BUS: humble agoran farmer attempts a stick-up.
Via "An asset generally CAN be transferred (syn. payed, given) by its owner to another entity by announcement", I announce that I transfer all assets to myself. How? Because "by announcement", which is the method; "An asset generally CAN be transferred (syn. payed, given) by its owner to another entity" So by announcement, I can make it so there is a transfer (performed by the owner, apparently, but demanded to be so by me) to another entity, which is me. I create the following Proposal: // Title: humble agoran farmer pokes you with a water gun and makes evil demands Author: Cuddlebeam Cuddlebeam wins the game (via Proposal). Cuddlebeam gains a Black Ribbon. Cuddlebeam gains the Patent title of "evil water gun wielder person thing". Set Pending List Price to 5. Set Agora's Balance amount to be equal to the Supply Level amount. // I pend it with all of my shines. I announce that I transfer all assets to myself. I create the following Proposal: // Title: Proposal Proposal Author: Cuddlebeam This proposal is a proposal. // I pend it with all of my shines. I announce that I transfer all assets to myself. I announce that I destroy all of my assets. The method is the following: We have: "An asset generally CAN be destroyed by its owner by announcement, subject to modification by its backing document." I'm employing that, however: "An indestructible asset is one defined as such by it backing document, and CANNOT be destroyed except by a rule specifically addressing the destruction of indestructible assets." That text itself addresses the destruction of indestructible assets (because it says that they "CANNOT be destroyed except by a rule specifically addressing the destruction of indestructible assets", which is in itself addressing the destruction of indestructible assets.) Ergo, Rule 2166 addresses the destruction of indestructible assets and therefore can be used to destroy indestructible assets, so I can use "An asset generally CAN be destroyed by its owner by announcement, subject to modification by its backing document." to destroy my indestructible assets. In case the above works, I'm guessing the easiest fix would be a Shiny Relevelling event, but if that happens, I'll (attempt to) keep on triggering "The above notwithstanding, if the action depends on objections, and an objection to it has been withdrawn within the past 24 hours, then Agora is not Satisfied with the intent." by just withdrawing the same Objection every 12 hours or so. There's likely some counter to this, IN the case that it actually works at all lol. I've got too many things I want to try out so I'm just winging this. In the case that it actually is stalwart, then, yeah. Vote for it or we won't have proposals for a while, because there is no cash to actually pend anything with (in fact, not voting for it could be criminal, for the same reason that the stick-up itself would be, which is enabling boring gameplay. Although I find stick-ups themselves to be pretty exciting lol).
BUS: humble agoran farmer finds The One
I could proto-CFJ this but I feel like its good enough to merit a normal
CFJ.
I CFJ: "No rule other than rule 2166 can be a backing document."
Arguments:
- CFJ 3532 ("Assets with multiple backing documents can't exist")
- R2166 states "An asset is an entity defined as such by a rule", however,
this is in itself a definition of what an asset is - it is an entity
defined as such by a rule. So R2166 is a backing document.
- Given that "Assets with multiple backing docs can't exist", and R2166
itself is a backing document (applicable to *all* assets), no other backing
document can exist in the ruleset.
BUS: humble agoran farmer gets ribbons and holds auctions
I award myself a White Ribbon (I've been registered for more than 30 days. I registered on the 30th of May). I deputize for the role of Surveyor and put Cagliostro up for Auction. (Arguably, its past the "start of the month".) I award myself a Cyan Ribbon (When a person deputises for an office, that person earns a Cyan Ribbon). I bid 60 shiny on Cagliostro. Then, I deputize for the role of Surveyor again and put all of the other Agora-owned Estates for auction, which are Borduria, Dawsbergen and Erehwon. (If it would be the "start of the month", even if I put an Estate up for auction, "if Agora owns at least one Estate" would still be true, so it would be needed to put up another Estate.) I bid 60 shiny on each of those auctions.
BUS: humble agoran farmer is an optimist
I vote FOR for all Proposals I am eligible to vote for. This is my 24 hour notice for the following Agency between asterisks: ** Name: Cuddlebeam Votes FOR (CVF) Agents: All Persons Powers: Any Agent can have Cuddlebeam vote FOR for a proposal by announcement. ** Things generally either: 1- Fix things. In which case, it's most often a good idea to vote FOR them. 2- Include broken things. In which case, it would be interesting to see what happens because of it. (Perhaps I can even exploit it myself too). And if its too much of a problem, eventually a 1) to fix it will arise anyway. I don't have a good reason to vote AGAINST anything in the current metagame.
BUS: humble agoran farmer holds auctions
The moment is ripe to attempt something like this, because it's Auction time. Let's go: Putting Estates up to Auction is an unregulated action, much like withdrawing. (I don't personally believe this - because I believe all actions in the universe are Regulated - but many others do, so I'm going off that). In case its of doubt, the following states an obligation for the Surveyor to perform, so its not a description of "circumstances under which the action would succeed or fail": "At the start of each month, if Agora owns at least one Estate, the Surveyor shall put one Estate which is owned by Agora up for auction, by announcement. Each auction ends seven days after it begins." Additionally, the state of being in an auction or not is tracked by nobody, so it doesn't infringe "would, as part of its effect, modify information for which some player is required to be a recordkeepor" Therefore: - I put every Estate up for Auction, (even those owned by other players, if possible). - I then bid a million shinies on each of them. - I then bid one shiny on each of them. I have absolutely no defense towards other people bidding more than a million and using my own "scam" to win auctions, which only works versus the "conventional" way of winning them by bidding amounts of cash you actually own. I CFJ: "There is currently more than one auction for Estates" That's all.
Re: Re: BUS: Complete Shiny Economy Overhaul
>I'd really appreciate having this pended before the next proposal pool >(I don't have any shinies). Pending price was 6 shinies, yeah?.Or something. I pay the amount necessary to get this pended. (I should have 14 shinies). Give me the money back or something lol if the proposal fails lol, Nic, but it looks good. I'd FOR.
Re: Re: BUS: Language Trophies
>Also, I miss the time when we mostly spoke Spivak Spivak is useful to too annoying for me to use lol, mostly because I have to stop and think about the pronouns I'm using. I'll keep on using him/she/they as I find most enjoyable, and as a variant of English (one that doesn't have Spivak), and given our broad language acceptance, I believe it should be all acceptable.
Re: Re: BUS: Either way you look at it... [also contains a CFJ ID number assignment]
>2 - I disagree with your conjecture - those CFJ assignments were >reasonable and made the game flow better I agree with that they made the game flow better but I don't see how that supercedes word of law. Our laws are just a bit junk for these kind of cases of making the game flow better - but that doesn't remove that e has violated them. I support PSS's moot. (While inconvenient for the flow gameplay, I find what PSS has exposed to be true.) I also Point a Finger at ais523 for an infraction of "interested players have reasonably equal opportunities to judge". (I wouldn't agree with something as severe as a Pink Slip though, but I feel like there has been an infraction of our (unfortunately obtrusive for this case) laws)
BUS: နှိမ့်ချလယ်သမားတစ်ဦးဘာသာစကားထောင်ချောက်ရေးသားထားပါတယ်
ဤသတင်းစကားကိုတစ်ဦးမိမိဆန္ဒအလျောက်ကိုအီးမေးလ်အကြောင်းပြန်ပေးသူတွေကိုအတိအလင်းဒီမက်ဆေ့ခ်ျ၏ဖန်ဆင်းရှင်အလိုတော်မဆိုလမ်းအတွက်အာမခံဖို့သူတို့ကိုချည်နှောင်ဖို့ဒီသတင်းစကားများ၏ပေးပို့သူဘို့မိမိတို့ခွင့်ပြုချက်ပေးရန်သူတွေကိုဖွဲ့စည်းကြမည်။
Re: BUS: Birthday celebration thread
Today, Agoran Birthday, is. Myself a Magenta Ribbon, I grant.
Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer aka robin hood
Adding a bit to the first bullet: Add to ""A player CANNOT make any pledge that would create NEW PLEDGES for any other person or office, without the other party's explicit consent." the following: "(Or any other "new" abstract item of the kind that can be created from the rules in "Obligations", such as Agencies)"
BUS: humble agoran farmer aka robin hood
I create the following pledge "The player (at the moment of creation of this pledge) with the most Shinies (tiebreaking towards the player with the alphabetically earliest name) shall pay Cuddlebeam 3 shiny within 168 hours since the creation of this pledge." Yes I know "Betterer Pledges" is up. Here's its text and why I think my scam would work: ---*--- Breaking a publicly-made pledge is a cardable offense. If a publicly-made pledge says that the creator of a pledge will do something, without providing a time limit, then e SHALL in a timely manner in order to not break said pledge. A player CANNOT make any pledge that would create new obligations for any other person or office, without the other party's explicit consent. ---*--- Note that I will use multiple possible interpretations here, each endorsing the scam from a different view. I have no objective measure to use to decide which interpretation is betterer. ▪ "Obligations" aren't explicitly defined, but given that "Pledges" are within the Category of "Obligations" in the ruleset, I believe its heavily implied that a "Pledge" is a type of "Obligation": Betterer Pledges says that "A player CANNOT make any pledge that would create new obligations for any other person or office, without the other party's explicit consent.". Which, in the context of this scam can be read as "A player CANNOT make any pledge that would create NEW PLEDGES for any other person or office, without the other party's explicit consent.". Since my pledge isn't creating any new pledges itself, it's not violating that requirement. ▪ On the other hand, it can be taken that people aren't actually _obligated_ to follow pledges in the first place. Breaking pledges in itself isn't a violation of anything formal, it would just be not doing what a non-binding arbitrary string says, and then likely getting a card tossed at you. There is no "obligation" - just a punishment if you don't do it. So, since there is no "obligation" anyone in the pledge I've made, I'm not violating the requirement of that last sentence in Betterer Pledges, so its a valid pledge. ▪ This is a different thing but it says "A PLAYER cannot make (...)", not a "A PERSON cannot make (...)". As far as I know, non-players can still make pledges, and since they can, they're not affected by the restriction. That said, non-players, pls don't screw me with pledges lol. Ty in advance.
Re: Re: BUS: 2CFJs
>I bar Cuddlebeam from both CFJs (this may be invalid depending on the >result of a pending CFJ on a similar bar) I don't mind the barring but this got me thinking: how late after a CFJ has been posted can you post a barring? (Or any sub-action, for that matter) Unlimited? I bar Peter Suber from my earliest CFJ which doesn't have anyone barred yet.
BUS: Re: humble agoran farmer is the officer of everything
I forgot to clarify a thing, sorry. I retract my lastest CFJ of "Cuddlebeam
has earned a Platinum Ribbon" (the one posted in that message before this
one).
Via the Town Fountain Rule ("Any rule may allow special deputisation" as
""Any rule allows special deputisation", depending on your choice of the
meaning of "may") for special deputisation for the Speaker, I award myself
a Platinum Ribbon.
I now CFJ (again) "Cuddlebeam has earned a Platinum Ribbon", I bar nobody.
BUS: humble agoran farmer is the officer of everything
Via the Town Fountain Rule ("Any rule may allow special deputisation" as
""Any rule allows special deputisation", depending on your choice of the
meaning of "may") I award myself a Platinum Ribbon.
I CFJ "Cuddlebeam has earned a Platinum Ribbon", I bar nobody.
Re: BUS: pointless (has this been tried before?)
Hr I pay Agora i (imaginary unit) shinies.
Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer lottery
With an emulation of 2 Agoran Support, I'm going to add to the "rules" of the lottery the following: - Purchasers of a HAFL Ticket must also choose a 5-number string for their ticket, which is that "ticket's number" (which defaults to being 0).
BUS: humble agoran farmer lottery
I pledge to run a lottery and pay the lottery victor(s) according to the
following:
- The Lottery will End at the 30th of June 2017, and I will pay the lottery
victor(s) their winnings in a timely fashion after that date, or during it.
- The Winning Number is the same as the winning number of the daily coupon
ONCE lottery of Spain of the 30th of June 2017 ("sorteo cupón diario de la
ONCE", for example:
https://www.juegosonce.es/resultados-cupon-diario-15-junio-2017)
- People may purchase an "HAFL Ticket" (humble agoran farmer lottery
Ticket) by paying me 1 shiny before the 30th of June (in mainland Spanish
time). The Jackpot then increases by 1 shiny (and it is initially at 1
shinies).
- The person (or persons, in case of ties) with the HAFL Ticket with the
closest number to the Winning Number is (are) the lottery victor(s).
- The victor's winnings shall be the jackpot amount, in shines (or the
jackpot amount equally split among all of them, if there are multiple
victors, with any remainder going to Agora).
- Any commitment I may have with the Lottery ends after I have performed
the payment to the victors (if there are any). If there are no victors
after the 30th of June (or I can't perform any more valid payments to
victors), any commitment I have with Lottery also ends.
- These "rules" for running the Lottery can be changed with 2 Agoran
Support (or an emulation of it).
Running a lottery because why not. Using Pledges to create stuff.
Re: BUS: Cuddlebeam = CuddleBeam?
I retract the CFJ on ""Cuddlebeam" and "CuddleBeam" are both valid ways to write the name of the Player that initiated this CFJ."
BUS: Cuddlebeam = CuddleBeam?
I CFJ the following: ""Cuddlebeam" and "CuddleBeam" are both valid ways to write the name of the Player that initiated this CFJ." If it helps, I wish for Cuddlebeam and CuddleBeam to both be valid ways to write my Player name, and if not, for "Cuddlebeam" to be a nickname for CuddleBeam.
Re: BUS: Mess in CFJ 3509 (attn: Cuddlebeam)
I'm not going to give Judgement on that, because while I am honestly able to give Judgement (and would Judge TRUE, because I agree with Gaelan), I won't engage in tit for tat and cards for cards because I believe it's wrong, even if our Justice system commands me to.
BUS: Re: DIS: Is being required to violate a Rule against the Rules?
It's a very interesting point but I don't think there is any conflict How I see it, is that the rules are bugged and if you're Officer A, you're screwed, no matter what you do. Just faulty rules. So I'd go with that if you don't do the thing in time, you get a card as for breaking R1. If you do it, you get a card, for breaking R2. I don't see how an holistic view somehow invalidates that the Officer should be able to get a card for violating R2, because R1 "saves" them. There is no rule that enables that as far as I know. You could argue that the interpretation rules lets you solve the "contradiction"; but I don't see the contradiction. I see it as (with sloppy propositional logic): If you do p, you're screwed. (p-> you're screwed) If you don't do p, you're screwed (not p-> you're screwed) Ergo anything-> you're screwed So in either p or not p, you're screwed. It's frustrating but its not contradictory at all. For practical reasons, sure, I feel like Officer A shouldn't be screwed over. But the rule are the rules. It can be later proposed to cancel all criminal charges on them (because the rules were just junk and the guy didn't deserve it), we have the power to do any fixes we want a posteriori. Any problem is just temporary.
Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3509 Judgement (Dismissed, insufficient information)
goddamnit I mixed my two CFJs in the rush. I support the Moot.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3509 Judgement (Dismissed, insufficient information)
This is my Judgement on "“Any player may take the office of Rulekeepor with 2 support.” The Pink Slip was issued against you. R2476: "When a Pink Slip is issued, as a penalty, within the next 7 days, any player CAN, with 2 Support, become the holder of one or more of those offices still held by the bad sport." Therefore, the statement (in the current context) is TRUE.
BUS: Judgement on CFJ 3508
This is my Judgement on "“Any player may take the office of Rulekeepor with 2 support.” The Pink Slip was issued against you. R2476: "When a Pink Slip is issued, as a penalty, within the next 7 days, any player CAN, with 2 Support, become the holder of one or more of those offices still held by the bad sport." Therefore, the statement (in the current context) is TRUE.
Re: Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer
>Interesting question: If am still an objector, but my objection has been >withdrawn, can I withdraw my my objection? Arguably, you can paint your objection blue too. Or dress it as Superman. Unregulated actions are weird.
Re: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer
I withdraw grok's objection.
BUS: Re: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer
I hereby declare my intent to award a "humble agoran farmer Badge" to Cuddlebeam, Peter Suber and Steve. Typo, sorry. "A"=/="An".
BUS: humble agoran farmer tries another thing
I CFJ: "All actions are regulated actions, or are not actions". I present the following as evidence: >From R2125: "An action is regulated if: (1) the Rules limit, allow, enable, or permit its performance" "The Rules SHALL NOT be interpreted so as to proscribe unregulated actions." And then: * Excluded Middle: An action is regulated or not regulated (unregulated). * More Excluded Middle + some synonyms: An action is allowed (ie. permitted, not forbidden) or not allowed (ie. not permitted, forbidden) * The Rules do not proscribe unregulated actions (Therefore permitting them. Not proscribe = permit, due to excluded middle) * Therefore, the Rules permit/allow/enable the performance of unregulated actions. * Therefore, unregulated actions are regulated, because the Rules permit or enable or allow them. * Unregulated actions are regulated actions. * Ad absurdum: Unregulated actions do not exist, all actions are regulated (action is syn. to regulated action, non-regulated action is syn. to a something that is not an action). This is relevant to the Agencies, because "The Powers of an Agency must be stated as actions".
Re: BUS: humble Agoran farmer tries a thing
nvm I just realized that I switched "secured" and "regulated" in my head in a weird way, please disregard that attempt/consider it bogus.
BUS: humble Agoran farmer tries a thing
Note: I'm using "unregulated actions" to do stuff since its not proscribed and certain things are not barred from hax because they're not secured. "The Rules SHALL NOT be interpreted so as to proscribe unregulated actions". That said, why isn't absolutely everything secured?. It seems super weird to me that I could do this, but its free, so I'm trying it. I create one Agency per Player except myself (without notice, I just create it as an unregulated action right here), with that Player being that Agency's Head and Director, in alphabetical order according to the player's (English-transliterated) names, according to the following: * Title: Puppetstrings [A] [B] (P [C] [D]) * Agents: Cuddlebeam * Powers: Any action. Where the content in brackets and the brackets themselves are replaced according to the following key: [A]: The first letter of the player's (English-transliterated) name, followed by a hyphen, followed by "Team". For example "A-Team" or "F-Team". [B]: If the player's name is longer than 2 characters, the third letter of the player's (English-transliterated) name, followed by a hyphen, followed by "Team". For example "A-Team" or "F-Team". Otherwise, it's just "Z-Team". [C]: The first letter of [A] [D]: The first letter of [B] -- I via the Agencies I have just created for each Player, each of those Players issue me a Trust Token. I then hereby announce that I have won.
BUS: humble agoran farmer sells perspectivist god hax powers
Using formal mechanics as validation again, but instead of the "Agents" field for validation (only "Aliens" for example), this time I'm going to try it on Powers so that it targets myself. Ready? Ready. Here we go. This is my 24h notice to amend the "Cuddlebeam (heart shape) Novelty" Agency. Add to it another Subagency to the end of the document according to its pre-existing pattern within it with the following between the rows of hyphens: - * Subname: Humble Shoppe #2 Note: Buy perspectivist god hax powers - for cheap! Accept no imitations, this the AUTHENTIC perspectivist god hax powers humble shoppe. * Subagents: All Players * Powers: Any player can make Cuddlebeam perform the action of acquiring, losing or modifying their beliefs (even axiomatic ones, related to Agora's Ruleet) according to a change of this Player's choosing by paying Cuddlebeam 1 shiny and making an announcement on Agora for this purpose, which explicitly has what kind of belief-changes are going to happen because of it. - Does the reality of Agora depend on: - What people just say to be true (in which case, any statement, even dishonest ones, should be taken as true) - What people actually believe (in which case, how can you know for sure about those beliefs if you're not in their brainz, ergo, how can you know for sure about anything on Agora) - What you personally believe other people to be saying in honesty (then there is as many true Agoras as people imagining it to be, because each person is imagining that) - Purely what you personally believe Agora to be, regardless of other people's opinions (then there is as many true Agoras as people imagining it to be again) I SHOULD WRITE BLOODY THESES (and read on philosophy so I can cheat these insights out instead of needing to come up with them myself, as fun as doing the latter that may be) BUT I DONT BECAUSE IM A SILLY BUM.
Re: BUS: [ADoP] Initiating Elections Again (Referee, ADoP, Registrar)
I am largely unfamiliar with the administrative system. So I vote PRESENT on all.
BUS: humble agoran farmer perhaps got too excited and finishes tidying up
I withdraw the CFJ on "If this sentence is true, then Agora is Ossified." I also resolve my intent to revoke all of my Agencies and create "Cuddlebeam ♥️ Utility" (C♥️U) and "Cuddlebeam ♥️ Novelty" (C♥️N) as per CAMPKpNxaBwbcM1pUnBiSAEBXXexvsvjVv=qyho3=xhssx3g...@mail.gmail.com
BUS: humble agoran farmer cooks curry
Getting stuff fixed when I see a potential flaw in it I could use goes against scamming spirit. So, I want to try out a thing because I'm not too familiar with scams on Agora and this works as a test run. I CFJ the following statement: "If this sentence is true, then Agora is Ossified." I present the following as Arguments: * CFJ 3498's Judgement. "Judging this as TRUE would cause Agora to become ossified (proposals are created by announcement, announcements must be unambiguous). Therefore, it is IMPOSSIBLE to judge this CFJ as TRUE. Therefore, I judge as FALSE." * If it were TRUE, Agora would become Ossified, therefore the Judgement should be FALSE. * It is IMPOSSIBLE to judge this CFJ as TRUE, (because its actually undecidable), therefore the Judgement should be FALSE (would you choose to approach through "It is IMPOSSIBLE to judge this CFJ as TRUE->ergo-> I judge as FALSE"). * Therefore, it's FALSE.
Re: BUS: CFJ: Ambiguity
I support this. I'm also pissed. The ability of Agora's system to append a certain value to a certain switch DOES NOT change whether a certain separate reality is factual or not. It's absurdity.
BUS: humble agoran farmer doesn't bribe a judge and then dials 00-JUDGEMENT
I pay 1 Shiny to Quazie, fulfilling, if it was ever valid, my Pledge appended in the "Call for Piñata" CFJ (CFJ 3505). (Because they would be the would-be recipient of my Pledge) -- I CFJ the following statement: "The act of perfoming a '24 hours Notice' is an action." I present the following evidence: * This is relevant to gameplay as it's important for self-referential Powers in Agencies, for example, Big Graffiti Wall (Is granting the power to also make the notice necessary or not?). * Here is Big Grafitti Wall: https://agoranomic.github.io/Superintendent/reports/month/next.txt I bar grok from this case
BUS: Re: DIS: Proto: Agoran Research Funding/Grants/Scholarship/other term
We could even sprinkle in some analysis of the game and then the creation
of a new-comer sort of guide ("Bill Nye"/"Mythbusters"/"other flavor of
informal" style, to better ease in the complexity? Creation of an
introductory pamphlet of a sort of the game perhaps?)
For example:
Agora's is a crazy place you know? And it's a game of nomic, which is a big
reason why it's so awesome.
Join us!
But what the hell is a nomic?
Here's how a nomic goes down: yadda yadda...
---*---
As for the Uni Director/Herald, we could just grant both titles to the
Herald and if it works, keep it,, possibly just merge it back, if not,
change from there.
I'd prefer to actually try both options live, since it doesn't seem
particularly dangerous to do so. It's just pretty mundane tracking and
coordination.
Re: Re: BUS: CFJ 3509 Judgement (Dismissed, insufficient information)
Sorry, I'm still a trainee-Judge of a sort and I wasn't aware of that tradition, so I'll Support that Motion to Reconsider and do a better job and avoid committing that same error again in the future. As for removing myself, I believe I am extremely appropriate for certain flavors of CFJ. I wish there was a way I could be assigned mostly those specifically. More notably, that Ambiguity CFJ, which a lot of people didn't want to deal with and play the DISMISS card on it to dodge the issue when there was perfectly valid, (although quibble-worthy) way to deal with it properly. Although I find myself to be in a minority to be motivated to deal with such offbeat CFJs, which is why I believed myself to be a great addition to the pool, because more CFJs could be dealt with and not DISMISSED whenever it felt uncomfortable or deviant.
RE: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer tends crops
YES! Awesome. I'm super excited to see where this goes. However, I won't immediately raise a CFJ myself because I'm currently using my own limited amount of them as products (with the informal brand of "Super CFJs") for sale (partly for humor, partly for experimentation). I guess I could though, right at the end of the week when my stock of CFJs are about to expire, but until then, I'm not particularly motivated to (BUT I REALLY REALLY REALLY DO WANT TO SEE IT JUDGED THOUGH, BECAUSE HOLY SHIT, THIS IS GOOD INTERESTING STUFF)
BUS: humble agoran farmer reunites with long-lost twins, becomes immortal and sells CFJ slots for only $2.99
I, Cuddlebeam, register for Agora. I, Cuddlebeam, register for Agora. I, Cuddlebeam, register for Agora. I, Cuddlebeam, register for Agora. This is my 24 hour notice for creating the following Agencies: Name: Cuddlebeam's Lich Phylactery (CLP) Agents: Any person Powers: Agents may post a message on Cuddlebeam's behalf with the sole content of "Liches can't die" at any time, provided that such a message has no relevancy nor effect to the game aside from being able to prevent Cuddlebeam from being deregistered by virtue of the content of Rule 869/39 which states the following: "If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection." Name: Humble CFJ Shoppe (HCS) Agents: Any player who assumes full responsibility for all consequences stemmed from their use of the Powers of this Agency. Powers: Agents may submit a CFJ on Cuddlebeam's behalf if they fulfill the following conditions: * They pay Cuddlebeam at least 3 shiny in the same message as the CFJ they're summoning via these Powers.
BUS: humble agoran farmer tends crops
*bites wheat* "I'll tell ya h'wat, after jus 24 hours, dese here Agencies are a-RIPE'N!" "Hella faster than 'taters." "And essential fur a here good, balanced diet of ur greenies, ur meaties, and ur food fur thought." *chews more wheat* --- By virtue of Rule 2467/1 and as per my previous announcements performed with 24 Hours Notice, I hereby establish the following Agencies with myself, Cuddlebeam, as their Director: Title: Big Grafitti Wall (BGW) Agents: All Players Powers: Any Agent may add additional characters to the text content of the Powers of this agency as long as such changes keep these Powers functionally synonymous to the Powers that this agency had at its creation. Cuddlebeam was here. Title: Alien Contact Program (ACP) Agents: All persons which are native to a planet which isn't Earth.(Individuals of this set are also known as "Aliens" for the purpose of this document) Powers: At any moment, an Alien may post a message on Cuddlebeam's behalf with the content of "Hello, I am an alien and I am making contact" along any additional information such an Alien considers interesting about themselves.
Re: Re: BUS: Ok so maybe everyone in the universe is playing Nomic
Heyo Quazie! I disagree tho I believe it would a Nomic that was fairly meticulous to play, that requires a lot of announcements as part of gameplay, but a Nomic none the less. What do you think?
BUS: my favorite color is relevant
For the purpose of this message, "Cuddlebeam's Big Language" is a language with the following rules: * Cuddlebeam's Big Language is identical to English, with the addition that the Universe is a pictographic special cipher (in itself). This is the Big Cipher. * The Big Cipher, instead of being placed in rows or columns of characters, is instead left to be where the Universe happens to be. This is the correct typographic use of such a cipher. * This special cipher has one meaning. That meaning is that the message this special cipher is part of is in Cuddlebeam's Big Language. Note that perceiving the Universe in its entirety isn't a necessity of the language, just knowing that the Universe, is, well. There. This entire message is in Cuddlebeam's Big Language. (And the Universe is there. I hope.) I submit a CFJ for the following statement: "With a proper choice of what language to employ for an Agoran activity which requires language, any content in the Universe (which is sufficiently accessible to the intended audience of the use of such language) can be made relevant to Agora." I present the following argument as caller's evidence: * Agora doesn't favor any particular language, provided that the recipient can understand it. * Nomic involves the communication of actions, and language is a necessity of communication, so concerns of language are relevant (and the rules of such languages). * I have an amount of freedom in choosing what language I want to use. * There is no explicit reason to heavily favor more historically established languages than others. * Therefore, my arbitrarily chosen (but explained) language is usable in Agora. * Cuddlebeam's Big Language. * Knowledge of if the Universe exists or not is a necessity to be able to correctly interpret and understand Cuddlebeam's Big Language (otherwise you don't know if the cipher is there or not, and you wouldn't be able to understand the full meaning of the message). * I could've placed any arbitrary sufficiently-accessible content as the Big Cipher instead, thus making it relevant to the language, thus making it relevant to communication (would I use that language), thus making it relevant to a communicated game action (in that language), this making it relevant to Agoran gameplay which is built on communication itself. * If the Big Cipher's meaning of "the message this special cipher is part of is in Cuddlebeam's Big Language" isn't deemed sufficiently impactful, it can be arbitrarily made more impactful.
BUS: hire me bill gates
I establish the following Agency: (This is my 24 hours notice) Title: Cuddlebeam's Computer Emulation (CCE) Agents: All Players Powers: For the purpose of this document, there exists the following entities: * The Screen * Pixels * The Keyboard * Keys * The Clock * The Cartridge * The Supplements A cell in a grid can be a Pixel. Pixels have a color value, which can be any color and defaults to pure black. The Screen is a 320 x 200 Cartesian grid of Pixels. The Keyboard is formed by an amount of Keys. Keys have a name (which is also their symbol). These Keys (stated by their names) are: a, b, c, d , e, f, g, h, i, j, k, l, m, n, o, p, q, r, s, t, u, v, w, x, y, z, ⬇️, ➡️, ⬅️, ⬆️ and RESET. For the purpose of this document, "Pressing [X] Key", where [X] is the name of a certain key, exists. The Keyboard has one of each of those Keys. The Clock is a variable that can hold an integer value. This defaults to 0. The Cartridge is a one-item list of entities, and these entities can be the name of an Agency, or none. The following is the Cartridge: none The text content between this sentence and the next one which contains "Cartridge content ends here" is to be considered to be read as the Powers text content of the Agency the Cartridge is naming, if there is any. HELLO MY FRIENDS. "Cartridge content ends here". The Supplements are a list of entities, and these entities can be the name of an Agency, or none. The following is the Supplements: none The text content between this sentence and the next one which contains "Supplement content ends here" is to be considered to be read as the Powers text content of the Agencies the Supplements are naming, stated in the order that they appear above, if there are any. HELLO MY FRIENDS. "Supplement content ends here". --- And hopefully with this, I'd just need cartridge-Agencies with program "code" (possibly with Supplements to help them keep going). Then I could perhaps upload some games and perhaps play Super Mario or Doom inside Agoran formal space! (Although really, really slooowlll)
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7853-7857
I vote FOR proposals 7853, 7854, 7855, 7856, and 7857. (Sorry for the other message)
BUS: Ok so maybe everyone in the universe is playing Nomic
I establish the following Agency: (This is my 24 hours notice) Title: Everyone is Playing Nomic (EPN) Agents: All persons Powers: The content in this Powers section below the BIG LINE can be modified at will by any Agent by announcing this intent, as long as they comply to the rules written below the BIG LINE. All content below the BIG LINE have no formal powers aside from restricting what Agents may edit into it. The next 54 characters that appear after the colon in this sentence is the BIG LINE: --HELLO MY FRIENDS I AM THE BIG LINE-- Nobody can make modifications to this document which would prevent any subset of all possible modifications to be able to be made nor remove this sentence.
BUS: CFJ: Difficult for who?
I submit a Call for Judgement for the following statement: "In Rule 2467/1, there exists text content which is "(...) or that depends on information that is impossible or unreasonably difficult to determine(...)". Whether if such a task of information determination is "unreasonably difficult" or not lies in what the person who would be beared with such a task considers it to be." I present the following argument as caller's evidence: * An example of what a task of information-determination could be is determining what three hundred divided by nine is. * Newborn children are persons and eligible to become players of Agora, and therefore Agency creators and users, however for them, determining what three hundred divided by nine would be could be for them "unreasonably difficult". However, for several adults, it would be pretty simple. * Such a situation illustrated above is relativistic in nature, relying on the person who would perform the information-determining task. Therefore I believe that the determination of what is "unreasonably difficult", in the context of the rule referenced in the statement, is necessarily relativistic too. * This issue is relevant to gameplay because Agency-creation is part of the game.
Re: Re: BUS: CFJ: Ambiguity
Yes! I am interested in being part of the Judge rotation.
Re: BUS: CFJ: Ambiguity
I submit the following evidence and recommend not TRUE: If "Every statement is ambiguous." is true, then that statement itself is ambiguous too, and therefore there would be insufficient information to determine what it is. So the appropriate judgement would be DISMISSED, even if the statement were true. (Ignoring epistemological mojo related to the Ruleset being actually interpretable in such a case and the nature of this group reverie that is Agora) (Also I posted it into the wrong mailing list the first time, sorry. Also fixed it a bit.)
Re: BUS: CFJ: Ambiguity
I express extreme interest in seeing this CFJ be judged. I also declare that I would like to judge this CFJ if no other volunteers for such a task are readily available at the time that a Judge would be assigned. Cuddlebeam On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Quazie <quazieno...@gmail.com> wrote: > I explicitly ask to not judge this CFJ > > On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 12:06 Josh T <draconicdarkn...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I submit a Call for Judgement for the following statement: >> >> "Every statement is ambiguous." >> >> I present the following argument as caller's evidence: >> * Every statement is written in one language. >> * Translation between any two languages is inherently ambiguous. >> * Therefore, every statement is ambiguous at least in every language >> the statement was not originally written in. >> * Agora does not formally make preference to any one language, and >> recognizes differences in dialect (CFJ 1439). >> * Thus, every statement is ambiguous. >> >> 天火狐 >> >
BUS: Adjusting the Satellite dishes
(Thank you for the pointer Gaelan.) - I establish the following Agency: (This is my 24 hours notice) Title: Alien Contact Program (ACP) Agents: All persons which are native to a planet which isn't Earth.(Individuals of this set are also known as "Aliens" for the purpose of this document) Powers: At any moment, an Alien may post a message on Cuddlebeam's behalf with the content of "Hello, I am an alien and I am making contact" along any additional information such an Alien considers interesting about themselves.
BUS: Big Grafitti Wall
I establish the following Agency: (This is my 24 hours notice) Title: Big Grafitti Wall (BGW) Agents: All Players Powers: Any Agent may add additional characters to the text content of the Powers of this agency as long as such changes keep these Powers functionally synonymous to the Powers that this agency had at its creation. Cuddlebeam was here.
BUS: Alien Contact Program
I establish the following Agency: (This is my 24 hours notice) Title: Alien Contact Program (AFE) Agents: All persons which aren't a species from Earth. Powers: Agents may post a message on Cuddlebeam's behalf with the sole content of "E.T. phone home *shiny finger*".
BUS: CFJ: Call for Piñata
Employing the power of Rule 991/17, I submit a Call for Judgement for the following statement: "Can this statement have a Judge?" I also opt to bar one person from such procedure. That person is the person who would successfully become the first Judge of the Call for Judgement submitted by this message. I pledge to grant one Shiny (if I have at least one and I am capable of such a transfer) to the Judge of the CFJ summoned via the content above as long as rules relevant to CFJs haven't changed since I have announced this pledge and the barring attempt above had barred someone. (I dunno, could be fun lol, and I'm very curious about how this might turn out.)
BUS: I Register
I, Cuddlebeam, declare my intent to register as a Player for Agora. If I already haven't, I then pledge to pay 1 Shiny (when I eventually have at least one) to Nic Evans if they tell me what's the COOLEST thing that has happened to them in Agora. (Me registering after making that Pledge-attempt might make it a not-Pledge so doing dis JUST IN CASE MANE)
Re: Re: BUS: Hello I am Cuddlebeam!
Hello Nic! Well I love Nomic lol. I play a lot of BlogNomic and I'd like to try out other flavors of Nomic. Agora has it's appeal in that it's non-dynastic and I'd like to try that out. Also, I really really like watching (and doing) fun scams because they're like cool fireworks of words and meaning. There seems to be a a good amount of that going on right now, so that makes it extra appealing to join. I pledge to pay 1 Shiny (when I eventually have at least one) to Nic Evans if they tell me what's the COOLEST thing that has happened to them in Agora (so far).
BUS: Hello I am Cuddlebeam!
Hello I am Cuddlebeam! I hope this message goes through lol.
