DIS: Proto Proposal: Hodgepodge

[V.J Rada]

Title: Minor fixes
Author: V.J Rada
AI: 3
In rule 2474, entitled "Green cards",
replace the text
{{When a person is issued a Green Card, they are ENCOURAGED to travel to the
United States.
}}
with
{{When a person is issued a Green Card, e is ENCOURAGED to travel to the
 United States.}}

In rule 1728, entitled "Dependant Actions"
replace the text
{{If the action is to be performed With N Objections, With N Agoran Consent, or
With Notice, if the intent was announced at least 4 days earlier.
}}
with
{{If the action is to be performed Without N Objections, With N Agoran Consent,
or With Notice, if the intent was announced at least 4 days earlier.
}}

In rule 2446 entitled "The Agoran Newspaper"
Append to the second last paragraph, the sentence
{{The Reportor's reports are still subject to the requirements of rule 2143}}
replace the text
{{The Reportor should keep in mind that the goal of eir weekly report
is to create
more informed population.}}
With
{{The Reportor SHALL include at least one piece of information relevant to Agora
in the last week and SHALL write with the goal of creating a more
informed population.}}

In Rule 2426 entitled "Cards"
replace the text
{{A person SHALL NOT issue a Card unless:}}
with
{{A person CANNOT, and SHALL NOT attempt to, issue a Card unless}}
and replace the text
{{Any attempt to issue a Card, or any intent for a dependent action to issue a
Card, is INEFFECTIVE if it does not include the following information:}}
with
{{A player CANNOT, and SHALL NOT attempt to, issue a card or intend for a
dependant action to issue a card unless the issuance or intent includes the
following information}}

-- 
>From V.J Rada

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] Weekly Report

[V.J Rada]

I mean if quazie would initiate the agoran decisions for the elections i
initiated like a month ago...

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Nicholas Evans  wrote:

> This is too funny to fix, for now.
>
> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 10:43 PM, V.J Rada  wrote:
>
>> Title: I can't believe I get paid for this Weekly Times.
>>
>> Reportor notices own position is sinecure, refuses to
>> work---
>>
>
>

DIS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] Weekly Report

[Nicholas Evans]

This is too funny to fix, for now.

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 10:43 PM, V.J Rada  wrote:

> Title: I can't believe I get paid for this Weekly Times.
>
> Reportor notices own position is sinecure, refuses to
> work---
>

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3547 assigned to omd, CFJ 3548 assigned to Murphy

[Alex Smith]

On Mon, 2017-07-31 at 13:30 +1000, V.J Rada wrote:
> Hon Arbitor I think you missed o.'s "statute of limitations" CFJ

Thanks for the reminder.
I'm finding keeping up with Agora really difficult at the moment.

-- 
ais523

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3547 assigned to omd, CFJ 3548 assigned to Murphy

[V.J Rada]

Hon Arbitor I think you missed o.'s "statute of limitations" CFJ

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 11:45 AM, Alex Smith 
wrote:

> On Mon, 2017-07-31 at 10:55 +1000, V.J Rada wrote:
> > I'm dumb whoops.
> >
> > I retract any CFJs that I may have called and pay 2/20ths of the current
> > list price in Shinies (I currently own 50) and call the following CFJs
> > {{I call a CFJ on "The rule change purporting to enact a rule entitled
> Economics
> > Overhaul 2.0 is "wholly void and without effect" under rule 217, which
> prohibits any
> > rule that would "prevent a person from initiating a formal process to
> resolve matters
> > of controversy, in the reasonable expectation that the controversy will
> thereby be
> > resolved"}}
> This is CFJ 3547. I assign it to omd.
>
> > ==Argument==
> >
> > The new rule creates an obligation to pay 1 ap or some amount of shinies
> to pend
> > any CFJ. While we know that a reasonable limit on how many CFJs may be
> called
> > is legal (I think?), we're not sure if stopping anyone bereft of Shinies
> or APs is legal
> > especially if APs and Shinies are also needed to do other game actions.
> > 
> > {{I call a CFJ on "A player that announces intent to perform an action
> without N
> > objections does not need to wait four days before performing it"}}
> This is CFJ 3548. I assign it to Murphy.
>
> > ==Argument==
> >
> > The operable text is "If the action is to be performed *With N
> Objections*, With N
> > Agoran Consent, or With Notice, if the intent was announced at least 4
> days
> > earlier."
> >
> > "With N objections" is meant to say "Without N objections" but there is
> no time
> > period enumerated for performing an action without N objections. I guess
> a time
> > period should be read in as a matter of common law (to stop people from
> ratifying
> > themselves winners instantly) but still.
>
> --
> ais523
> Arbitor
>

DIS: Re: BUS: Payment of Pending List Price for Proposal "Agoraculture v. 2.0"

[Nicholas Evans]

I assume you got the PLP from the current ruleset. This morning a new
economic proposal passed, and it changed the way the price is calculated.
Right now the price is 10 shinies (1/20th of something called the 'Floating
Value'). The online ruleset lags behind rule changes a bit, which can be
confusing for big changes.

I'm not sure if this attempt cost you 5 shinies, but in any case: I
transfer 5 shinies to babelian.

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Ajay Kumar Raja 
wrote:

> I pay Agora 5 shinies to pay the Pending List Price for my proposal
> "Agoraculture v. 2.0" to flip its Imminence switch to "pending".
>

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

Thank you! I missed his reregistration. I only saw the one from May. This 
clears things up.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Jul 30, 2017, at 7:08 PM, Nicholas Evans  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 5:33 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
>  wrote:
> The Weekly Report of July 3 and the Monthly Report of June 30, if not earlier.
> 
> There was no July 3rd report. There was one published [1] on the 2nd, but it 
> didn't ratify because of a CoE [2].
> 
> Also, Grok didn't register again until the 6th [3] so that doesn't matter.
> 
> There was also a report on the 24th [4], but it too didn't ratify [5].
> 
> To be clear 'accepting' a CoE does nothing by itself. If you don't deny or 
> CFJ, you must publish a corrected report (see R2201). The original document 
> won't ratify because it is still 'doubted'.
> 
> [1] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg08118.html
> [2] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg28799.html
> [3] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg28820.html​
> [4] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg28911.html
> [5] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg28918.html
> 
> 
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jul 30, 2017, at 3:27 PM, Nic Evans  wrote:
> >
> > On 07/30/2017 02:22 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> >> I am not sure whether to accept this or not. I accepted a CoE last week, 
> >> but I shouldn’t have because you had been deregistered by ratification, so 
> >> should I accept this?
> >> 
> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >>
> >
> > 1) If the last report had em and it ratified, e got reregistered by 
> > ratification.
> >
> > 2) What ratification deregistered em?
> >
> >
> 
> 



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DIS: Re: BUS: Calling 2 CFJs

[Alex Smith]

On Mon, 2017-07-31 at 10:24 +1000, V.J Rada wrote:
> I hope these are remotely meritorious. I remember some controversy about
> whether the overhaul rule violated 217, I don't agree that it does but I wish 
> to
> put it to rest.
> 
> I call a CFJ on "The rule change purporting to enact a rule entitled Economics
> Overhaul 2.0 is "wholly void and without effect" under rule 217, which 
> prohibits any
> rule that would "prevent a person from initiating a formal process to resolve 
> matters
> of controversy, in the reasonable expectation that the controversy will 
> thereby be
> resolved"

This is basically equivalent to CFJing on "This is a CFJ", because you
didn't pay to file it. As such, it's unclear whether I can assign it or
not.

Perhaps you or someone else should file a CFJ that's unambiguously a
CFJ, to determine whether this one exists? However, if we did so, the
original CFJ would be useless.

-- 
ais523

DIS: Re: BUS: Calling 2 CFJs

[Nicholas Evans]

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 7:24 PM, V.J Rada  wrote:

> I hope these are remotely meritorious. I remember some controversy about
> whether
> the overhaul rule violated 217, I don't agree that it does but I wish to
> put it to rest.
>
> I call a CFJ on "The rule change purporting to enact a rule entitled
> Economics
> Overhaul 2.0 is "wholly void and without effect" under rule 217, which
> prohibits any
> rule that would "prevent a person from initiating a formal process to resolve
> matters
> of controversy, in the reasonable expectation that the controversy will
> thereby be
> resolved"
>
> The new rule creates an obligation to pay 1 ap or some amount of shinies
> to pend
> any CFJ. While we know that a reasonable limit on how many CFJs may be
> called
> is legal (I think?), we're not sure if stopping anyone bereft of Shinies
> or APs is legal
> especially if APs and Shinies are also needed to do other game actions.
>

First, I'd suggest using AP or shinies to call these to ensure they're
successful. Secondly, you're excluding a third option. Any person who is
not a player can call a CFJ. That means that, regardless of how much AP or
how many shinies you have, it's always possible to call a CFJ. There should
be no violation of R217.​



> -
> I call a CFJ on "A player that announces intent to perform an action
> without N
> objections does not need to wait four days before performing it"
>
> The operable text is "If the action is to be performed *With N Objections*,
> With N
> Agoran Consent, or With Notice, if the intent was announced at least 4
> days earlier."
>
> "With N objections" is meant to say "Without N objections" but there is no
> time
> period enumerated for performing an action without N objections. I guess a
> time
> period should be read in as a matter of common law (to stop people from
> ratifying
> themselves winners instantly) but still.
>

DIS: Re: BUS: New Proposal: "Agoraculture v. 2.0"

[V.J Rada]

This is a very good proposal and I like how instead of trying to seperate
"gameplay" and voting actions, it makes voting and all the other things we
already do into flavourful gameplay.

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 9:44 AM, Ajay Kumar Raja 
wrote:

> Proposal Title: Agoraculture v. 2.0
>
> Author: babelian
>
> Adoption Index: 2.0
>
>
> Enact a rule with power 2.0 titled “Agoraculture” with the following text:
>
>
> Estates have a Farm switch with potential values Farmed and Unfarmed,
> defaulting to Unfarmed. If a player that owns an Estate pays 20 shinies to
> Agora in the first two Agoran weeks of an Agoran month expressly for
> flipping the Farm Switch on that Estate, e CAN, by announcement, flip or
> keep the Farm switch at Farmed. An Estate with its Farm switch flipped to
> Farmed shall be known as a Farm. A player who owns a Farm is a Farmer.
>
> Comestibles are a new type of entity than can be used to bolster voting
> strength. A Farmer CAN, by announcement, produce a net number of N
> Comestibles, where N is a non-negative integer less than or equal to 10x,
> where x is the number of Farms the Farmer owns. Comestibles MUST be priced
> from 5 to 10 shinies.  In eir announcement, the player MUST mention the
> number of comestibles of each price produced.  (For example, one such
> announcement could be: “I produce 3 comestibles priced at 5 shinies and 4
> comestibles priced at 7 shinies.”)
>
>
>
> A player with voting strength greater than zero CAN, by announcement,
> purchase as many Comestibles as e wish from a specific Farmer. However,
> Comestibles expire within three Agoran months of their purchase. A player
> CAN, by announcement, use as many non-expired Comestibles e own as e wish
> when e vote on an Agoran Decision.  If the net price of the sacrificed
> Comestibles is from 10N to 10N+9 where N is some positive integer less than
> 5, the player adds N to eir current voting strength, before being rounded
> as necessary. Comestibles MUST only be used once.
>
>
>
> A Farmer CANNOT use eir own Comestibles. When a Comestible expires it is
> no longer counted as belonging to the player who owned it. When a Farmer
> does not sell all of eir Comestibles in an Agoran month, e CANNOT produce
> more Comestibles than he sold in that Agoran month in the next Agoran
> month. Any unsold Comestibles CANNOT be resold in the following Agoran
> month.
>
>
>
> A Farmer MUST pay 20 shinies per Agoran month for each Farm e owns. If e
> does not pay 20 shinies per Agoran month specifically for a Farm in the
> first two Agoran weeks of an Agoran month, that Farm’s Farm switch will be
> set to Unfarmed.
>
>
>
> If an Estate transfers to Agora, a player, or an organization, its Farm
> Switch is set to Unfarmed regardless of its former state.
>
> Enact a Rule with power 2.0 titled “Agoraculturor” with the following
> text:
>
>
> The Agoraculturor is an office that keeps track of all farmers and Farm
> switches. E SHALL publish the Agoracultural Weekly Report (AWR), a weekly
> report of all farmers and the number of farms they own. E SHALL also
> publish a list of all player's Comestibles and their date of purchase. The
> Agoraculturor SHALL also flip all Farm switches when necessary.
>
>
> Let babelian be the Agoraculturor.
>
>
>

DIS: Re: BUS: New Proposal: "Agoraculture v. 2.0"

[Alex Smith]

On Sun, 2017-07-30 at 16:44 -0700, Ajay Kumar Raja wrote:
> Proposal Title: Agoraculture v. 2.0
> 
> Author: babelian
> 
> Adoption Index: 2.0

Something seems to have gone wrong with the formatting here; I can't
visually distinguish the text that's meant to be part of a new rule,
from the instructions for changing the rules.

I normally format things something like this, to be unambiguous:

I submit the following proposal, "…", AI …

Create a rule "…" at power … with the following text:
{{{
…
}}}


The {{{}}} marks make it clear what's being quoted and what's actual
instructions.

-- 
ais523

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

[Nicholas Evans]

I think the duty to publish the report is being filled regardless of if the
report ratifies. However, there is the duty of publishing a correc

On Jul 30, 2017 18:19, "grok (caleb vines)"  wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Nicholas Evans  wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 5:33 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> The Weekly Report of July 3 and the Monthly Report of June 30, if not
> >> earlier.
> >
> >
> > There was no July 3rd report. There was one published [1] on the 2nd,
> but it
> > didn't ratify because of a CoE [2].
> >
> > Also, Grok didn't register again until the 6th [3] so that doesn't
> matter.
> >
> > There was also a report on the 24th [4], but it too didn't ratify [5].
> >
> > To be clear 'accepting' a CoE does nothing by itself. If you don't deny
> or
> > CFJ, you must publish a corrected report (see R2201). The original
> document
> > won't ratify because it is still 'doubted'.
> >
> > [1] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/m
> sg08118.html
> > [2] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/m
> sg28799.html
> > [3] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/m
> sg28820.html
> > [4] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/m
> sg28911.html
> > [5] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/m
> sg28918.html
>
>
> I was about to start the CFJ but this looks pretty good. Thanks for
> saving me the time, heh.
>
> It also tells me that the Registrar's office is available for
> deputisation, because the Registrar has not ratified a report since
> June and has a weekly report as port of eir duties.
>
>
​Since the reports have been published I don't believe you can deputize to
publish them. But there is a SHALL for publishing a correction, and you
could deputize for that if it hasn't been done.​



>
> -grok
>

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

[grok (caleb vines)]

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Nicholas Evans  wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 5:33 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>  wrote:
>>
>> The Weekly Report of July 3 and the Monthly Report of June 30, if not
>> earlier.
>
>
> There was no July 3rd report. There was one published [1] on the 2nd, but it
> didn't ratify because of a CoE [2].
>
> Also, Grok didn't register again until the 6th [3] so that doesn't matter.
>
> There was also a report on the 24th [4], but it too didn't ratify [5].
>
> To be clear 'accepting' a CoE does nothing by itself. If you don't deny or
> CFJ, you must publish a corrected report (see R2201). The original document
> won't ratify because it is still 'doubted'.
>
> [1] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg08118.html
> [2] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg28799.html
> [3] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg28820.html
> [4] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg28911.html
> [5] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg28918.html


I was about to start the CFJ but this looks pretty good. Thanks for
saving me the time, heh.

It also tells me that the Registrar's office is available for
deputisation, because the Registrar has not ratified a report since
June and has a weekly report as port of eir duties.


-grok

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

[Nicholas Evans]

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 5:33 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> The Weekly Report of July 3 and the Monthly Report of June 30, if not
> earlier.
>

There was no July 3rd report. There was one published [1] on the 2nd, but
it didn't ratify because of a CoE [2].

Also, Grok didn't register again until the 6th [3] so that doesn't matter.

There was also a report on the 24th [4], but it too didn't ratify [5].

To be clear 'accepting' a CoE does nothing by itself. If you don't deny or
CFJ, you must publish a corrected report (see R2201). The original document
won't ratify because it is still 'doubted'.

[1] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg08118.html
[2] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg28799.html
[3] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg28820.html
​
[4] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg28911.html
[5] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg28918.html



> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> > On Jul 30, 2017, at 3:27 PM, Nic Evans  wrote:
> >
> > On 07/30/2017 02:22 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> >> I am not sure whether to accept this or not. I accepted a CoE last
> week, but I shouldn’t have because you had been deregistered by
> ratification, so should I accept this?
> >> 
> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >>
> >
> > 1) If the last report had em and it ratified, e got reregistered by
> ratification.
> >
> > 2) What ratification deregistered em?
> >
> >
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

The Weekly Report of July 3 and the Monthly Report of June 30, if not earlier.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Jul 30, 2017, at 3:27 PM, Nic Evans  wrote:
> 
> On 07/30/2017 02:22 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>> I am not sure whether to accept this or not. I accepted a CoE last week, but 
>> I shouldn’t have because you had been deregistered by ratification, so 
>> should I accept this?
>> 
>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> 
> 
> 1) If the last report had em and it ratified, e got reregistered by 
> ratification.
> 
> 2) What ratification deregistered em?
> 
> 



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Re: DIS: A clearer proposal

[Alex Smith]

On Sun, 2017-07-30 at 13:12 -0700, Ajay Kumar Raja wrote:
> I would also like to change my Agora username to babelian, if
> possible. Is there an accepted way to do this?

Your name at Agora is the name that people widely use to refer to you.
If you make it clear what name you'd like people to use, they'll
typically comply with that.

-- 
ais523

DIS: A clearer proposal

[Ajay Kumar Raja]

Hello,

Yesterday I submitted a proposal entitled "Agoraculture", which I've since
removed due to nichdel's helpful comments on how to make it clearer and
more enforcable. I was wondering whether this edited version of that
proposal is more clearly worded and useful. I would be glad of any
comments.

I would also like to change my Agora username to babelian, if possible. Is
there an accepted way to do this?

Proposal Title: Agoraculture v. 2.0

Author: babelian

Adoption Index: 2.0


Enact a rule with power 2.0 titled “Agoraculture” with the following text:


Estates have a Farm switch with potential values Farmed and Unfarmed,
defaulting to Unfarmed. If a player that owns an Estate pays 20 shinies to
Agora in the first two Agoran weeks of an Agoran month expressly for
flipping the Farm Switch on that Estate, e CAN, by announcement, flip or
keep the Farm switch at Farmed. An Estate with its Farm switch flipped to
Farmed shall be known as a Farm. A player who owns a Farm is a Farmer.

Comestibles are a new type of entity than can be used to bolster voting
strength. A Farmer CAN, by announcement, produce a net number of N
Comestibles, where N is a non-negative integer less than or equal to 10x,
where x is the number of Farms the Farmer owns. Comestibles MUST be priced
from 5 to 10 shinies.  In eir announcement, the player MUST mention the
number of comestibles of each price produced.  (For example, one such
announcement could be: “I produce 3 comestibles priced at 5 shinies and 4
comestibles priced at 7 shinies.”)



A player with voting strength greater than zero CAN, by announcement,
purchase as many Comestibles as e wish from a specific Farmer. However,
Comestibles expire within three Agoran months of their purchase. A player
CAN, by announcement, use as many non-expired Comestibles e own as e wish
when e vote on an Agoran Decision.  If the net price of the sacrificed
Comestibles is from 10N to 10N+9 where N is some positive integer less than
5, the player adds N to eir current voting strength, before being rounded
as necessary. Comestibles MUST only be used once.



A Farmer CANNOT use eir own Comestibles. When a Comestible expires it is no
longer counted as belonging to the player who owned it. When a Farmer does
not sell all of eir Comestibles in an Agoran month, e CANNOT produce more
Comestibles than he sold in that Agoran month in the next Agoran month. Any
unsold Comestibles CANNOT be resold in the following Agoran month.



A Farmer MUST pay 20 shinies per Agoran month for each Farm e owns. If e
does not pay 20 shinies per Agoran month specifically for a Farm in the
first two Agoran weeks of an Agoran month, that Farm’s Farm switch will be
set to Unfarmed.



If an Estate transfers to Agora, a player, or an organization, its Farm
Switch is set to Unfarmed regardless of its former state.

Enact a Rule with power 2.0 titled “Agoraculturor” with the following text:


The Agoraculturor is an office that keeps track of all farmers and Farm
switches. E SHALL publish the Agoracultural Weekly Report (AWR), a weekly
report of all farmers and the number of farms they own. E SHALL also
publish a list of all player's Comestibles and their date of purchase. The
Agoraculturor SHALL also flip all Farm switches when necessary.


Let babelian be the Agoraculturor.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

[grok (caleb vines)]

If you accepted last week, I'm a player by ratification. Also considering
you've accepted other changes to the game state I've caused in your other
reports for this week, I believe I have sufficient evidence to win the CFJ.


-grok


On Jul 30, 2017 2:22 PM, "Publius Scribonius Scholasticus" <
p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:

I am not sure whether to accept this or not. I accepted a CoE last week,
but I shouldn’t have because you had been deregistered by ratification, so
should I accept this?

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Jul 30, 2017, at 3:18 PM, grok (caleb vines) 
wrote:
>
> CoE grok is a player
>
> On Jul 30, 2017 9:39 AM, "Publius Scribonius Scholasticus" <
p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> 
>Registrar's Weekly Report
> 
>
> (all times UTC)
>
> Date of last report: 23 Jul 2017
> Date of this report: 30 Jul 2017
>
> Recent events:
>
>
> Players (17) (Rule 869, self-ratifying)
>
> Player   Contact
 Registered
> --   ---
 --
> ais523   callforjudgement at yahoo.co.uk [1] 20 Mar 11
> Aris thoughtsoflifeandlight17 at gmail.com   13 Sep 16
> Murphy   emurphy42 at zoho.com   27 Oct 07
> oowen at grimoire.ca 12 Jul 16
> Sprocklemsprocklem at gmail.com  19 Oct 13
> 天火狐draconicdarkness at gmail.com   06 Nov 16
> Zachary Watterson [2]tannerswett at gmail.com26 Mar 17
> Quazie   quazienomic at gmail.com15 Apr 17
> P. Scholasticus [3]  pscriboniusscholasticus at gmail.com[4] 16 Apr 17
> tmanthe2nd   trstnbrdwg0 at gmail.com13 May 17
> Gaelan   gbs at canishe.com  15 May 17
> Ienpw IIIjames.m.beirne at gmail.com 21 May 17
> Veggiekeks   martinjroensch at gmail.com 25 May 17
> omd  comexk at gmail.com [5] 03 Feb 11
> V.J. Radavijarada at gmail.com   07 Jun 17
> Bayushi  thelas.staloras at gmail.com29 Jun 17
> nichdel  nichdel at gmail.com29 Jun 17
>
> [1] also ais523 at alumni.bham.ac.uk
> [2] also known as Gumball
> [3] In full, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> [4] officially, but technically equivalent p.scribonius.scholasticus at
googlemail.com
> [5] officially, but technically equivalent c.ome.xk at gmail.com
>
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Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

[Nic Evans]

On 07/30/2017 02:22 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:

I am not sure whether to accept this or not. I accepted a CoE last week, but I 
shouldn’t have because you had been deregistered by ratification, so should I 
accept this?

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



1) If the last report had em and it ratified, e got reregistered by 
ratification.


2) What ratification deregistered em?

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I am not sure whether to accept this or not. I accepted a CoE last week, but I 
shouldn’t have because you had been deregistered by ratification, so should I 
accept this?

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Jul 30, 2017, at 3:18 PM, grok (caleb vines)  wrote:
> 
> CoE grok is a player
> 
> On Jul 30, 2017 9:39 AM, "Publius Scribonius Scholasticus" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>Registrar's Weekly Report
> 
> 
> (all times UTC)
> 
> Date of last report: 23 Jul 2017
> Date of this report: 30 Jul 2017
> 
> Recent events:
> 
> 
> Players (17) (Rule 869, self-ratifying)
> 
> Player   Contact Registered
> --   --- --
> ais523   callforjudgement at yahoo.co.uk [1] 20 Mar 11
> Aris thoughtsoflifeandlight17 at gmail.com   13 Sep 16
> Murphy   emurphy42 at zoho.com   27 Oct 07
> oowen at grimoire.ca 12 Jul 16
> Sprocklemsprocklem at gmail.com  19 Oct 13
> 天火狐draconicdarkness at gmail.com   06 Nov 16
> Zachary Watterson [2]tannerswett at gmail.com26 Mar 17
> Quazie   quazienomic at gmail.com15 Apr 17
> P. Scholasticus [3]  pscriboniusscholasticus at gmail.com[4] 16 Apr 17
> tmanthe2nd   trstnbrdwg0 at gmail.com13 May 17
> Gaelan   gbs at canishe.com  15 May 17
> Ienpw IIIjames.m.beirne at gmail.com 21 May 17
> Veggiekeks   martinjroensch at gmail.com 25 May 17
> omd  comexk at gmail.com [5] 03 Feb 11
> V.J. Radavijarada at gmail.com   07 Jun 17
> Bayushi  thelas.staloras at gmail.com29 Jun 17
> nichdel  nichdel at gmail.com29 Jun 17
> 
> [1] also ais523 at alumni.bham.ac.uk
> [2] also known as Gumball
> [3] In full, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> [4] officially, but technically equivalent p.scribonius.scholasticus at 
> googlemail.com
> [5] officially, but technically equivalent c.ome.xk at gmail.com
> 
> Fora (Rule 478, self-ratifying)
> 
> Type Location  Typical use
>   ---
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> Public   agora-business at agoranomic.org  other business
> Discussion   agora-discussion at agoranomic.orgdiscussion
> Discussion   irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/##nomic   discussion
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> nickname you like.
> 
> Other rules pertaining to this office
> -
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> Rule 1789 (Cantus Cygneus)
> 
> Watchers (4)
> 
> The list of Watchers is not governed by the rules, but is
> traditionally maintained in the Registrar's Report.  If you'd like to
> be listed as a Watcher or removed from the list, feel free to email
> the fora or the Registrar directly.
> 
> Watchers confirmed as of May 2017:
> 
> Nickname  Contact
>   ---
> Ørjan oerjan at nvg.ntnu.no
> 
> Watchers confirmed as of May 2013:
> 
> Nickname  Contact
>   ---
> Dave  davidnicol at gmail.com
> Phlogistique  noe.rubinstein at gmail.com
> Steve zardoz37 at gmail.com
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 



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DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

[grok (caleb vines)]

CoE grok is a player

On Jul 30, 2017 9:39 AM, "Publius Scribonius Scholasticus" <
p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:



   Registrar's Weekly Report


(all times UTC)

Date of last report: 23 Jul 2017
Date of this report: 30 Jul 2017

Recent events:


Players (17) (Rule 869, self-ratifying)

Player   Contact Registered
--   --- --
ais523   callforjudgement at yahoo.co.uk [1] 20 Mar 11
Aris thoughtsoflifeandlight17 at gmail.com   13 Sep 16
Murphy   emurphy42 at zoho.com   27 Oct 07
oowen at grimoire.ca 12 Jul 16
Sprocklemsprocklem at gmail.com  19 Oct 13
天火狐draconicdarkness at gmail.com   06 Nov 16
Zachary Watterson [2]tannerswett at gmail.com26 Mar 17
Quazie   quazienomic at gmail.com15 Apr 17
P. Scholasticus [3]  pscriboniusscholasticus at gmail.com[4] 16 Apr 17
tmanthe2nd   trstnbrdwg0 at gmail.com13 May 17
Gaelan   gbs at canishe.com  15 May 17
Ienpw IIIjames.m.beirne at gmail.com 21 May 17
Veggiekeks   martinjroensch at gmail.com 25 May 17
omd  comexk at gmail.com [5] 03 Feb 11
V.J. Radavijarada at gmail.com   07 Jun 17
Bayushi  thelas.staloras at gmail.com29 Jun 17
nichdel  nichdel at gmail.com29 Jun 17

[1] also ais523 at alumni.bham.ac.uk
[2] also known as Gumball
[3] In full, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
[4] officially, but technically equivalent p.scribonius.scholasticus at
googlemail.com
[5] officially, but technically equivalent c.ome.xk at gmail.com

Fora (Rule 478, self-ratifying)

Type Location  Typical use
  ---
Public   agora-official at agoranomic.org  official reports
Public   agora-business at agoranomic.org  other business
Discussion   agora-discussion at agoranomic.orgdiscussion
Discussion   irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/##nomic   discussion
Public   agora at listserver.tue.nlbackup

Subscribe or unsubscribe from main lists:
http://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo

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http://listserver.tue.nl/mailman/listinfo/agora

The IRC channel does not require subscription; set your IRC client to
server irc.freenode.net, port 6667, channel ##nomic, and whatever
nickname you like.

Other rules pertaining to this office
-
Rule 2139 (The Registrar)
Rule 1789 (Cantus Cygneus)

Watchers (4)

The list of Watchers is not governed by the rules, but is
traditionally maintained in the Registrar's Report.  If you'd like to
be listed as a Watcher or removed from the list, feel free to email
the fora or the Registrar directly.

Watchers confirmed as of May 2017:

Nickname  Contact
  ---
Ørjan oerjan at nvg.ntnu.no

Watchers confirmed as of May 2013:

Nickname  Contact
  ---
Dave  davidnicol at gmail.com
Phlogistique  noe.rubinstein at gmail.com
Steve zardoz37 at gmail.com

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposal(s) 7867-7868

[Nic Evans]

On 07/30/2017 10:45 AM, nichdel wrote:

I resolve the decision(s) to adopt proposal(s) 7867-7868as below.



[This notice resolves the Agoran decisions of whether to adopt the
 following proposals.  For each decision, the options available to
 Agora are ADOPTED (*), REJECTED (x), and FAILED QUORUM (!). If a
 decision's voting period is still ongoing, I end it immediately
 before resolving it and after resolving the previous decision.]

ID Author(s)AI   Title

*7867  nichdel, [1] 2.0  Economics Overhaul v2
*7868  Murphy   3.0  Minor economic fixes

[1] o, grok, Aris

|  | 7867 | 7868 |
|--+--+--+
|Aris  | F| N|
|nichdel   | F| F|
|o | F| F|
|PSS[1]| F[2] | F[2] |
|Quazie| F[3] | F[3] |
|V.J Rada  | F[4] | F[5] |
|--+--+--+
|F/A   | 6/0  | 5/0  |
|AI| 2.0  | 3.0  |
|V | 6| 5|
|Q | 3| 3|
|P | T| T|


Oops, Aris definitely voted Present. Results remain the same, so I don't 
think a CoE is appropriate but if someone else thinks so I'll resubmit,

DIS: Re: BUS: Shiny Smuggling

[Nic Evans]

On 07/30/2017 10:57 AM, Nic Evans wrote:

I transfer 1 shiny to ASaAA, which gives me one ASaAA proxy.

{
Me: 9 sh. 1 Stamp (nichdel). 1 ASaAA Proxy
ASaAA: 8 sh.
}



I should've noted here: The ASaAA had 7 shinies I transfered to it 
before the proposal passed [1], and the proposal didn't affect shinies 
held by organizations. This wasn't intentional, but I decided to take 
advantage of it anyway.


[1] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg28951.html

DIS: Re: BUS: Removing Proposal "Agoraculture"

[Aris Merchant]

On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Ajay Kumar Raja
 wrote:
> Thanks to Nic Evans's helpful advice, I'm removing my proposal

Welcome to Agora! Yet another Agoran cultural thing is that we tend to
go by nicknames (kind of like usernames). E (gender-neutral singular
pronoun) goes by nichdel.

> "Agoraculture" from the Proposal Pool so that it can be written in a clearer
> and more typical manner.

FYI, I was going to pretend your proposal didn't exist under the
circumstances, which may or may not be legal. You never said you were
submitting it ("I submit the following proposal"), and I think we have
a precedent lying around somewhere that we don't count titles.

Also, while your proposal is certainly interesting, I wonder if it
might be overpowered given the way voting works. Perhaps something
with less game shattering potential (increase a player's weekly action
points? [1]) might be a better reward.

[1] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg08154.html

-Aris