On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 3:20 PM grok via agora-business <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 11:23 AM Jason Cobb via agora-business
> wrote:
> >
> > On 6/22/20 9:44 PM, Unspecified Behavior via agora-business wrote:
> > > I do not register, as I am already a player.
> > >
> > > I withdraw any vote I may or may not have cast on Proposal 8442. I
> vote FOR
> > > on Proposal 8442.
> >
> >
> > Well, I guess someone has to.
> >
> > I CFJ: "If the person who sent the above message is a player, e cast a
> > vote on Proposal 8442 in that message."
> >
> > Evidence:
> >
> > {
> >
> > "the above message" is at [0].
> >
> > [0]:
> >
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-June/043565.html
> >
> >
> > Rule 478/48 [Excerpt]:
> >
> > > A public message is a message sent via a public forum, or sent to
> > > all players and containing a clear designation of intent to be
> > > public. A rule can also designate that a part of one public
> > > message is considered a public message in its own right. To
> > > "publish" or "announce" something is to send a public message
> > > whose body contains that thing. To do something "publicly" is
> > > to do that thing within a public message.
> > >
> > > Where the rules define an action that a person CAN perform "by
> > > announcement", that person performs that action by unambiguously
> > > and clearly specifying the action and announcing that e performs
> > > it. Any action performed by sending a message is performed at the
> > > time date-stamped on that message. Actions in messages (including
> > > sub-messages) are performed in the order they appear in the
> > > message, unless otherwise specified.
> >
> > }
> >
> >
> > Arguments:
> >
> > {
> >
> > Does the actor of the action need to be clearly specified for it to be
> > performed by announcement? I don't see any text in the rules that
> > necessarily implies so.
> >
> > }
> >
> > --
> > Jason Cobb
> >
>
> Gratuitous Arguments:
>
> R478 defines "publishing" as a public message, which requires a "clear
> designation of intent." R683 article 2 requires the publisher to be
> "at the initiation of the decision, a player". Since
> unspecifiedbehav...@gmail.com is not known as a player's primary or
> alternate email address, the following two things are true:
>
> 1. It is unclear which player's vote the entity intends to withdraw.
> 2. It is unclear which player the entity intends to vote on behalf of.
>
> 1 has indeterminate intent, and should not be considered a
> publication. 2 is more tenuous, but I argue without knowing the
> identity of the voting player it is impossible to know which vote they
> intend to change. A message without clear intent is not a public
> message, and therefore cannot be a publication.
>
With respect, you're just reading that sentence wrong. Let me quote the
sentence "A public message is a message sent via a public forum, or sent to all
players and containing a clear designation of intent to be public."
So first off, that's either or. This message was sent to a public forum and
thus does not need to contain clear designation of intent for anything.
Secondly, it's clear designation of intent *to be public* rather than
anything else.
The purpose of the second half of that message is a backup. If all of the
lists go down, you can send a message to all players and mark it as public
so gameplay can continue.
That being said, you do have a point about the withdrawal of the previous
vote being an important target (IIRC, that is a by announcement action).
-Aris
