Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 3613 TRUE

[Corona]

Last two weeks' balloons only, the others have expired by now.
Probably still enough to win.

On 12/17/17, Aris Merchant  wrote:
> H. Clork, I believe I am owed several weeks back-balloons.
>
> -Aris
>
> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 3:44 PM Corona  wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 26 Nov 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
>> > I sh-CFJ "Aris has advised every politician in the row reduced
>> > echelon."
>>
>> I judge CFJ 3613 as TRUE. The caller's arguments are sound, and I have
>> gone through the relevant rules and found nothing contradicting that
>> interpretation. It goes without saying that rule 2536 should be fixed.
>>
>> ~Corona
>>
>> -
>> Caller's Arguments:
>>
>> > The rule "Taken Under Advisement" states that "A player CAN, by
>> > announcement, spend Favours in a Party to gain Influence over that
>> > Politican, depending on the Politician's Echelon". It does not state
>> > clearly that the party must be the same as that of the politician. It
>> > does say "that politician", but it is unclear what "that" means in
>> > this context, and there is certainly no textual basis for assuming
>> > that it means they must be of the same party. Further, the rule states
>> > that the process depends on "depend[s] on the Politician's Echelon",
>> > implying via expressio unius est exclusio alterius that it doesn't
>> > depend on anything else. In short, there is no textual basis for
>> > limiting the action to politicians of the same party as the favors. It
>> > would be reasonable to say that the action fails because its
>> > definition is ambiguous, but this is against the principle that the
>> > statements of the rules must be given effect, insofar as it is
>> > possible.
>>
>>
>> Caller's Evidence (Caller's actions preceding CFJ):
>>
>> On Sun, 26 Nov 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
>> > I spend 24 NPR favors to gain 16 influence over Mad Cap'n Tom. I advise
>> em.
>> >
>> > I spend 10 NPR favors to gain 10 influence over Politician
>> > McPoliticianface. I advise em.
>> >
>> > I spend 8 NPR favors to gain 12 influence over Mickey Joker. I advise
>> > em. I spend 8 NPR favors to gain 12 influence over Nick P. Ronald. I
>> > advise em.
>> >
>> >
>> > Now for the questionable stuff.
>> >
>> > For each upper echelon politician I have not yet advised, I spend 5
>> > NPR favors to gain 5 influence over em, then advise em.
>> >
>> > For each row echelon politician I have not yet advised, I spend 4 NPR
>> > favors to gain 6 influence over em, then advise em.
>> >
>> > For each row reduced politician, I spend 2 NPR favors to gain 4
>> > influence over em, then advise em.
>>
>

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 3613 TRUE

[Aris Merchant]

I advised politicians in every echelon. I just CoEd for the ones in the
Row-Reduced Echelon to stop the report from self ratifying. I wasn't sure
that someone hadn't paid more than me for some of the politicians in higher
echelons.

-Aris

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:12 AM Madeline  wrote:

> Politicians in the Row-Reduced Echelon are worth no balloons.
>
>
> On 2017-12-18 13:48, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > H. Clork, I believe I am owed several weeks back-balloons.
> >
> > -Aris
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 3:44 PM Corona 
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 26 Nov 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> >>> I sh-CFJ "Aris has advised every politician in the row reduced
> echelon."
> >> I judge CFJ 3613 as TRUE. The caller's arguments are sound, and I have
> >> gone through the relevant rules and found nothing contradicting that
> >> interpretation. It goes without saying that rule 2536 should be fixed.
> >>
> >> ~Corona
> >>
> >> -
> >> Caller's Arguments:
> >>
> >>> The rule "Taken Under Advisement" states that "A player CAN, by
> >>> announcement, spend Favours in a Party to gain Influence over that
> >>> Politican, depending on the Politician's Echelon". It does not state
> >>> clearly that the party must be the same as that of the politician. It
> >>> does say "that politician", but it is unclear what "that" means in
> >>> this context, and there is certainly no textual basis for assuming
> >>> that it means they must be of the same party. Further, the rule states
> >>> that the process depends on "depend[s] on the Politician's Echelon",
> >>> implying via expressio unius est exclusio alterius that it doesn't
> >>> depend on anything else. In short, there is no textual basis for
> >>> limiting the action to politicians of the same party as the favors. It
> >>> would be reasonable to say that the action fails because its
> >>> definition is ambiguous, but this is against the principle that the
> >>> statements of the rules must be given effect, insofar as it is
> >>> possible.
> >>
> >> Caller's Evidence (Caller's actions preceding CFJ):
> >>
> >> On Sun, 26 Nov 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> >>> I spend 24 NPR favors to gain 16 influence over Mad Cap'n Tom. I advise
> >> em.
> >>> I spend 10 NPR favors to gain 10 influence over Politician
> >>> McPoliticianface. I advise em.
> >>>
> >>> I spend 8 NPR favors to gain 12 influence over Mickey Joker. I advise
> >>> em. I spend 8 NPR favors to gain 12 influence over Nick P. Ronald. I
> >>> advise em.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Now for the questionable stuff.
> >>>
> >>> For each upper echelon politician I have not yet advised, I spend 5
> >>> NPR favors to gain 5 influence over em, then advise em.
> >>>
> >>> For each row echelon politician I have not yet advised, I spend 4 NPR
> >>> favors to gain 6 influence over em, then advise em.
> >>>
> >>> For each row reduced politician, I spend 2 NPR favors to gain 4
> >>> influence over em, then advise em.
>
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 3613 TRUE

[Madeline]

Politicians in the Row-Reduced Echelon are worth no balloons.


On 2017-12-18 13:48, Aris Merchant wrote:

H. Clork, I believe I am owed several weeks back-balloons.

-Aris

On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 3:44 PM Corona  wrote:


On Sun, 26 Nov 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:

I sh-CFJ "Aris has advised every politician in the row reduced echelon."

I judge CFJ 3613 as TRUE. The caller's arguments are sound, and I have
gone through the relevant rules and found nothing contradicting that
interpretation. It goes without saying that rule 2536 should be fixed.

~Corona

-
Caller's Arguments:


The rule "Taken Under Advisement" states that "A player CAN, by
announcement, spend Favours in a Party to gain Influence over that
Politican, depending on the Politician's Echelon". It does not state
clearly that the party must be the same as that of the politician. It
does say "that politician", but it is unclear what "that" means in
this context, and there is certainly no textual basis for assuming
that it means they must be of the same party. Further, the rule states
that the process depends on "depend[s] on the Politician's Echelon",
implying via expressio unius est exclusio alterius that it doesn't
depend on anything else. In short, there is no textual basis for
limiting the action to politicians of the same party as the favors. It
would be reasonable to say that the action fails because its
definition is ambiguous, but this is against the principle that the
statements of the rules must be given effect, insofar as it is
possible.


Caller's Evidence (Caller's actions preceding CFJ):

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:

I spend 24 NPR favors to gain 16 influence over Mad Cap'n Tom. I advise

em.

I spend 10 NPR favors to gain 10 influence over Politician
McPoliticianface. I advise em.

I spend 8 NPR favors to gain 12 influence over Mickey Joker. I advise
em. I spend 8 NPR favors to gain 12 influence over Nick P. Ronald. I
advise em.


Now for the questionable stuff.

For each upper echelon politician I have not yet advised, I spend 5
NPR favors to gain 5 influence over em, then advise em.

For each row echelon politician I have not yet advised, I spend 4 NPR
favors to gain 6 influence over em, then advise em.

For each row reduced politician, I spend 2 NPR favors to gain 4
influence over em, then advise em.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 3613 TRUE

[VJ Rada]

balloons don't need to be awarded and are automatically conferred.

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Aris Merchant
 wrote:
> H. Clork, I believe I am owed several weeks back-balloons.
>
> -Aris
>
> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 3:44 PM Corona  wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 26 Nov 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
>> > I sh-CFJ "Aris has advised every politician in the row reduced echelon."
>>
>> I judge CFJ 3613 as TRUE. The caller's arguments are sound, and I have
>> gone through the relevant rules and found nothing contradicting that
>> interpretation. It goes without saying that rule 2536 should be fixed.
>>
>> ~Corona
>>
>> -
>> Caller's Arguments:
>>
>> > The rule "Taken Under Advisement" states that "A player CAN, by
>> > announcement, spend Favours in a Party to gain Influence over that
>> > Politican, depending on the Politician's Echelon". It does not state
>> > clearly that the party must be the same as that of the politician. It
>> > does say "that politician", but it is unclear what "that" means in
>> > this context, and there is certainly no textual basis for assuming
>> > that it means they must be of the same party. Further, the rule states
>> > that the process depends on "depend[s] on the Politician's Echelon",
>> > implying via expressio unius est exclusio alterius that it doesn't
>> > depend on anything else. In short, there is no textual basis for
>> > limiting the action to politicians of the same party as the favors. It
>> > would be reasonable to say that the action fails because its
>> > definition is ambiguous, but this is against the principle that the
>> > statements of the rules must be given effect, insofar as it is
>> > possible.
>>
>>
>> Caller's Evidence (Caller's actions preceding CFJ):
>>
>> On Sun, 26 Nov 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
>> > I spend 24 NPR favors to gain 16 influence over Mad Cap'n Tom. I advise
>> em.
>> >
>> > I spend 10 NPR favors to gain 10 influence over Politician
>> > McPoliticianface. I advise em.
>> >
>> > I spend 8 NPR favors to gain 12 influence over Mickey Joker. I advise
>> > em. I spend 8 NPR favors to gain 12 influence over Nick P. Ronald. I
>> > advise em.
>> >
>> >
>> > Now for the questionable stuff.
>> >
>> > For each upper echelon politician I have not yet advised, I spend 5
>> > NPR favors to gain 5 influence over em, then advise em.
>> >
>> > For each row echelon politician I have not yet advised, I spend 4 NPR
>> > favors to gain 6 influence over em, then advise em.
>> >
>> > For each row reduced politician, I spend 2 NPR favors to gain 4
>> > influence over em, then advise em.
>>



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 3613 TRUE

[Aris Merchant]

H. Clork, I believe I am owed several weeks back-balloons.

-Aris

On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 3:44 PM Corona  wrote:

> On Sun, 26 Nov 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > I sh-CFJ "Aris has advised every politician in the row reduced echelon."
>
> I judge CFJ 3613 as TRUE. The caller's arguments are sound, and I have
> gone through the relevant rules and found nothing contradicting that
> interpretation. It goes without saying that rule 2536 should be fixed.
>
> ~Corona
>
> -
> Caller's Arguments:
>
> > The rule "Taken Under Advisement" states that "A player CAN, by
> > announcement, spend Favours in a Party to gain Influence over that
> > Politican, depending on the Politician's Echelon". It does not state
> > clearly that the party must be the same as that of the politician. It
> > does say "that politician", but it is unclear what "that" means in
> > this context, and there is certainly no textual basis for assuming
> > that it means they must be of the same party. Further, the rule states
> > that the process depends on "depend[s] on the Politician's Echelon",
> > implying via expressio unius est exclusio alterius that it doesn't
> > depend on anything else. In short, there is no textual basis for
> > limiting the action to politicians of the same party as the favors. It
> > would be reasonable to say that the action fails because its
> > definition is ambiguous, but this is against the principle that the
> > statements of the rules must be given effect, insofar as it is
> > possible.
>
>
> Caller's Evidence (Caller's actions preceding CFJ):
>
> On Sun, 26 Nov 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > I spend 24 NPR favors to gain 16 influence over Mad Cap'n Tom. I advise
> em.
> >
> > I spend 10 NPR favors to gain 10 influence over Politician
> > McPoliticianface. I advise em.
> >
> > I spend 8 NPR favors to gain 12 influence over Mickey Joker. I advise
> > em. I spend 8 NPR favors to gain 12 influence over Nick P. Ronald. I
> > advise em.
> >
> >
> > Now for the questionable stuff.
> >
> > For each upper echelon politician I have not yet advised, I spend 5
> > NPR favors to gain 5 influence over em, then advise em.
> >
> > For each row echelon politician I have not yet advised, I spend 4 NPR
> > favors to gain 6 influence over em, then advise em.
> >
> > For each row reduced politician, I spend 2 NPR favors to gain 4
> > influence over em, then advise em.
>