Re: DIS: Re: (@Notary, Herald) BUS: A speculative counterscam attempt
On 4/16/23 17:10, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: On Mon, 2023-04-17 at 02:01 +0200, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: On Monday, April 17, 2023, ais523 via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: (Disclaimer: I'm attempting a counterscam here without knowing if anyone's going to attempt the scam that I'm aiming to prevent. If no revolution is happening, I don't have 100 radiance and so this message will end up having no net effect; my main purpose in sending this message is in case someone causes a revolution to happen sufficiently close to the start of the new week that nobody else would have time to react to the action in question unless they had already anticipated that it would be happening.) Crap I think the revolution failed (although I might well have miscounted) – the last time I counted there were five participants and six were required. Thus the possiblity of a timing scam, where someone new joins it immediately before the start of the week, or someone becomes inactive immediately before the start of the week. If the revolution failed, there was no "race to claim victory" to lose. (Probably the radiance rule should be changed so that players don't lose radiance from someone else winning if they're already at 100, though, to avoid this sort of race occurring in the first place?) :( Oh, revolution is a timing scam? Better change my dream. -- 4st Referee and Deputy(AKA FAKE) webmastor Uncertified Bad Idea Generator
Re: DIS: Re: (@Notary, Herald) BUS: A speculative counterscam attempt
On Mon, 2023-04-17 at 02:01 +0200, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > On Monday, April 17, 2023, ais523 via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > (Disclaimer: I'm attempting a counterscam here without knowing if > > anyone's going to attempt the scam that I'm aiming to prevent. If no > > revolution is happening, I don't have 100 radiance and so this message > > will end up having no net effect; my main purpose in sending this > > message is in case someone causes a revolution to happen sufficiently > > close to the start of the new week that nobody else would have time to > > react to the action in question unless they had already anticipated > > that it would be happening.) > > Crap I think the revolution failed (although I might well have miscounted) – the last time I counted there were five participants and six were required. Thus the possiblity of a timing scam, where someone new joins it immediately before the start of the week, or someone becomes inactive immediately before the start of the week. If the revolution failed, there was no "race to claim victory" to lose. (Probably the radiance rule should be changed so that players don't lose radiance from someone else winning if they're already at 100, though, to avoid this sort of race occurring in the first place?) -- ais523
DIS: Re: (@Notary, Herald) BUS: A speculative counterscam attempt
Crap
On Monday, April 17, 2023, ais523 via agora-business <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> (Disclaimer: I'm attempting a counterscam here without knowing if
> anyone's going to attempt the scam that I'm aiming to prevent. If no
> revolution is happening, I don't have 100 radiance and so this message
> will end up having no net effect; my main purpose in sending this
> message is in case someone causes a revolution to happen sufficiently
> close to the start of the new week that nobody else would have time to
> react to the action in question unless they had already anticipated
> that it would be happening.)
>
> I grant myself a promise with text {{{
>
> This promise can be cashed only if ais523 has 100 radiance.
>
> My radiance is 100. (The announcement in the previous sentence causes
> me to win the game.)
>
> }}}, becoming its creator.
>
> I cash that promise. (If I don't have 100 radiance, this fails.)
> I destroy that promise. (If I already cashed it, this fails.)
>
> --
> ais523
>
Re: DIS: Free ideas
4st wrote: Not sure if this is intended, but for festivity, we can't set it to the maximum ever, so any player who is 1 away from laudable is going to be festive. (given the standard definition of "exclusive" and "greater than or equal" in that rule.) This is adequately covered by R2480: If Agora's Festivity has had the same nonzero value for 14 days or more, or if it has a nonzero value and fewer than 5 players are ^ Festive, then any player CAN flip it to 0 by announcement. ^^^ in rule 2125, regulated actions, it says OR, not AND. The second part of the rule, "A Regulated Action CAN only be performed as described by the Rules, and only using the methods explicitly specified in the Rules for performing the given action." could be removed if we just switched that OR to AND? Apples and oranges. The first part defines which actions are regulated (and changing "or" to "and" would significantly alter that definition), the second part defines what it means to regulate an action. Rule 1688 and rule 2162 duplicate the idea of secured (in what appears to be the same way, but still duped) R1688 defines "secured" in the context of a change/action/value. R2162 defines "secured" in the context of a switch, as shorthand for applying R1688's definitions to various things related to that switch. Rule 107: looks like agoran decisions need not be public by default, however, it looks like everything that uses them enforces them as public. Various aspects use "public", or "publish" (defined elsewhere as public). Votes need not be public, and in fact have been private in the past (though I think it may have been many years ago).
Re: DIS: 2023 Tech Survey
nix wrote:
Honestly just kinda curious what people use, but I figured it might also
just be helpful to have more clarity. I'll compile the results in a week.
{
2023 Agora Nomic Technology and Accessibility Poll
--
For each question please first give a basic quantifiable answer (unless
it is open-ended). You can optionally give more detail after it.
Basic Access
1. What email client(s) do you use to access Agora?
[Examples: thunderbird, gmail web client, apple mail, fairmail]
2. How often do you check agora emails?
[daily, weekly, monthly, rarely, never]
3. How often do you access the Discord?
[daily, weekly, monthly, rarely, never]
4. How often do you access the irc?
[daily, weekly, monthly, rarely, never]
5. How often do you access the matrix?
[daily, weekly, monthly, rarely, never]
6. What, if any, assistive technology do you use?
[none, screen reader, screen magnification, alternate input]
Email Resources
---
7. Do you use an email account (non-alias) exclusively for Agora?
8. (Open Ended) How do you organize agora emails? Do you use filters,
folders, labels, aliases, or other features of email?
9. (Open Ended) How do you access old agora messages/emails?
Website
---
10. How often do you use the website?
[daily, weekly, monthly, rarely, never]
11. What pages on the website do you use most frequently?
Improvement
---
12. (Open Ended) What is the most difficult part of Agora, from a
tech/accessibility standpoint?
13. (Open Ended) What technology would you like to see Agora adopt or
use more?
14. (Open Ended) What other questions should this survey include, and
what would your answer be?
Belatedly:
1. Thunderbird
2. Weekly
3. Usually daily
4. Last time was years ago, probably pre-dating the Discord bridge
5. Never
6. None
7. Mostly
8. Filter to folders (technically labels), manually move some to others
9. Save reports to local files like ruleset.txt; "Archive" label;
search private web archives
10. Sporadically, usually if away from my PC
11. Ruleset, CFJ archive, usually if away from my PC
12. High message volume during archive searches
13. Something like Blognomic's generic database (perform actions by
updating relevant entries), with option to generate list of
recent changes to copy/paste into a report
14. Where do you place yourself on the new/experienced player spectrum
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Tailor) Moar ribbons pls
The rule 2438 is pretty explicit about the process of qualifying and claiming anyways, and by rule 2125 they'd be regulation actions, so you can only do them in the manner described by that rule. I'm not too sure how the secured argument goes, but it seems like it might work similarly.
DIS: Re: BUS: (@Tailor) Moar ribbons pls
On 4/16/23 00:15, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: It is questionable whether I qualify for a Grey ribbon, as the tailor could decide to award me one at any moment. It is questionable whether I qualify for a Black ribbon, as a scam could decide to award me one at any moment. Qualifying for ribbons is secured. You'd only qualify if the rules said you did. So you do not. -- nix Prime Minister, Herald, Collector
