. -- ais523
Re: BUS: [Herald] Let's Award an A.N.A. to Aris
I support because yes On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 8:42 AM N. S. via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 8:04 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-business < > agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > > > On 7/28/2020 2:29 PM, Falsifian via agora-business wrote: > > > On 2020-07-27 10:46, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business > > > wrote: > > >> I certify that the peer review process has occurred and intend, with 2 > > >> Agoran consent, to award Aris the degree of Associate of Nomic > Artistry. > > > > > > I support. > > > > > > > I support. > > > > I object > > -- > From R. Lee >
Re: BUS: CFJ 3866 Judged FALSE
I motion to reconsider. The "A public message, after all, is evaluated only once, and does not continue taking effect thereafter" thing seems weird to me, considering that we can do deadlines for things. Or maybe deadlines just don't work at all! Which would be amusing as well. For example "This contract is OPEN before July 1, and CLOSED after it." It would be weird that such a contract would be OPEN forever, but that is what this Judgement seems to imply, that mechanisms "in the background" can't happen, because they're not being evaluated by a message. That, or the reproduction still works, and my CfJ referring to these reproducing contracts did set this Schröninger's Box to the state it was written to be in. On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 5:46 AM Aris Merchant via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > CFJ 3866 > > Please note that the adjudication of this case involves possible contact > with a > purported novel species of contractual organism, which could be dangerous > and > requires expert knowledge to handle appropriately. Accordingly, a biologist > will act as judge. > > Biologists's Arguments > > The contract cited in the caller's evidence purports to reproduce once > every > minute. This is contrary to the scientific understanding of the contractual > life cycle, as I will explain. > > Accordingly Rule 1742, a contract is formed when persons "publicly make > an agreement among themselves". These persons act essentially in lieu of > parents, and the public agreement is necessary for them to instill life > in the contract. Per Rule 478, "To do something 'publicly' is to do that > thing > within a public message." In other words, a public message provides a > unique > environment crucial for the contract to be born. > > The purported creation of the duplicate contracts did not take place by > making > an agreement in a public message: the consent to create them was made > public, > but it could not take effect at the time the message was evaluated. Because > the environment of a public message is crucial for the genesis of the > contractual organism, it must be present concurrently with the organism's > birth. A public message, after all, is evaluated only once, and does > not continue taking effect thereafter. Accordingly, I rule FALSE. Let this > be a lesson to all that life is subtle and unique and that you should > increase the funding of the biology department accordingly. > > Biologist's Evidence > > Rule 1742/22 (Power=2.5) > Contracts > > Any group of one or more consenting persons (the parties) may > publicly make an agreement among themselves with the intention > that it be binding upon them and be governed by the rules. Such > an agreement is known as a contract. A contract may be modified, > including by changing the set of parties, with the consent of all > existing parties. A contract may also be terminated with the > consent of all parties. A contract automatically terminates if the > number of parties to it falls below one. It is IMPOSSIBLE for a > person to become a party to a contract without eir consent. > > Parties to a contract governed by the rules SHALL act in > accordance with that contract. This obligation is not impaired > by contradiction between the contract and any other contract, or > between the contract and the rules. > > Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, any change that would cause > the full provisions or parties of a contract to become publicly > unavailable is canceled and does not take effect. > > The portion of a contract's provisions that can be interpreted > with reference only to information that is either publicly or > generally available are known as its body; the remainder of the > provisions are known as the annex. > > A party to a contract CAN perform any of the following actions as > explicitly and unambiguously permitted by the contract's body: > > * Act on behalf of another party to the contract. > > * By announcement, revoke destructible assets from the contract. > > * By announcement, transfer liquid assets from the contract to a > specified recipient. > > Rule 478/38 (Power=3) > Fora > > Freedom of speech being essential for the healthy functioning of > any non-Imperial nomic, it is hereby resolved that no Player shall > be prohibited from participating in the Fora, nor shall any person > create physical or technological obstacles that unduly favor some > players' fora access over others. > > Publicity is a secured forum switch with values Public, > Discussion, and Foreign (default), tracked by the Registrar. > > The Registrar may change the publicity of a forum without > objection as long as: > > 1. e sends eir announcement of intent to that forum; and > > 2. if the forum is to be made public, the announcement by which > the Registrar makes that forum public is sent to all existing > public fora. > > Each player should ensure e can receive
Re: BUS: [Herald] Let's Award an A.N.A. to Aris
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 8:04 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 7/28/2020 2:29 PM, Falsifian via agora-business wrote: > > On 2020-07-27 10:46, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business > > wrote: > >> I certify that the peer review process has occurred and intend, with 2 > >> Agoran consent, to award Aris the degree of Associate of Nomic Artistry. > > > > I support. > > > > I support. > > I object -- >From R. Lee
