DIS: Agora XX: 5th report
Good day Agorans, Since last report, proposals 305 and 306 were adopted, and 307 failed. This adds two new mutable rules. 305 forbids bribery, and 306 allows points to be transfered by announcement. The current ruleset is included at the end of this message. The passage of 305 (Chuck) was 2:1 with Chuck and Yally FOR, Walker AGAINST. (omd PRESENT, but this does nothing, not even for quorum.) By rule 302, Chuck gets 10 points and Walker 2. The passage of 306 (omd) was 2:0 with omd and Walker FOR. By rule 302, omd gets 10 points. Proposal 307 (omd) failed 1:1 with omd FOR and Walker AGAINST. Michael Norrish registered. The peer pressure was too much for scshunt, who also registered. Quorum is still 2 by rule 201. The eight Voters and their scores are: The Voters and their scores are: omd, 54 points FSX, 0 points Walker, 42 points Chuck, 48 points ehird, 30 points Yally, 0 points. Michael, 0 points. scshunt, 0 points. Then there's me, I am Speaker, I have no points. There are 3 new proposals, quoted in separate messages. Voting on 308 and 309 is still open for about 12 hours, and 310 for about 24 hours. Cast your ballots! Cheers, Daniel Mehkeri -- Rule 101 (Immutable) All players must always abide by all the rules then in effect, in the form in which they are then in effect. The rules in the Initial Set are in effect at the beginning of the first game. The Initial Set consists of rules 101-116 (immutable) and 201-219 (mutable). History: Initial Immutable Rule 101, Jun. 30 1993 -- Rule 102 (Immutable) Initially rules in the 100's are immutable and rules in the 200's are mutable. Rules subsequently enacted or transmuted (that is, changed from immutable to mutable or vice versa) may be immutable or mutable regardless of their numbers, and rules in the Initial Set may be transmuted regardless of their numbers. History: Initial Immutable Rule 102, Jun. 30 1993 -- Rule 103 (Immutable) At any time, each player shall be either a Voter or the Speaker; no player may simultaneously be a Voter and a Speaker. At any time there shall be exactly one Speaker. The term player in the rules shall specifically include both the Voters and the Speaker. History: Initial Immutable Rule 103, Jun. 30 1993 -- Rule 104 (Immutable) The Speaker for the Vigintennial game shall be Daniel Méhkeri. History: Initial Immutable Rule 104, Jun. 30 1993 Amended for Vigintennial by decree, Jun. 17 2013 -- Rule 105 (Immutable) A rule change is any of the following: (1) the enactment, repeal, or amendment of a mutable rule; or (2) the transmutation of an immutable rule into a mutable rule or vice versa. (Note: This definition implies that, at least initially, all new rules are mutable; immutable rules, as long as they are immutable, may not be amended or repealed; mutable rules, as long as they are mutable, may be amended or repealed; any rule of any status may be transmuted; no rule is absolutely immune to change.) History: Initial Immutable Rule 105, Jun. 30 1993 -- Rule 106 (Immutable) All rule changes proposed in the proper way shall be voted on. They will be adopted if and only if they receive the required number of votes and quorum is achieved. History: Initial Immutable Rule 106, Jun. 30 1993 -- Rule 107 (Immutable) Any proposed rule change must be posted to the mailing list designated by the Speaker for this purpose. If adopted, it must guide play in the form in which it was voted on. History: Initial Immutable Rule 107, Jun. 30 1993 Amended for Vigintennial by decree, Jun. 17 2013 -- Rule 108 (Immutable) No rule change may take effect earlier than the moment of the completion of the vote that adopted it, even if its wording explicitly states otherwise. No rule change may have retroactive application. History: Initial Immutable Rule 108, Jun. 30 1993 -- Rule 109 (Immutable) The Speaker shall give each proposed rule change a number for reference. The numbers shall begin with 301, and each rule change proposed in the proper way shall receive the next successive integer, whether or not the proposal is adopted. If a rule is repealed and reenacted, it receives the number of the proposal to reenact it. If a rule is amended or transmuted, it receives the number of the proposal to amend or transmute it. History: Initial Immutable Rule 109, Jun. 30 1993
Re: DIS: Agora XX: 5th report
-- Rule 306 (Mutable) A player may transfer . to another player by posting to that effect on the mailing list. History: Enacted by Proposal 306 (omd), Jun. 21 2013 -- I transfer 25 points from omd to FSX. I transfer 20 points from Walker to Yally. I transfer 20 points from Chuck to Michael. I transfer 20 points from ehird to scshunt. I transfer 10 points from myself to Murphy. -Goethe.
Re: DIS: Agora XX: 5th report
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I transfer 25 points from omd to FSX. I transfer 20 points from Walker to Yally. I transfer 20 points from Chuck to Michael. I transfer 20 points from ehird to scshunt. I transfer 10 points from myself to Murphy. -Goethe. I invoke judgement on whether Rule 304 had the power to repeal itself without that rule change being voted on. I think that all rule changes must be voted on and cannot occur automatically. I propose the following amendment to Rule 306: A player may transfer points to another player by posting to that effect on the mailing list. When this amendment is adopted, for each transfer away from the points' owner by another player since this proposal was submitted, that transfer is reversed if possible. -scshunt
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On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I transfer 25 points from omd to FSX. I transfer 20 points from Walker to Yally. I transfer 20 points from Chuck to Michael. I transfer 20 points from ehird to scshunt. I transfer 10 points from myself to Murphy. -Goethe. I invoke judgement on whether Rule 304 had the power to repeal itself without that rule change being voted on. I think that all rule changes must be voted on and cannot occur automatically. I propose the following amendment to Rule 306: A player may transfer points to another player by posting to that effect on the mailing list. When this amendment is adopted, for each transfer away from the points' owner by another player since this proposal was submitted, that transfer is reversed if possible. -scshunt AGAINST
Re: DIS: Agora XX: 5th report
On Fri, 21 Jun 2013, Aaron Goldfein wrote: I propose the following amendment to Rule 306: A player may transfer points to another player by posting to that effect on the mailing list. When this amendment is adopted, for each transfer away from the points' owner by another player since this proposal was submitted, that transfer is reversed if possible. -scshunt I vote AGAINST this. (This doesn't actually fix the bug, btw, and the second part of the bug was possible negative points). -Goethe
Re: DIS: Agora XX: 5th report
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Fri, 21 Jun 2013, Aaron Goldfein wrote: I propose the following amendment to Rule 306: A player may transfer points to another player by posting to that effect on the mailing list. When this amendment is adopted, for each transfer away from the points' owner by another player since this proposal was submitted, that transfer is reversed if possible. -scshunt I vote AGAINST this. (This doesn't actually fix the bug, btw, and the second part of the bug was possible negative points). -Goethe I also don't think it would even have the desired effect because you put stuff about this amendment into the text of a rule, which makes no sense.
DIS: Agora XX: 5th report
On Friday, June 21, 2013, Kerim Aydin wrote: I vote AGAINST this. (This doesn't actually fix the bug, btw, and the second part of the bug was possible negative points). IMHO, only a moron in a hurry would interpret the wording as having either bug. I would invoke judgement on the matter, but I'm exhausted and about to run out of battery :)
Re: DIS: Agora XX: 5th report
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 8:02 PM, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, June 21, 2013, Kerim Aydin wrote: I vote AGAINST this. (This doesn't actually fix the bug, btw, and the second part of the bug was possible negative points). IMHO, only a moron in a hurry would interpret the wording as having either bug. I would invoke judgement on the matter, but I'm exhausted and about to run out of battery :) I invoke judgement on whether or not Goethe's transfers succeeded. -scshunt
