[CFJ 3954] Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer does some experiments

[secretsnail9 via agora-business]

On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 1:02 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:

>
> On 4/9/2022 10:37 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote:
> >> I CFJ: I have transferred exactly 2 coins to someone within the last 10
> >> minutes.
> >
> >
> > I number the above CFJ 3954 and assign it to G.
>
>
> I recuse myself from this CFJ.  It should be linked to previous.
>
> -G.
>

I assign the above CFJ (3954) to myself, as I was assigned the linked CFJ
(3953). Below is my judgement:

When a player cashes a promise, e acts on the creator of the promise's
behalf, causing the creator to act as if e published the promise's text.

So how would Madrid act if e published the following text at the time of
the cashing?

> > > {
> > > Cashing Conditions: None
> > >
> > > Text: If the person who cashes in this Promise has a Degree of some
> kind,
> > > then Madrid transfers to them 1 coin, otherwise, Madrid transfers to
> > them 2
> > > coins.
> > > }
>
(Note that cashing conditions are part of the text. It seems reasonable to
assume "Cashing conditions: none" and "Text:" have no effect, as it's clear
what action is meant to be taken.)

We'll assume "the person who cashes in this Promise" is able to be
evaluated, just as "the bearer" would be. The bearer in this case was
secretsnail, so the text evaluates to "If secretsnail has a Degree, Madrid
transfers em 1 coin, otherwise, Madrid transfers em 2 coins." So if Madrid
published the promise's text, e would certainly be acting to transfer
secretsnail 2 coins, as secretsnail has no Degrees.

Therefore, the cashing of the promise would cause Madrid to act in that
same manner, transferring 2 coins to secretsnail. This transfer is
certainly a game action that Madrid could have taken at the time, so the
Acting on Behalf requirements are met. It seems as though conditionals in
promises generally work as intended so long as they would work if the
creator published them.

As such, I judge CFJ 3954 TRUE.
--
secretsnail

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] April Stone Auction

[secretsnail9 via agora-business]

--
secretsnail


On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 10:40 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> On 4/10/22 22:46, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 9:42 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business <
> > agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 4/10/22 21:54, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote:
> >>> On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 8:37 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business <
> >>> agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> >>>
>  On 4/7/22 14:22, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote:
> >> On Apr 7, 2022, at 1:07 PM, juan via agora-business <
>  agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> >> On 2022-04-07 10:42, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote:
>  On 4/7/2022 10:38 AM, Madrid via agora-business wrote:
>  I bid 2 coins in each lot
> 
>  On Thursday, April 7, 2022, Jason Cobb via agora-business <
>  agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> 
> > On 4/7/22 12:28, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote:
> >> Pursuant to Rule 2642, I initiate a stone auction with the
> >> following
> >> lots: [Soul Stone], [Sabotage Stone].
> > I bid 1 coin on each lot.
> >>> I bid 222 coins on each lot.
> >>>
> >>> -G.
> >> I bid 300 coins on the Soul Stone.
> >>
> >> --
> >> juan
> > I bid 379 coins on the Soul Stone.
> >
> > I bid 279 coins on the sabotage stone.
> >
> > --
> > secretsnail
>  I bid 500 coins on each.
> 
> >>> I bid 621 coins on both lots.
> >>> --
> >>> secretsnail
> >>
> >> I bid 700 coins on each.
> >>
> > I bid 779 coins on each lot.
> > --
> > secretsnail
>
>
> I bid 800 coins on each.
>

I bid 821 coins on each.
--
secretsnail

Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer wants to confirm

[Jason Cobb via agora-business]

On 4/6/22 13:34, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 2:40 AM Madrid via agora-business <
> agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
>> I CfJ: It is possible to make someone else cast a vote of your choice via
>> acting on behalf.
>>
> I number the above CFJ 3952 and assign it to Jason.
>
> --
> secretsnail


I assign the following judgement in CFJ 3952:

Arguments:
{

Rule 683 states that "An entity submits a ballot on an Agoran decision
by publishing a notice satisfying [...]". This means that submitting a
ballot is an action taken instantly by publishing certain text (i.e. it
is not continuously evaluated by retrospectively evaluating these
conditions, as was done by the previous iteration of dependent actions).
This means that second paragraph of R2466 does not prohibit acting on
behalf to perform this action.

The conditions set forth in R683 are evaluated as if the agent was the
principal, since no rule explicitly states otherwise. There are clearly
a set of circumstances under which the principal could cast the ballot,
so there are also sets of circumstances under which the agent could cast
the ballot. It is thus POSSIBLE, under certain circumstances, to act on
behalf to cast a ballot.

However, the fact that this is possible in the abstract does not mean
that it's possible in any current circumstances. If the caller wanted
that to be evaluated, e should have made a more specific CFJ. Judged
DISMISS for lack of specificity about the circumstances in the statement.

}


Evidence:
{

Rule 2466/2 (Power=3)
Acting on Behalf

  When a rule allows one person (the agent) to act on behalf of
  another (the principal) to perform an action, that agent CAN
  perform the action if it is POSSIBLE for the principal to do so,
  taking into account any prerequisites for the action. If the
  enabling rule does not specify the mechanism by which the agent
  may do so, then the agent CAN perform the action in the same
  manner in which the principal CAN do so, with the additional
  requirement that the agent must, in the message in which the
  action is performed, uniquely identify the principal and that the
  action is being taken on behalf of that person.
  
  A person SHALL NOT act on behalf of another person if doing so
  causes the second person to violate the rules. A person CANNOT act
  on behalf of another person to do anything except perform a game
  action; in particular, a person CANNOT act on behalf of another
  person to send a message, only to perform specific actions that
  might be taken within a message, including actions that would
  otherwise be taken by publishing certain text.
  
  When an action is performed on behalf of a principal, then the
  action is considered for all game purposes to have been performed
  by the principal, unless a rule specifically states that it is
  treated differently for some purpose, in which case it is treated
  as described by that rule.
  
  Allowing a person to act on behalf of another person is secured at
  power 2.0. This rule takes precedence over any rule that would
  prohibit a person from taking an action, except that it defers to
  any rule that imposes limitations specifically on actions taken on
  behalf of another person.


Rule 683/27 (Power=3)
Voting on Agoran Decisions

  An entity submits a ballot on an Agoran decision by publishing a
  notice satisfying the following conditions:
  
  1. The ballot is submitted during the voting period for the
 decision.
  
  2. The entity casting the ballot (the voter) was, at the
 initiation of the decision, a player.
  
  3. The ballot clearly identifies the matter to be decided.
  
  4. The ballot clearly identifies a valid vote, as determined by
 the voting method.
  
  5. The ballot clearly sets forth the voter's intent to place
 the identified vote.
  
  6. The voter has no other valid ballots on the same decision.
  
  A valid ballot is a ballot, correctly submitted, that has not been
  withdrawn. During the voting period of an Agoran decision, an
  entity CAN by announcement withdraw (syn. retract) a ballot that e
  submitted on that decision. To "change" one's vote is to retract
  eir previous ballot (if any), then submit a new one. Submitting
  and withdrawing ballots is secured.


}

-- 
Jason Cobb

Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] April Stone Auction

[Jason Cobb via agora-business]

On 4/10/22 22:46, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 9:42 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business <
> agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
>> On 4/10/22 21:54, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote:
>>> On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 8:37 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business <
>>> agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>>>
 On 4/7/22 14:22, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote:
>> On Apr 7, 2022, at 1:07 PM, juan via agora-business <
 agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>> On 2022-04-07 10:42, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote:
 On 4/7/2022 10:38 AM, Madrid via agora-business wrote:
 I bid 2 coins in each lot

 On Thursday, April 7, 2022, Jason Cobb via agora-business <
 agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> On 4/7/22 12:28, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote:
>> Pursuant to Rule 2642, I initiate a stone auction with the
>> following
>> lots: [Soul Stone], [Sabotage Stone].
> I bid 1 coin on each lot.
>>> I bid 222 coins on each lot.
>>>
>>> -G.
>> I bid 300 coins on the Soul Stone.
>>
>> --
>> juan
> I bid 379 coins on the Soul Stone.
>
> I bid 279 coins on the sabotage stone.
>
> --
> secretsnail
 I bid 500 coins on each.

>>> I bid 621 coins on both lots.
>>> --
>>> secretsnail
>>
>> I bid 700 coins on each.
>>
> I bid 779 coins on each lot.
> --
> secretsnail


I bid 800 coins on each.

-- 
Jason Cobb

Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] April Stone Auction

[secretsnail9 via agora-business]

On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 9:42 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> On 4/10/22 21:54, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 8:37 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business <
> > agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 4/7/22 14:22, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote:
>  On Apr 7, 2022, at 1:07 PM, juan via agora-business <
> >> agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>  On 2022-04-07 10:42, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote:
> >> On 4/7/2022 10:38 AM, Madrid via agora-business wrote:
> >> I bid 2 coins in each lot
> >>
> >> On Thursday, April 7, 2022, Jason Cobb via agora-business <
> >> agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 4/7/22 12:28, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote:
>  Pursuant to Rule 2642, I initiate a stone auction with the
> following
>  lots: [Soul Stone], [Sabotage Stone].
> >>> I bid 1 coin on each lot.
> > I bid 222 coins on each lot.
> >
> > -G.
>  I bid 300 coins on the Soul Stone.
> 
>  --
>  juan
> >>> I bid 379 coins on the Soul Stone.
> >>>
> >>> I bid 279 coins on the sabotage stone.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> secretsnail
> >>
> >> I bid 500 coins on each.
> >>
> > I bid 621 coins on both lots.
> > --
> > secretsnail
>
>
> I bid 700 coins on each.
>

I bid 779 coins on each lot.
--
secretsnail

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Hopefully you disagree

[Jason Cobb via agora-business]

On 4/10/22 22:36, juan via agora-business wrote:
> On 2022-04-10 01:40, Aspen via agora-discussion wrote:
>> I would greatly appreciate it if you flagged your proposals, by
>> putting "[Proposal]" or "Proposal:" or similar in the title line. I
>> find proposals by searching through messages whose titles contain the
>> word "Proposal". Since people have been pretty good about it, even
>> though it's not codified, it saves me a lot of time.
> Very well. I have not yet caught on to the subject-line practices.
>
> Also, I withdraw this proposal.
>

This... probably fails? It doesn't clearly cite which proposal is being
withdrawn.

-- 
Jason Cobb

Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] April Stone Auction

[Jason Cobb via agora-business]

On 4/10/22 21:54, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 8:37 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business <
> agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
>> On 4/7/22 14:22, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote:
 On Apr 7, 2022, at 1:07 PM, juan via agora-business <
>> agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:
 On 2022-04-07 10:42, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote:
>> On 4/7/2022 10:38 AM, Madrid via agora-business wrote:
>> I bid 2 coins in each lot
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2022, Jason Cobb via agora-business <
>> agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/7/22 12:28, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote:
 Pursuant to Rule 2642, I initiate a stone auction with the following
 lots: [Soul Stone], [Sabotage Stone].
>>> I bid 1 coin on each lot.
> I bid 222 coins on each lot.
>
> -G.
 I bid 300 coins on the Soul Stone.

 --
 juan
>>> I bid 379 coins on the Soul Stone.
>>>
>>> I bid 279 coins on the sabotage stone.
>>>
>>> --
>>> secretsnail
>>
>> I bid 500 coins on each.
>>
> I bid 621 coins on both lots.
> --
> secretsnail


I bid 700 coins on each.

-- 
Jason Cobb

Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Hopefully you disagree

[juan via agora-business]

On 2022-04-10 01:40, Aspen via agora-discussion wrote:
> I would greatly appreciate it if you flagged your proposals, by
> putting "[Proposal]" or "Proposal:" or similar in the title line. I
> find proposals by searching through messages whose titles contain the
> word "Proposal". Since people have been pretty good about it, even
> though it's not codified, it saves me a lot of time.

Very well. I have not yet caught on to the subject-line practices.

Also, I withdraw this proposal.

-- 
juan

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] April Stone Auction

[secretsnail9 via agora-business]

On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 8:37 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> On 4/7/22 14:22, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote:
> >> On Apr 7, 2022, at 1:07 PM, juan via agora-business <
> agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2022-04-07 10:42, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote:
>  On 4/7/2022 10:38 AM, Madrid via agora-business wrote:
>  I bid 2 coins in each lot
> 
>  On Thursday, April 7, 2022, Jason Cobb via agora-business <
>  agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> 
> > On 4/7/22 12:28, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote:
> >> Pursuant to Rule 2642, I initiate a stone auction with the following
> >> lots: [Soul Stone], [Sabotage Stone].
> >
> > I bid 1 coin on each lot.
> >>> I bid 222 coins on each lot.
> >>>
> >>> -G.
> >> I bid 300 coins on the Soul Stone.
> >>
> >> --
> >> juan
> > I bid 379 coins on the Soul Stone.
> >
> > I bid 279 coins on the sabotage stone.
> >
> > --
> > secretsnail
>
>
> I bid 500 coins on each.
>

I bid 621 coins on both lots.
--
secretsnail

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] April Stone Auction

[Jason Cobb via agora-business]

On 4/7/22 14:22, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote:
>> On Apr 7, 2022, at 1:07 PM, juan via agora-business 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> On 2022-04-07 10:42, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote:
 On 4/7/2022 10:38 AM, Madrid via agora-business wrote:
 I bid 2 coins in each lot

 On Thursday, April 7, 2022, Jason Cobb via agora-business <
 agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> On 4/7/22 12:28, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote:
>> Pursuant to Rule 2642, I initiate a stone auction with the following
>> lots: [Soul Stone], [Sabotage Stone].
>
> I bid 1 coin on each lot.
>>> I bid 222 coins on each lot.
>>>
>>> -G.
>> I bid 300 coins on the Soul Stone.
>>
>> -- 
>> juan
> I bid 379 coins on the Soul Stone.
>
> I bid 279 coins on the sabotage stone.
>
> --
> secretsnail


I bid 500 coins on each.

-- 
Jason Cobb

Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason

BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8665-8666

[Jason Cobb via agora-business]

On 4/10/22 04:31, Aspen via agora-official wrote:
> 8665*   nix, Jason, ais523  3.0   Promise Expirations 1.1

FOR


> 8666&   snail, nix  1.0   The Secretarybird

PRESENT

-- 
Jason Cobb

Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason

Re: BUS: (@Treasuror, @Collector, @Notary) Stamp Minting

[secretsnail9 via agora-business]

Edward Murphy wrote  via agora-business, Sun, 10 Apr 2022 14:13:52 -0700:

>
> I create the following promise and transfer it to the Library:
>
> {
> Cashing conditions: The bearer has transferred to me a Stamp of a type
> that I didn't already own earlier in the same message as they cash in
> this promise, and e has not cashed any other promise in between, and I
> will still own that type immediately after this message, and I have at
> least one Stamp of type Murphy.
>
> I transfer one Stamp of type Murphy to the bearer, then create a copy
> of this promise and transfer it to the Library.
> }
>



 If I do not have a Murphy Stamp, I perform the following actions if and
only if they all succeed:
{

I transfer a Madrid stamp to Murphy.

I take the above promise from the library and cash it.

}

(My last attempt was badly formatted and this should resolve any ambiguity.)
--
secretsnail

BUS: (@Treasuror, @Collector, @Notary) Stamp Minting

[secretsnail9 via agora-business]

Two times, I Mint a Stamp, pursuant to the contract "Stamp Servitude".
(Madrid is the Other.)

(To Mint a Stamp is to perform the following sequence of actions:
- Transfer 3 Boatloads of Coins from yourself to the Other.
- Act on behalf of the Other to have the Other pay 3 Boatloads of Coins to
create 1 Stamp of the Other's Type.
- Act on behalf of the Other to have the Other transfer 1 Stamp of the
Other's Type to yourself.)



Edward Murphy wrote  via agora-business, Sun, 10 Apr 2022 14:13:52 -0700:

I create the following promise and transfer it to the Library:

{
Cashing conditions: The bearer has transferred to me a Stamp of a type
that I didn't already own earlier in the same message as they cash in
this promise, and e has not cashed any other promise in between, and I
will still own that type immediately after this message, and I have at
least one Stamp of type Murphy.

I transfer one Stamp of type Murphy to the bearer, then create a copy
of this promise and transfer it to the Library.
}

I perform the following actions if and only if they all succeed:
{

I transfer a Madrid stamp to Murphy.

I take the above promise from the library and cash it.

}

--
secretsnail

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] [Weekly Report] Forbes 396

[Trigon via agora-business]

El 11/04/2022 a las 00:00, secretsnail9 via agora-business escribió:

COE: you missed this message in which I cashed a promise to act on behalf
of Madrid to transfer myself 2 coins.
https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg42316.html

--
secretsnail


In response I cite the CFJ on whether this worked.

--
Trigon

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

 ¸¸.•*¨*• Play AGORA QUEST





I’m always happy to become a party to contracts.
I LOVE SPAGHETTI
transfer Jason one coin
nch was here
I hereby
don't... trust... the dragon...
don't... trust... the dragon...
Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] [Weekly Report] Forbes 396

[secretsnail9 via agora-business]

COE: you missed this message in which I cashed a promise to act on behalf
of Madrid to transfer myself 2 coins.
https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg42316.html

--
secretsnail

BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] First Victory Auction of April 2022

[secretsnail9 via agora-business]

On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 6:55 PM Trigon via agora-official <
agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

I, Trigon, the Treasuror of Agora Nomic, being authorized by Rule 2654,
do hereby initiate a Victory Auction.

The first lot is one new Win Card.

The second lot is one Justice Card, owned by the Lost and Found
Department.



I bid 2000 coins on the Win Card. I bid 1000 coins on the Justice Card.
--
secretsnail

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] [Weekly Report] Forbes 396

[Trigon via agora-business]

El 10/04/2022 a las 23:39, Kerim Aydin via agora-business escribió:

CoE:  Coin and Victory Card balances likely incorrect somehow due to the
missed winning bid in the auction (for the 1-card lot).


Accepted. Revision:


FORBES THREE HUNDRED NINETY-FIVE
   or   
   TREASUROR'S WEEKLY REPORT


Reports available online at: 

DATES OF PUBLICATION  (contains no data)


(all times and dates in UTC)

Date of previous original report: 03 April 2022
Date of first report this week:   10 April 2022


NOTES ON REPORT   (contains no data)


* Find my report drafts on Discord or IRC.
* As always, please check the general accuracy of this report.


BUOYANCY


Total Buoyancy:249961
Buoyancy Target:   247260
Unit of Flotation: 100.


ASSET BALANCES


   Player(+a)  cn wcjclcvcwsbgpdvt
 ==  ==                
 ais[0]   14159 0 4 0 226 2 4 5
 Aspen21867 1 3 0 0 0 3 9 0
 banana [1]4255 1 0 0 1 1 0 4 1
 dahuman   1000 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
 duck  1820 2 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
 G.   13697 8 3 1 1 013 9 0
 Gaelan7664 1 0 0 0 0 2 3 2
 Jason20801 0 1 0 0 0 1 6 6
 juan  4138 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0
 Madrid4590 0 0 0 0 4 0 0 0
 Murphy   18235 1 1 1 3 0 0 3 5
 nix  21456 1 1 2 0 0 0 7 4
 R. Lee5307 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
 snail  [2]   25470 1 0 3 0 4 5 9 7
 Telna 1820 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0
 Trigon   27881 2 2 0 030 0 0 0

0. ais523
1. cuddlybanana
2. secretsnail

   Player(-a)  cn wcjclcvcwsbgpdvt
 ==  ==                
 Benbot [0]2342 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0
 Joe[1]   0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
 omd   5101 1 0 0 0 0 3 3 2
 redtara   2280 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
 Sgeo  1950 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
 Spyder [2]2540 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
 TABBAT1430 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
 tris  1970 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0

0. Benbot²
1. Slam_Joe_Jr_Supreme
2. TrapdoorSpyder

  Contract(00) cn wcjclcvcwsbgpdvt
 ==  ==                
 ATMStash   [0]   17538 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
 CB Locker  [1]   0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
 D. Corp.   [2]3156 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
 FIAA   [3]   0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
 G.ravity99 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
 Geocache   [4]   0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 0
 Hoard  [5]4914 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
 IBTWWBG[6]  50 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
 Lever  [7]   0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
 Nim 50 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
 PlunderPS  [8] 109 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
 Pooling[9]   0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
 Pot   [10]   0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
 SEAMSTRESS[11] 246 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

0. ATMunn's Stash
1. Cuddlebeam's Locker
2. Dragon Corporation
3. Food Industry Association of Agora
4. Growing Endlessly Operation: Cache
5. Dragon's Hoard
6. I Bet This Was Written By G.
7. The Useless Lever
8. Plunder Partnership
9. Obstructive Pooling
10. The Pot
11. Signature Enthusiast Allows Modification of Signature Through
 

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Resolution of March 2022 Victory Auction 1

[Trigon via agora-business]

El 10/04/2022 a las 23:38, Kerim Aydin via agora-business escribió:


On 4/10/2022 4:23 PM, Trigon via agora-official wrote:

The Bidding Period of the First Victory Auction of March 2022 having
ended at 15:40 on 6 April 2022, it is now the Distribution Period.

G. wins the six win cards for a price of 40001.

I transfer 6 win cards to G. from the Lost and Found Department.
I destroy 40001 of G.'s coins.

Jason wins the six win cards for a price of 3500.

I create 1 win card in Jason's possession.
I destroy 3500 of Jason's coins.


CoE:  On this 1 win card lot, I bid 3600 here:
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2022-March/048710.html

The Bidding Period of the First Victory Auction of March 2022 having
ended at 15:40 on 6 April 2022, it is now the Distribution Period.

G. wins the six win cards for a price of 40001.

I transfer 6 win cards to G. from the Lost and Found Department.
I destroy 40001 of G.'s coins.
(No faking: this might have succeeded the first time)

G. wins the six win cards for a price of 3600.

I create 1 win card in G.'s possession.
I destroy 3600 of G.'s coins.


BIDS ON THIS AUCTION


-- FOR THE SIX WIN CARDS --

[2022-03-26 19:00] nix3350cn
[2022-03-26 19:05] secretsnail9   3350cn
[2022-03-26 19:07] Trigon1cn
[2022-03-26 19:14] Jason 10500cn
[2022-03-26 19:17] secretsnail9  10902cn
[2022-03-26 19:18] nix1500cn
[2022-03-26 19:18] Trigon1cn
[2022-03-26 19:22] secretsnail9  11211cn
[2022-03-26 19:35] Trigon12321cn
[2022-03-26 19:38] secretsnail9  12521cn
[2022-03-26 19:46] Trigon13531cn
[2022-03-26 20:58] secretsnail9  13579cn
[2022-03-26 22:17] nix   15000cn
[2022-03-26 22:20] secretsnail9  15025cn
[2022-03-26 22:26] nix   16000cn
[2022-03-27 00:32] Jason 15999cn
[2022-03-27 01:21] secretsnail9  16100cn
[2022-03-29 19:15] G.17011cn
[2022-03-29 21:55] secretsnail9  17021cn
[2022-03-30 01:18] G.18000cn
[2022-03-30 01:48] secretsnail9  18031cn
[2022-03-30 22:22] G.18750cn
[2022-03-30 00:34] secretsnail9  19002cn
[2022-03-30 15:33] G.20001cn
[2022-03-30 16:21] secretsnail9  20102cn
[2022-04-01 14:19] G.21000cn
[2022-04-03 06:43] Trigon22000cn
[2022-04-03 18:36] G.22500cn
[2022-04-03 21:53] Trigon24000cn
[2022-04-04 00:20] G.26000cn
[2022-04-04 00:36] Trigon27000cn
[2022-04-04 00:41] G.28000cn
[2022-04-04 00:47] Trigon3cn
[2022-04-04 00:48] G.31000cn
[2022-04-04 00:52] Trigon35000cn
[2022-04-06 00:43] G.36000cn
[2022-04-06 05:43] Trigon38000cn
[2022-04-06 15:40] G.40001cn

-- FOR THE ONE WIN CARD --

[2022-03-26 19:00] nix3350cn
[2022-03-26 19:05] secretsnail9   3355cn
[2022-03-27 00:33] Jason  3500cn
[2022-03-29 19:15] G. 3600cn

Bids marked with numbers in parenthesis show priority on a lot.
Bids marked with asterisks are bids from withdrawn players.

--
Trigon

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I’m always happy to become a party to contracts.
I LOVE SPAGHETTI
transfer Jason one coin
nch was here
I hereby
don't... trust... the dragon...
don't... trust... the dragon...
Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this

BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] [Weekly Report] Forbes 396

[Kerim Aydin via agora-business]

On 4/10/2022 4:31 PM, Trigon via agora-official wrote:
>   G.   17297 7 3 1 1 013 9 0
>   Jason17301 1 1 0 0 0 1 6 6

CoE:  Coin and Victory Card balances likely incorrect somehow due to the
missed winning bid in the auction (for the 1-card lot).

-G.

BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Resolution of March 2022 Victory Auction 1

[Kerim Aydin via agora-business]

On 4/10/2022 4:23 PM, Trigon via agora-official wrote:
> The Bidding Period of the First Victory Auction of March 2022 having
> ended at 15:40 on 6 April 2022, it is now the Distribution Period.
> 
> G. wins the six win cards for a price of 40001.
> 
> I transfer 6 win cards to G. from the Lost and Found Department.
> I destroy 40001 of G.'s coins.
> 
> Jason wins the six win cards for a price of 3500.
> 
> I create 1 win card in Jason's possession.
> I destroy 3500 of Jason's coins.

CoE:  On this 1 win card lot, I bid 3600 here:
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2022-March/048710.html

-G.

> 
> BIDS ON THIS AUCTION
> 
> 
> -- FOR THE SIX WIN CARDS --
> 
> [2022-03-26 19:00] nix3350cn
> [2022-03-26 19:05] secretsnail9   3350cn
> [2022-03-26 19:07] Trigon1cn
> [2022-03-26 19:14] Jason 10500cn
> [2022-03-26 19:17] secretsnail9  10902cn
> [2022-03-26 19:18] nix1500cn
> [2022-03-26 19:18] Trigon1cn
> [2022-03-26 19:22] secretsnail9  11211cn
> [2022-03-26 19:35] Trigon12321cn
> [2022-03-26 19:38] secretsnail9  12521cn
> [2022-03-26 19:46] Trigon13531cn
> [2022-03-26 20:58] secretsnail9  13579cn
> [2022-03-26 22:17] nix   15000cn
> [2022-03-26 22:20] secretsnail9  15025cn
> [2022-03-26 22:26] nix   16000cn
> [2022-03-27 00:32] Jason 15999cn
> [2022-03-27 01:21] secretsnail9  16100cn
> [2022-03-29 19:15] G.17011cn
> [2022-03-29 21:55] secretsnail9  17021cn
> [2022-03-30 01:18] G.18000cn
> [2022-03-30 01:48] secretsnail9  18031cn
> [2022-03-30 22:22] G.18750cn
> [2022-03-30 00:34] secretsnail9  19002cn
> [2022-03-30 15:33] G.20001cn
> [2022-03-30 16:21] secretsnail9  20102cn
> [2022-04-01 14:19] G.21000cn
> [2022-04-03 06:43] Trigon22000cn
> [2022-04-03 18:36] G.22500cn
> [2022-04-03 21:53] Trigon24000cn
> [2022-04-04 00:20] G.26000cn
> [2022-04-04 00:36] Trigon27000cn
> [2022-04-04 00:41] G.28000cn
> [2022-04-04 00:47] Trigon3cn
> [2022-04-04 00:48] G.31000cn
> [2022-04-04 00:52] Trigon35000cn
> [2022-04-06 00:43] G.36000cn
> [2022-04-06 05:43] Trigon38000cn
> [2022-04-06 15:40] G.40001cn
> 
> -- FOR THE ONE WIN CARD --
> 
> [2022-03-26 19:00] nix3350cn
> [2022-03-26 19:05] secretsnail9   3355cn
> [2022-03-27 00:33] Jason  3500cn
> 
> Bids marked with numbers in parenthesis show priority on a lot.
> Bids marked with asterisks are bids from withdrawn players.
> 

BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8665-8666

[Edward Murphy via agora-business]

I vote as follows:


8665*   nix, Jason, ais523  3.0   Promise Expirations 1.1


FOR


8666&   snail, nix  1.0   The Secretarybird


FOR

BUS: Re: OFF: [CFJ 3955, Murphy] Re: BUS: (@Notary) Some Light Dark Arts

[Edward Murphy via agora-business]

secretsnail wrote:


On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 1:24 PM nix via agora-business <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:


On 4/6/22 13:18, ATMunn via agora-business wrote:

I act on behalf of Madrid to cash the promise with the text "nix
ossifies Agora."


I CFJ: Cashing this promise did nothing.

Evidence: Players can only act on behalf to perform game actions.
Ossifying Agora is not a game action.



I number the above CFJ 3955 and assign it to Murphy.


It destroyed the promise, regardless. FALSE.

For the record, I agree that cashing this promise did not cause
Agora to become ossified. Rule 1698 takes precedence over Rule
2618, and also, simply publishing "I ossify Agora" doen't cause
any specific changes that would fit R1698's definition of
ossification.

BUS: Renewable stamp trading (attn Notary)

[Edward Murphy via agora-business]

I create the following promise and transfer it to the Library:

{
Cashing conditions: The bearer has transferred to me a Stamp of a type
that I didn't already own earlier in the same message as they cash in
this promise, and e has not cashed any other promise in between, and I
will still own that type immediately after this message, and I have at
least one Stamp of type Murphy.

I transfer one Stamp of type Murphy to the bearer, then create a copy
of this promise and transfer it to the Library.
}

BUS: (@nix) resolving the Gesticulations

[Kerim Aydin via agora-business]

On 4/10/2022 12:32 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote:
> On Sun, 2022-04-10 at 12:23 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote:
>> Therefore these finger-pointing resolutions:
>>
>>> 2022-04-08
>>> By nix at nix for Engaging in Forbidden Arts. ("blurp")
>>> 2022-04-08
>>> By nix at nix for Engaging in Forbidden Arts. ("I ossify agora")
>>
>> The preponderance of evidence (in absence of a revealed hidden intent or
>> something) is that publicly stating "I ossify Agora" (or inventing some
>> jargon for that phrase) is a typical example of the ISIDTID fallacy that
>> does nothing and furthers nothing.  So I find both of the finger-points by
>> nix, above, to be SHENANIGANS.  Note that the second one might violate No
>> Faking (a previous attempt ran afoul of that), but that's not what the
>> above fingers were pointed for.
> 
> If I haven't already done so, and nor has anybody else, I point my
> finger at nix for initiating a finger pointing subsequently found to be
> shenanigans, committing the Crime of Unjustified Gesticulation in
> violation of rule 2478, for the first of the two finger-points
> mentioned above.

I issue a Warning (0+0 crime) to nix for the above Unjustified Gesticulation.

> If I haven't already done so, and nor has anybody else, I point my
> finger at nix for initiating a finger pointing subsequently found to be
> shenanigans, committing the Crime of Unjustified Gesticulation in
> violation of rule 2478, for the second of the two finger-points
> mentioned above.

I impose the CHoJ and levy a 1-blot (0+1) forgivable fine on nix
(forgivable because e was trying to demonstrate a point based on prior
assumptions in discord that didn't end up coming true) for this
Unjustified Gesticulation.  Specified words:  catastrophe, catalyst,
catalog, catchy, cater, cat.

-G.

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: (indictment intent on @jaun for support/objections) resolving fingers for the forbidden

[Jason Cobb via agora-business]

On 4/10/22 15:33, ais523 via agora-business wrote:
> On Sun, 2022-04-10 at 12:23 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-official
> wrote:
>> So, to split the difference, I intend, with 1.5 Agoran Consent, to
>> issue an indictment by levying a fine of 2 blots (i.e. reduced as
>> much as typically possible but acknowledging that it's not
>> "harmless") on Juan for the above mess.
> I support.
>

As do I.

-- 
Jason Cobb

Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason

BUS: Re: OFF: (indictment intent on @jaun for support/objections) resolving fingers for the forbidden

[ais523 via agora-business]

On Sun, 2022-04-10 at 12:23 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-official
wrote:
> So, to split the difference, I intend, with 1.5 Agoran Consent, to
> issue an indictment by levying a fine of 2 blots (i.e. reduced as
> much as typically possible but acknowledging that it's not
> "harmless") on Juan for the above mess.

I support.

-- 
ais523

BUS: (@Referee) Re: OFF: (indictment intent on @jaun for support/objections) resolving fingers for the forbidden

[ais523 via agora-business]

On Sun, 2022-04-10 at 12:23 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote:
> Therefore these finger-pointing resolutions:
> 
> > 2022-04-08
> > By nix at nix for Engaging in Forbidden Arts. ("blurp")
> > 2022-04-08
> > By nix at nix for Engaging in Forbidden Arts. ("I ossify agora")
> 
> The preponderance of evidence (in absence of a revealed hidden intent or
> something) is that publicly stating "I ossify Agora" (or inventing some
> jargon for that phrase) is a typical example of the ISIDTID fallacy that
> does nothing and furthers nothing.  So I find both of the finger-points by
> nix, above, to be SHENANIGANS.  Note that the second one might violate No
> Faking (a previous attempt ran afoul of that), but that's not what the
> above fingers were pointed for.

If I haven't already done so, and nor has anybody else, I point my
finger at nix for initiating a finger pointing subsequently found to be
shenanigans, committing the Crime of Unjustified Gesticulation in
violation of rule 2478, for the first of the two finger-points
mentioned above.

If I haven't already done so, and nor has anybody else, I point my
finger at nix for initiating a finger pointing subsequently found to be
shenanigans, committing the Crime of Unjustified Gesticulation in
violation of rule 2478, for the second of the two finger-points
mentioned above.

-- 
ais523

Re: OFF: [CFJ 3952, Jason] [CFJ 3953, snail] [CFJ 3954, G.] Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer does some experiments

[Kerim Aydin via agora-business]

On 4/9/2022 10:37 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote:
>> I CFJ: I have transferred exactly 2 coins to someone within the last 10
>> minutes.
> 
> 
> I number the above CFJ 3954 and assign it to G.


I recuse myself from this CFJ.  It should be linked to previous.

-G.

Re: BUS: (@Collector) Re: OFF: [Collector] Stamp Report 29 (Apr 9th 2022)

[nix via agora-business]

On 4/10/22 02:19, ais523 via agora-business wrote:
> On Sat, 2022-04-09 at 23:50 +, nix via agora-official wrote:
>> --
>> Stamp Holdings
>> --
> CoE: Madrid has an ais523 stamp.
>
> --
> ais523
>

Accepted.

--
nix
Herald

BUS: Re: OFF: [Mad Engineer] Intent to Invent

[Jason Cobb via agora-business]

On 4/10/22 08:00, ais523 via agora-official wrote:
> The Device is on.
>
> I intend, with Agoran Consent, to cause rule 2655 to amend the rule
> "The Device" by appending the following as a list item to the "When the
> device is on:" list:
> {{{
>When a Device wins an election, e is installed into the associated
>office and the election ends.
> }}}
> [Going with something of my own this week. I can't think of a way that
> a Device could win an election yet, but getting the Device to hold an
> office seems like an interesting long-term project.]
>

This is experiment 31.

I support.

-- 
Jason Cobb

Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason

Re: BUS: (@Notary) Acquiring a Serf

[Madrid via agora-business]

I leave all Contracts which have me as Serf.

I then join this contract called "Stamp Servitude"

On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 2:41 AM secretsnail9 via agora-business <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> I create, consent to, and join the following Contract called "Stamp
> Servitude":
> {
> Madrid and Secretsnail can join and leave this contract by announcement.
> While both are members
> of this contract, Madrid is the Serf, and Secretsnail is the Noble.
>
> The Noble CAN Mint a Stamp. The Serf CAN Mint a Stamp, but only up to as
> many times as the Noble has Minted Stamps, divided by 3, rounded down;
> unless the Noble consents to otherwise. When the Noble Mints a Stamp, the
> Other is the Serf. When the Serf Mints a Stamp, the Other is the Noble.
>
> To Mint a Stamp is to perform the following sequence of actions:
> - Transfer 3 Boatloads of Coins from yourself to the Other.
> - Act on behalf of the Other to have the Other pay 3 Boatloads of Coins to
> create 1 Stamp of the Other's Type.
> - Act on behalf of the Other to have the Other transfer 1 Stamp of the
> Other's Type to yourself.
>
> The Serf SHALL NOT transfer Stamps of the Noble's Type to any other entity,
> unless the Noble consents to it.
>
> The Serf CAN act on behalf of the Noble to cast a vote of FOR onto a
> Proposal which, if successful, will cause the Serf to win the game. The
> Noble SHALL NOT change eir vote if eir vote has been cast in this way.
>
> Parties CANNOT and SHALL NOT scam this contract. If they somehow manage to
> do so despite it being impossible, it is the class 2 crime of breaking
> reality.
> }
> --
> secretsnail
>

BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8657-8664

[Aspen via agora-business]

On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 8:20 PM Jason Cobb via agora-official
 wrote:
>
> On 4/2/22 23:04, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote:
>
> > PROPOSAL 8663 (The Hexeract)
> > AUTHOR: Secretsnail9
> > CLASS: ORDINARY
> > FOR (1): juan
[...]
>
>
> CoE: juan's vote should have resolved to AGAINST.
>
> Accepted. Revision:
>
> PROPOSAL 8663 (The Hexeract)
> AUTHOR: Secretsnail9
> CLASS: ORDINARY
> FOR (0):
> AGAINST (7): Aspen, G., Jason*, Murphy, Secretsnail9@, ais523, nix@
> PRESENT (1): juan
> BALLOTS: 8
> AI (F/A): 0/24 (AI=1.0)
> POPULARITY: -0.875
> OUTCOME: REJECTED
> [
> Murphy: Endorsement of Secretsnail9
> juan: Conditional resolved: A majority of other votes were not FOR
> ]

I do not believe this is sufficient. Per Rule 208(4), a correct tally
of valid ballots must be provided for your resolution to be EFFECTIVE.
Thus, the first attempted resolution failed. Your CoE prevented that
(incorrect) resolution from ratifying. However, your second attempted
resolution did not clearly state that you were resolving the proposal,
and could not have met the by announcement standard of Rule 208. Thus,
I do not believe any resolution of this proposal has taken effect.

-Aspen

(@Treasuror) BUS: Half a trade

[ais523 via agora-business]

I transfer 4000 coins to G..

-- 
ais523

BUS: (@Collector) Re: OFF: [Collector] Stamp Report 29 (Apr 9th 2022)

[ais523 via agora-business]

On Sat, 2022-04-09 at 23:50 +, nix via agora-official wrote:
> --
> Stamp Holdings
> --

CoE: Madrid has an ais523 stamp.

-- 
ais523

BUS: (@Treasuror) 2 Thanks and a Wealth Stone

[secretsnail9 via agora-business]

I wield the wealth stone.

I Thank myself for the Reportor's report about the week starting on 14 Feb
2022 that I published.

With Agoran Consent (1 support from ais523), I Thank myself for the
Reportor's report about the week starting on 07 Feb 2022 that I published.

I redeem 10 boatloads of coins earned.
--
secretsnail