[akka-user] Re: I'm a freshman to Akka, please recommend me some useful learning material... Thanks a lot.

[Rob Crawford]

The book "Akka Concurrency" is good -- it helped me with understanding some 
of the WHY of supervision, for example.

I saw a link earlier to a minimal project for a cluster application for 
scala -- would that kind of example, but for Java, help? I have some 
experiments I've written for Akka that I could pare down, but I can't swear 
they're best practices. I'd also have to get clearance from my employer, 
but I doubt they'd object, since I haven't convinced them to use Akka yet 
so there's no proprietary information in them.

On Friday, January 20, 2017 at 9:53:41 AM UTC-5, Qian Liu wrote:
>
> Thanks a lot for all the replies.. Since the documents should be good user 
> manual but not purely documents for the developed technologies from the 
> developers' perspectives. It could be good if the docs start by a "Get 
> Started" section (including how to install, configure) to firstly make it 
> runnable. Followed by a 
> 1) high level architecture/structure for the main classes/concepts *or *
> 2) even the background knowledge for the programming model
> would be necessary for a general user manual. not all the beginners have 
> enough background to start using a new toolkit.
> also, the manual should be third party libraries/tools independent, why 
> should a new-comer for Akka know sbt and scala but not maven/gradle and 
> python, etc(since you claim that Akka is also available for Java 
> developers, not all java developers have the same tools in their 
> toolboxes). The user manual should be completely independent from the usage 
> of such tools which only brings the beginners difficulties to contextualize.
>
> BTW, currently I'm using  "Akka in Action" and also "Applied Akka 
> Patterns", especially the latter book, makes me get some feelings about 
> Akka. Actually it's good to 
> 1) start from "Applied Akka Patterns", knowledge about Actor Models 
> 2) then combine with Akka official documents, "Akka in Action" and Akka 
> API docs 
> to learn Akka.
>
> Best regards,
>
> On Thursday, 19 January 2017 20:41:08 UTC+1, Josep Prat wrote:
>>
>> Welcome to Akka!
>> As Lutz already said, I would recommend "Akka in Action". The only catch 
>> is that the code is mainly in Scala.
>> I have a question though, why do you say the official documentation is 
>> terrible? I personally find Akka docs quite good. What would you change/add 
>> to the current ones?
>>
>> Best,
>> Josep
>>
>> On Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 2:34:29 PM UTC+1, Qian Liu wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello everybody,
>>>
>>> I'm new-comer to Akka, the official documents for Akka learning is 
>>> terrible. not very well structured. Beginners will soon feel lost with 
>>> these official documents. Do you know any better resources to learn? I'm a 
>>> java developer.
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Qian Liu
>>>
>>

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Re: [akka-user] Re: I'm a freshman to Akka, please recommend me some useful learning material... Thanks a lot.

[Patrik Nordwall]

Thanks for feedback. We are painfully aware of that the getting started
experience is horrible. We are working on it since a few months back, but
it takes a lot of times and there tend to be other things that get more
attention. We'll continue the effort with writing a good getting started
guide.

The reference documentation is also in need of improvements. Pull requests
are very welcome at any time for improvements of things like typos,
grammar, oversights, difficult language, unclear or wrong content. One
thing we are doing is to convert it to Paradox
 (markdown) to make
it easier for one-time contributors to help out with small improvements. It
also needs structural improvements that must be done by the the core team.
The asset is that it is rather complete and up to date, covering all
features.



On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 11:33 PM, Qing Zheng  wrote:

> I totally agree with you. I am in the process of evaluating. Hazelcast and
> Akka. The documentation and code examples of Hazelcast is much better. I
> can quickly have a sense what I need to do if  I were to use Hazelcast.
> However it is not the case for Akka.  Don't get me wrong, I do like some of
> Akka's features. There are a lot of information,however, they are not
> presented in a useful way for a reader to quickly grasp what need to done.
> The sample examples are not that helpful either especially for java
> developers.
>
>   Thanks
>   Qing
>
> On Friday, January 20, 2017 at 5:27:17 AM UTC-8, Mike Nielsen wrote:
>>
>> If I may be permitted to chime in here with my $0.02, some observations
>> as an Akka bootstrapper:
>>
>> Everybody has their own learning style -- some people I know can read
>> even a fairly dense API spec and start writing code.  Personally, I need to
>> get started on a problem-solving basis so in the early days:  I'm more of a
>> monkey-see-monkey-do person, taking existing code and trying to shape it to
>> fit my particular use-case.
>>
>> For learners like me some of the examples of code are a little terse --
>> they don't show enough context.  Looking at them in retrospect, they are
>> adequate, but in prospect they can be a little obscure.
>>
>> While I haven't yet the skill to construct them myself (I'm an akka
>> hobbyist, not a professional), what might be useful is to draw the code
>> examples from a working code-base so they can be seen in the context of a
>> project the student can build and run.  Many of the official Java tutorials
>> do this reasonably well.  I know there are some good Activator samples
>> available, but they don't correspond to the examples in the Akka
>> documentation and their internal documentation can be rather sparse.
>>
>> The Activator samples, once you understand them, are very clever, but the
>> cleverness can obscure the basics.  An analogy: I love a good proof in
>> mathematics and can appreciate the elegance and beauty therein, but
>> understanding a proof and gleaning generalizable skill from it can be two
>> different things. What makes the proof a good learning tool (for people
>> like me) is an explanation of the motivation and methods that went into its
>> derivation.  Something similar for code samples would be very helpful.
>>
>> Also, in some of the examples it can be a little hard to distinguish
>> between those aspects of the code that are essential to the point being
>> made and those that are not but nonetheless required to make compilable
>> code -- detailed explanations of the examples would go a long way to
>> enhancing their illustrative value.
>>
>> I feel bad suggesting work for others to do, and my suggestions might be
>> out of the scope of what's intended for the documentation, but I hope you
>> can sympathize with my position: I'm not yet sufficiently knowledgable to
>> be writing books or tutorials, and offer my comments in response to your
>> interest in improving the Akka experience for novices.
>>
>> Thank you for your patience in reading this.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 3:07 PM, Josep Prat  wrote:
>>
>>> As former participant of that course, I think they would be a great
>>> addition to the current documentation assets. But I'm still interested in
>>> what the OP thinks it would improve a freshman experience.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Josep
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 8:59:53 PM UTC+1, rkuhn wrote:

 While “terrible” is pretty strong wording I think it is fair to say
 that Akka has very good reference documentation but its initial learning
 experience can be improved. Would it help if some of the video courses were
 available (for free, of course) that were part of Principles of Reactive
 Programming?

 Regards, Roland

 Sent from my iPhone

 On 19 Jan 2017, at 20:41, Josep Prat  wrote:

 Welcome to Akka!
 As Lutz already said, I would recommend "Akka in 

Re: [akka-user] Re: I'm a freshman to Akka, please recommend me some useful learning material... Thanks a lot.

[Qing Zheng]

I totally agree with you. I am in the process of evaluating. Hazelcast and 
Akka. The documentation and code examples of Hazelcast is much better. I 
can quickly have a sense what I need to do if  I were to use Hazelcast. 
However it is not the case for Akka.  Don't get me wrong, I do like some of 
Akka's features. There are a lot of information,however, they are not 
presented in a useful way for a reader to quickly grasp what need to done. 
The sample examples are not that helpful either especially for java 
developers.

  Thanks
  Qing

On Friday, January 20, 2017 at 5:27:17 AM UTC-8, Mike Nielsen wrote:
>
> If I may be permitted to chime in here with my $0.02, some observations as 
> an Akka bootstrapper:
>
> Everybody has their own learning style -- some people I know can read even 
> a fairly dense API spec and start writing code.  Personally, I need to get 
> started on a problem-solving basis so in the early days:  I'm more of a 
> monkey-see-monkey-do person, taking existing code and trying to shape it to 
> fit my particular use-case. 
>
> For learners like me some of the examples of code are a little terse -- 
> they don't show enough context.  Looking at them in retrospect, they are 
> adequate, but in prospect they can be a little obscure.  
>
> While I haven't yet the skill to construct them myself (I'm an akka 
> hobbyist, not a professional), what might be useful is to draw the code 
> examples from a working code-base so they can be seen in the context of a 
> project the student can build and run.  Many of the official Java tutorials 
> do this reasonably well.  I know there are some good Activator samples 
> available, but they don't correspond to the examples in the Akka 
> documentation and their internal documentation can be rather sparse.  
>
> The Activator samples, once you understand them, are very clever, but the 
> cleverness can obscure the basics.  An analogy: I love a good proof in 
> mathematics and can appreciate the elegance and beauty therein, but 
> understanding a proof and gleaning generalizable skill from it can be two 
> different things. What makes the proof a good learning tool (for people 
> like me) is an explanation of the motivation and methods that went into its 
> derivation.  Something similar for code samples would be very helpful.
>
> Also, in some of the examples it can be a little hard to distinguish 
> between those aspects of the code that are essential to the point being 
> made and those that are not but nonetheless required to make compilable 
> code -- detailed explanations of the examples would go a long way to 
> enhancing their illustrative value.
>
> I feel bad suggesting work for others to do, and my suggestions might be 
> out of the scope of what's intended for the documentation, but I hope you 
> can sympathize with my position: I'm not yet sufficiently knowledgable to 
> be writing books or tutorials, and offer my comments in response to your 
> interest in improving the Akka experience for novices.
>
> Thank you for your patience in reading this.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
>
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 3:07 PM, Josep Prat  > wrote:
>
>> As former participant of that course, I think they would be a great 
>> addition to the current documentation assets. But I'm still interested in 
>> what the OP thinks it would improve a freshman experience.
>>
>> Best,
>> Josep
>>
>> On Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 8:59:53 PM UTC+1, rkuhn wrote:
>>>
>>> While “terrible” is pretty strong wording I think it is fair to say that 
>>> Akka has very good reference documentation but its initial learning 
>>> experience can be improved. Would it help if some of the video courses were 
>>> available (for free, of course) that were part of Principles of Reactive 
>>> Programming?
>>>
>>> Regards, Roland 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 19 Jan 2017, at 20:41, Josep Prat  wrote:
>>>
>>> Welcome to Akka!
>>> As Lutz already said, I would recommend "Akka in Action". The only catch 
>>> is that the code is mainly in Scala.
>>> I have a question though, why do you say the official documentation is 
>>> terrible? I personally find Akka docs quite good. What would you change/add 
>>> to the current ones?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Josep
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 2:34:29 PM UTC+1, Qian Liu wrote:

 Hello everybody,

 I'm new-comer to Akka, the official documents for Akka learning is 
 terrible. not very well structured. Beginners will soon feel lost with 
 these official documents. Do you know any better resources to learn? I'm a 
 java developer.

 Thanks a lot.

 Best regards,

 Qian Liu

>>> -- 
>>> >> Read the docs: http://akka.io/docs/
>>> >> Check the FAQ: 
>>> http://doc.akka.io/docs/akka/current/additional/faq.html
>>> >> Search the archives: 
>>> https://groups.google.com/group/akka-user
>>> --- 
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[akka-user] Re: I'm a freshman to Akka, please recommend me some useful learning material... Thanks a lot.

[Qian Liu]

Thanks a lot for all the replies.. Since the documents should be good user 
manual but not purely documents for the developed technologies from the 
developers' perspectives. It could be good if the docs start by a "Get 
Started" section (including how to install, configure) to firstly make it 
runnable. Followed by a 
1) high level architecture/structure for the main classes/concepts *or *
2) even the background knowledge for the programming model
would be necessary for a general user manual. not all the beginners have 
enough background to start using a new toolkit.
also, the manual should be third party libraries/tools independent, why 
should a new-comer for Akka know sbt and scala but not maven/gradle and 
python, etc(since you claim that Akka is also available for Java 
developers, not all java developers have the same tools in their 
toolboxes). The user manual should be completely independent from the usage 
of such tools which only brings the beginners difficulties to contextualize.

BTW, currently I'm using  "Akka in Action" and also "Applied Akka 
Patterns", especially the latter book, makes me get some feelings about 
Akka. Actually it's good to 
1) start from "Applied Akka Patterns", knowledge about Actor Models 
2) then combine with Akka official documents, "Akka in Action" and Akka API 
docs 
to learn Akka.

Best regards,

On Thursday, 19 January 2017 20:41:08 UTC+1, Josep Prat wrote:
>
> Welcome to Akka!
> As Lutz already said, I would recommend "Akka in Action". The only catch 
> is that the code is mainly in Scala.
> I have a question though, why do you say the official documentation is 
> terrible? I personally find Akka docs quite good. What would you change/add 
> to the current ones?
>
> Best,
> Josep
>
> On Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 2:34:29 PM UTC+1, Qian Liu wrote:
>>
>> Hello everybody,
>>
>> I'm new-comer to Akka, the official documents for Akka learning is 
>> terrible. not very well structured. Beginners will soon feel lost with 
>> these official documents. Do you know any better resources to learn? I'm a 
>> java developer.
>>
>> Thanks a lot.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Qian Liu
>>
>

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Re: [akka-user] Re: I'm a freshman to Akka, please recommend me some useful learning material... Thanks a lot.

[Mike Nielsen]

If I may be permitted to chime in here with my $0.02, some observations as
an Akka bootstrapper:

Everybody has their own learning style -- some people I know can read even
a fairly dense API spec and start writing code.  Personally, I need to get
started on a problem-solving basis so in the early days:  I'm more of a
monkey-see-monkey-do person, taking existing code and trying to shape it to
fit my particular use-case.

For learners like me some of the examples of code are a little terse --
they don't show enough context.  Looking at them in retrospect, they are
adequate, but in prospect they can be a little obscure.

While I haven't yet the skill to construct them myself (I'm an akka
hobbyist, not a professional), what might be useful is to draw the code
examples from a working code-base so they can be seen in the context of a
project the student can build and run.  Many of the official Java tutorials
do this reasonably well.  I know there are some good Activator samples
available, but they don't correspond to the examples in the Akka
documentation and their internal documentation can be rather sparse.

The Activator samples, once you understand them, are very clever, but the
cleverness can obscure the basics.  An analogy: I love a good proof in
mathematics and can appreciate the elegance and beauty therein, but
understanding a proof and gleaning generalizable skill from it can be two
different things. What makes the proof a good learning tool (for people
like me) is an explanation of the motivation and methods that went into its
derivation.  Something similar for code samples would be very helpful.

Also, in some of the examples it can be a little hard to distinguish
between those aspects of the code that are essential to the point being
made and those that are not but nonetheless required to make compilable
code -- detailed explanations of the examples would go a long way to
enhancing their illustrative value.

I feel bad suggesting work for others to do, and my suggestions might be
out of the scope of what's intended for the documentation, but I hope you
can sympathize with my position: I'm not yet sufficiently knowledgable to
be writing books or tutorials, and offer my comments in response to your
interest in improving the Akka experience for novices.

Thank you for your patience in reading this.

Regards,

Mike

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 3:07 PM, Josep Prat  wrote:

> As former participant of that course, I think they would be a great
> addition to the current documentation assets. But I'm still interested in
> what the OP thinks it would improve a freshman experience.
>
> Best,
> Josep
>
> On Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 8:59:53 PM UTC+1, rkuhn wrote:
>>
>> While “terrible” is pretty strong wording I think it is fair to say that
>> Akka has very good reference documentation but its initial learning
>> experience can be improved. Would it help if some of the video courses were
>> available (for free, of course) that were part of Principles of Reactive
>> Programming?
>>
>> Regards, Roland
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 19 Jan 2017, at 20:41, Josep Prat  wrote:
>>
>> Welcome to Akka!
>> As Lutz already said, I would recommend "Akka in Action". The only catch
>> is that the code is mainly in Scala.
>> I have a question though, why do you say the official documentation is
>> terrible? I personally find Akka docs quite good. What would you change/add
>> to the current ones?
>>
>> Best,
>> Josep
>>
>> On Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 2:34:29 PM UTC+1, Qian Liu wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello everybody,
>>>
>>> I'm new-comer to Akka, the official documents for Akka learning is
>>> terrible. not very well structured. Beginners will soon feel lost with
>>> these official documents. Do you know any better resources to learn? I'm a
>>> java developer.
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Qian Liu
>>>
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[Josep Prat]

As former participant of that course, I think they would be a great 
addition to the current documentation assets. But I'm still interested in 
what the OP thinks it would improve a freshman experience.

Best,
Josep

On Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 8:59:53 PM UTC+1, rkuhn wrote:
>
> While “terrible” is pretty strong wording I think it is fair to say that 
> Akka has very good reference documentation but its initial learning 
> experience can be improved. Would it help if some of the video courses were 
> available (for free, of course) that were part of Principles of Reactive 
> Programming?
>
> Regards, Roland 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 19 Jan 2017, at 20:41, Josep Prat  
> wrote:
>
> Welcome to Akka!
> As Lutz already said, I would recommend "Akka in Action". The only catch 
> is that the code is mainly in Scala.
> I have a question though, why do you say the official documentation is 
> terrible? I personally find Akka docs quite good. What would you change/add 
> to the current ones?
>
> Best,
> Josep
>
> On Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 2:34:29 PM UTC+1, Qian Liu wrote:
>>
>> Hello everybody,
>>
>> I'm new-comer to Akka, the official documents for Akka learning is 
>> terrible. not very well structured. Beginners will soon feel lost with 
>> these official documents. Do you know any better resources to learn? I'm a 
>> java developer.
>>
>> Thanks a lot.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Qian Liu
>>
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Re: [akka-user] Re: I'm a freshman to Akka, please recommend me some useful learning material... Thanks a lot.

[Roland Kuhn]

While “terrible” is pretty strong wording I think it is fair to say that Akka 
has very good reference documentation but its initial learning experience can 
be improved. Would it help if some of the video courses were available (for 
free, of course) that were part of Principles of Reactive Programming?

Regards, Roland 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 19 Jan 2017, at 20:41, Josep Prat  wrote:
> 
> Welcome to Akka!
> As Lutz already said, I would recommend "Akka in Action". The only catch is 
> that the code is mainly in Scala.
> I have a question though, why do you say the official documentation is 
> terrible? I personally find Akka docs quite good. What would you change/add 
> to the current ones?
> 
> Best,
> Josep
> 
>> On Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 2:34:29 PM UTC+1, Qian Liu wrote:
>> Hello everybody,
>> 
>> I'm new-comer to Akka, the official documents for Akka learning is terrible. 
>> not very well structured. Beginners will soon feel lost with these official 
>> documents. Do you know any better resources to learn? I'm a java developer.
>> 
>> Thanks a lot.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Qian Liu
> 
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[akka-user] Re: I'm a freshman to Akka, please recommend me some useful learning material... Thanks a lot.

[Josep Prat]

Welcome to Akka!
As Lutz already said, I would recommend "Akka in Action". The only catch is 
that the code is mainly in Scala.
I have a question though, why do you say the official documentation is 
terrible? I personally find Akka docs quite good. What would you change/add 
to the current ones?

Best,
Josep

On Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 2:34:29 PM UTC+1, Qian Liu wrote:
>
> Hello everybody,
>
> I'm new-comer to Akka, the official documents for Akka learning is 
> terrible. not very well structured. Beginners will soon feel lost with 
> these official documents. Do you know any better resources to learn? I'm a 
> java developer.
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Qian Liu
>

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[akka-user] Re: I'm a freshman to Akka, please recommend me some useful learning material... Thanks a lot.

[lutzh]

I hear Akka in Action https://www.manning.com/books/akka-in-action is 
pretty good. Apparently you can read the first 3 chapters for free if you 
sign up for the newsletter on the Lightbend 
website: https://www.lightbend.com/resources/e-books

Hope this helps,
Lutz



On Thursday, 19 January 2017 14:34:29 UTC+1, Qian Liu wrote:
>
> Hello everybody,
>
> I'm new-comer to Akka, the official documents for Akka learning is 
> terrible. not very well structured. Beginners will soon feel lost with 
> these official documents. Do you know any better resources to learn? I'm a 
> java developer.
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Qian Liu
>

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