BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8090-8093
8090* D Margaux 1.7 Shenanigans For INEFFECTIVE Fines (v2) FOR 8091* Murphy, Oerjan 2.0 Slow your quorum v1.1 FOR 8092* twg 1.0 Yet Another Economics Patch FOR 8093* Aris1.0 Proposal Re-insertion FOR
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8090-8093
I change my vote, and act on behalf of nichdel to change eir vote, to PRESENT on Proposal 8091. I don’t know enough about the quorum rules to feel like I can vote intelligently on that either way. > On Sep 10, 2018, at 10:55 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > I vote change my vote, and act on behalf of Tenaior to change eir vote, to > AGAINST on Proposal 8091. On reflection, it’s more complicated than it > should be. What would people think of quorum = 2/3 of the number of voters > on the last decision? I haven’t figured out the rounding yet, but it’s > simpler and IMO cleaner. > > -Aris > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 9:39 AM Reuben Staley > wrote: > >> I vote PRESENT on 8091 and FOR on all others. >> >> On Sun, Sep 9, 2018, 21:36 Aris Merchant < >> thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran >>> Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal >>> pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the >>> quorum is 4.0, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid >>> options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are >>> conditional votes). >>> >>> ID Author(s) AITitle >>> >> --- >>> 8090* D Margaux 1.7 Shenanigans For INEFFECTIVE Fines (v2) >>> 8091* Murphy, Oerjan 2.0 Slow your quorum v1.1 >>> 8092* twg 1.0 Yet Another Economics Patch >>> 8093* Aris1.0 Proposal Re-insertion >>> >>> >>> The proposal pool is currently empty. >>> >>> >>> Legend: * : Proposal is pending. >>>+ : By publishing this report, I pend the marked proposal. >>> >>> >>> The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below. >>> >>> // >>> ID: 8090 >>> Title: Shenanigans For INEFFECTIVE Fines (v2) >>> Adoption index: 1.7 >>> Author: D Margaux >>> Co-authors: >>> >>> >>> Amend Rule 2478 to replace this text: >>> >>> “or that it would be ILLEGAL to levy a fine for it” >>> >>> >>> with this text: >>> >>> “or that it would be ILLEGAL or INEFFECTIVE to levy a fine for it” >>> >>> // >>> ID: 8091 >>> Title: Slow your quorum v1.1 >>> Adoption index: 2.0 >>> Author: Murphy >>> Co-authors: Oerjan >>> >>> >>> Amend Rule 879 (Quorum) by replacing this text: >>> >>> The quorum that an Agoran Decision gains as it is created can be >>> defined by other rules of power 2 or greater. If no other rule >>> defines the quorum of an Agoran Decision, the quorum for that >>> decision is equal to the number of players who voted on the Agoran >>> Decision to adopt a proposal that had been most recently resolved >>> at the time of that decision's initiation, minus 2. >>> >>> with this text: >>> >>> The quorum that an Agoran Decision gains as it is created can be >>> defined by other rules of power 2 or greater. If no other rule >>> defines the quorum of an Agoran Decision, the quorum for that >>> decision is equal to 2. >>> >>> Create a rule titled "Baseline Quorum" with Power = 2 and this text: >>> >>> Baseline Quorum is a switch, tracked by the Promotor, with values >>> equal to the positive integers and default value 1. When an Agoran >>> Decision is created, it gains quorum equal to Baseline Quorum. >>> >>> Target Quorum is N - 2, where N is the number of players who voted >>> on the most recently resolved Agoran Decision to adopt a proposal. >>> >>> Once per week, the Promotor CAN increase or decrease Baseline >>> Quorum by 1 by announcement, and SHALL do so as follows: >>> >>> a) If Baseline Quorum < Target Quorum, then increase it. >>> >>> b) If Baseline Quorum > Target Quorum, then decrease it. >>> >>> c) If Baseline Quorum = Target Quorum, then announce it. E need >>>not change it that week. >>> >>> Set Baseline Quorum equal to what Target Quorum would have been >>> immediately before the adoption of this proposal, if it had been >>> defined as above. >>> >>> // >>> ID: 8092 >>> Title: Yet Another Economics Patch >>> Adoption index: 1.0 >>> Author: twg >>> Co-authors: >>> >>> >>> Amend rule 2499, "Welcome Packages", by removing the list item >>> "5 incense" and renumbering the other list items appropriately. >>> >>> Destroy all incense. >>> >>> // >>> ID: 8093 >>> Title: Proposal Re-insertion >>> Adoption index: 1.0 >>> Author: Aris >>> Co-authors: >>> >>> >>> Add each proposal that has been resolved as FAILED QUORUM since the >>> beginning >>> of August, 2018, to the proposal pool; then, make each of them pending. >>> >>>
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8090-8093
I vote change my vote, and act on behalf of Tenaior to change eir vote, to AGAINST on Proposal 8091. On reflection, it’s more complicated than it should be. What would people think of quorum = 2/3 of the number of voters on the last decision? I haven’t figured out the rounding yet, but it’s simpler and IMO cleaner. -Aris On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 9:39 AM Reuben Staley wrote: > I vote PRESENT on 8091 and FOR on all others. > > On Sun, Sep 9, 2018, 21:36 Aris Merchant < > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran > > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal > > pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the > > quorum is 4.0, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid > > options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are > > conditional votes). > > > > ID Author(s) AITitle > > > --- > > 8090* D Margaux 1.7 Shenanigans For INEFFECTIVE Fines (v2) > > 8091* Murphy, Oerjan 2.0 Slow your quorum v1.1 > > 8092* twg 1.0 Yet Another Economics Patch > > 8093* Aris1.0 Proposal Re-insertion > > > > > > The proposal pool is currently empty. > > > > > > Legend: * : Proposal is pending. > > + : By publishing this report, I pend the marked proposal. > > > > > > The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below. > > > > // > > ID: 8090 > > Title: Shenanigans For INEFFECTIVE Fines (v2) > > Adoption index: 1.7 > > Author: D Margaux > > Co-authors: > > > > > > Amend Rule 2478 to replace this text: > > > > “or that it would be ILLEGAL to levy a fine for it” > > > > > > with this text: > > > > “or that it would be ILLEGAL or INEFFECTIVE to levy a fine for it” > > > > // > > ID: 8091 > > Title: Slow your quorum v1.1 > > Adoption index: 2.0 > > Author: Murphy > > Co-authors: Oerjan > > > > > > Amend Rule 879 (Quorum) by replacing this text: > > > >The quorum that an Agoran Decision gains as it is created can be > >defined by other rules of power 2 or greater. If no other rule > >defines the quorum of an Agoran Decision, the quorum for that > >decision is equal to the number of players who voted on the Agoran > >Decision to adopt a proposal that had been most recently resolved > >at the time of that decision's initiation, minus 2. > > > > with this text: > > > >The quorum that an Agoran Decision gains as it is created can be > >defined by other rules of power 2 or greater. If no other rule > >defines the quorum of an Agoran Decision, the quorum for that > >decision is equal to 2. > > > > Create a rule titled "Baseline Quorum" with Power = 2 and this text: > > > >Baseline Quorum is a switch, tracked by the Promotor, with values > >equal to the positive integers and default value 1. When an Agoran > >Decision is created, it gains quorum equal to Baseline Quorum. > > > >Target Quorum is N - 2, where N is the number of players who voted > >on the most recently resolved Agoran Decision to adopt a proposal. > > > >Once per week, the Promotor CAN increase or decrease Baseline > >Quorum by 1 by announcement, and SHALL do so as follows: > > > > a) If Baseline Quorum < Target Quorum, then increase it. > > > > b) If Baseline Quorum > Target Quorum, then decrease it. > > > > c) If Baseline Quorum = Target Quorum, then announce it. E need > > not change it that week. > > > > Set Baseline Quorum equal to what Target Quorum would have been > > immediately before the adoption of this proposal, if it had been > > defined as above. > > > > // > > ID: 8092 > > Title: Yet Another Economics Patch > > Adoption index: 1.0 > > Author: twg > > Co-authors: > > > > > > Amend rule 2499, "Welcome Packages", by removing the list item > > "5 incense" and renumbering the other list items appropriately. > > > > Destroy all incense. > > > > // > > ID: 8093 > > Title: Proposal Re-insertion > > Adoption index: 1.0 > > Author: Aris > > Co-authors: > > > > > > Add each proposal that has been resolved as FAILED QUORUM since the > > beginning > > of August, 2018, to the proposal pool; then, make each of them pending. > > > > // > > >
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8090-8093
I vote PRESENT on 8091 and FOR on all others. On Sun, Sep 9, 2018, 21:36 Aris Merchant wrote: > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal > pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the > quorum is 4.0, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid > options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are > conditional votes). > > ID Author(s) AITitle > --- > 8090* D Margaux 1.7 Shenanigans For INEFFECTIVE Fines (v2) > 8091* Murphy, Oerjan 2.0 Slow your quorum v1.1 > 8092* twg 1.0 Yet Another Economics Patch > 8093* Aris1.0 Proposal Re-insertion > > > The proposal pool is currently empty. > > > Legend: * : Proposal is pending. > + : By publishing this report, I pend the marked proposal. > > > The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below. > > // > ID: 8090 > Title: Shenanigans For INEFFECTIVE Fines (v2) > Adoption index: 1.7 > Author: D Margaux > Co-authors: > > > Amend Rule 2478 to replace this text: > > “or that it would be ILLEGAL to levy a fine for it” > > > with this text: > > “or that it would be ILLEGAL or INEFFECTIVE to levy a fine for it” > > // > ID: 8091 > Title: Slow your quorum v1.1 > Adoption index: 2.0 > Author: Murphy > Co-authors: Oerjan > > > Amend Rule 879 (Quorum) by replacing this text: > >The quorum that an Agoran Decision gains as it is created can be >defined by other rules of power 2 or greater. If no other rule >defines the quorum of an Agoran Decision, the quorum for that >decision is equal to the number of players who voted on the Agoran >Decision to adopt a proposal that had been most recently resolved >at the time of that decision's initiation, minus 2. > > with this text: > >The quorum that an Agoran Decision gains as it is created can be >defined by other rules of power 2 or greater. If no other rule >defines the quorum of an Agoran Decision, the quorum for that >decision is equal to 2. > > Create a rule titled "Baseline Quorum" with Power = 2 and this text: > >Baseline Quorum is a switch, tracked by the Promotor, with values >equal to the positive integers and default value 1. When an Agoran >Decision is created, it gains quorum equal to Baseline Quorum. > >Target Quorum is N - 2, where N is the number of players who voted >on the most recently resolved Agoran Decision to adopt a proposal. > >Once per week, the Promotor CAN increase or decrease Baseline >Quorum by 1 by announcement, and SHALL do so as follows: > > a) If Baseline Quorum < Target Quorum, then increase it. > > b) If Baseline Quorum > Target Quorum, then decrease it. > > c) If Baseline Quorum = Target Quorum, then announce it. E need > not change it that week. > > Set Baseline Quorum equal to what Target Quorum would have been > immediately before the adoption of this proposal, if it had been > defined as above. > > // > ID: 8092 > Title: Yet Another Economics Patch > Adoption index: 1.0 > Author: twg > Co-authors: > > > Amend rule 2499, "Welcome Packages", by removing the list item > "5 incense" and renumbering the other list items appropriately. > > Destroy all incense. > > // > ID: 8093 > Title: Proposal Re-insertion > Adoption index: 1.0 > Author: Aris > Co-authors: > > > Add each proposal that has been resolved as FAILED QUORUM since the > beginning > of August, 2018, to the proposal pool; then, make each of them pending. > > // >
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8090-8093
I vote and cause nichdel to vote as follows: > 8090* D Margaux 1.7 Shenanigans For INEFFECTIVE Fines (v2) FOR > 8091* Murphy, Oerjan 2.0 Slow your quorum v1.1 FOR > 8092* twg 1.0 Yet Another Economics Patch AGAINST. > 8093* Aris 1.0 Proposal Re-insertion FOR On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 8:20 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > I vote, and act on behalf of Gaelan to vote: > > > 8090* D Margaux 1.7 Shenanigans For INEFFECTIVE Fines (v2) > FOR > > > 8091* Murphy, Oerjan 2.0 Slow your quorum v1.1 > AGAINST. I like the current quorum rules - they worked as intended > when not-too-many people were around this past month - and don't see > the value-added in this complicated thing. > > > 8092* twg 1.0 Yet Another Economics Patch > FOR. > > > 8093* Aris1.0 Proposal Re-insertion > AGAINST. For goodness sake get over it and just put new proposal > copies in. > > > >
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8090-8093
I vote, and act on behalf of Gaelan to vote: > 8090* D Margaux 1.7 Shenanigans For INEFFECTIVE Fines (v2) FOR > 8091* Murphy, Oerjan 2.0 Slow your quorum v1.1 AGAINST. I like the current quorum rules - they worked as intended when not-too-many people were around this past month - and don't see the value-added in this complicated thing. > 8092* twg 1.0 Yet Another Economics Patch FOR. > 8093* Aris1.0 Proposal Re-insertion AGAINST. For goodness sake get over it and just put new proposal copies in.
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8090-8093
I vote FOR each listed proposal, and act on behalf of behalf of Tenaior to do the same. -Aris -Aris On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 9:43 PM Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > I vote FOR each listed proposal and I act on behalf of Kenyon to vote FOR > each listed proposal. > > -twg > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Monday, 10 September 2018 03:36, Aris Merchant < > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran > > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal > > pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the > > quorum is 4.0, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid > > options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are > > conditional votes). > > > > ID Author(s) AI Title > > > > > > > > > 8090* D Margaux 1.7 Shenanigans For INEFFECTIVE Fines (v2) > > 8091* Murphy, Oerjan 2.0 Slow your quorum v1.1 > > 8092* twg 1.0 Yet Another Economics Patch > > 8093* Aris 1.0 Proposal Re-insertion > > > > The proposal pool is currently empty. > > > > Legend: * : Proposal is pending. > > > > + : By publishing this report, I pend the marked proposal. > > > > > > The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below. > > > > // > > ID: 8090 > > Title: Shenanigans For INEFFECTIVE Fines (v2) > > Adoption index: 1.7 > > Author: D Margaux > > Co-authors: > > > > Amend Rule 2478 to replace this text: > > > > “or that it would be ILLEGAL to levy a fine for it” > > > > with this text: > > > > “or that it would be ILLEGAL or INEFFECTIVE to levy a fine for it” > > > > // > > ID: 8091 > > Title: Slow your quorum v1.1 > > Adoption index: 2.0 > > Author: Murphy > > Co-authors: Oerjan > > > > Amend Rule 879 (Quorum) by replacing this text: > > > > The quorum that an Agoran Decision gains as it is created can be > > defined by other rules of power 2 or greater. If no other rule > > defines the quorum of an Agoran Decision, the quorum for that > > decision is equal to the number of players who voted on the Agoran > > Decision to adopt a proposal that had been most recently resolved > > at the time of that decision's initiation, minus 2. > > > > with this text: > > > > The quorum that an Agoran Decision gains as it is created can be > > defined by other rules of power 2 or greater. If no other rule > > defines the quorum of an Agoran Decision, the quorum for that > > decision is equal to 2. > > > > Create a rule titled "Baseline Quorum" with Power = 2 and this text: > > > > Baseline Quorum is a switch, tracked by the Promotor, with values > > equal to the positive integers and default value 1. When an Agoran > > Decision is created, it gains quorum equal to Baseline Quorum. > > > > Target Quorum is N - 2, where N is the number of players who voted > > on the most recently resolved Agoran Decision to adopt a proposal. > > > > Once per week, the Promotor CAN increase or decrease Baseline > > Quorum by 1 by announcement, and SHALL do so as follows: > > > > a) If Baseline Quorum < Target Quorum, then increase it. > > > > b) If Baseline Quorum > Target Quorum, then decrease it. > > > > c) If Baseline Quorum = Target Quorum, then announce it. E need > > not change it that week. > > > > Set Baseline Quorum equal to what Target Quorum would have been > > immediately before the adoption of this proposal, if it had been > > defined as above. > > > > // > > ID: 8092 > > Title: Yet Another Economics Patch > > Adoption index: 1.0 > > Author: twg > > Co-authors: > > > > Amend rule 2499, "Welcome Packages", by removing the list item > > "5 incense" and renumbering the other list items appropriately. > > > > Destroy all incense. > > > > // > > ID: 8093 > > Title: Proposal Re-insertion > > Adoption index: 1.0 > > Author: Aris > > Co-authors: > > > > Add each proposal that has been resolved as FAILED QUORUM since the > beginning > > of August, 2018, to the proposal pool; then, make each of them pending. > > > > // > > >
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8090-8093
I vote FOR each listed proposal and I act on behalf of Kenyon to vote FOR each listed proposal. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, 10 September 2018 03:36, Aris Merchant wrote: > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal > pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the > quorum is 4.0, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid > options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are > conditional votes). > > ID Author(s) AI Title > > > > 8090* D Margaux 1.7 Shenanigans For INEFFECTIVE Fines (v2) > 8091* Murphy, Oerjan 2.0 Slow your quorum v1.1 > 8092* twg 1.0 Yet Another Economics Patch > 8093* Aris 1.0 Proposal Re-insertion > > The proposal pool is currently empty. > > Legend: * : Proposal is pending. > > + : By publishing this report, I pend the marked proposal. > > > The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below. > > // > ID: 8090 > Title: Shenanigans For INEFFECTIVE Fines (v2) > Adoption index: 1.7 > Author: D Margaux > Co-authors: > > Amend Rule 2478 to replace this text: > > “or that it would be ILLEGAL to levy a fine for it” > > with this text: > > “or that it would be ILLEGAL or INEFFECTIVE to levy a fine for it” > > // > ID: 8091 > Title: Slow your quorum v1.1 > Adoption index: 2.0 > Author: Murphy > Co-authors: Oerjan > > Amend Rule 879 (Quorum) by replacing this text: > > The quorum that an Agoran Decision gains as it is created can be > defined by other rules of power 2 or greater. If no other rule > defines the quorum of an Agoran Decision, the quorum for that > decision is equal to the number of players who voted on the Agoran > Decision to adopt a proposal that had been most recently resolved > at the time of that decision's initiation, minus 2. > > with this text: > > The quorum that an Agoran Decision gains as it is created can be > defined by other rules of power 2 or greater. If no other rule > defines the quorum of an Agoran Decision, the quorum for that > decision is equal to 2. > > Create a rule titled "Baseline Quorum" with Power = 2 and this text: > > Baseline Quorum is a switch, tracked by the Promotor, with values > equal to the positive integers and default value 1. When an Agoran > Decision is created, it gains quorum equal to Baseline Quorum. > > Target Quorum is N - 2, where N is the number of players who voted > on the most recently resolved Agoran Decision to adopt a proposal. > > Once per week, the Promotor CAN increase or decrease Baseline > Quorum by 1 by announcement, and SHALL do so as follows: > > a) If Baseline Quorum < Target Quorum, then increase it. > > b) If Baseline Quorum > Target Quorum, then decrease it. > > c) If Baseline Quorum = Target Quorum, then announce it. E need > not change it that week. > > Set Baseline Quorum equal to what Target Quorum would have been > immediately before the adoption of this proposal, if it had been > defined as above. > > // > ID: 8092 > Title: Yet Another Economics Patch > Adoption index: 1.0 > Author: twg > Co-authors: > > Amend rule 2499, "Welcome Packages", by removing the list item > "5 incense" and renumbering the other list items appropriately. > > Destroy all incense. > > // > ID: 8093 > Title: Proposal Re-insertion > Adoption index: 1.0 > Author: Aris > Co-authors: > > Add each proposal that has been resolved as FAILED QUORUM since the beginning > of August, 2018, to the proposal pool; then, make each of them pending. > > //
