Re: DIS: Re: BUS: @Arbitor Blots CFJ

2021-07-14 Thread Falsifian via agora-discussion
On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 11:47:14PM +0100, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote:
> On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 15:40 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
> wrote:
> > Those arguments seem quite confusing, but this seems rather simple?  If
> > Person A and B are tied for the lead in something, does Person A have the
> > most?  No, Person B has just as much.  And vice versa.  There is no person
> > with the most, so nobody gets it.  The End?
> 
> I think the argument is that because the rule uses "the", it implies
> that exactly one such person exists, and thus creates a legal fiction
> that one such person exists: we merely have to figure out who.
> 
> I don't think the argument holds up, but it's an interesting direction
> to go in.
> 
> -- 
> ais523
> 

Yes, that's what I had in mind.

-- 
Falsifian


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: @Arbitor Blots CFJ

2021-07-12 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 15:40 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
wrote:
> Those arguments seem quite confusing, but this seems rather simple?  If
> Person A and B are tied for the lead in something, does Person A have the
> most?  No, Person B has just as much.  And vice versa.  There is no person
> with the most, so nobody gets it.  The End?

I think the argument is that because the rule uses "the", it implies
that exactly one such person exists, and thus creates a legal fiction
that one such person exists: we merely have to figure out who.

I don't think the argument holds up, but it's an interesting direction
to go in.

-- 
ais523



DIS: Re: BUS: @Arbitor Blots CFJ

2021-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/12/2021 12:39 PM, Falsifian via agora-business wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 03:12:18PM +1000, Rebecca Lee via agora-business 
> wrote:
>> I call a CFJ: Each player may claim a justice card this Agoran week.
>>
>> Rule 2478 states in relevant part "The player who initiated the most Finger
>> Pointings that resulted
>>
>>   in a Warning, Indictment, or Cold Hand of Justice in the previous
>>   Agoran Week CAN once grant emself a Justice Card by announcement."
>>
>> The rule provides nothing about ties. Last Agoran week, everybody was
>> tied in having pointed 0 such fingers. Does that mean everyone gets
>> one, or that only a singular 'player'  can get one?
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> From R. Lee
> 
> I don't think it works, but just in case:
> 
> I grant myself a Justice Card.
> 
> Gratuitous argument:
> 
> {
> 
> I suspect this is either DISMISS or PARADOXICAL.
> 

Those arguments seem quite confusing, but this seems rather simple?  If
Person A and B are tied for the lead in something, does Person A have the
most?  No, Person B has just as much.  And vice versa.  There is no person
with the most, so nobody gets it.  The End?

-G.