Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] De-secure Black Ribbons
On Wed., Feb. 19, 2020, 21:41 Jason Cobb via agora-discussion, < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 2/19/20 9:38 PM, James Cook wrote: > > I have the same question here as in another thread [0]: since awarding > > a ribbon is a regulated action, does this rule need to explicitly > > specify a mechanism that it's using to award the ribbon (or explicitly > > override R2125)? > > > > [0] > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-discussion/2020-February/056905.html > > > Perhaps R2141 is enough of a method? > > > A rule is a type of instrument with the capacity to govern the > > game generally, and is always taking effect. A rule's content > > takes the form of a text, and is unlimited in scope. The ruleset > > is the set of all currently-existing rules. > > > Unfortunately R2125 has a lower ID number, so it would take precedence > over R2141. Perhaps we should raise R2141's power... > R2125 applies to the rules as a whole. So it's not incompatible with R2125 for one rule to allow it to happen and another rule to provide the mechanism. >
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] De-secure Black Ribbons
On 2/19/20 9:38 PM, James Cook wrote: > I have the same question here as in another thread [0]: since awarding > a ribbon is a regulated action, does this rule need to explicitly > specify a mechanism that it's using to award the ribbon (or explicitly > override R2125)? > > [0] > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-discussion/2020-February/056905.html Perhaps R2141 is enough of a method? > A rule is a type of instrument with the capacity to govern the > game generally, and is always taking effect. A rule's content > takes the form of a text, and is unlimited in scope. The ruleset > is the set of all currently-existing rules. Unfortunately R2125 has a lower ID number, so it would take precedence over R2141. Perhaps we should raise R2141's power... -- Jason Cobb
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] De-secure Black Ribbons
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 at 21:32, Jason Cobb via agora-business
wrote:
> On 2/18/20 3:30 PM, AIS523--- via agora-discussion wrote:
> > On Tue, 2020-02-18 at 15:24 -0500, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
> >> I submit the following proposal:
> >>
> >> Title: De-secure Black Ribbons
> >>
> >> Author: Jason
> >>
> >> Co-authors:
> >>
> >> AI: 3.0
> >>
> >>
> >> {
> >>
> >> Amend Rule 2438 (Ribbons) by replacing the text "This rule does not
> >> specify any methods of obtaining Black Ribbons." with the text "An
> >> Instrument CAN, as part of its effect, award a person a Black
> >> Ribbon."
> >>
> >> }
> > I'm not sure that would be sufficient to actually unsecure them? The
> > text is written as though the instrument in question does the awarding
> > of the ribbon, after all.
> >
> > Perhaps you need black ribbons to be earned as a consequence of some
> > particular event that's otherwise undefined (and that is not secured).
> >
>
> R1688 says:
>
> > A Rule that makes a change, action, or value secured (hereafter
> > the securing Rule) thereby makes it IMPOSSIBLE to perform that
> > change or action, or to set or modify that value, except as
> > allowed by an Instrument with Power greater than or equal to the
> > change's Power Threshold.
>
> I was thinking that the "CAN" would "allow" any other Instrument to
> award the Black Ribbon. But the event is probably more likely to be upheld.
>
>
> I withdraw my most recently submitted proposal.
>
> I submit the following proposal:
>
> Title: De-secure Black Ribbons v2
>
> Author: Jason
>
> Co-author: ais523
>
> Adoption index: 3.0
>
>
> {
>
> Amend Rule 2438 (Ribbons) by replacing the text "This rule does not
> specify any methods of obtaining Black Ribbons." with the text "An
> Instrument CAN, as part of its effect, cause a person to earn a Black
> Ribbon. When this occurs, this Rule awards that person a Black Ribbon.".
>
> }
>
> --
> Jason Cobb
I have the same question here as in another thread [0]: since awarding
a ribbon is a regulated action, does this rule need to explicitly
specify a mechanism that it's using to award the ribbon (or explicitly
override R2125)?
[0]
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-discussion/2020-February/056905.html
DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] De-secure Black Ribbons
On Tue, 2020-02-18 at 15:24 -0500, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
> I submit the following proposal:
>
> Title: De-secure Black Ribbons
>
> Author: Jason
>
> Co-authors:
>
> AI: 3.0
>
>
> {
>
> Amend Rule 2438 (Ribbons) by replacing the text "This rule does not
> specify any methods of obtaining Black Ribbons." with the text "An
> Instrument CAN, as part of its effect, award a person a Black
> Ribbon."
>
> }
I'm not sure that would be sufficient to actually unsecure them? The
text is written as though the instrument in question does the awarding
of the ribbon, after all.
Perhaps you need black ribbons to be earned as a consequence of some
particular event that's otherwise undefined (and that is not secured).
--
ais523
