DIS: Re: BUS: Player/person analysis update

2023-11-12 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion

4st wrote:


I couldn't find these three players (so far, maybe I can't find more):
Douglas Hofstadter, General Chaos, Troublemaker At Large
and Ørjan is listed differently.


General Chaos, Kelly (1996), and Kelly (1997-1999) are a single person.

Ørjan / Oerjan (1995, 1996, 1996-2000) are a single person (I assume;
the first two pre-dated me, but if they weren't the same person as the
third, then surely someone would have caught on and said something at
the time).

I don't remember Troublemaker At Large using any different nickname.

I unofficially petition the Registrar to retain a copy of the old-style
monthly list, or at least the parts not already incorporated into the
new style, in case any oldbies ever come back and go "oh yeah, that was
me" or "oh yeah, I remember such-and-such".


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Player/person analysis update

2023-11-09 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 11/9/23 21:09, 4st nomic via agora-business wrote:
> These are based on the email used to register according to the registrar's
> report.
> My plan here is to omit them entirely from the dataset, since they are most
> definitely bad data.
> If I can find evidence on whether or not they are the same person either
> way on any of those players, then I can include them again.

Ohhh, there's the missing piece, you're working based off email
similarities. Knowing that, I think we can narrow more, and ask the
Registrar to work on consolidation. Most of them have the same email,
and I would argue are pretty clearly the same person. Some of them have
similar emails, and while they look likely to be the same person it's
not conclusive from this evidence alone. IMO, consolidate the ones with
the same email into 1 person for your analysis, exclude the others.

-- 
nix



DIS: Re: BUS: Player/person analysis update

2023-11-09 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 11/9/23 19:16, 4st nomic via agora-business wrote:
> Here are my stats so far:
> number of reported players: 382
> number of probably-not-a-person: 59
> number of estimated players, (reduced by probably-the-same-person and
> probably-not-a-person): 300
> 
> I'm reporting things early on in this process to have a successful thesis,
> hopefully that strategy works.
> I would also like to note that the registrar's report conflict with the
> Herald's report:
> I couldn't find these three players (so far, maybe I can't find more):
> Douglas Hofstadter, General Chaos, Troublemaker At Large
> and Ørjan is listed differently.

Hofstadter was never a player, he was given an honorary title for his
importance to nomic as a concept. I don't know the case of the others.

> Following are more explicit details, if you want to check my facts, or want
> me to handle some outliers differently:
> 
> Here are a set of registration dates that I explicitly modified from the
> registrar's report (so not all the registrations, just the ones that caused
> problems):
> I didn't verify in the archives, but approximately whether I thought the
> data from the report was a reasonable assumption or not:
> (These were the ones causing issues with my script.)
> 

Little confused on this part, what did you base your changes on?

> Here is the list of players I thought were probably not persons:

These are probably mostly correct.

> And here is a list of probably the same person (tried to take out the
> "probably not a persons")

I strongly advise trying to find evidence for this list, I'm pretty sure
a couple of them are wrong.

Overall, if you're doing this for a thesis I think you should do the
diligence of providing evidence for the changes you make.

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nix