Re: BUS: Bribery [attn. Tailor]
On 7/26/20 8:46 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business wrote: > On 7/26/20 8:38 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: >> I pledge to pay the Tailor 20 coins in a timely fashion if e awards me a >> Gray ribbon within the next 12 hours. >> > I award a Gray ribbon to Jason. With accepting a bribe from R. Lee, I > established a pattern of this, which I feel obligated to continue. Jason > has privately described to me how e plans to use it as part of the > legitimate ribbon game and assured me that there is no scam, so I have > no serious ethical qualms about it given that Agoran officers are > permitted to accept limited bribes. > I pay PSS 20 coins. -- Jason Cobb
Re: BUS: Bribery [attn. Tailor]
On 7/26/20 8:38 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > I pledge to pay the Tailor 20 coins in a timely fashion if e awards me a > Gray ribbon within the next 12 hours. > I award a Gray ribbon to Jason. With accepting a bribe from R. Lee, I established a pattern of this, which I feel obligated to continue. Jason has privately described to me how e plans to use it as part of the legitimate ribbon game and assured me that there is no scam, so I have no serious ethical qualms about it given that Agoran officers are permitted to accept limited bribes. -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
BUS: Bribery [attn. Tailor]
I pledge to pay the Tailor 20 coins in a timely fashion if e awards me a Gray ribbon within the next 12 hours. -- Jason Cobb
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bribery (attn. Tailor)
If I CAN do so, I award myself a Transparent ribbon.
* I earned a Red ribbon for proposals earlier this week (8182/8186/8187).
* I earned an Orange ribbon for proposals earlier this week (8186/8187).
* I earned a Cyan ribbon for deputising for Assessor earlier this week.
* I qualify for a White ribbon because I have never previously owned one.
* (?) I earned a Gray ribbon earlier this week by being awarded one by G.
I transfer 20 Coins to G, fulling my most recent Oath.
I CFJ: "Jason Cobb qualifies for a Transparent ribbon."
Evidence:
Qualifications for 5 types of Ribbon.
* I earned a Red ribbon for proposals earlier this week
(8182/8186/8187).
* I earned an Orange ribbon for proposals earlier this week
(8186/8187).
* I earned a Cyan ribbon for deputising for Assessor earlier this
week.
* I qualify for a White ribbon because I have never previously
owned one.
* (?) I earned a Gray ribbon earlier this week by being awarded
one by G.
Excerpt from Rule 2438 ("Ribbons"):
Gray (A): The Tailor CAN award a Gray Ribbon by announcement,
unless e has done so earlier in the month. E is ENCOURAGED to
award such a Ribbon in the same message in which e publishes eir
monthly report.
Transparent (T): A person qualifies for a Transparent Ribbon while
the number of other types of Ribbon that that person qualifies for
and/or has earned within the previous 7 days is at least 5.
Arguments:
This all comes down to whether or not being awarded a Gray ribbon
counts as a ribbon towards the requirement that "the number of other
types of Ribbon that [I have qualified] for and/or [have] earned
within the previous 7 days is at least 5."
It could possibly be read in under "qualifies" because I have, as
per Rule 2548, "earned that type of Ribbon within the preceding 7
days". I argue that I have earned the Ribbon within the previous 7
days because I came to possess a new Gray Ribbon that I did not
previously possess. If this is true, I have earned/qualified for 5
types in the previous 7 days, as noted before, so I qualify for
Transparent.
I do note that Rule 2438 uses "qualifies" and "earns" somewhat
interchangeably, especially towards the end of the list (see R's
definition vs P's definition), which may muddy the waters somewhat.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bribery (attn. Tailor)
Sounds good! I award Jason Cobb a Gray Ribbon. On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 4:52 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > > Well, we might as well litigate it :). If the Gray ribbon counts, then I > can get Transparent now; if it doesn't count, then it couldn't count in > the future anyway, so I might as well try now. > > I pledge that if G. awards me a Gray ribbon within 2 days, I will, in a > timely fashion, transfer em 20 Coins. > > Jason Cobb
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bribery (attn. Tailor)
Well, we might as well litigate it :). If the Gray ribbon counts, then I can get Transparent now; if it doesn't count, then it couldn't count in the future anyway, so I might as well try now. I pledge that if G. awards me a Gray ribbon within 2 days, I will, in a timely fashion, transfer em 20 Coins. Jason Cobb On 7/10/19 6:46 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Yeah - I'm not sure because it's never been litigated, but it looks like the gray method of being straight-up "awarded" short-circuits the "qualified or earned" part. On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 4:26 PM Jason Cobb wrote: Yeah the reason is Transparent. As for it being act-on-behalf, I wrote it in a bit of a hurry and that's just what I thought of first (and I think it would technically work). I withdraw consent to the contract. Do you think it wouldn't work because I haven't "qualifie[d] and/or [earned]" the Gray Ribbon if you award it to me? Jason Cobb On 7/10/19 6:20 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I mean I can just make the award/exchange or a simpler agreement without act-on-behalf? Not sure if you're trying to time it specifically (doesn't count for Transparent by my reading if that's the reason). On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 8:02 AM Jason Cobb wrote: I create the following contract, and I consent to it: --- 1. This contract's name is "I want a Gray Ribbon". 2. The Tailor and Jason Cobb CAN be parties to this contract. If any other person becomes a party, e immediately ceases to be a party. 3. a. If the Tailor is party to this contract, Jason Cobb CAN once, and only once, act on behalf of the Tailor to award any player a Gray Ribbon. 3. b. After the action described in item 3.a has been performed, if the Tailor is party to this contract, the Tailor CAN once, and only once, act on behalf of Jason Cobb to transfer up to 20 coins to any player. 4. If, at any point in time, both actions described under item 3 have been performed, all parties to this contract cease to be parties to this contract, and this contract destroys itself. --- -- Jason Cobb
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bribery (attn. Tailor)
Yeah the reason is Transparent. As for it being act-on-behalf, I wrote it in a bit of a hurry and that's just what I thought of first (and I think it would technically work). I withdraw consent to the contract. Do you think it wouldn't work because I haven't "qualifie[d] and/or [earned]" the Gray Ribbon if you award it to me? Jason Cobb On 7/10/19 6:20 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I mean I can just make the award/exchange or a simpler agreement without act-on-behalf? Not sure if you're trying to time it specifically (doesn't count for Transparent by my reading if that's the reason). On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 8:02 AM Jason Cobb wrote: I create the following contract, and I consent to it: --- 1. This contract's name is "I want a Gray Ribbon". 2. The Tailor and Jason Cobb CAN be parties to this contract. If any other person becomes a party, e immediately ceases to be a party. 3. a. If the Tailor is party to this contract, Jason Cobb CAN once, and only once, act on behalf of the Tailor to award any player a Gray Ribbon. 3. b. After the action described in item 3.a has been performed, if the Tailor is party to this contract, the Tailor CAN once, and only once, act on behalf of Jason Cobb to transfer up to 20 coins to any player. 4. If, at any point in time, both actions described under item 3 have been performed, all parties to this contract cease to be parties to this contract, and this contract destroys itself. --- -- Jason Cobb
BUS: Bribery (attn. Tailor)
I create the following contract, and I consent to it: --- 1. This contract's name is "I want a Gray Ribbon". 2. The Tailor and Jason Cobb CAN be parties to this contract. If any other person becomes a party, e immediately ceases to be a party. 3. a. If the Tailor is party to this contract, Jason Cobb CAN once, and only once, act on behalf of the Tailor to award any player a Gray Ribbon. 3. b. After the action described in item 3.a has been performed, if the Tailor is party to this contract, the Tailor CAN once, and only once, act on behalf of Jason Cobb to transfer up to 20 coins to any player. 4. If, at any point in time, both actions described under item 3 have been performed, all parties to this contract cease to be parties to this contract, and this contract destroys itself. --- -- Jason Cobb
