Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer creates life [Attn. Notary]
thanks guys On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 4:57 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > On 7/8/20 10:56 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: > > What would be the fix? I don't entirely understand the mistake, sorry. > It's > > trivial for me to destroy the contract and remake it with a shorter > timer. > > I just made it 24h for the gravitas lol. > > It's simply a typo: it says "contact" where it should read "contract". > > > > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 4:38 PM ATMunn via agora-business < > > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > >> On 7/8/2020 1:59 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: > >>> > >>> Cuddlebeam is the sole member to this contract. After 24 hours have > >>> passed since this instance of this contract has been created, a copy of > >>> this contact (a new instance of it) is made. Cuddlebeam consents and > >> agrees > >>> with themselves that these new contracts are made in this specific way. > >>> > >> > >> I'd like to point out that this says "a copy of this *contact*", not > >> contract. I know our custom tends to be that typos don't matter if you > >> know what the person meant, but this might be significant enough to > >> break it. > >> > >> Sending this to a-b so it can be considered a gratuitous argument for > >> the CFJ that will inevitably be called. > >> > >> -- > >> ATMunn > >> friendly neighborhood notary here :) > >> > > > -- > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate > Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth >
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer creates life [Attn. Notary]
On 7/8/20 10:56 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: > What would be the fix? I don't entirely understand the mistake, sorry. It's > trivial for me to destroy the contract and remake it with a shorter timer. > I just made it 24h for the gravitas lol. It's simply a typo: it says "contact" where it should read "contract". > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 4:38 PM ATMunn via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> On 7/8/2020 1:59 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: >>> >>> Cuddlebeam is the sole member to this contract. After 24 hours have >>> passed since this instance of this contract has been created, a copy of >>> this contact (a new instance of it) is made. Cuddlebeam consents and >> agrees >>> with themselves that these new contracts are made in this specific way. >>> >> >> I'd like to point out that this says "a copy of this *contact*", not >> contract. I know our custom tends to be that typos don't matter if you >> know what the person meant, but this might be significant enough to >> break it. >> >> Sending this to a-b so it can be considered a gratuitous argument for >> the CFJ that will inevitably be called. >> >> -- >> ATMunn >> friendly neighborhood notary here :) >> -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer creates life [Attn. Notary]
What would be the fix? I don't entirely understand the mistake, sorry. It's trivial for me to destroy the contract and remake it with a shorter timer. I just made it 24h for the gravitas lol. On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 4:38 PM ATMunn via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 7/8/2020 1:59 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: > > > > Cuddlebeam is the sole member to this contract. After 24 hours have > > passed since this instance of this contract has been created, a copy of > > this contact (a new instance of it) is made. Cuddlebeam consents and > agrees > > with themselves that these new contracts are made in this specific way. > > > > I'd like to point out that this says "a copy of this *contact*", not > contract. I know our custom tends to be that typos don't matter if you > know what the person meant, but this might be significant enough to > break it. > > Sending this to a-b so it can be considered a gratuitous argument for > the CFJ that will inevitably be called. > > -- > ATMunn > friendly neighborhood notary here :) >
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer creates life [Attn. Notary]
On 7/8/2020 7:33 AM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > On 7/8/2020 2:26 AM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: >> As fun as this is, contracts cannot perform actions automatically. I >> guess you could amend it so that you CAN do so, but at that point, >> there's no real reason for the contracts to fork like this since you can >> just create a large number of dummy contracts and that would be probably >> just as effective at annoying the heck out of the Notary. But players can create contracts with consent, and we've allowed contract texts to "automatically determine consent". That's the only reason things like "a new party can join by announcement" in a contract's text works. So if this doesn't work, then a contract text saying "people can join by announcement" or anything similar doesn't work, either. -G.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer creates life [Attn. Notary]
On 7/8/2020 2:26 AM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: As fun as this is, contracts cannot perform actions automatically. I guess you could amend it so that you CAN do so, but at that point, there's no real reason for the contracts to fork like this since you can just create a large number of dummy contracts and that would be probably just as effective at annoying the heck out of the Notary. :) -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer creates life [Attn. Notary]
how would they become publicly unavailable though? On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 9:26 AM N. S. via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > well,,, it might not work. there could be a problem with the reproduction > being "a change that would make the contract's text publicly unavailable" > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 5:20 PM Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > I don't intend to overload our Notary with work. Once I have the > > Contracolis reproduce once or twice my intention is to CfJ to confirm > that > > they have reproduced and then destroy them all. > > > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 8:50 AM Reuben Staley via agora-discussion < > > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > > > On 2020-07-08 00:39, N. S. via agora-discussion wrote: > > > > yep, i'm also quite sure that this works, a person can consent > entirely > > > by > > > > contract and consenting is sufficient to create a contract. this > could > > be > > > > called, quite circular. > > > > > > Well, dang. Sorry, ATMunn. I tried. > > > > > > -- > > > Trigon > > > > > > I LOVE SPAGHETTI > > > transfer Jason one coin > > > nch was here > > > I hereby > > > don't... trust... the dragon... > > > don't... trust... the dragon... > > > Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this > > > > > > > > -- > From R. Lee >
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer creates life [Attn. Notary]
well,,, it might not work. there could be a problem with the reproduction being "a change that would make the contract's text publicly unavailable" On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 5:20 PM Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I don't intend to overload our Notary with work. Once I have the > Contracolis reproduce once or twice my intention is to CfJ to confirm that > they have reproduced and then destroy them all. > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 8:50 AM Reuben Staley via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > On 2020-07-08 00:39, N. S. via agora-discussion wrote: > > > yep, i'm also quite sure that this works, a person can consent entirely > > by > > > contract and consenting is sufficient to create a contract. this could > be > > > called, quite circular. > > > > Well, dang. Sorry, ATMunn. I tried. > > > > -- > > Trigon > > > > I LOVE SPAGHETTI > > transfer Jason one coin > > nch was here > > I hereby > > don't... trust... the dragon... > > don't... trust... the dragon... > > Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this > > > -- >From R. Lee
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer creates life [Attn. Notary]
I don't intend to overload our Notary with work. Once I have the Contracolis reproduce once or twice my intention is to CfJ to confirm that they have reproduced and then destroy them all. On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 8:50 AM Reuben Staley via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 2020-07-08 00:39, N. S. via agora-discussion wrote: > > yep, i'm also quite sure that this works, a person can consent entirely > by > > contract and consenting is sufficient to create a contract. this could be > > called, quite circular. > > Well, dang. Sorry, ATMunn. I tried. > > -- > Trigon > > I LOVE SPAGHETTI > transfer Jason one coin > nch was here > I hereby > don't... trust... the dragon... > don't... trust... the dragon... > Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this >
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer creates life [Attn. Notary]
On 2020-07-08 00:39, N. S. via agora-discussion wrote: yep, i'm also quite sure that this works, a person can consent entirely by contract and consenting is sufficient to create a contract. this could be called, quite circular. Well, dang. Sorry, ATMunn. I tried. -- Trigon I LOVE SPAGHETTI transfer Jason one coin nch was here I hereby don't... trust... the dragon... don't... trust... the dragon... Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer creates life [Attn. Notary]
yep, i'm also quite sure that this works, a person can consent entirely by contract and consenting is sufficient to create a contract. this could be called, quite circular. On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 4:30 PM omd via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > at 11:26 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > On 2020-07-07 23:59, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: > >> I have no idea if this works, but it might be useful for certain > >> applications. Experimentation!!! > >> I create the following contract called "Contracoli": > >> > >> Cuddlebeam is the sole member to this contract. After 24 hours have > >> passed since this instance of this contract has been created, a copy of > >> this contact (a new instance of it) is made. Cuddlebeam consents and > >> agrees > >> with themselves that these new contracts are made in this specific way. > >> > >> I hereby publicly consent to and agree with myself to have Contracoli > >> contracts be generated in the way described above. > > > > As fun as this is, contracts cannot perform actions automatically. I > > guess you could amend it so that you CAN do so, but at that point, > > there's no real reason for the contracts to fork like this since you > can > > just create a large number of dummy contracts and that would be > probably > > just as effective at annoying the heck out of the Notary. > > They can’t perform actions in general automatically. But by Rule 2519 > they > can give consent, and CFJs 3849-50 held that consent is actually the > mechanism for contract changes. So I think this works. > -- >From R. Lee
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer creates life [Attn. Notary]
at 11:26 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: On 2020-07-07 23:59, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: I have no idea if this works, but it might be useful for certain applications. Experimentation!!! I create the following contract called "Contracoli": Cuddlebeam is the sole member to this contract. After 24 hours have passed since this instance of this contract has been created, a copy of this contact (a new instance of it) is made. Cuddlebeam consents and agrees with themselves that these new contracts are made in this specific way. I hereby publicly consent to and agree with myself to have Contracoli contracts be generated in the way described above. As fun as this is, contracts cannot perform actions automatically. I guess you could amend it so that you CAN do so, but at that point, there's no real reason for the contracts to fork like this since you can just create a large number of dummy contracts and that would be probably just as effective at annoying the heck out of the Notary. They can’t perform actions in general automatically. But by Rule 2519 they can give consent, and CFJs 3849-50 held that consent is actually the mechanism for contract changes. So I think this works.
DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer creates life [Attn. Notary]
On 2020-07-07 23:59, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: I have no idea if this works, but it might be useful for certain applications. Experimentation!!! I create the following contract called "Contracoli": Cuddlebeam is the sole member to this contract. After 24 hours have passed since this instance of this contract has been created, a copy of this contact (a new instance of it) is made. Cuddlebeam consents and agrees with themselves that these new contracts are made in this specific way. I hereby publicly consent to and agree with myself to have Contracoli contracts be generated in the way described above. As fun as this is, contracts cannot perform actions automatically. I guess you could amend it so that you CAN do so, but at that point, there's no real reason for the contracts to fork like this since you can just create a large number of dummy contracts and that would be probably just as effective at annoying the heck out of the Notary. -- Trigon I LOVE SPAGHETTI transfer Jason one coin nch was here I hereby don't... trust... the dragon... don't... trust... the dragon... Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this
