Re: DIS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5547-5555

2008-06-16 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 8:18 AM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hmm, why is everybody (except one voting PRESENT, apparently) against
 this? Does it break something?

Some people prefer to have the right to do the thousands if not
millions of non-game-related actions they perform on a daily basis.


Re: DIS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5547-5555

2008-06-16 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote:

 On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 8:18 AM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hmm, why is everybody (except one voting PRESENT, apparently) against
 this? Does it break something?
 
 Some people prefer to have the right to do the thousands if not
 millions of non-game-related actions they perform on a daily basis.

Those would fall under the rules do not have the power to prevent it
in the new rule, the Soviet-style everything not explicitly allowed is
prohibited approach is distasteful nonetheless.  Upon reflection, I
think it would also break contract-defined actions.


Re: DIS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5547-5555

2008-06-16 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/16 Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 5547  D1  2ais523  none
 FOR

 5548  D1  3Murphy  Chronological order
 FOR

 5549  D1  2Wooble  Earning Interest
 FOR

 5550  O1  1Ivan Hope   Tongue-tied
 AGAINST * 3, FOR * 1

 5551  O1  1BobTHJ  Empower the Notary
 FOR * 4

 5552  O1  1.7  Murphy  Clerk disinterest
 FOR * 4

 5553  D1  2Murphy  Belle
 FOR

 5554  D1  3Ivan Hope   Isn't that just silly?
 AGAINST

   D2  3ais523  none
 FOR

 -Wooble


I don't see much to DISCUSS, here...

ehird


Re: DIS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5547-5555

2008-06-16 Thread Ben Caplan
On Monday 16 June 2008 10:13:14 ihope wrote:
 Hmm, yes, you're probably right about the contract-defined actions
 thing. I would rather have a sentence or two stating that the
 gamestate can only be changed as the rules allow than a list of what's
 regulated and what's not that uses ambiguous terms such as allowed
 and, I suppose, under certain conditions (though my initial
 interpretation of that phrase was unpopular).

You'd have to have a good definition of gamestate.


Re: DIS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5547-5555

2008-06-16 Thread Nick Vanderweit
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Ben Caplan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Monday 16 June 2008 10:13:14 ihope wrote:
 Hmm, yes, you're probably right about the contract-defined actions
 thing. I would rather have a sentence or two stating that the
 gamestate can only be changed as the rules allow than a list of what's
 regulated and what's not that uses ambiguous terms such as allowed
 and, I suppose, under certain conditions (though my initial
 interpretation of that phrase was unpopular).

 You'd have to have a good definition of gamestate.


If it's not explicitly prohibited, then why bother disallowing it?
We'll prohibit what we see as counter to our game, but if someone
wants to do something as part of a contract or simply as a joke and
this harms no one, why would we disallow it?

avpx


Re: DIS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5547-5555

2008-06-16 Thread Ben Caplan
On Monday 16 June 2008 6:39:52 Nick Vanderweit wrote:
 On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Ben Caplan
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  You'd have to have a good definition of gamestate.
 
 If it's not explicitly prohibited, then why bother disallowing it?
 We'll prohibit what we see as counter to our game, but if someone
 wants to do something as part of a contract or simply as a joke and
 this harms no one, why would we disallow it?

Well, some players would like to think that making arbitrary changes
to the ruleset isn't explicitly prohibited. Agora traditionally
encourages scams; depending on good faith for the rules to work is a
generally bad idea.