Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3489 Judged TRUE by Aris

[Aris Merchant]

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Quazie  wrote:
> So - if this is true, then I believe none of us have ever been paid, as the
> payday rule states 'Agora pays' and Agora can't perform an action on its
> own.
>
> I'm pretty worried about that...

Not a concern. Part 1 of my opinion says that the problem is that it
has to be allowed by a rule (✓). Part 2 says it has to be rule defined
(✓) and have someone responsible for tracking it (✓). Note also that
we don't even get to the game custom and best interest analysis unless
the rules are unclear, which they're really not.

-Aris

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3489 Judged TRUE by Aris

[Quazie]

So - if this is true, then I believe none of us have ever been paid, as the
payday rule states 'Agora pays' and Agora can't perform an action on its
own.

I'm pretty worried about that...

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 1:40 AM Kerim Aydin  wrote:

> status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3489
> (This document is informational only and contains no game actions).
>
> =  CFJ 3489  =
>
>At this time, AAaAA has not paid any Shinies to any player
>whatsoever.
>
> ==
>
> Caller:   o
>
> Judge:Aris
> Judgement:TRUE
>
> ==
>
> History:
>
> Called by o:05 May 2017
> Assigned to Aris:   19 May 2017
> Judged TRUE by Aris:24 May 2017
>
> ==
>
> Caller's Arguments:
>
> The ability of an organization to pay is regulated, as it is enabled
> by a rule. No rule makes a provision for automatic payments by
> Organizations.
>
> ==
>
> Caller's Evidence:
>
> Rule 2483/2 (Power=2)
> Economics
>
>   [???]
>
>   Any organization CAN pay Agora, any player, or any other
>   organization by announcement by a member of said organization,
>   as specified in the charter of said organization, unless it
>   would make the organization's balance negative.
>
> ==
>
> Judge's Arguments:
>
> I concur with the caller's arguments. I'd like to note two things:
>
> 1. The action is regulated and the relevant rule (2483) doesn't allow it to
>occur.
> 2. It would be profoundly against the interests of Agora to allow this
> type of
>action to happen. To the best of my knowledge, we've never game actions
> to
>occur automatically without anyone responsible for tracking them,
> certainly
>not in a player defined way (as opposed to a rule defined way). This
> kind of
>thing would make the Secretary's job a nightmare.
>
> As I have found that organizations cannot perform actions automatically,
> without
> the announcement of one of their members, I judge CFJ 3489 to be TRUE.
>
> ==
>
>
>