Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Weekly Report

[ATMunn]

Interestingly, this message is not in my normal font, but it is 
different from the font the report was in. The font of this message 
isn't even monospace for some reason.


On 4/28/2018 4:56 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote:

On Sat, 28 Apr 2018, ATMunn wrote:

For some reason, this report and many of your other reports show up in 
a weird font for me. Does this happen to other people?


Not to me (my terminal window only has the one font), but I suspect it 
has something with the Referee report's


Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-2022-JP

header. That header seems to vary a *lot* between G.'s messages, 
presumably because eir mailer determines a "smallest fit" encoding. The 
last Registrar's report has


Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=EUC-KR

while the last Assessor's resolution has the more normal

Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8

I also suspect it is related to the presence of the characters 天火狐, 
which isn't in the last one.


The difference between the two first ones might actually be because of 
the Ø in _my_ name, which isn't in the Referee report but is in the two 
others.


You might see the same weirdness with this message, since I'm also using 
Alpine, although the terminal version.


Greetings,
Ørjan.


On 4/28/2018 4:21 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
  
 


 The Police Blotter (Referee's Weekly Report)
 



Date of last report: 22 Apr 2018
Date of this report: 28 Apr 2018
(all times UTC)


BLOT HOLDINGS (asset record - self-ratifying)

Person    Blots
  -
Murphy   2
V.J. Rada    2


BLOT HISTORY

Person    Change  Date  Reason
  --    ---
V.J. Rada  +1(f)  11 Apr 2018 12:01:44  Late Notary Report
Murphy +1(D)  23 Apr 2018 16:38:54  Late ADoP Report
Murphy +1(D)  23 Apr 2018 16:38:54  Late Arbitor Report
V.J. Rada  +1(f)  25 Apr 2018 18:24:14  Missed Silly Person duties
(f)=forgivable by R2557
(D)=loses next monthly salary for noted office by R2559


FROM THE POLICE SCANNER (details of justice since last report)

V.J. Rada Wed, 25 Apr 2018 21:09:58 +1000

I also point my finger at myself for failing to pend a Silly Proposal
last week.

G. Wed, 25 Apr 2018 11:24:14 -0700 (PDT)

Factually correct.  Very low game consequences.  I levy a 1-blot fine,
forgivable with apology word list {only, a, little, bit, silly, in, 
one,

leg}.


V.J. Rada Wed, 25 Apr 2018 21:09:19 +1000

I point my finger at the Treasuror for failing to publish eir weekly
report since Apr 2

G. Wed, 25 Apr 2018 11:21:46 -0700 (PDT)
Shennanigans.  Due to the Treasuror not being a defined office (a 
bugfix

for that is in last week's proposal distribution).  It would have been
nice for Gaelan to report informally but oh well.


Corona Mon, 23 Apr 2018 18:29:15 +0200

I Point a Finger at Murphy for missing last week's ADoP Report.

G.    Mon, 23 Apr 2018 09:38:54 -0700 (PDT)

Cold hand of justice:  1 Blot levied on Murphy for failure to produce
ADoP report.  As it appears no work has been done for this office
for 16+ days in April, this is unforgivable (prevents May 1 salary).


Corona Mon, 23 Apr 2018 18:29:15 +0200

I Point a Finger at Murphy for missing last week's Arbitor Report.

G.    Mon, 23 Apr 2018 09:38:54 -0700 (PDT)

Cold hand of justice:  1 Blot levied on Murphy for failure to produce
Arbitor report. As it appears no work has been done for this office
for 16+ days in April, this is unforgivable (prevents May 1 salary).



PLEDGES (self-ratifying list of assets)
[
Changes since last report:
   - G. destroyed 3 of eir pledges without objection.
   - ATMunn destroyed eir one and only pledge w/o objection.
]
Quazie -
I pledge to give 1 Shiny to the first person who can,
correctly, with e-mail citations, explain what I did wrong on
Jan 20th 2009 that has since led to me being a fugitive. For
the explanation to be valid for this pledge, it should be fully
self contained, I should not have to go look up past rules in
order to understand the explanation (So please, include all
source info in the explanation).

V.J Rada -
I pledge not to make any thread titles completely unrelated to
the email's content, nor use any agency or other mechanism to
attempt to gain control of any player at the exclusion of all
other players.

Gaelan (14 Sep 2017) -
I pledge to, for at least the next month, vote AGAINST any
proposal that amends rules by providing new text in full unless
the text of the rule is nearly entirely changed.

nichdel -
I pledge to vote AGAINST on all proposals created or pended by
Cuddle Beam.

nichdel -
I pledge to Object to all intentions by Cuddle Beam that I can
object to.

nichdel -
I pledge to give a trust token and 5 shinies (as soon as
possible) to any other player who also performs the above three
pledges, except 

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8033-8041

[Ned Strange]

it matters because of the quorum for next week. can't have conditional quorum.

On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 5:21 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
>
> Actually nvm I don't care all that much - I withdraw this CFJ.
>
> Interestingly, this leave the CoE kinda in limbo.  I've done everything
> required of me by initiating an inquiry case, but there's no closure
> (not that it matters as a practical matter because I published a
> conditional revision).
>
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>> CFJ, barring VJ Rada:  PSS voted on the decision to adopt Proposal 8033.
>>
>> Arguments:
>>
>> R2466 says:
>>  the agent CAN perform the action in the same
>>   manner in which the principal CAN do so, with the additional
>>   requirement that the agent must, in the message in which the
>>   action is performed, uniquely identify the principal and that the
>>   action is being taken on behalf of that person.
>>
>> The message in which VJ Rada attempted to vote on behalf of PSS read:
>> >
>> > I also have PSS vote as I do.
>>
>> While it communicates a general intent, I think it's pretty important (and
>> in the rules) that "act on behalf" or some strong indication thereof of the
>> act-on-behalf mechanism being used, and I don't think this message rises
>> to that standard.
>>
>> [END OF ARGUMENTS]
>>
>> In response to the VJ Rada's CoEs, I note the existence of the above CFJ.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 28 Apr 2018, Ned Strange wrote:
>> > and for the other proposals with em as well
>> >
>> > On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 2:52 PM, Ned Strange  
>> > wrote:
>> > > CoE: I also voted against Blot Expansion with my zombie PSS
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 9:52 AM, Kerim Aydin  
>> > > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> I resolve the Agoran Decisions to adopt Proposals 8033-8041 as follows.
>> > >>
>> > >> Quorum is 3 for all of these proposals.
>> > >>
>> > >> co-author lists:
>> > >> [1] Aris, Cuddle Beam, Gaelan, Trigon
>> > >> [2] omd, pokes, o
>> > >> [3] Medals of Honour Correction Act
>> > >> [4] V.J. Rada
>> > >> [5] Ørjan
>> > >> [6] Trigon, G.
>> > >>
>> > >>> ID Author(s)AI   Title Pender
>> > >>> ---
>> > >>> 8033   Kenyon, [1]  2.0  Gray Land and the FountainKenyon
>> > >> FOR:  Aris, Corona, Trigon, Quazie, Kenyon
>> > >> AGAINST:
>> > >> PRESENT:  V.J. Rada, ATMunn, 2xG.
>> > >> FOR/AGAINST:  5/0
>> > >> RESULT:   ADOPTED
>> > >>
>> > >>> 8034   G.   2.0  Paydays Fix   Kenyon
>> > >> FOR: Aris, Corona, Trigon, V.J. Rada, Quazie, ATMunn, Kenyon, 
>> > >> 2xG.
>> > >> AGAINST:
>> > >> PRESENT:
>> > >> FOR/AGAINST: 9/0
>> > >> RESULT:  ADOPTED
>> > >>
>> > >>> 8035   G., [2]  1.0  Nothing to worry aboutG.
>> > >> FOR: Corona, V.J. Rada, Quazie, ATMunn, 2xG., omd, o, pokes
>> > >> AGAINST: Aris, Trigon, Kenyon
>> > >> PRESENT:
>> > >> FOR/AGAINST: 9/3
>> > >> RESULT:  ADOPTED
>> > >>
>> > >>> 8036   Aris 2.0  Impeachment   Aris
>> > >> FOR: Aris, Corona, Trigon, V.J. Rada, Quazie, ATMunn, Kenyon
>> > >> AGAINST: 2xG.
>> > >> PRESENT:
>> > >> FOR/AGAINST: 7/2
>> > >> RESULT:  ADOPTED
>> > >>
>> > >>> 8037   ATMunn   1.0  Medals of Honour Correction Act   ATMunn
>> > >> FOR:  Aris, Corona, Trigon, V.J. Rada, Quazie, ATMunn, Kenyon
>> > >> AGAINST:
>> > >> PRESENT:  2xG.
>> > >> FOR/AGAINST:  7/0
>> > >> RESULT:   ADOPTED
>> > >>
>> > >>> 8038   V.J. Rada1.0  V.J. Rada Equitable Remedy.   Corona
>> > >> FOR: 2xG.
>> > >> AGAINST: Aris, Corona, Trigon, V.J. Rada, Quazie, ATMunn, Kenyon
>> > >> PRESENT:
>> > >> FOR/AGAINST:  2/7
>> > >> RESULT:   REJECTED
>> > >>
>> > >>> 8039   Aris, [4]2.1  V.J. Rada Equitable Remedy v2 Aris
>> > >> FOR:  Aris, Corona, Trigon, V.J. Rada, Quazie, ATMunn, Kenyon, 
>> > >> 2xG.
>> > >> AGAINST:
>> > >> PRESENT:
>> > >> FOR/AGAINST:  9/0
>> > >> RESULT:   ADOPTED
>> > >>
>> > >>> 8040   Aris, [5]3.0  Blot Expansion v3 Aris
>> > >> FOR: Aris, Corona, Trigon, Quazie, ATMunn, Kenyon, 2xG.
>> > >> AGAINST: V.J. Rada
>> > >> PRESENT:
>> > >> FOR/AGAINST: 8/1
>> > >> RESULT:  ADOPTED
>> > >>
>> > >>> 8041   Aris, [6]2.0  Consolidated PatchAris
>> > >> FOR:Aris, Corona, Trigon, V.J. Rada, Quazie, ATMunn, Kenyon, 
>> > >> 2xG.
>> > >> AGAINST:
>> > >> PRESENT:
>> > >> FOR/AGAINST: 9/0
>> > >> RESULT:  ADOPTED
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> TEXT OF ADOPTED PROPOSALS
>> > >>
>> > >> //
>> > >> ID: 8033
>> > >> Title: Gray Land and the Fountain
>> > >> Adoption index: 2.0
>> > >> Author: Kenyon
>> > >> Co-authors: Aris, Cuddle Beam, Gaelan, Trigon
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > 

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Weekly Report

[Ørjan Johansen]

On Sat, 28 Apr 2018, Ørjan Johansen wrote:

You might see the same weirdness with this message, since I'm also using 
Alpine, although the terminal version.


Indeed that also got a weird header.  In the terminal Alpine, there's a 
Posting Character Set option to override the autodetection.  Whether 
Alpine should be considered to blame here is a different matter.


Greetings,
Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Weekly Report

[Ørjan Johansen]

On Sat, 28 Apr 2018, ATMunn wrote:

For some reason, this report and many of your other reports show up in a 
weird font for me. Does this happen to other people?


Not to me (my terminal window only has the one font), but I suspect it has 
something with the Referee report's


Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-2022-JP

header. That header seems to vary a *lot* between G.'s messages, 
presumably because eir mailer determines a "smallest fit" encoding. The 
last Registrar's report has


Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=EUC-KR

while the last Assessor's resolution has the more normal

Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8

I also suspect it is related to the presence of the characters 天火狐, 
which isn't in the last one.


The difference between the two first ones might actually be because of the 
Ø in _my_ name, which isn't in the Referee report but is in the two 
others.


You might see the same weirdness with this message, since I'm also using 
Alpine, although the terminal version.


Greetings,
Ørjan.


On 4/28/2018 4:21 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:

  

 The Police Blotter (Referee's Weekly Report)


Date of last report: 22 Apr 2018
Date of this report: 28 Apr 2018
(all times UTC)


BLOT HOLDINGS (asset record - self-ratifying)

PersonBlots
  -
Murphy   2
V.J. Rada2


BLOT HISTORY

PersonChange  Date  Reason
  --    ---
V.J. Rada  +1(f)  11 Apr 2018 12:01:44  Late Notary Report
Murphy +1(D)  23 Apr 2018 16:38:54  Late ADoP Report
Murphy +1(D)  23 Apr 2018 16:38:54  Late Arbitor Report
V.J. Rada  +1(f)  25 Apr 2018 18:24:14  Missed Silly Person duties
(f)=forgivable by R2557
(D)=loses next monthly salary for noted office by R2559


FROM THE POLICE SCANNER (details of justice since last report)

V.J. Rada Wed, 25 Apr 2018 21:09:58 +1000

I also point my finger at myself for failing to pend a Silly Proposal
last week.

G. Wed, 25 Apr 2018 11:24:14 -0700 (PDT)

Factually correct.  Very low game consequences.  I levy a 1-blot fine,
forgivable with apology word list {only, a, little, bit, silly, in, one,
leg}.


V.J. Rada Wed, 25 Apr 2018 21:09:19 +1000

I point my finger at the Treasuror for failing to publish eir weekly
report since Apr 2

G. Wed, 25 Apr 2018 11:21:46 -0700 (PDT)

Shennanigans.  Due to the Treasuror not being a defined office (a bugfix
for that is in last week's proposal distribution).  It would have been
nice for Gaelan to report informally but oh well.


Corona Mon, 23 Apr 2018 18:29:15 +0200

I Point a Finger at Murphy for missing last week's ADoP Report.

G.  Mon, 23 Apr 2018 09:38:54 -0700 (PDT)

Cold hand of justice:  1 Blot levied on Murphy for failure to produce
ADoP report.  As it appears no work has been done for this office
for 16+ days in April, this is unforgivable (prevents May 1 salary).


Corona Mon, 23 Apr 2018 18:29:15 +0200

I Point a Finger at Murphy for missing last week's Arbitor Report.

G.  Mon, 23 Apr 2018 09:38:54 -0700 (PDT)

Cold hand of justice:  1 Blot levied on Murphy for failure to produce
Arbitor report. As it appears no work has been done for this office
for 16+ days in April, this is unforgivable (prevents May 1 salary).



PLEDGES (self-ratifying list of assets)
[
Changes since last report:
   - G. destroyed 3 of eir pledges without objection.
   - ATMunn destroyed eir one and only pledge w/o objection.
] 


Quazie -
I pledge to give 1 Shiny to the first person who can,
correctly, with e-mail citations, explain what I did wrong on
Jan 20th 2009 that has since led to me being a fugitive. For
the explanation to be valid for this pledge, it should be fully
self contained, I should not have to go look up past rules in
order to understand the explanation (So please, include all
source info in the explanation).

V.J Rada -
I pledge not to make any thread titles completely unrelated to
the email's content, nor use any agency or other mechanism to
attempt to gain control of any player at the exclusion of all
other players.

Gaelan (14 Sep 2017) -
I pledge to, for at least the next month, vote AGAINST any
proposal that amends rules by providing new text in full unless
the text of the rule is nearly entirely changed.

nichdel -
I pledge to vote AGAINST on all proposals created or pended by
Cuddle Beam.

nichdel -
I pledge to Object to all intentions by Cuddle Beam that I can
object to.

nichdel -
I pledge to give a trust token and 5 shinies (as soon as
possible) to any other player who also performs the above three
pledges, except Cuddle Beam.

nichdel -
I pledge to not refer to 天火狐 as Josh or Josh T.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus -
I too pledge to not refer to 天火狐 as Josh or Josh T.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus -
I...pledge to fix the 

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: doesn't THIS apply to "pay" without a destination?

[Kerim Aydin]

On Sat, 28 Apr 2018, Ørjan Johansen wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> 
> > So if another rule says "you can do X by paying [without
> > destination]", then since paying for it is an attempt to decrease
> > your balance, that's a pretty strong implication that you do it
> > by destroying it.  And if you pay someone else, you're not doing
> > what the rule says you need to do.
> 
> Something something "direct forward reasoning".

Direct, forward:  
This error-traps payments without destination, it's pretty clear.
It's after the definition of "pay" within the same rule so it 
overrules that definition (R2240).

Longer version but still straightforward:  
- Paying decreases your balance.
- Paying without destination destroys things.
- A rule lets you do something by paying (without specifying
   destination).
- To do that, you destroy the things.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Weekly Report

[ATMunn]

For some reason, this report and many of your other reports show up in a  
weird font for me. Does this happen to other people?


On 4/28/2018 4:21 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
   


 The Police Blotter (Referee's Weekly Report)


Date of last report: 22 Apr 2018
Date of this report: 28 Apr 2018
(all times UTC)


BLOT HOLDINGS (asset record - self-ratifying)

PersonBlots
  -
Murphy   2
V.J. Rada2


BLOT HISTORY

PersonChange  Date  Reason
  --    ---
V.J. Rada  +1(f)  11 Apr 2018 12:01:44  Late Notary Report
Murphy +1(D)  23 Apr 2018 16:38:54  Late ADoP Report
Murphy +1(D)  23 Apr 2018 16:38:54  Late Arbitor Report
V.J. Rada  +1(f)  25 Apr 2018 18:24:14  Missed Silly Person duties
(f)=forgivable by R2557
(D)=loses next monthly salary for noted office by R2559


FROM THE POLICE SCANNER (details of justice since last report)

V.J. Rada Wed, 25 Apr 2018 21:09:58 +1000

I also point my finger at myself for failing to pend a Silly Proposal
last week.

G. Wed, 25 Apr 2018 11:24:14 -0700 (PDT)

Factually correct.  Very low game consequences.  I levy a 1-blot fine,
forgivable with apology word list {only, a, little, bit, silly, in, one,
leg}.


V.J. Rada Wed, 25 Apr 2018 21:09:19 +1000

I point my finger at the Treasuror for failing to publish eir weekly
report since Apr 2

G. Wed, 25 Apr 2018 11:21:46 -0700 (PDT)

Shennanigans.  Due to the Treasuror not being a defined office (a bugfix
for that is in last week's proposal distribution).  It would have been
nice for Gaelan to report informally but oh well.


Corona Mon, 23 Apr 2018 18:29:15 +0200

I Point a Finger at Murphy for missing last week's ADoP Report.

G.  Mon, 23 Apr 2018 09:38:54 -0700 (PDT)

Cold hand of justice:  1 Blot levied on Murphy for failure to produce
ADoP report.  As it appears no work has been done for this office
for 16+ days in April, this is unforgivable (prevents May 1 salary).


Corona Mon, 23 Apr 2018 18:29:15 +0200

I Point a Finger at Murphy for missing last week's Arbitor Report.

G.  Mon, 23 Apr 2018 09:38:54 -0700 (PDT)

Cold hand of justice:  1 Blot levied on Murphy for failure to produce
Arbitor report. As it appears no work has been done for this office
for 16+ days in April, this is unforgivable (prevents May 1 salary).



PLEDGES (self-ratifying list of assets)
[
Changes since last report:
   - G. destroyed 3 of eir pledges without objection.
   - ATMunn destroyed eir one and only pledge w/o objection.
]

Quazie -
I pledge to give 1 Shiny to the first person who can,
correctly, with e-mail citations, explain what I did wrong on
Jan 20th 2009 that has since led to me being a fugitive. For
the explanation to be valid for this pledge, it should be fully
self contained, I should not have to go look up past rules in
order to understand the explanation (So please, include all
source info in the explanation).

V.J Rada -
I pledge not to make any thread titles completely unrelated to
the email's content, nor use any agency or other mechanism to
attempt to gain control of any player at the exclusion of all
other players.

Gaelan (14 Sep 2017) -
I pledge to, for at least the next month, vote AGAINST any
proposal that amends rules by providing new text in full unless
the text of the rule is nearly entirely changed.

nichdel -
I pledge to vote AGAINST on all proposals created or pended by
Cuddle Beam.

nichdel -
I pledge to Object to all intentions by Cuddle Beam that I can
object to.

nichdel -
I pledge to give a trust token and 5 shinies (as soon as
possible) to any other player who also performs the above three
pledges, except Cuddle Beam.

nichdel -
I pledge to not refer to 天火狐 as Josh or Josh T.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus -
I too pledge to not refer to 天火狐 as Josh or Josh T.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus -
I...pledge to fix the margins, if the issue is explained to me.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus -
I pledge to deputize for the rulekeepor on October 19, 2017, if it is
still possible.

Cuddlebeam -
I pledge to hook people up in a reasonable amount of time, according
to the message above, during what's left of the current month and
November.
[Referee's note: This pledge refers to the message listed
athttps://www.mail-archive.com/agora
business at agoranomic.org/msg30230.html]

V.J. Rada -
I pledge to give a win and a black ribbon to everyone who votes for
"hopefully you guys all vote for this" if that passes.

o - (Nov 7, '17)
I pledge to pay 5 sh. to the first person to publicly identify the
specific bug I fixed in the Surveyor’s report this week, provided
their answer includes either the word, some synonym for the word, or
some observation related to the word, whose sha256 hash is

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

[Kerim Aydin]

Huh - I've been using Forward on each past report and lightly editing, it 
seems that method adds a little whitespace to the left of any already-
indented lines each time and the tables have been creeping rightwards...

of whitespace to the beginning 
On Sat, 28 Apr 2018, Ørjan Johansen wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> 
> > Players (19) (by Rule 869, Persons with 'Registered' Citizenship, z=zombie)
> > 
> >   Player   Contact
> > Registered
> >   --   ---
> > --
> >   Aris thoughtsoflifeandlight17 at gmail.com   13
> > Sep 16
> 
> This table is a little wide, it wraps for me in Alpine with a width 80
> terminal.
> 
> Greetings,
> Ørjan.
>

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

[Ørjan Johansen]

On Fri, 27 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote:


Players (19) (by Rule 869, Persons with 'Registered' Citizenship, z=zombie)

  Player   Contact 
Registered
  --   --- 
--
  Aris thoughtsoflifeandlight17 at gmail.com   13 Sep 16


This table is a little wide, it wraps for me in Alpine with a width 80 
terminal.


Greetings,
Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: boo!

[Ørjan Johansen]

On Sat, 28 Apr 2018, Corona wrote:


Yeah, might as well piggyback on this scare. I award myself a black ribbon.
I act on behalf of Quazie to award em a black ribbon for the purpose of
satisfying eir scare debt, flipping eir Boo Lien switch to FALSE.


By the last Tailor Report of 12 Feb, Quazie already has a black ribbon.

Greetings,
Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: boo!

[Ørjan Johansen]

On Fri, 27 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote:


On behalf of omd, omd awards emself a black ribbon in order
to satisfy eir scare debt (flpping eir boo lien switch to FALSE).


By the last Tailor Report of 12 Feb, omd already has a black ribbon.

Greetings,
Ørjan.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: doesn't THIS apply to "pay" without a destination?

[Ørjan Johansen]

On Fri, 27 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote:


So if another rule says "you can do X by paying [without
destination]", then since paying for it is an attempt to decrease
your balance, that's a pretty strong implication that you do it
by destroying it.  And if you pay someone else, you're not doing
what the rule says you need to do.


Something something "direct forward reasoning".

Greetings,
Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Nerf Zombies

[Aris Merchant]

I thought of that. In some ways that would be preferable, but they're
an interesting system that hasn't been around that long. When it gets
closer to October (presuming we don't get rid of it sooner), we should
maybe come up something where we could create a timed repeal, and then
make delaying it a mini-game.

-Aris

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 6:48 AM, ATMunn  wrote:
> Another (probably unpopular) option: Just get rid of zombies altogether.
>
>
> On 4/26/2018 2:29 AM, Aris Merchant wrote:
>>
>> It's clear that zombies are way to powerful and need to be weakened
>> substantially. Proposed restrictions:
>>
>> - 1 zombie per player max
>> - Zombies can be deregistered by announcement after a month as zombies
>>
>> -Aris
>>
>

Re: DIS: Protos on github

[Aris Merchant]

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 1:56 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
>
> I don't know if this will turn out to be useful, but I've put a protos repo
> on our github:
> https://github.com/AgoraNomic/protos
>
> I've put in there an Assets start-of-proto.  Right now, it's a copy of the
> assets rule, where I've clipped out secondary stuff that may be better housed
> in other rules (and put it down below in the doc).  Feel free to contribute...

I've opened a PR, splitting the assets rule more completely and making
some things a bit neater, given the mess it's in is my fault. The
revised assets section follows, for those who don't want to look at
the Github (also probably a good idea to keep discussion on list):

---
Amend Rule 2166 (Power=3.0), "Assets", to read as follows:

  An asset is an entity defined as such by a document that has been
  granted Mint Authority by the Rules (hereafter the asset's backing
  document), and existing solely because its backing document defines
  its existence. An asset's backing document can generally specify when
  and how that asset is created, destroyed, and transferred.

  The rules collectively have Mint Authority. Contracts have mint
  authority. A rule defined asset is public; one defined by a contract
  is private.

  The recordkeepor of a class of assets is the entity (if any)
  defined as such by, and bound by, its backing document. That
  entity's report includes a list of all instances of that class and
  their owners. This portion of that entity's report is
  self-ratifying.  For the purposes of this rule, the
  promulgator of a regulation is bound by it.

Create a power 3.0 rule, entitled "Ownership", with the following text:

  Each asset has exactly one owner. If an asset's backing document
  restricts its ownership to a class of entities, then that asset
  CANNOT be gained by or transferred to an entity outside that
  class, and is destroyed if it is owned by an entity outside that
  class. The restrictions in the previous sentence are subject to
  modification by its backing document. By default, ownership of an
  asset is restricted to Agora, players, and contracts.

  If an asset would otherwise lack an owner, it is owned by the Lost
  and Found Department. Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, the
  Lost and Found Department can own assets of every type. Assets owned
  by the Lost and Found Department can be transferred or destroyed
  by any player without objection.


Create a power 3.0 rule, entitled "Asset Actions", with the following text:

  An asset generally CAN be destroyed by its owner by announcement,
  subject to modification by its backing document. An indestructible
  asset is one defined as such by it backing document, and CANNOT be
  destroyed except by a proposal or rule, other than this one,
  specifically addressing the destruction of indestructible assets
  or that asset in particular; any other asset is destructible.

  To "lose" an asset is to have it destroyed from one's possession;
  to "revoke" an asset from an entity is to destroy it from that
  entity's possession.

  An asset generally CAN be transferred (syn. given) by
  announcement by its owner to another entity, subject to
  modification by its backing document. A fixed asset is one defined
  as such by its backing document, and CANNOT be transferred; any
  other asset is liquid.

  When a rule indicates transferring an amount that is not a natural
  number, the specified amount is rounded up to the nearest natural
  number.

Create a power 3.0 rule, entitled "Currencies", with the following text:
  A currency is a class of asset defined as such by its backing
  document. Instances of a currency with the same owner are
  fungible.

  The "x balance of an entity", where x is a currency, is the number
  of x that entity possesses. Where it resolves ambiguity, the asset or
  currency being referred to is the currency designated as "Agora's
  official currency", if there is one.


Create a new power 3.0 rule, entitled "Contractual Ownership", with the
following text:

  A contract's text can specify whether or not that contract is
  willing to receive assets or a class of assets. Generally, a
  contract CANNOT be given assets it is unwilling to receive. If the
  contract's opinion on the matter would otherwise be uncertain, the
  procedure to determine its willingness is as follows:

  1. If the contract appears to anticipate being given assets,
  other than for sustenance (e.g. by authorizing parties to
  spend the contract's assets), then the contract is willing to
  receive all assets.

  2. Otherwise, it is unwilling to receive all assets.

  The previous paragraph (including the list) notwithstanding, a
  contract 

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: doesn't THIS apply to "pay" without a destination?

[Aris Merchant]

Nope. Indestructible assets can only be destroyed by a rule "other
than this one" to catch exactly this kind of problem.

-Aris

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 11:18 PM, Corona  wrote:
> Hmm, does this mean you can arbitrarily destroy indestructible assets by
> attempting to transfer them to nobody in particular?
>
> ~Corona
>
> On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 12:20 AM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Ok I looked up competent authority and see how it works in this
>> context.  Back to the original point:
>>
>> The rule here implies that if you attempt to decrease your own
>> balance without specifying a destination, the currency is question is
>> destroyed. (you are a competent authority for your own holdings).
>>
>> So if another rule says "you can do X by paying [without
>> destination]", then since paying for it is an attempt to decrease
>> your balance, that's a pretty strong implication that you do it
>> by destroying it.  And if you pay someone else, you're not doing
>> what the rule says you need to do.
>>
>> On Fri, 27 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>> > Actually this is may be huge hole.  And I have no idea what "competent
>> > authority" means.  I'm an officer - that's pretty authoritative.  And
>> > my reports are fairly timely and accurate - that's fairly competent.
>> >
>> > So.  An attempt.
>> >
>> > I decrease Corona's coin balance by 1.
>> >
>> > On Fri, 27 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>> > > From Rule 2166/26:
>> > >   If a rule, proposal, or other
>> > >   competent authority attempts to increase or decrease the balance
>> > >   of an entity without specifying a source or destination, then the
>> > >   currency is created or destroyed as needed.
>> > >
>> > > "paying" without a destination attempts to reduce the payer's balance,
>> so
>> > > it destroys the currency?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: doesn't THIS apply to "pay" without a destination?

[Corona]

​Hmm, does this mean you can arbitrarily destroy indestructible assets by
attempting to transfer them to nobody in particular?

~Corona

On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 12:20 AM, Kerim Aydin 
wrote:

>
>
> Ok I looked up competent authority and see how it works in this
> context.  Back to the original point:
>
> The rule here implies that if you attempt to decrease your own
> balance without specifying a destination, the currency is question is
> destroyed. (you are a competent authority for your own holdings).
>
> So if another rule says "you can do X by paying [without
> destination]", then since paying for it is an attempt to decrease
> your balance, that's a pretty strong implication that you do it
> by destroying it.  And if you pay someone else, you're not doing
> what the rule says you need to do.
>
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > Actually this is may be huge hole.  And I have no idea what "competent
> > authority" means.  I'm an officer - that's pretty authoritative.  And
> > my reports are fairly timely and accurate - that's fairly competent.
> >
> > So.  An attempt.
> >
> > I decrease Corona's coin balance by 1.
> >
> > On Fri, 27 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > > From Rule 2166/26:
> > >   If a rule, proposal, or other
> > >   competent authority attempts to increase or decrease the balance
> > >   of an entity without specifying a source or destination, then the
> > >   currency is created or destroyed as needed.
> > >
> > > "paying" without a destination attempts to reduce the payer's balance,
> so
> > > it destroys the currency?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>