On Tue, 2017-08-01 at 01:48 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote:
> > On Jul 30, 2017, at 3:06 PM, Nic Evans <nich...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Everything in the last attempt failed because I never had any
> > shinies, stamps did not exist, and the mechanisms of ASaAA refered
> > to were void at that time. So here they are again:
> >
> > Since I have not received a Welcome package since I most recently
> > registered, I cause myself to receive one now.
> >
> > {
> > Me: 50 sh.
> > Agora: 950 sh.
> > }
> >
> > I transfer 40 shinies to Agora to create a stamp.
> >
> > {
> > Me: 10 sh. 1 Stamp (nichdel)
> > Agora: 990
> > }
> >
> > I transfer 1 shiny to ASaAA, which gives me one ASaAA proxy.
> >
> > {
> > Me: 9 sh. 1 Stamp (nichdel). 1 ASaAA Proxy
> > ASaAA: 8 sh.
> > }
> >
> > I transfer my Stamp (nichdel) to ASaAA and, on behalf of the ASaAA,
> > transfer 8 shinies to me.
> >
> > {
> > Me: 17 sh. 1 ASaAA Proxy
> > ASaAA: 0 sh. 1 Stamp (nichdel)
> > }
> >
> > I note that the ASaAA has now transitioned from an Open Session to
> > a Voting Session.
> >
> > I vote for myself in the ASaAA Voting Session 1 time, using all my
> > Proxies.
>
> I spend an action point, if it is possible for me to do so, to call
> for judgement on the following statement:
>
> Nichdel has 1 Stamp (nichdel) and 9 Shinies.
This is CFJ 3550 and was paid for using AP. I assign it to Quazie.
> Caller’s arguments:
>
> First, my apologies to whichever poor sap gets to judge this, because
> you get to do some forensic accounting. I keep fairly complete
> records, so feel more than free to request further evidence.
>
> The core of this CFJ is a transaction nichdel performed immediately
> prior to the passage of proposal 7867:
>
> On Jul 29, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Nic Evans <nich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I transfer 7 shinies to ASaAA.
>
>
> (Re: BUS: Transfer)
>
> However, according to my records, at this time nichdel had a balance
> of 2 Shinies. Per rule 2483 (“Economics”) in effect at that time:
>
> > Any player CAN pay Agora, any other player, or any organization any
> > amount by announcement, unless it would make eir own balance
> > negative. Any attempt to PAY any amount that would make any
> > player's or any organization's balance negative is INEFFECTIVE,
> > rules to the contrary notwithstanding.
>
> Paying 7 Shinies with a balance of 2 Shinies would make nichdel’s
> balance -5 Shinies, and therefore the payment is ineffective.
>
> No other payments have ever been made to ASaAA, so its balance was,
> and remained, zero.
>
> Subsequently, proposal 7867 passed, which zeroed all players’
> balances, and reset Agora’s balance to 1,000 Shinies. (Organization
> balances were not affected, a fact which appears to have been
> intentional in hindsight.)
>
> Afterwards, after some minor paperwork cleanup, nichdel performed the
> following trivially-successful transactions, quoted above:
>
> * Received 50 shinies from Agora via a Welcome Package (nichdel: 50
> sh)
> * Paid 40 shinies to Agora to create 1 stamp in eir own possession
> (nichdel: 10 sh, 1 stamp)
> * Paid 1 shiny to ASaAA (nichdel: 9 sh, 1 stamp; ASaAA: 1 sh)
>
> Finally, e attempted to have ASaAA pay em 8 shinies in exchange for a
> stamp. E noted this as a single transaction. Since ASaAA does not
> have 8 Shinies, by rule 2483:
>
> > Any organization CAN pay Agora, any player, or any other
> > organization by announcement by a member of said organization, as
> > specified in the charter of said organization, unless it would make
> > the organization's balance negative. Any attempt by any player to
> > cause an organization to pay any amount that would make that
> > organization's balance negative is INEFFECTIVE, rules to the
> > contrary notwithstanding.
>
> This payment cannot succeed, and therefore neither can the
> transaction it is part of.
--
ais523
Arbitor
