Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good catch. As ehird isn't registered, E isn't a player, so E can't be in the manroster regardless of what the manroster says (unless the contract somehow has a greater power than the rule indicating what a player is, in that case the manroster may have defined ehird as a player...) In that case, ehrid still has two partners, so the attempts to deregister it were unsuccessful. Updating records accordingly. No, the attempts to deregister it were based upon the belief that the Manroster only contained ehird (and e was therefore the only partner). It now turns out that the Manroster actually only contained Ivan Hope CXXVII. So this has no bearing on the success or failure of the deregistration attempts. -root
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe
root wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good catch. As ehird isn't registered, E isn't a player, so E can't be in the manroster regardless of what the manroster says (unless the contract somehow has a greater power than the rule indicating what a player is, in that case the manroster may have defined ehird as a player...) In that case, ehrid still has two partners, so the attempts to deregister it were unsuccessful. Updating records accordingly. No, the attempts to deregister it were based upon the belief that the Manroster only contained ehird (and e was therefore the only partner). It now turns out that the Manroster actually only contained Ivan Hope CXXVII. So this has no bearing on the success or failure of the deregistration attempts. Gah. I'll grok this later and work out the net effect on my records.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 6:31 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, the attempts to deregister it were based upon the belief that the Manroster only contained ehird (and e was therefore the only partner). It now turns out that the Manroster actually only contained Ivan Hope CXXVII. So this has no bearing on the success or failure of the deregistration attempts. Gah. I'll grok this later and work out the net effect on my records. Based on Goethe's judgement, they appear to have been unsuccessful anyway. -root
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 6:31 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, the attempts to deregister it were based upon the belief that the Manroster only contained ehird (and e was therefore the only partner). It now turns out that the Manroster actually only contained Ivan Hope CXXVII. So this has no bearing on the success or failure of the deregistration attempts. Gah. I'll grok this later and work out the net effect on my records. Based on Goethe's judgement, they appear to have been unsuccessful anyway. Which attempts failed, mine that were part of my judgement, or others? I think the one that was part of my judgement should have worked. -Goethe
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 8:20 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which attempts failed, mine that were part of my judgement, or others? I think the one that was part of my judgement should have worked. -Goethe I meant the earlier attempts, before the contract change was announced. Incidentally, your judgement points to a bug in R2178. It should refer to the set of parties throughout, not to the membership, which is only defined for partnerships. -root
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:05 AM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:01 AM, Alexander Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Goethe wrote:
The contract mentioned in the CFJ, at the time it was filed, had the
following text:
{{{
There is a list of players called the Manroster. The Manroster is
initially ehird and ihope. Any player in the Manroster can perform
actions on behalf of this contract. Any player in the Manroster can
change the Manroster. All parties to this contract SHALL act to ensure
it fulfills any obligations it may incur. This is a public contract.
}}}
Its membership was {ehird, Ivan Hope CXXVII}. Note that the Manroster
was [ehird] at the time of the contract (however, the contract's text
itself did not change).
Actually, if I deregistered ehird before e attempted to change the
Manroster, ehird was no longer a player in the Manroster, so e was not
able to change it.
Good catch. As ehird isn't registered, E isn't a player, so E can't
be in the manroster regardless of what the manroster says (unless the
contract somehow has a greater power than the rule indicating what a
player is, in that case the manroster may have defined ehird as a
player...)
RE: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Alexander Smith wrote: Evidence on CFJ 2046: comex wrote: Actually, if I deregistered ehird before e attempted to change the Manroster, ehird was no longer a player in the Manroster, so e was not able to change it. Ah, good catch. In that case, I may have been wrong about the current contents of the Manroster, but luckily I don't think it's the Notary's job to track that. Was Manroster a public contract? I've lost track of that. If so, the official membership list doesn't change until the change is published (R2178). -Goethe
RE: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe
Goethe wrote: Was Manroster a public contract? I've lost track of that. If so, the official membership list doesn't change until the change is published (R2178). No, it was internal state of a public contract, but not state that appeared in the text of that contract. -- ais523 winmail.dat
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe
2008/6/27 Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Was Manroster a public contract? I've lost track of that. If so, the official membership list doesn't change until the change is published (R2178). -Goethe The Manroster is just a list in the ehrid/mna contract. ehird
RE: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe
ehird wrote: The Manroster is just a list in the ehrid/mna contract. Not even that, the contract states the existence of such a list and its initial value, but not its current state. So its a list in the internal gamestate of the mna contract. -- ais523 winmail.dat
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe
Quazie wrote:
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:05 AM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:01 AM, Alexander Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Goethe wrote:
The contract mentioned in the CFJ, at the time it was filed, had the
following text:
{{{
There is a list of players called the Manroster. The Manroster is
initially ehird and ihope. Any player in the Manroster can perform
actions on behalf of this contract. Any player in the Manroster can
change the Manroster. All parties to this contract SHALL act to ensure
it fulfills any obligations it may incur. This is a public contract.
}}}
Its membership was {ehird, Ivan Hope CXXVII}. Note that the Manroster
was [ehird] at the time of the contract (however, the contract's text
itself did not change).
Actually, if I deregistered ehird before e attempted to change the
Manroster, ehird was no longer a player in the Manroster, so e was not
able to change it.
Good catch. As ehird isn't registered, E isn't a player, so E can't
be in the manroster regardless of what the manroster says (unless the
contract somehow has a greater power than the rule indicating what a
player is, in that case the manroster may have defined ehird as a
player...)
In that case, ehrid still has two partners, so the attempts to
deregister it were unsuccessful. Updating records accordingly.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe
2008/6/27 Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In that case, ehrid still has two partners, so the attempts to deregister it were unsuccessful. Updating records accordingly. But the Manroster contains a non-player (me). The contract states it is a list of players. ??? ehird
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe
ehird wrote: 2008/6/27 Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Was Manroster a public contract? I've lost track of that. If so, the official membership list doesn't change until the change is published (R2178). -Goethe The Manroster is just a list in the ehrid/mna contract. More specifically: The contract originally known as Teh Cltohed Mna [1] and renamed to ehrid [2] contains an explicit list of its members, titled the Manroster. ehird attempted to change it in public, but failed because e was not a player and thus could not use the contract's players can change the Manroster by announcement clause. [1] Full name Teh Cltohed Mna Ni Teh Drak Woh Wtaches Adn Nevre Sasy A Wrod Execpt Wehn Psoessed Yb Dmeons Mcuhly Precocupied. [2] Ambiguously effective; ehird said something like I changed Teh Cltohed Man's name to ehrid, which could be interpreted as a gloss for Teh Cltohed Man changes or I act on behalf of Teh Cltohed Man to change.
