Present: Art Anger, John Baker, Raul Miller, and Bob Therriault
1) The meeting began with John speaking about his habits of using the wiki and
the thing that he often checks is the recent changes.
https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1=100=30=1=2
This means that he has two wikis to check and wonders about the differences
in the changes he is seeing. Raul explains that the prototype (yellow icon)
wiki https://code2.jsoftware.com/wiki/Main_Page is really just for
experimentation and we are not trying to duplicate all of the changes that
occur in the current (blue icon) wiki.
https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Main_Page John wonders when the changes that he
sees in prototype wiki will appear in the current wiki. Bob says that is an
excellent question and currently he is looking at building a category tree in
the current wiki that will not affect the content, but will serve as a
navigation aide. Currently he is working on confirming the tree structure.
https://code2.jsoftware.com/wiki/Site_Map That should be complete in the next
two weeks and then the category tree should be operational by the end of
February with links to the pages in the current wiki. After that there will be
more work to do on the content as out of date pages might be brought up to date
or examples in NuVoc might be attached to the J Playground when there is a
permanent URL for it. https://jsoftware.github.io/j-playground/bin/html2/
2) Bob then had a hitch as he could not share his screen, but used chat links
to show what he had done with the category trees.
https://code2.jsoftware.com/wiki/Category:Home Category pages can also contain
content which allows them to provide content to the pages that are attached to
those categories. The category trees would include sections for developers as
well as newcomers, references, community and the J Playground
3) Bob then reviews the draft he has created of the category hierarchy.
https://code2.jsoftware.com/wiki/Site_Map This list is in bullet point but
would actually be in 1.2.1.3 format which would indicate the first section as
Newcomers with the second category of Newcomers at the next level. Raul points
out that the Dewey Decimal system does this without the '.'s, but the dots
avoid ordering conflicts since the number identification is included in the
name of the category. Raul asks how newcomers would know which sections to look
for. Bob misinterprets this as adding to the wiki and suggests that at that
point the wiki committee would be involved to suggest where pages might be
linked to the category tree.
4) Changes to the category tree were then discussed. If a new category was to
be added, the new category could easily be added to an end of a subcategory. If
a new category were to be inserted into a level then that could be accommodated
by changing the numbering of the categories at that level, which be a little
more work, but manageable. The real challenge would be if subcategories were
moved to a different part of the tree as that would involve renaming a very
large number of downstream categories. Ideally new information would be added
to an existing category and in fact a page could be attached to a number of
categories, with the category perhaps providing a different context for the
information.
5) As an example, Bob showed the home page that he has put together in the
prototype. https://code2.jsoftware.com/wiki/Category:Home From there we
explored the newcomer area and the way that the hierarchy trees would look on
the home page. The category tree would only appear on the home page, the page
map on the side bar, and the J code search bar that also includes a link to
NuVoc. Raul mentioned the help link in the page notices space above content.
The feeling is that that could be removed as it is not useful for the way that
we are using categories. Subtrees below the home page would not have a category
tree displayed but would have access to the side bar and the J code search bar.
John had seen the trees appear over the past weeks and felt that the navigation
was an improvement. He did express that if it created too much work to maintain
that should be avoided. The feeling was that once the trees were in place the
maintenance would be adding the categories to new pages which would be expected
to be done by the page creator.
6) John suggested that it might be a good thing to have pages rated by users
and using those ratings to identify the most useful pages. He also mentioned
that chatGPT might be something that could be used in the future. ChatGPT would
need to be trained on the J wiki to be a source of credible information. Bob
mentioned the idea that bookmarks might be curated by users and available to
others. Initially, it might be done manually and if effective might be possible
to be done with a bot and a hot button to create a link. This also brought in a
discussion about the use of User
