DIS: Dummy Pseudonomic
This is the ruleset for a game called "Dummy Pseudonomic" The ruleset for Dummy Psuedonomic has no effect on the gamestate, which is always empty. The ruleset for Dummy Pseudonomic is not binding on anyone, including players. People may register for Dummy Pseudonomic by thinking to themselves that they are registering for Dummy Pseudonomic. Registering for Dummy Pseudonomic does nothing. One or more Agoran players registering for Dummy Pseudonomic is called an "invasion".
DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] The Agoran Directory (weekly report)
My listed birthday should be 27 Jun 08 if I understand "birthday" correctly. My first registration is listed as "a Sgeo sgeoster at gmail.com27 Jun 08 31 Jul 11"
DIS: Incorrect link in Registrar report
The link to https://agoranomic.org/Registrar/Reports/ appears to be an older link, and should be to https://agoranomic.org/Registrar/
DIS: Agoran MOO?
Was looking through my email archives for LambdaMOO stuff, and saw something about an Agoran MOO that used to exist. Is the database for that available anywhere? I would love to explore it and see what people made, even if it's otherwise dead.
DIS: (Off-Topic) BlogNomic
What's going on with BlogNomic? http://blognomic.com/archive/twelve_times_twelve_midnight Is this just the new theme, risking BlogNomic's existence?
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3358 assigned to OscarMeyr
This doesn't seem like it addresses the issue of Ambassador Abuse, although it wasn't mentioned in the CfJ itself. As far as I can tell, if Ambassador Abuse works, it would be required to be at the same time, and is there any reason that same time != same message? On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Benjamin Schultz ben.dov.schu...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Jonathan Rouillard jonathan.rouill...@gmail.com wrote: Detail: http://cotc.psychose.ca/viewcase.php?cfj=3358 == CFJ 3358 == It is LEGAL for the Clerk of the Courts to award Yaks to Walker without additional awards or transfers in the same message. Why wouldn't it be? I am aware of no reason that Yak awards or transfers must be batched into one message. It is a good idea, I admit, as it reduces the waste of sending out separate emails for each award or transfer. So, trivially TRUE. -- OscarMeyr
Re: DIS: Ambassador Abuse
A communication to Ambassador Abuse: I change rule 5 to read 'Ambabusese is a strange language: If Agora would interpret the Ambabusese as transferring or awarding a number of Yaks, but failing to transfer or award Yaks such that both Sgeo and woggle gain at least 3000 Yaks in the week, the Ambabusese meaning is, translated to English, I am the ambassador of Agora nomic.' Disclaimer: It is possible the above does nothing, due to an attempted counterscam by ais523. The current ruleset of Ambassador Abuse, as far as I can tell and if ais523's counterscam failed, and if amending the rules of Ambassador Abuse is possible: 1. This is the ruleset of a nomic called Ambassador Abuse 2. There are two languages used by Ambassador Abuse: Ambabusese and English. 3. All communications to Ambassador Abuse are in Ambabusese, but the rules themselves are in English, 4. All communications on Agora's public fora are considered communications to Ambassador Abuse in Ambabusese 5. Ambabusese is a strange language: If Agora would interpret the Ambabusese as transferring or awarding a number of Yaks, but failing to transfer or award Yaks such that both Sgeo and woggle gain at least 3000 Yaks in the week, the Ambabusese meaning is, translated to English, I am the ambassador of Agora nomic. 6. If rule 5 does not specify the meaning of a communication that is in Ambabusese, then the meaning of the Ambabusese is equivalent to the English meaning of ROT13 applied to the communication, as long as that does not mean a denial or retraction of a claim to be an ambassador. 7. Communications in Agora's discussion fora may be considered communications to Ambassador Abuse in English, if stated to be such (in English), and stated by Sgeo or woggle. 8. Sgeo may change any of these rules via a communication to Ambassador Abuse in English. 9. woggle may change any of these rules via a communication to Ambassador Abuse in English.
DIS: Re: BUS: Going soft on crime
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Charles Walker
charles.w.wal...@gmail.comwrote:
I submit the following proposals:
{
Exile too harsh, AI 2, disinterested
Amend Rule 1504 (Criminal Cases) by removing the text and CANNOT
register for two months after that time.
[ EXILED players still won't be able register for a month after being
exiled due to Rule 869. ]
}
I feel uncomfortable with the notion that the punishment for a crime is
dictated by a seemingly unrelated rule, and if that rule changes, the
punishment could end up changing underneath people's feet.
{
Allow shorter times on naughty step, AI 2, disinterested
Amend Rule 1504 (Criminal Cases) by replacing 7 and 21 with 4 and 21.
[ Four days might seem too short to bother, but becoming inactive at
all can have disadvantages, and there's still a reasonable chance
ninnies will miss a distribution. ]
}
-- Walker
Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Ambassador Abuse
I support. On Jun 28, 2013 12:37 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Jonathan Rouillard jonathan.rouill...@gmail.com wrote: I intend, with Agoran Consent, to flip Ambassador Abuse's recognition to Hostile. I also warn Ambassador Abuse that while impostors may claim that they are the Ambassador of Agora, I am the one holding that office at the moment. Now don't break the game while I'm out camping. =P ~ Roujo Support.
Re: DIS: Ambassador Abuse
I just noticed a contradiction in Ambassador Abuse's original rules, between 3 and 7. Ambassador Abuse does not, and never has had, a CfJ mechanism. So, if Ambassador Abuse's contradiction affects Agora's gamestate, which it almost certainly does, what happens? On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Thu, 2013-06-27 at 23:32 -0400, Sgeo wrote: 1. This is the ruleset of a nomic called Ambassador Abuse 2. There are two languages used by Ambassador Abuse: Ambabusese and English. 3. All communications to Ambassador Abuse are in Ambabusese, but the rules themselves are in English, 4. All communications on Agora's public fora are considered communications to Ambassador Abuse in Ambabusese 5. Ambabusese is a strange language: If Agora would interpret the Ambabusese as transferring a number of Yaks, but failing to transfer Yaks such that both Sgeo and woggle gain at least 1000 Yaks in the week, the Ambabusese meaning is, translated to English, I am the ambassador of Agora nomic. 6. If rule 5 does not specify the meaning of a communication that is in Ambabusese, then the meaning of the Ambabusese is equivalent to the English meaning of ROT13 applied to the communication. 7. Communications in Agora's discussion fora may be considered communications to Ambassador Abuse in English, if stated to be such (in English), and stated by Sgeo or woggle. 8. Sgeo may change any of these rules via a communication to Ambassador Abuse in English. 9. woggle may change any of these rules via a communication to Ambassador Abuse in English. I amend each of rules 2-9 of Ambassador Abuse to read as follows: The player known as ais523 in Agora and woggle in Agora XX can act on behalf of Sgeo to cause Sgeo to send an arbitrary message to any nomic, via posting on a forum generally used to play that nomic.
DIS: Ambassador Abuse
1. This is the ruleset of a nomic called Ambassador Abuse 2. There are two languages used by Ambassador Abuse: Ambabusese and English. 3. All communications to Ambassador Abuse are in Ambabusese, but the rules themselves are in English, 4. All communications on Agora's public fora are considered communications to Ambassador Abuse in Ambabusese 5. Ambabusese is a strange language: If Agora would interpret the Ambabusese as transferring a number of Yaks, but failing to transfer Yaks such that both Sgeo and woggle gain at least 1000 Yaks in the week, the Ambabusese meaning is, translated to English, I am the ambassador of Agora nomic. 6. If rule 5 does not specify the meaning of a communication that is in Ambabusese, then the meaning of the Ambabusese is equivalent to the English meaning of ROT13 applied to the communication. 7. Communications in Agora's discussion fora may be considered communications to Ambassador Abuse in English, if stated to be such (in English), and stated by Sgeo or woggle. 8. Sgeo may change any of these rules via a communication to Ambassador Abuse in English. 9. woggle may change any of these rules via a communication to Ambassador Abuse in English.
Re: DIS: Ambassador Abuse
A communication to Ambassador Abuse: I change rule 6 to read If rule 5 does not specify the meaning of a communication that is in Ambabusese, then the meaning of the Ambabusese is equivalent to the English meaning of ROT13 applied to the communication, as long as that does not mean a denial or retraction of a claim to be an ambassador.
DIS: Re: BUS: Another one
The initiator, the lucky one, and all persons unqualified to judge the associated criminal case are unqualified to judge a recovery case. Additionally, the lucky one is unqualified to judge the associated criminal case. Does this mean that third parties can bar other third parties from judging the criminal case by filing frivolous remedy cases?
DIS: Re: BAK: Re: BUS: blarghfrom Sabrina
To the best of my knowledge, I did not send the above-quoted message and Sabrina Friedman is not the Horton. The preceding sentence is explicitly intended as doubt for the purposes of preventing self-ratification. Pavitra You sent the message that Sabrina sent on July 12 (iirc, I was checking just a second ago, not 100% certain I remember the month from a second ago, wow) A while ago, Reddit was bubbling over with spambots that would just repeat a previously stated comment. I guess a similar thing is hitting mailing lists now?
Re: DIS: 6877-94 unofficial quantum report so far
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Here's some temporary tracking info related to Proposals 6877-94. Rests pre-Rebellion: 14 Tanner L. Swett 1 Wooble 6 Keba Base voting limits if ehird was not a Rebel (CFJ 2897), thus the Rebellion failed: 5 Murphy 10 G. 7 scshunt 5 ais523 (but see below) 5 Yally (but see below) 0 omd 2 ehird 2 Taral 2 Sge 2 Tanner L. Swett 2 Keba 2 Ienpw III 2 Tiger 2 Wooble Who's Sge?
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Tue, 9 Nov 2010, omd wrote: On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Nope. Citizen is not a synonym for registered player. Citizenship is an entity switch with values Unregistered (default)... I had forgotten about that, but that seems to demonstrate that it /is/ a synonym for player, assuming that citizenship = whether or not you are a citizen. That's a stretch to a definition that isn't there or is explicitly superseded, IMO. Anyway, e didn't say citizen of Agora. And welcome. New Player Registration Controversy Rating (NPRCR) 55/100. -G. Would 100/100 be someone accidentally destroying Agora by attempting to register?
DIS: Re: BUS: Elections
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: I initiate Elections for each of the following offices and nominate the corresponding player for the office. ATC: G. Fearmonger: Tiger Granulator: Tanner L Swett Pariah: ehird PSM: Yally Referee: Sgeo I suggest that we repeal the ones that no one wants to do; the proposals to do so for all of the offices except PSM should be trivial to write (and probably PSM should be replaced by something more interesting?) Why would I ever be nominated for anything, especially when I'm (not officially) inactive?
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2867 assigned to Wooble
If and only if ehird will not be compensated in Agora for supporting this appeal in any manner other than props, I support On Sep 22, 2010 7:23 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: On 22 September 2010 20:50, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I intend, with 2 support, to appeal this. An impossible statement implies anything. Just because the rules state a method of recovering from an impossible situation, doesn't mean that that situation can come about in the first place. iSupport from Apple (No, really, I support.)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2867 assigned to Wooble
I appear to have accidentally sent to a-d... would the judge still consider the intended question? Should I resend ttpf? On Sep 23, 2010 12:01 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Sgeo wrote: If and only if ehird will not be compensated in Agora for supporting this appeal in any manner other than props, I support I CFJ on the following statement: Sgeo has supported an intent to appeal CFJ 2867. I bar Sgeo. Arguments: Can you evaluate a conditional based on future considerations as a present action? Evidence: On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Sgeo wrote: If and only if ehird will not be compensated in Agora for supporting this appeal in any manner other than props, I support
DIS: Re: BUS: Tighten the and reward urgency
I want to ear a Farad! On Sep 2, 2010 4:18 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I submit the following proposal, AI-3, Reward Urgency: -- Amend the Rule entitled Urgent Proposals by replacing: The Promotor CAN distribute an Urgent Proposal as soon as it becomes Distributable, and e SHALL do so within four days unless it becomes undistributable in the mean time. Failure to do so is the Class 1 Crime of Lack of Urgency. with: The Promotor CAN distribute an Urgent Proposal as soon as it becomes Distributable, and e SHALL do so within four days unless it becomes undistributable in the mean time. The Assessor SHALL make a reasonable attempt to resolve a decision to adopt an urgent proposal within 4 days of its voting period ending. Failure to meet these deadlines is the Class 1 Crime of Lack of Urgency. and by appending: If the Promotor distributes an Urgent Proposal within 48 hours of its becoming distributable, e ears a farad. If the Assessor resolves a decision to adopt an urgent proposal within 48 hours of its voting period ending, e earns a farad. --
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2847-49 assigned to Wooble
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:12 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 17:07 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: === CFJ 2849 (Interest Index = 0) The Rule enacted by Proposal 6808 refers to coppro when it speaks of The Robot. Caller's Arguments: How does the naming clause of R1586 decide between various entities which existed at the time Proposal 6808 took effect? In particular, there was at least one Proposal with the submitted title The Robot, coppro had selected The Robot as a nickname, and there was a public document submitted by G. that called itself The Robot. Does any one of these claimants to the name have a stronger claim for applying R1586? Gratuitous: comex has been consistently using the name TheRobot on ##nomic (a discussion forum) for several days now. -- ais523 There is a nomic [of admittedly questionable nomicness, but not existence, I think] called The Robot...
Re: BUS: Re: DIS: PM protosal
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Aaron Goldfein
aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 19:24, ag...@kebay.org wrote:
Proposal A Perpepuum mobile is possible (AI=2, II=2, distributable via
fee)
{{{
Enact a new Rule with power=2 entitled Perpepuum mobile:
The Perpepuum mobile (PM) is a person and active player. The PM cannot
be deregistered or become inactive, rules to the contrary notwithstanding.
Powering the PM means awarding the PM two ergs. If the PM does not
possess any ergs and has not possessed any ergs the previous 14 days, the
PM is powered 5 times. The Lab Labour who powered the PM most this week is
known as the Power Spender for this week.
Any Lab Labour except the PM may act on behalf of the PM, if a Rule
explicitly defines a Behalf of the PM action (bot-PM act). Defining a
bot-PM act is secured. The player who acts on behalf of the PM is known as
the Energy Spender of that bot-PM act.
The physicist is an office and should be held by the PM. Its weekly
report contains how often and by whom the PM has been powered, who is the
Energy Spender and a list of all bot-PM actions of the previous seven
days.
If a bot-PM action explicitly states the Energy Spender has to pay a
fee to perform that action, the PM pays an equal high fee (and possibly an
additional fee) before the action is performed. If the PM is not able to
pay such a fee, the action is not performed and the Energy Spender MAY NOT
perform an bot-PM act for the following fourteen days. E is known as a
destructor for this time.
The physicist’s report contains a list of all destructors and Lab
Labours. Attempting to perform a bot-PM act while being a destructor or
not
a Lab Labour is a Class-2 crime of destroying. Attempting to perform a
bot-PM while being a destructor and not a Lab Labour is a Class-3 crime of
destroying the whole laboritory.
Enact a new Rule with power=2 entitled Behalf of the PM actions:
If a bot-PM act causes the PM to earn or award one or more capacitors,
Patent Titles or Ribbons these entities are additionally earned or awarded
by the Energy spender of that bot-PM-act.
If a bot-PM act (the proposing action) causes to submit a proposal and
that proposal causes the PM to earn a number of farads, the Energy Spender
of the proposing action is awarded an equal number of capacitors instead.
If in any of the above cases the Energy Spender who would award or
earn any entity cannot be determined unambiguously, the player who
performs
the latest bot-PM act awards or earns these entities.
If one or more rests would be created in the PM’s possession, an equal
number of rests is created in the treasonous Energy Spender’s possession
instead. The treasonous Energy Spender is the Energy Spender whose bot-PM
act has been most important for the creation of said rest(s), which means
(for example) that bot-PM act has violated a Rule or was decisive to to
cause the PM to hold an office and the PM fails to pull a duty of that
office.
The following are the bot-PM acts: A Lab Labour CAN on behalf of the
PM ...
* ... cause any player to become a Lab Labour for the following week
for a charge of 2 ergs or for a charge of 1 erg if e is the Power Spender.
* ... perform a fee-based action for a charge of one erg. (So, if a
fee-based action requires a charge of N ergs, the Power Spender spends one
erg and the PM spends N+1 ergs.) If performing this action would cause any
player to lose one or more rests, it is ineffective instead.
* ... announce a set of public announcements for a charge of one erg.
* ... vote on a ordinary decision whether to adopt a proposal for a
charge of 2+i (or 1+i, if e is the Power Spender) ergs where i is the
Interest Index of the decision. This means the voting limit of the Energy
Spender is increased by the voting limit the PM would have on said
decision
if it were an eligible voter. If a player has performed this action,
another player CAN NOT perform this bot-PM act for the same decision.
Amend Rule 2282 Energy by replacing the text
For each capacitor destroyed in item (a), an erg is awarded to its
former owner.
with:
For each capacitor destroyed in item (a), an erg is awarded to its
former owner and for each erg destroyed in item (a), it’s former owner
becomes a Lab Labour for this week and e powers the PM once.
Amend Rule 2284 Fee-based actions by adding:
- A Player CAN become a Lab Labour for the following seven days for a
charge of two ergs.
- A Player CAN power the PM for a charge of one erg.
[What does this do? Well, imagine what could be done with a player who
possesses lots of ergs and is controllable by a few ergs. To give some
examples: The fan/team mechanism becomes much more interesting, voting
via the PM is nice and objections, supports etc. can be bought for a low
fee.]
}}}
Is this similar to the AFO? I have not read the
DIS: Get the reference, win an answer to a trivia question!
Fragment: Filomusks are a currency. Filomusks will become unused (extinct) in 3008 days
Re: DIS: Get the reference, win an answer to a trivia question!
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 10:59 AM, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 2:30 AM, Sgeo sgeos...@gmail.com wrote: Fragment: Filomusks are a currency. Filomusks will become unused (extinct) in 3008 days n.b. if you want to submit a fragment, you'll need to use the Public Forum. I didn't actually intend to submit a fragment, I wasn't prepared to think things through and make it decent (although extinction in 3008 days is already quite a bit of a modification)
DIS: Yellow Ribbons?
Shouldn't yellow ribbons be phased out, given the lamentable nonexistence of contests?
Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6682 - 6685
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 6:37 PM, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 6:04 PM, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: Bribes are fun, but I didn't really want to scam an office I haven't even been keeping up with the reports of. As Sgeo just mentioned in ##nomic, I incorrectly awarded Champion to inactive players, who since recently cannot win: Having been inactive within the past week is a Losing Condition. I resign Herald. Do I get to keep Champion anyway? :D. And I'm it's someone else who noticed, and I just complained about my lack of luck in ##nomic.
DIS: Scams that never were, Part 1
None of the rest of this email should be construed as agreeing to any
agreements, the rest of this email notwithstanding.
I agree to the following contract:
{
This is a public pledge. Only Sgeo and $VICTIM, hereafter referred to
as Victim, can agree to this pledge. Sgeo CAN and MAY, by
announcement, change the text of this contract. Victim CANNOT and
SHALL NOT leave this contract without Sgeo's consent. This contract is
the backing document of a currency called Scones, and Sgeo is the
recordkeeper of Scones. Scones can only be transferred or destroyed as
specified by this contract. The Maximum FINE amount of Scones is 1.
Scones CAN be destroyed by any party to this contract, by
announcement. Sgeo CAN and MAY, by announcement, create Scones in any
player's possession.
}
I create one Scone in possession of $VICTIM.
On CFJ 2XXX [which has $VICTIM as the defendent], I find the defendent
GUILTY, with a sentence of FINE: 1 Scone.
DIS: Re: BUS: Votes
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:20 AM, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: To remove ambiguity, I vote FOR each Agoran Decision for which I have not cast a vote. Me too. What's going on?
DIS: Scams that never were, Part 2
None of the rest of this email should be construed as agreeing to any
agreements, the rest of this email notwithstanding.
Unlike the scam in part 1, I [at least I think it was I] discovered
this scam when it was still viable. I didn't understand relative
currency worths, so I talked about it with ais523. As far as I know, e
never acted on it.
I agree to the following public pledge:
{
This is a public pledge called Fair Trade. Only Sgeo and $VICTIM may
agree to this pledge. Upon joining, $VICTIM CAN and SHALL give X units
of currency X to Sgeo. 1 week after this is done, $VICTIM CAN and MAY,
by announcement, act on behalf of Sgeo to cause Sgeo to give $VICTIM Y
units of currency Y.
}
*$VICTIM gives Sgeo currency X.*
As Fair Trade is obsolete, I terminate it.
Re: DIS: Scams that never were, Part 1
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:49 AM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Sgeo sgeos...@gmail.com wrote:
None of the rest of this email should be construed as agreeing to any
agreements, the rest of this email notwithstanding.
I agree to the following contract:
{
This is a public pledge. Only Sgeo and $VICTIM, hereafter referred to
as Victim, can agree to this pledge. Sgeo CAN and MAY, by
announcement, change the text of this contract. Victim CANNOT and
SHALL NOT leave this contract without Sgeo's consent. This contract is
the backing document of a currency called Scones, and Sgeo is the
recordkeeper of Scones. Scones can only be transferred or destroyed as
specified by this contract. The Maximum FINE amount of Scones is 1.
Scones CAN be destroyed by any party to this contract, by
announcement. Sgeo CAN and MAY, by announcement, create Scones in any
player's possession.
}
I create one Scone in possession of $VICTIM.
On CFJ 2XXX [which has $VICTIM as the defendent], I find the defendent
GUILTY, with a sentence of FINE: 1 Scone.
I don't see how this victimizes anyone; it just seems like a fancy way
to sentence someone to DISCHARGE.
The idea is that it forces the victim to join the contract in order to
pay off the fine.
DIS: Threat of invasion during the lull
How possibly would it be for even a smallish invasion force to invade? Are most players still at least reading the emails, despite not contributing? If not, then a much smaller invasion force is a much greater threat than usual.
Re: DIS: Threat of invasion during the lull
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: On Monday, January 11, 2010, Sgeo sgeos...@gmail.com wrote: How possibly would it be for even a smallish invasion force to invade? Are most players still at least reading the emails, despite not contributing? If not, then a much smaller invasion force is a much greater threat than usual. Do you realise that Agora had never been invaded? And will only ever be by perhaps B? Even then they're unlikely to be able to organise themselves sufficiently. This is my schtick. I know Agora's not likely to be invaded, but I think it's interesting to think about.
DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to deregister
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Schrodinger's Cat schrodingers.kat...@gmail.com wrote: I object. On 12/16/09, Schrodinger's Cat schrodingers.kat...@gmail.com wrote: I intend, without objection, to deregister Schrodinger's Cat. -- Sent from my mobile device -- Schrodinger's Cat -- Sent from my mobile device -- Schrodinger's Cat Not sure what the point of that was, but there's another deregistration without objection attempt on you. Also, I could have phrased that better, probably.
DIS: Re: BUS: Deregistrations
I intend, without objection, to deregister Sgeo due to inactivity. I object.
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6542 - 6547
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:16 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Sgeo wrote: --- ID: 6545 Title: Because E's Worth It Author: coppro AI: 3.0 II: 1 Chamber: Red Bestow unto Murphy the title of Hero of Agora Nomic. --- You mean e wasn't already a Hero of Agora Nomic or similar? I picked up the one-off Patent Title of Heroic Notary for catching up on ~6 weeks of backlog once. I remember that (because I proposed it). I just didn't realize that it didn't transfer to one of the new Hero patent titles when those were added. I still wonder where the borderline between Hero (outstanding ... above and beyond the call of duty) and Grand Hero (most exemplary) is considered to lie. Proto: change the latter to obviously and directly responsible for the existence of Agora and/or Nomic in general (Suber and Hofstadter for the latter, Chuck because e authored Agora's initial ruleset; this would also cover resolving a crisis that the players agree would have killed the game otherwise).
DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6542 - 6547
--- ID: 6545 Title: Because E's Worth It Author: coppro AI: 3.0 II: 1 Chamber: Red Bestow unto Murphy the title of Hero of Agora Nomic. --- You mean e wasn't already a Hero of Agora Nomic or similar?
Re: DIS: Proto: The Citrine Repeals
A lot of Agora's ruleset deals with special situations and fringe cases. Perhaps we would be good to separate the ruleset into two bodies of law. A supreme constitution including R101, and the basis of the legislative, judicial, and executive systems, and then all the details and specifics in a second lesser law. Power does this already to some extent, but by separating it out into two different documents new players could be presented with the first (the basics) to get started and then reference the second as they gained experience. BobTHJ FOR
DIS: Re: BUS: [Promotor] blah
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 6:15 PM, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: It's been pointed out to me that I'm violating the rules by not reporting on the Distributability of proposals that aren't in the pool anymore. I resign as Promotor. I create 24 Rests in my possession; this may or may not be enough to cover my pass violations. I play Stool Pigeon, naming Wooble. I deregister Wooble. I transfer one prop from comex to coppro, for comex's deregistration of Wooble.
DIS: NoV issue?
[[A player CAN publish a Notice of Violation (with N support, where N is the number of valid un-Closed Notices of Violation e previously published during the same week, or by announcement if N is zero) alleging that a single entity (the Accused) has broken a Rule.]] Note that the above is sometimes an announcement, and sometimes not. [[ As soon as possible after a player makes an announcement that is reasonably recognizable as an attempt to issue such a notice, the Insulator SHALL announce whether the Notice was valid. Such an announcement is self-ratifying. Affirming the validity of the notice does not in itself certify the correctness of the allegation.]] after a player makes an annoucement, but publishing an NoV isn't always an announcement.
DIS: My Presto! card
I believe there are at least two people who want my Presto! card. What are your offers?
DIS: Bank with automatic price adjustments The Goods style?
The system used by the guild The Goods in A Tale In The Desert is described in http://wiki.atitd.net/tale3/Guilds/The_Goods/FAQ/The_System . How would a bank based on such a system work out in Agora?
Re: DIS: Question
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: ehird wrote: 2009/8/11 Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com: When you try to scam an office, you should expect reprisals Pot, kettle. What I meant to add (but may have mistakenly left out when I went on to discuss hypotheticals) is that, yes, I have tried to scam offices myself (sometimes successfully) and I expected reprisals myself. I haven't been paying much attention. What offices have you scammed?
Re: DIS: Speaking of fora...
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Elliott Hirdpenguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/8/7 ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk: On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 10:51 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: I think the irc logger needs a restart. -G. Done, thanks for letting me know. -- ais523 while true; do ./loggic; done What if it stopped working in such a way that the process was still running?
Re: DIS: Straw Poll: agora-actions
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, comex wrote: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Non-recordkeepors, however, won't. Actually, it will be a positive pain for recordkeepors (searching multiple archives), for whom I have more sympathy. I don't; there's no reason to be using the agoranomic.org archives, which are handy in a pinch but pretty clunky. I have every reason to do so; it's my preferred way to look back at most things. -G. What about http://www.mail-archive.com/agora-busin...@agoranomic.org/ etc.?
DIS: Re: BUS: Flag Candidate
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Geoffrey Speargeoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:08 PM, ais523callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I object to all current intents to create Flag Candidates. me too. Does that include the one with the wrench?
DIS: Re: BUS: AAAAAAAAAA! Again
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Kenner Gordonkenner...@gmail.com wrote: Never mind, I had forgotten that I could use a digest. I do not deregister. -- *** You have died *** Would you like to RESTART, REPLY to this e-mail, or QUIT? Hi there, Warrigal II (Warrigal's known for accidentally deregistering emself a lot). I'm pretty sure it's impossible to cancel a deregistration, although do see what other people say about it.
DIS: Framework Nomic
Announcing Framework Nomic at http://groups.google.com/group/framework-nomic . The idea is to be a nomic that is entirely contract based. As much as possible will be effectively privatized, including the judicial system. http://groups.google.com/group/framework-nomic/web/base-draft is my current idea for the base ruleset. Note that it is in horrible condition, needs to be fixed up, and probably has numerous bugs, but it's a start.
DIS: Negotiations continued [attn: Murphy]
To be honest, I don't find the current position card you hold
appealing. Perhaps we could join a contract where I'd name you as
mentor, then at a later point, I can cause you to give me cards?
I do not agree to the below contract at this time:
{
This is a public contract. Murphy and Sgeo CAN and MAY join this
contract by announcement. No one else CAN join this contract.
Sgeo SHALL, as soon as possible after Murphy joins this contract, name
Murphy as Sgeo's mentor.
Sgeo CAN and MAY, by announcement, act on behalf of Murphy to cause
Murphy to give Sgeo one card. This can only be done 7 times, after
which Sgeo CAN NOT act on behalf of Murphy in this way.
Sgeo SHALL, at least 100 years after Murphy joins this contract, post
a message to the public forum with the content foobar.
}
DIS: Re: BUS: Going on hold
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:16 PM, comexcom...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:37 PM, comexcom...@gmail.com wrote:
Starting tomorrow I will be unable to send or receive messages for two
weeks. Accordingly, I go on hold. After publishing this week's SLR
I'll resign Rulekeepor; if anyone wants to keep track of the ruleset
for two weeks, respond and I'll name you as my successor to avoid
delay.
Nobody?
Well, I think it's kind of silly to lose service awards just because I
go on a trip.
I agree to the following contract: { This is a public contract and a
pledge. Anyone CAN send messages on my behalf containing a report
purporting to be the Short Logical Ruleset (and no other reports or
game actions). E SHALL ensure, to the best of eir ability, that the
report is accurate and not misleading. When I get back, I will
equitably distribute any cards I get as the result of this + extra to
the executors. }
If nobody takes me up on the offer, I'll accept the rests.
Last I checked (it was a while ago), if you don't do the reports, you
lose Service.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Going on hold
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Sgeosgeos...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:16 PM, comexcom...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:37 PM, comexcom...@gmail.com wrote:
Starting tomorrow I will be unable to send or receive messages for two
weeks. Accordingly, I go on hold. After publishing this week's SLR
I'll resign Rulekeepor; if anyone wants to keep track of the ruleset
for two weeks, respond and I'll name you as my successor to avoid
delay.
Nobody?
Well, I think it's kind of silly to lose service awards just because I
go on a trip.
I agree to the following contract: { This is a public contract and a
pledge. Anyone CAN send messages on my behalf containing a report
purporting to be the Short Logical Ruleset (and no other reports or
game actions). E SHALL ensure, to the best of eir ability, that the
report is accurate and not misleading. When I get back, I will
equitably distribute any cards I get as the result of this + extra to
the executors. }
If nobody takes me up on the offer, I'll accept the rests.
Last I checked (it was a while ago), if you don't do the reports, you
lose Service.
Never mind.
DIS: A Facebook Nomic
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=21692852114ref=ts Might we want to open relations with them?
DIS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Still No Witty Name Report
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: Murphy ROGCBK MUVIY 11 How much would Murphy be willing to give me in order for me to name em as my mentor?
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Still No Witty Name Report
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Sgeo wrote: On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: Murphy ROGCBK MUVIY 11 How much would Murphy be willing to give me in order for me to name em as my mentor? What would you like? What I would like, of course, is all the assets you can possibly give me. I doubt that that's happening though.
DIS: Re: BUS: Enigma results
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:02 AM, ais523callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Again, no puzzles this week or last week. Come on, people; now point output has been reduced, points are more valuable than ever; and when nobody else is submitting puzzles, the potential rewards for them are larger (based on the new rules changes). When I get around to it, I have a puzzle to submit..
DIS: Re: BUS: Last-minute Spending
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: I spend E E to give ais523 an E Note. I spend E E to destroy one of Sgeo's Rests. Thank you.
DIS: Re: BUS: http://agora-notary.wikidot.com/2009-05-23-ehird
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Elliott Hirdpenguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: I transfer a prop from myself to Sgeo because xx. It was for getting your Three Worlds Collide reference. I wonder how the above would be notated in Airstrip One.
DIS: Unposted AWJ Back Journals
I have in my email archive issues from the AWJ dated after March 2007, which is the latest one available from Murphy's site.
DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6344-6354
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Geoffrey Speargeoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: Disclaimer: The text of proposals below may or may not be correct. I've had to guess what each person submitting a proposal intended to type into their email client when submitting a message. It's entirely possible this entire distribution is ineffective. This distribution of proposals 6344-6354 initiates the Agoran Decisions on whether to adopt them. The eligible voters for ordinary proposals are the active players, the eligible voters for democratic proposals are the active first-class players, and the vote collector is the Assessor. The valid options on each decision are FOR, AGAINST, and PRESENT. NUM C I AI SUBMITTER TITLE 6344 O 1 1.0 BobTHJ Nicked Off AGAINST - That definition of Mentally Assaulting an Officer is useless 6345 D 2 3.0 Pavitra Time travel FOR, unless there's reason to believe that this can hurt Agora. 6346 O 2 1.0 coppro Ribbon oops 6347 O 0 1.0 coppro Ribbon cleanup FOR 6348 O 1 1.0 coppro B Friends FOR, although tbh I preferred the old B. 6349 D 1 2.0 Pavitra Newbie Friendly FOR 6350 O 1 1.7 coppro none AGAINST - What if there's eventually a real conflict with rules that for some reason, mention woodchucks? 6351 D 2 2.0 C-walker none FOR 6352 O 0 1.0 Murphy Begin at the beginning FOR 6353 D 1 2.0 Murphy s/object/either FOR 6354 D 1 2.0 ais523 Sensible Rest destruction AGAINST -- It's probably my imagination, but I think that could be interpreted to mean that once those conditions come about, anyone can destroy any rests..
DIS: Re: BUS: I'm lazy
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: For each Agoran Decision currently in its voting period, if FOR is a valid option for that decision, I cast a number of ballots FOR on that decision equal to my voting limit on that decision. If you're that lazy, why not just vote PRESENT on everything, or just not vote? I don't think people should vote FOR things they haven't read.
DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: IADoP CAN and SHALL
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:32 PM, comexcom...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Tue, 26 May 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: Aaron Goldfein wrote: Proposal: IADoP CAN and SHALL (AI = 2, II = 1): I intend, with 3 support, to make the quoted proposal distributable. I support. -G. Proposal: 3 support is boring Amend Rule 1607 (The Promotor) by replacing: A player CAN flip a specified proposal to Distributable with 3 Support, or by spending 1 Note. with: A player CAN flip a specified proposal to Distributable by spending 1 Note. I spend a G# note to make this Distributable. I flip my key to G. I really don't like this. It makes it difficult for new players to start submitting proposals,
DIS: Re: BUS: Lurking
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:38 AM, Paul VanKoughnett allisp...@gmail.com wrote: I retract my proposal Very little to no lurk time. Please respond if you believe you deserve the Patent Title of Not A Lurker. I'll resubmit when I have a more complete list. Who has the longest lurk time? I have approx 3-4 years of lurking..
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: Get off my lawn! Even I lurked for a month or two :P I've lurked since 2005... kind of. I was interested in Agora in 2005, but did not participate, nor did I ask to be a watcher. I was subscribed to a-d, but nothing else. I eventually got bored, but stayed subscribed.
DIS: Re: BUS: Contest: Wizard's Fued
As soon as possible after a first-class person joins this contract for the first time the contestmaster CAN and SHALL create three Cauldrons and three Vials (each with one random component) in the possession of that person. So what happens when the second first-class person joins? I know it's meant to be for each first-class person, but..
DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Nicked Off
Selecting a nickname that contains more than 20 characters, or more than two non-alphanumeric characters is the class 5 crime of Mentally Assaulting an Officer, unless at the same time as the selection the player changing nicknames supplies a suitable abbreviation which fits the required definition. I change my nickname to 27478375927%832$83621 Alternatively, I change my nickname to *, the abbreviation is !!
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: hello all
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: I change my nickname to You May Call Me Big Fucking Edward. Three Worlds Collide?
Re: DIS: Fwd: [aerican] Aerica Day, 5/8/2009, 12:00 am
With less than 56 invaders in Parrwater, any Senator we elect there can be impeached by the populace of Parrwater.. assuming that they're paying attention.
Re: DIS: Fwd: [aerican] Aerica Day, 5/8/2009, 12:00 am
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Sgeo sgeos...@gmail.com wrote: With less than 56 invaders in Parrwater, any Senator we elect there can be impeached by the populace of Parrwater.. assuming that they're paying attention. Number of invaders needed to impeach the current Senator of Parrwater: 2, counting Murphy.
Re: DIS: Fwd: [aerican] Aerica Day, 5/8/2009, 12:00 am
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Sgeo sgeos...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Sgeo sgeos...@gmail.com wrote: With less than 56 invaders in Parrwater, any Senator we elect there can be impeached by the populace of Parrwater.. assuming that they're paying attention. Number of invaders needed to impeach the current Senator of Parrwater: 2, counting Murphy. *Senators
Re: DIS: Fwd: [aerican] Aerica Day, 5/8/2009, 12:00 am
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Sgeo sgeos...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Sgeo sgeos...@gmail.com wrote: With less than 56 invaders in Parrwater, any Senator we elect there can be impeached by the populace of Parrwater.. assuming that they're paying attention. Number of invaders needed to impeach the current Senator of Parrwater: 2, counting Murphy. Make that 3, I think.
Re: DIS: Fwd: [aerican] Aerica Day, 5/8/2009, 12:00 am
let i = number of invaders needed let c = number of loyal citizens in the colony i = ceil(c/5) Note that this does not take into account attempts at impeaching the invaders. For that, data on who is active and inactive in the colony is needed. Population data from http://www.aeri can empire.com/pep2.html (spaces added in case some Aerican randomly searches for links to there) Parrwater: 3 invaders needed. Psyche: 6 invaders needed. Retsaot Island: 5 invaders needed.
Re: DIS: Fwd: [aerican] Aerica Day, 5/8/2009, 12:00 am
Didn't they say that we were rejected as a micronation because we claimed no land? Perhaps we could claim land someplace like Metaplace or Whirled or SL? (SL is costly, but for a small area, I can afford it)
Re: DIS: Fwd: [aerican] Aerica Day, 5/8/2009, 12:00 am
Let i = number of invaders needed to prevent the Aericans from impeaching our Senators Let c = the number of active and aware members of a colony i = 5c+1 Anyone willing to collect the data on activity and inactivity?
Re: DIS: Fwd: [aerican] Aerica Day, 5/8/2009, 12:00 am
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Sgeo sgeos...@gmail.com wrote: Let i = number of invaders needed to prevent the Aericans from impeaching our Senators Let c = the number of active and aware members of a colony i = 5c+1 Anyone willing to collect the data on activity and inactivity? Assuming that everyone in the regions are active results in prohibitively large numbers. Also, otherwise inactive people may go active if sent a notice of what's going on and what they are expected to do to fight it.
Re: DIS: Fwd: [aerican] Aerica Day, 5/8/2009, 12:00 am
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 12:16 AM, Sgeo sgeos...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Sgeo sgeos...@gmail.com wrote: Let i = number of invaders needed to prevent the Aericans from impeaching our Senators Let c = the number of active and aware members of a colony i = 5c+1 When c 20 When c20, impeachment cannot be stopped.
Re: DIS: Fwd: [aerican] Aerica Day, 5/8/2009, 12:00 am
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Sgeo sgeos...@gmail.com wrote: let i = number of invaders needed let c = number of loyal citizens in the colony i = ceil(c/5) Note that this does not take into account attempts at impeaching the invaders. For that, data on who is active and inactive in the colony is needed. Population data from http://www.aeri can empire.com/pep2.html (spaces added in case some Aerican randomly searches for links to there) Parrwater: 3 invaders needed. Psyche: 6 invaders needed. Retsaot Island: 5 invaders needed. I'm going to risk incurring coppro's wrath, and say that these numbers are ***IMPEACHMENT*** numbers, not invasion numbers. When the election to fill the empty seats occurs, we'd need to have a majority in the region.
Re: BUS: Re: DIS: More invasion thoughts
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote:
On Tue, 2009-05-05 at 21:28 -0400, Sgeo wrote:
Making it so that only one new person a day can register might slow
down invasions. Perhaps making it so that only 2 people can register
in any given block of two consecutive days might also help in the case
that two people happen to try to register in one day.
Classification scheme for invasion sizes:
I propose the following proposal (AI-1, Title=Sgeo, full time):
Create a power-1 rule with the following text:
{{{
The Officer for Homeland Security is an office.
The Officer for Homeland Security SHOULD regularly attempt to comment
on, or propose proposals to strengthen, Agora's mechanisms for resisting
invasions by large numbers of nonplayers.
}}}
Unless e objected between the time this proposal was proposed and the
time it was adopted, install Sgeo as Officer for Homeland Security.
--
ais523
Does that rule have a title, because it looks like the title you gave
is for the proposal.
Also, I think this is just a phase. I've been fantasizing about a war
between Agora and the Aerican Empire for some reason.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Power CFJs
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote:
On Wed, 6 May 2009, Sean Hunt wrote:
Kerim Aydin wrote:
On Wed, 6 May 2009, Sean Hunt wrote:
Each of the following CFJs are Interest Index 2:
I CFJ {It is POSSIBLE to enact a power-4 rule reading in part {This rule
takes precedence over all other rules.}}
[etc]
Gratuitous:
When talking about what is possible by changing the rules anything can
change. These should all be TRUE, as it is possible to remove the
blocking section of R1482 (removing it would not in itself change
precedence so it doesn't block its own removal) and then enact any of
these within the same proposal.
-Goethe
Gratuitous:
The possibility or illegality of an action cannot take into
consideration the ability to change the rules or else all such inquiries
would be TRUE - it is referring just to the ability to do that precise
action.
I agree with you unless the action in question involves changing a rule.
But the action in question doesn't involve changing the rule that
would need to be changed.
DIS: Invasions and Terrible Proposals
Suppose that, for some reason, a Terrible Proposal is on the ballot. A large invasion force may join, say, a day before the Assessor is due to asses the proposal, and vote FOR it. Unless 3 Senators are on constant surveillance for such things, it may be impossible to stop the proposal being voted in.
DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Second-class judges
On 5/5/09, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Proposal: Second-class judges (AI = 2, please) [Now that second-class registration is restricted, other restrictions can be loosened up.] Amend Rule 1868 (Judge Assignment Generally) by removing first-class from this text: The entities qualified to be assigned as judge of a judicial case are the active first-class players, Create a rule titled Second-Class Judges with Power 2 and this text: If any first-class member of a second-class person's basis would be unqualified to judge a given judicial case, even if e were registered, active, standing, hemming-and-hawing, and Supreme, then that second-class person is unqualified to judge that case. Shouldn't a basis only consist of first-class persons? If not, there's a bug.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Pruning
On 5/5/09, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Tue, 2009-05-05 at 11:18 -0600, Sam Benner wrote: I vote for this proposal. It hasn't been distributed yet; wait until the Promotor publishes a distribution of proposals, then you can vote on it. (It's more convenient voting on a distribution than on proposals when they're submitted, anyway.) What I sometimes do is make a pledge allowing anyone to cause me to vote the way that I want .
DIS: More invasion thoughts
Making it so that only one new person a day can register might slow down invasions. Perhaps making it so that only 2 people can register in any given block of two consecutive days might also help in the case that two people happen to try to register in one day. Classification scheme for invasion sizes: Class 0: Can't even block an AI=3 proposal Class 1: Can block an AI=3 proposal that every non-invader votes FOR and every invader votes AGAINST Class 2: Can block an AI=2 proposal that every non-invader votes FOR and every invader votes AGAINST Class 3: Can block a Democratic AI=1 proposal that every non-invader votes FOR and every invader votes AGAINST _or_ Can pass a democratic AI=1 proposal that every invader votes FOR and every non-invader votes AGAINST (there may be a 1 person difference between the two definitions) Class 4: Can pass an AI=2 proposal that every invader votes FOR and every non-invader votes AGAINST Class 5: Can pass an AI=3 proposal that every invader votes FOR and every non-invader votes AGAINST
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: gwen's pledge
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Rodlen rodlenj...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com wrote: i pledge that any future e-mail i send to agora will be signed with 'gwen' to minimize confusion. -gwen Seriously, get your own email address. For the good of all. But this sort of confusion is fun to sort out.. at least once. Then, when the dust settles, a separate email address would make sense.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fix a flaw in our anti-invasion plan
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/5/2 Sgeo sgeos...@gmail.com: Any thoughts on testing any plans? Either for real, by telling /b/ about Agora, or simulation (let several players control 1,000 first-class players, and a way to guard against the fallout when the simulation ends). Sgeo and Anonymous -in- /B/ NOMIC #1 Sgeo!SgEo$ter 2009-05-02 16:17 Hey guys I found this awesome game we should invade for the lulz http://agoranomic.org/ #2 Anonymous 2009-05-02 16:19 gtfo #3 Anonymous 2009-05-02 16:24 /B/ IS NOT YOUR PERSONAL ARMY #3 Anonymous 2009-05-02 16:34 lol what kind of shitty game is that anyway I think we're safe. If we wanted to get /b/ to invade, we'd tell them Here's a game you might like to play:, not Please invade Now that I think about it though, I think a /b/ invasion force would be more likely to attack agoranomic.org and the other servers we rely on, than to attempt to work within our rules.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fix a flaw in our anti-invasion plan
Any thoughts on making an in-Agora simulation?
DIS: Re: BUS: Recordkeepors' destruction power considered harmful
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Benjamin Caplan celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: Geoffrey Spear wrote: I destroy all of the Ribbons in the possession of Murphy, ais523, coppro, and comex. That was unnecessarily vengeful, and (unlike the scam's CotC abuse) difficult to reverse. I nominate Murphy, ais523, coppro, and comex for Tailor. Pavitra What's so difficult? Just make a proposal of appropriate power to reverse.
DIS: Re: BUS: [Enigma] Now officially a Champion's Contest!
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote: Zing! Vext cwm fly jabs Kurd qoph Will we all get to learn what the Clues were?
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fix a flaw in our anti-invasion plan
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: comex wrote: On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I just realized that one of the voting-limit 0 methods (which basically involves the Grand Poobah pulling out a very illegal but very valid machine gun) doesn't rely on the Senate. Surely this only works on ordinary proposals. Yes, but an Ordinary proposal has sufficient power to exile anyone (the more I think of it, the more I come to think that this hole should be seriously considered a bug and fixed. I shouldn't have the ability to exile every other player in the game.) Yes, but ordinary proposals can be forced Democratic by invaders..
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fix a flaw in our anti-invasion plan
Any thoughts on testing any plans? Either for real, by telling /b/ about Agora, or simulation (let several players control 1,000 first-class players, and a way to guard against the fallout when the simulation ends).
DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: I tried to post a thesis to the public forum recently but it was held for approval due to being too long. Until it turns up, have a version sent as a compressed attachment to save on size. I hereby publish the document attached to the email as a thesis, if possible. (Otherwise, I'll have to wait for the full text version to be unblocked.) -- ais523 Who was playing without reading the rules?
DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Decriminalize restricted actions
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I retract the previous version of this proposal. Proposal: Decriminalize restricted actions (AI = 3, please) Amend Rule 2125 (Regulation Regulations) by replacing this text: d) The rules explicitly state that it MAY be performed while certain conditions are satisfied. Such an action MAY NOT be performed except as allowed by the rules. with this text: d) The rules explicitly state that it MAY be performed while certain conditions are satisfied. Except as allowed by the rules, performing such an action is the Class-N Crime of Restricted Behavior, where N is the maximum power of the rules explicitly allowing it (rounded up as needed to become a valid Class of Crime). .So if we MAY do it, we may not do it?
DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Okay, you're not playing anymore
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: Proposal: Okay, you're not playing anymore (AI = 2) Change the text of Rule 2130 (Activity) that reads: A player who has been continuously Inactive for at least three months CAN be deregistered by any other player without objection. This is a means of honorable deregistration. to read: A player who has been continuously Inactive for at least six months CAN be deregistered by any other player by announcement. A player who has been continuously Inactive for at least three months but no more than six months CAN be deregistered by any other player without objection. These are both means of honorable deregistration. End Proposal This just provides a motive to get active without actually playing.
Re: DIS: Re: BAK: Is a-b a forum?
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Sun, 2009-04-12 at 13:53 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Almost certainly Murphy; IIRC, the first time a-b broke was after I joined, and Murphy's been CotC continuously ever since. We've certainly had downtimes before then. I think there was one not long after *I* first joined. Oh dear. Let's hope this either comes back TRUE, or that we can reconstruct gamestate. Self-ratification isn't particularly helpful if the reports go to the wrong forum... I think I'm Chaotic Evil.. I'm perversely rooting for FALSE because I love crises like this.
DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Census
WATCHERS (3) Nickname E-mail address Requested Dave davidni...@gmail.com 06 Jan 03 Phlogistique noe.rubinst...@gmail.com 16 Sep 08 Steve steven.gard...@arts.monash.edu.au 20 Dec 07 (last confirmed Apr 09) We're culling unconfirmed watchers now?
DIS: Re: BUS: Wolfsbane, take two
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I intend, without member objection, to amend the Werewolves contract by appending this text: *) This contract hereby terminates. Did someone forget to do something? Or is there literally no interest in Werewolves right now?
DIS: Re: BUS: SGVsbG8sIHdvcmxkIQ==
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: Q0ZKOiB7VGhpcyBDRkogZXhpc3RzLn0= What's with the strange character at the end of the subject?
DIS: Re: BUS: SGVsbG8sIHdvcmxkIQ==
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Sgeo sgeos...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: Q0ZKOiB7VGhpcyBDRkogZXhpc3RzLn0= What's with the strange character at the end of the subject? Nevermind.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6152-6164
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:29 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote:
Wooble wrote:
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote:
Sean Hunt wrote:
I CFJ {Warrigal has, at the time of this message, voted on proposal 6164}.
I FAIL.
That's probably not sufficiently clear to initiate a CFJ.
In context, I consider I FAIL. a reasonable synonym for TTttPF, but
then the judicial system shot down AOL! as a synonym for Me too!
which I also thought was reasonable.
Suggestion: coppro, retract this (alleged) case and initiate a copy.
Why does it matter if someone successfully or unsuccessfully says TTttPF?
DIS: Re: BUS: [Scorekeepor] Contestmaster awards
On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Taral tar...@gmail.com wrote: I award 20 points to Murphy as contestmaster of the FRC. The AAA is no longer a contest. The reading of the rule is a bit strange here, but I'm going to say Wooble doesn't care. No points. I publish an NoV accusing Taral of violating R2234 I'm going to say maybe Wooble does care. *Captain Obvious to the rescue*
DIS: Re: BUS: [pseudo-IADoP] elections update
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: The nomination period for several elections has recently closed. Decisions CANNOT begin (nor new nomination periods begin) until we have an IADoP, or until a week after today. However, here is the election status: Consenting Nominees Herald: Sgeo, Goethe What about Yally?
DIS: I think I was mistaken about the MwPs.
Why would BobTHJ lose eir MwPship? pikhq should have lost it after ais523+AFO won. BobTHJ then loses MwPship when comex wins. ais523 gains Speakership.
