DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Prerogatives imply choice

2008-07-14 Thread Quazie
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Proposal:  Prerogatives imply choice
 (AI = 2, please)

 Amend Rule 2019 (Prerogatives) by replacing section b) with this text:

  b) Justiciar.  Within three days after an appeal case comes to
 require a judge, the Justiciar CAN declare that case either
 hot or cold by announcement.  If the Justiciar has not so
 declared, then the Clerk of the Courts SHALL NOT assign a
 panel to that case during this period.  If the Justiciar has
 so declared, then the Clerk of the Courts SHALL assign a
 panel including (hot) or excluding (cold) the Justiciar, if
 possible.

 Upon the adoption of this proposal, the Prerogative of Justiciar is
 assigned to the person (if any) to whom the Prerogative of Default
 Justice was assigned immediately before the adoption of this proposal.



In the event that it is neiter hot nor cold, it is room temperature.
What is the protocal for a room temperature appeal?  I assume that it
need not include or exclude the Justiciar, but i just want to make
sure.


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Prerogatives imply choice

2008-07-14 Thread Quazie
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Proposal:  Prerogatives imply choice
 (AI = 2, please)

 Amend Rule 2019 (Prerogatives) by replacing section b) with this text:

  b) Justiciar.  Within three days after an appeal case comes to
 require a judge, the Justiciar CAN declare that case either
 hot or cold by announcement.  If the Justiciar has not so
 declared, then the Clerk of the Courts SHALL NOT assign a
 panel to that case during this period.  If the Justiciar has
 so declared, then the Clerk of the Courts SHALL assign a
 panel including (hot) or excluding (cold) the Justiciar, if
 possible.

 Upon the adoption of this proposal, the Prerogative of Justiciar is
 assigned to the person (if any) to whom the Prerogative of Default
 Justice was assigned immediately before the adoption of this proposal.



 In the event that it is neiter hot nor cold, it is room temperature.
 What is the protocal for a room temperature appeal?  I assume that it
 need not include or exclude the Justiciar, but i just want to make
 sure.


Also, should this be a switch?


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Prerogatives imply choice

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Caplan
On Monday 14 July 2008 06:45:00 pm Quazie wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  Proposal:  Prerogatives imply choice
  (AI = 2, please)
 
  Amend Rule 2019 (Prerogatives) by replacing section b) with this
  text:
 
   b) Justiciar.  Within three days after an appeal case comes
  to require a judge, the Justiciar CAN declare that case either hot
  or cold by announcement.  If the Justiciar has not so declared,
  then the Clerk of the Courts SHALL NOT assign a panel to that case
  during this period.  If the Justiciar has so declared, then the
  Clerk of the Courts SHALL assign a panel including (hot) or
  excluding (cold) the Justiciar, if possible.
 
  Upon the adoption of this proposal, the Prerogative of Justiciar
  is assigned to the person (if any) to whom the Prerogative of
  Default Justice was assigned immediately before the adoption of
  this proposal.

 In the event that it is neiter hot nor cold, it is room temperature.
 What is the protocal for a room temperature appeal?  I assume that
 it need not include or exclude the Justiciar, but i just want to
 make sure.

I think that in that case the normal protocol for panel assignment 
prevails.

Can the Justiciar change eir mind? What happens with multiple 
declarations?

Pavitra.


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Prerogatives imply choice

2008-07-14 Thread ihope
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 7:53 PM, Ben Caplan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Monday 14 July 2008 06:45:00 pm Quazie wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   b) Justiciar.  Within three days after an appeal case comes
  to require a judge, the Justiciar CAN declare that case either hot
  or cold by announcement.  If the Justiciar has not so declared,
  then the Clerk of the Courts SHALL NOT assign a panel to that case
  during this period.  If the Justiciar has so declared, then the
  Clerk of the Courts SHALL assign a panel including (hot) or
  excluding (cold) the Justiciar, if possible.

 Can the Justiciar change eir mind? What happens with multiple
 declarations?

If there are multiple declarations, the CotC either SHALL assign a
panel either excluding or including the Justiciar, or SHALL assign a
panel both excluding and including in the Justiciar. In the former
case, it's UNIMPUGNED either way; in the latter, it's EXCUSED either
way. Unless the CotC did something stupid, like act on behalf of the
Justiciar to say both.

--Ivan Hope CXXVII


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Prerogatives imply choice

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Caplan
On Monday 14 July 2008 06:57:43 pm ihope wrote:
 Unless the CotC did something stupid, like act on behalf of the
 Justiciar to say both.

Which, in the Spirit of the Game, is not at all implausible.


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Prerogatives imply choice

2008-07-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Quazie wrote:

 On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Proposal:  Prerogatives imply choice
 (AI = 2, please)

 Amend Rule 2019 (Prerogatives) by replacing section b) with this text:

  b) Justiciar.  Within three days after an appeal case comes to
 require a judge, the Justiciar CAN declare that case either
 hot or cold by announcement.  If the Justiciar has not so
 declared, then the Clerk of the Courts SHALL NOT assign a
 panel to that case during this period.  If the Justiciar has
 so declared, then the Clerk of the Courts SHALL assign a
 panel including (hot) or excluding (cold) the Justiciar, if
 possible.

 Upon the adoption of this proposal, the Prerogative of Justiciar is
 assigned to the person (if any) to whom the Prerogative of Default
 Justice was assigned immediately before the adoption of this proposal.


 In the event that it is neiter hot nor cold, it is room temperature.
 What is the protocal for a room temperature appeal?  I assume that it
 need not include or exclude the Justiciar, but i just want to make
 sure.

 
 Also, should this be a switch?

Not unless an exemption from ongoing reporting is also added.