DIS: Re: BUS: [Referee] Weekly Report

2023-04-08 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 4/9/23 01:19, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote:
> I deputize as Referee, since this office is important for the assessor. I
> investigate and nix GUILTY of weekly tardiness for 0 blots.
> I publish the weekly report:


I'm not sure this works.

The communication standard for deputisation (R2160/24) is:

>3) The deputy, when performing the action, announces that e is
>   doing so by deputisation or by temporary deputisation.


"Deputization" is mentioned in the message but isn't explicitly tied to
the investigation or to the publishing. However, the publishing is done
by the sending of the message and the deputization is mentioned in the
message.

-- 
Janet Cobb

Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason


DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 4019 Assigned to Janet

2023-04-08 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 4/2/23 13:59, Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote:
> The below CFJ is 4019.  I assign it to Janet.
>
> status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#4019
>
> ===  CFJ 4019  ===
>
>   In this message, I had qualified players lift the First Speaker in
>   a powerful dance around the fountain.
>
> ==
>
> Caller:Juan
>
> Judge: Janet
>
> ==
>
> History:
>
> Called by Juan:   27 Mar 2023 18:21:13
> Assigned to Janet:[now]
>
> ==
>
> Caller's Evidence:
>
> Juan wrote, to Agora-Business:
>> Forest Sweeney via agora-business [2023-03-27 08:56]:
>>> Here are some interesting reports you should go and look at. What did these
>>> offices do? What was in these reports? Some things have changed!
>>>
>>> In response to the Sun 24 Feb 2008 Conductor Report, I declare the ritual
>>> number as 10.
>> https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg01091.html
>>> […]
>>>
>>> In response to
>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg06559.html
>>> I declare the ritual number as 15.
>>>
>>> I'm done for now. I'll be back later until someone inevitably
>>> doesn't like this and fixes the timeframes we can report on.
>>> :) It's just 1 point and this is a lot of work to dig up :P
>> For each natural number N from 16 to 41, I perform the following action:
>>
>> {
>> In response to the Nth ritual act ever performed, I declare the ritual
>> number to be N.
>> }
>>
>> I have qualified players lift the First Speaker in a powerful dance
>> around the fountain, thereby making it so all of em earn 1 radiance.
> Caller's Arguments:
>
> Arguments FOR:
>
> The only issue here is whether the intent is clear and unambiguous, which
> ultimately will come down to some criterion of reasonable effort. The only
> information that needs to be verified is whether 1) there were at least 41
> ritual acts, and that 2) none of those have had a ritual number declared in
> response. Well, I posit that those two facts are patently obvious, even
> though it might be unreasonably hard to identify specifically which acts
> were those. But their identity, alas, is irrelevant.
>
> ==


Draft judgement in CFJ 4019:

{

Although the caller states that this case turns only on whether eir
attempts were sufficiently clear, it also depends on whether 4st's
purported declarations of the ritual number as 10 to 15 succeeded (at [0]).

I find that these purported declarations were not successful. R2680/1
phrases the definitions of ritual acts as ongoing and present tense.
Similarly, the enabling of declaring the ritual number is phrased as
present and ongoing. Thus, I find that the ENABLING of declaring a
ritual number attaches when the ritual act is performed and does not
apply retrospectively past when R2680 was enacted. Thus, the purported
declarations from 10 to 15 were referencing events that were not ritual
acts.

However, the caller raises the argument that R2680 does not require the
declaration of a ritual number to include a reference to a specific
event. I find that this is not correct. R2680's phrasing of "for each
ritual act" suggests that the declaration applies to a specific ritual
act, and thus the specification of the action must include the specific
ritual act. The caller's purported declarations even seem to accept
that, as they attempt to include a reference to a specific ritual act,
rather than just having a raw declaration.

Thus, I find that 4st's purported declarations from 10-15 were invalid
because they failed to specify the required ritual act.

Although this finding means that I do not need to reach the clarity of
caller's purported declarations from 16-41 (sine they are invalid due to
not being at most 1 greater than some previous declaration), I will
continue to resolve the controversy anyway.

Having found that a specific ritual act must be referenced for a
declaration to be valid, the question is now what communication standard
must be met. I find that the standard is equivalent to the normal
"specify" standard. The only clarity standard weaker than that in the
rules is used in R869 registration, which is explicitly and deliberately
weaker than "by announcement" (and includes "reasonably clearly and
reasonably unambiguously"). Given that the only weaker standard has
explicit and clear wording, I find that, under the "game custom" factor,
it is not reasonable to read in a weaker clarity standard than "specify".

Having found that specific ritual acts must be referenced and having
identified the clarity standard, suffice it to say 

Re: DIS: Free ideas

2023-04-08 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 4/8/23 20:28, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote:
> In rule 2124, tabled actions, any player CAN filibuster Agoran Consent and
> Without Objection by withdrawing objections every 24 hours.
> (since there is no requirement for a player to have objected in order to
> withdraw objections.
> Note also that non-festive players can withdraw objections: this mainly is
> a concern for emergency regulations.)


Incorrect:

>   A supporter/objector to an intent, acting as emself, CAN by
>   announcement cease to be a supporter/objector ("withdraw"
>   support/objection) of that intent.

-- 
Janet Cobb

Assessor, Mad Engineer, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason


Re: DIS: Free ideas

2023-04-08 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Wed, Apr 5, 2023 at 1:23 PM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> In an effort to get Lime Ribbon, here are free ideas to add me as co-author
> for.
>
> [if you are serious, please add nix also as coauthor for the Stoney Stone]
> The following stone is also defined:
> - Stoney Stone (monthly,5): When wielded, grant the wielder a new stone,
> with the properties: name=Slippy Stone N (where N is the number of times
> this stone has been wielded), frequency=Monthly, Smoothness=10, and
> text=When wielded, transfer this stone to Agora, then destroy it.
>
> Agorachess (probably gone to the gutter)
> The Crystal (rules as items)
> The Weather (weekly actions by a single person).
>
> I'll be sure to reply with more ideas as they come up. If I notice anything
> broken, you can be sure I'll put it on this thread.
> --
> 4st
> Deputy(AKA FAKE) webmastor
> Uncertified Bad Idea Generator
>


GIVE ME A LIME RIBBON :D
Some of these, I bet, are valid concerns. Probably not all of them.

Not sure if this is intended, but for festivity, we can't set it to the
maximum ever, so any player who is 1 away from laudable is going to be
festive.
(given the standard definition of "exclusive" and "greater than or equal"
in that rule.)

in rule 2125, regulated actions, it says OR, not AND. The second part of
the rule,
"A Regulated Action CAN only be performed as described by the
  Rules, and only using the methods explicitly specified in the
  Rules for performing the given action."
could be removed if we just switched that OR to AND?

In rule 2124, tabled actions, any player CAN filibuster Agoran Consent and
Without Objection by withdrawing objections every 24 hours.
(since there is no requirement for a player to have objected in order to
withdraw objections.
Note also that non-festive players can withdraw objections: this mainly is
a concern for emergency regulations.)

Nix's find actually, but obviously worth mentioning here still: Stone
Collector.

Rule 1688 and rule 2162 duplicate the idea of secured (in what appears to
be the same way, but still duped)

Rule 107: looks like agoran decisions need not be public by default,
however, it looks like everything that uses them enforces them as public.



I'll be sure to come back with more! :)

-- 
4st
Deputy(AKA FAKE) webmastor
Uncertified Bad Idea Generator