Re: [all-audio] USB Turn Table and JAWS
Hey Steve. Yeah, it could be. As soon as it plugged in windows started downloading a driver for it, so I know it's not using a generic uSB audio Windows driver. During this time, speech was never interrupted. I also have a Logitech desktop camera that has a microphone built in, and its use (though it's lower quality than the Snowball so I don't normally allow it to be an audio input) also doesn't cut off sound output. I would think that if a turntable takes over the sound output that actually sounds like some sort of bug, since it isn't in itself a speaker and you shouldn't have to change your connections just so you can still hear sound and use the turntable. -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson Sent: May 27, 2023 12:18 PM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Re: [all-audio] USB Turn Table and JAWS JM, This is good to know. I wonder if it is a function of the driver. I have a USB Microphone without headphones and was relating my experience with that microphone. It stands to reason that a device should be able to control whether it can receive data to play or not. What is it they often say, "Your results may vary." I appreciate knowing this is not always the case with respect to USB microphones. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2023 10:59 AM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Re: [all-audio] USB Turn Table and JAWS Hey. This is some good to know information. I don't think it should happen with most USB microphones though. It never did with mine. I think Windows can distinguish between an input and output device, or at least it should. My USB microphone is not a headset; it's a Snowball mic that sits on my desk, and doesn't interfere with sound output and never has since the first time I plugged it in. -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson Sent: May 27, 2023 11:34 AM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Re: [all-audio] USB Turn Table and JAWS Robert, When you plug in another USB device that converts sound, a second sound card is created. Normally, it becomes the default sound card, and all sound sources follow the default and try to use the newly established sound card. In this case, it is your USB turntable which can't play sounds, so all sound seems to disappear. The same thing usually happens with a USB microphone as well. If you use USB headphones, you usually want this to happen, but obviously it is not desired if the device you are plugging in can't play sounds. The easiest way around this in the short term is to do the following. If you are not hearing speech, press JAWSKEY plus SPACE, then the letter V, and then the letter C, and finally press DOWN ARROW until you hear speech again. This command rotates through all of your selected sound card. When you hear speech, you should hear the name of the sound card that is now being used. However, I don't think this makes the change permanent. To make the change permanent, bring up the JAWS window while you still have speech. Press the ALT key to bring up the Utilities pulldown. You could also press ALT U. Arrow down to Sound Card Submenu. Open up the submenu with right arrow and explore the options. One option will likely be Windows Default Sound Card and it will tell you that it is checked. This means that JAWS will follow the Windows default and that is why you are losing speech because your turntable is becoming the default when you plug it in. Explore the other options that show using the UP and DOWN arrow keys. When you find the one that is the option that you want JAWS to use, press ENTER. These are not the normal check boxes but are the menu check boxes such as you often see on view menus. You will exit the menu after pressing ENTER, but you should be able to go back to the submenu and make sure the new choice is checked. Don't press ENTER again, though, or you will uncheck it. Leave by pressing ESCAPE or by pressing the ALT key to close the menu without making a change. Plugging in your turntable should now not cause JAWS to lose speech. Unfortunately, you will need to explore this further before you actually make recordings. Your USB turntable documentation may have other instructions about your sound settings or others here may be able to give you better help. However, you don't want your windows sounds to go to your turntable, either, because they could show up in your recording. There is a place where you can tell windows not to use your turntable as a playback device. This should prevent this from happening, and may allow you to set JAWS back to the windows default. However, how to get to this varies some with the version of Windows. Getting to Control Panel and then Sound is one way. You can select playback devices, and then perhaps Properties. There is a checkbox as I recall that says to not use this device as a playback
Re: [all-audio] USB Turn Table and JAWS
JM, This is good to know. I wonder if it is a function of the driver. I have a USB Microphone without headphones and was relating my experience with that microphone. It stands to reason that a device should be able to control whether it can receive data to play or not. What is it they often say, "Your results may vary." I appreciate knowing this is not always the case with respect to USB microphones. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2023 10:59 AM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Re: [all-audio] USB Turn Table and JAWS Hey. This is some good to know information. I don't think it should happen with most USB microphones though. It never did with mine. I think Windows can distinguish between an input and output device, or at least it should. My USB microphone is not a headset; it's a Snowball mic that sits on my desk, and doesn't interfere with sound output and never has since the first time I plugged it in. -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson Sent: May 27, 2023 11:34 AM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Re: [all-audio] USB Turn Table and JAWS Robert, When you plug in another USB device that converts sound, a second sound card is created. Normally, it becomes the default sound card, and all sound sources follow the default and try to use the newly established sound card. In this case, it is your USB turntable which can't play sounds, so all sound seems to disappear. The same thing usually happens with a USB microphone as well. If you use USB headphones, you usually want this to happen, but obviously it is not desired if the device you are plugging in can't play sounds. The easiest way around this in the short term is to do the following. If you are not hearing speech, press JAWSKEY plus SPACE, then the letter V, and then the letter C, and finally press DOWN ARROW until you hear speech again. This command rotates through all of your selected sound card. When you hear speech, you should hear the name of the sound card that is now being used. However, I don't think this makes the change permanent. To make the change permanent, bring up the JAWS window while you still have speech. Press the ALT key to bring up the Utilities pulldown. You could also press ALT U. Arrow down to Sound Card Submenu. Open up the submenu with right arrow and explore the options. One option will likely be Windows Default Sound Card and it will tell you that it is checked. This means that JAWS will follow the Windows default and that is why you are losing speech because your turntable is becoming the default when you plug it in. Explore the other options that show using the UP and DOWN arrow keys. When you find the one that is the option that you want JAWS to use, press ENTER. These are not the normal check boxes but are the menu check boxes such as you often see on view menus. You will exit the menu after pressing ENTER, but you should be able to go back to the submenu and make sure the new choice is checked. Don't press ENTER again, though, or you will uncheck it. Leave by pressing ESCAPE or by pressing the ALT key to close the menu without making a change. Plugging in your turntable should now not cause JAWS to lose speech. Unfortunately, you will need to explore this further before you actually make recordings. Your USB turntable documentation may have other instructions about your sound settings or others here may be able to give you better help. However, you don't want your windows sounds to go to your turntable, either, because they could show up in your recording. There is a place where you can tell windows not to use your turntable as a playback device. This should prevent this from happening, and may allow you to set JAWS back to the windows default. However, how to get to this varies some with the version of Windows. Getting to Control Panel and then Sound is one way. You can select playback devices, and then perhaps Properties. There is a checkbox as I recall that says to not use this device as a playback device. However, this could be affected by your version of Windows or even the sound card driver, so it is hard to give better advice on this. While in the Sound option of Control panel, you can also go to the "record" tab, pick your turntable, go to properties, and on one of the tabs there is an option to hear the device. Checking this box might allow you to hear your turntable. Again, others may know a better way to deal with all of this. Good luck. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of Robert Byers via groups.io Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2023 2:28 AM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Re: [all-audio] USB Turn Table and JAWS You will another sound card, and use JAWS though that card so as JAWS won't be lost. -Original
Re: [all-audio] USB Turn Table and JAWS
Hey. This is some good to know information. I don't think it should happen with most USB microphones though. It never did with mine. I think Windows can distinguish between an input and output device, or at least it should. My USB microphone is not a headset; it's a Snowball mic that sits on my desk, and doesn't interfere with sound output and never has since the first time I plugged it in. -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson Sent: May 27, 2023 11:34 AM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Re: [all-audio] USB Turn Table and JAWS Robert, When you plug in another USB device that converts sound, a second sound card is created. Normally, it becomes the default sound card, and all sound sources follow the default and try to use the newly established sound card. In this case, it is your USB turntable which can't play sounds, so all sound seems to disappear. The same thing usually happens with a USB microphone as well. If you use USB headphones, you usually want this to happen, but obviously it is not desired if the device you are plugging in can't play sounds. The easiest way around this in the short term is to do the following. If you are not hearing speech, press JAWSKEY plus SPACE, then the letter V, and then the letter C, and finally press DOWN ARROW until you hear speech again. This command rotates through all of your selected sound card. When you hear speech, you should hear the name of the sound card that is now being used. However, I don't think this makes the change permanent. To make the change permanent, bring up the JAWS window while you still have speech. Press the ALT key to bring up the Utilities pulldown. You could also press ALT U. Arrow down to Sound Card Submenu. Open up the submenu with right arrow and explore the options. One option will likely be Windows Default Sound Card and it will tell you that it is checked. This means that JAWS will follow the Windows default and that is why you are losing speech because your turntable is becoming the default when you plug it in. Explore the other options that show using the UP and DOWN arrow keys. When you find the one that is the option that you want JAWS to use, press ENTER. These are not the normal check boxes but are the menu check boxes such as you often see on view menus. You will exit the menu after pressing ENTER, but you should be able to go back to the submenu and make sure the new choice is checked. Don't press ENTER again, though, or you will uncheck it. Leave by pressing ESCAPE or by pressing the ALT key to close the menu without making a change. Plugging in your turntable should now not cause JAWS to lose speech. Unfortunately, you will need to explore this further before you actually make recordings. Your USB turntable documentation may have other instructions about your sound settings or others here may be able to give you better help. However, you don't want your windows sounds to go to your turntable, either, because they could show up in your recording. There is a place where you can tell windows not to use your turntable as a playback device. This should prevent this from happening, and may allow you to set JAWS back to the windows default. However, how to get to this varies some with the version of Windows. Getting to Control Panel and then Sound is one way. You can select playback devices, and then perhaps Properties. There is a checkbox as I recall that says to not use this device as a playback device. However, this could be affected by your version of Windows or even the sound card driver, so it is hard to give better advice on this. While in the Sound option of Control panel, you can also go to the "record" tab, pick your turntable, go to properties, and on one of the tabs there is an option to hear the device. Checking this box might allow you to hear your turntable. Again, others may know a better way to deal with all of this. Good luck. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of Robert Byers via groups.io Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2023 2:28 AM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Re: [all-audio] USB Turn Table and JAWS You will another sound card, and use JAWS though that card so as JAWS won't be lost. -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of Rob Sent: Saturday, 27 May 2023 6:15 AM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: [all-audio] USB Turn Table and JAWS I have a USB turn table with a built-in preamp. Whenever I plug the USB cable into my computer, I lose the speech from JAWS. I have read that the USB turn table takes over the sound card. But when I played a record, I didn't hear any sound from the speakers. I want to digitize my LP collection. I need some tips from an audio expert to get my turn table, JAWS 2023, and my recording software playing nice with each other. I will probably use Reaper to record the LP's. Rob -- This email has been checked
Re: [all-audio] USB Turn Table and JAWS
Robert, When you plug in another USB device that converts sound, a second sound card is created. Normally, it becomes the default sound card, and all sound sources follow the default and try to use the newly established sound card. In this case, it is your USB turntable which can't play sounds, so all sound seems to disappear. The same thing usually happens with a USB microphone as well. If you use USB headphones, you usually want this to happen, but obviously it is not desired if the device you are plugging in can't play sounds. The easiest way around this in the short term is to do the following. If you are not hearing speech, press JAWSKEY plus SPACE, then the letter V, and then the letter C, and finally press DOWN ARROW until you hear speech again. This command rotates through all of your selected sound card. When you hear speech, you should hear the name of the sound card that is now being used. However, I don't think this makes the change permanent. To make the change permanent, bring up the JAWS window while you still have speech. Press the ALT key to bring up the Utilities pulldown. You could also press ALT U. Arrow down to Sound Card Submenu. Open up the submenu with right arrow and explore the options. One option will likely be Windows Default Sound Card and it will tell you that it is checked. This means that JAWS will follow the Windows default and that is why you are losing speech because your turntable is becoming the default when you plug it in. Explore the other options that show using the UP and DOWN arrow keys. When you find the one that is the option that you want JAWS to use, press ENTER. These are not the normal check boxes but are the menu check boxes such as you often see on view menus. You will exit the menu after pressing ENTER, but you should be able to go back to the submenu and make sure the new choice is checked. Don't press ENTER again, though, or you will uncheck it. Leave by pressing ESCAPE or by pressing the ALT key to close the menu without making a change. Plugging in your turntable should now not cause JAWS to lose speech. Unfortunately, you will need to explore this further before you actually make recordings. Your USB turntable documentation may have other instructions about your sound settings or others here may be able to give you better help. However, you don't want your windows sounds to go to your turntable, either, because they could show up in your recording. There is a place where you can tell windows not to use your turntable as a playback device. This should prevent this from happening, and may allow you to set JAWS back to the windows default. However, how to get to this varies some with the version of Windows. Getting to Control Panel and then Sound is one way. You can select playback devices, and then perhaps Properties. There is a checkbox as I recall that says to not use this device as a playback device. However, this could be affected by your version of Windows or even the sound card driver, so it is hard to give better advice on this. While in the Sound option of Control panel, you can also go to the "record" tab, pick your turntable, go to properties, and on one of the tabs there is an option to hear the device. Checking this box might allow you to hear your turntable. Again, others may know a better way to deal with all of this. Good luck. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of Robert Byers via groups.io Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2023 2:28 AM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Re: [all-audio] USB Turn Table and JAWS You will another sound card, and use JAWS though that card so as JAWS won't be lost. -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of Rob Sent: Saturday, 27 May 2023 6:15 AM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: [all-audio] USB Turn Table and JAWS I have a USB turn table with a built-in preamp. Whenever I plug the USB cable into my computer, I lose the speech from JAWS. I have read that the USB turn table takes over the sound card. But when I played a record, I didn't hear any sound from the speakers. I want to digitize my LP collection. I need some tips from an audio expert to get my turn table, JAWS 2023, and my recording software playing nice with each other. I will probably use Reaper to record the LP's. Rob -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. http://www.avg.com/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#4418): https://groups.io/g/all-audio/message/4418 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/99157230/21656 Group Owner: all-audio+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/all-audio/leave/1074140/21656/405281159/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Re: [all-audio] USB Turn Table and JAWS
Hello, It is windows having a stupid idea of what should be your default sound source. Simply tell jaws to use the speakers not the default. Better still tell windows that your speakers are the default. A simple search for your OS will tell you how to change the default. i.e. "Windows 10 default sound". Regards, > On 26 May 2023, at 21:15, Rob wrote: > > I have a USB turn table with a built-in preamp. Whenever I plug the USB > cable into my computer, I lose the speech from JAWS. I have read that the > USB turn table takes over the sound card. But when I played a record, I > didn't hear any sound from the speakers. > > > > I want to digitize my LP collection. I need some tips from an audio expert > to get my turn table, JAWS 2023, and my recording software playing nice with > each other. I will probably use Reaper to record the LP's. > > > > Rob > > > > > > Georgina ***NOTE*** I am changing my email structure. Please change the held contact email address to: g...@m0ebp.uk Thank You! Radio Contact info: Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Allstar: 52178 52340 Locater: IO83PS -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#4417): https://groups.io/g/all-audio/message/4417 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/99157230/21656 Group Owner: all-audio+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/all-audio/leave/1074140/21656/405281159/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Re: [all-audio] USB Turn Table and JAWS
Thinking something similar. Just put in another sound card in if you have one and make your screen reader run through that specific card rather than most likely the default, then plug in your USB turntable. -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of Robert Byers via groups.io Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2023 00:28 To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Re: [all-audio] USB Turn Table and JAWS You will another sound card, and use JAWS though that card so as JAWS won't be lost. -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of Rob Sent: Saturday, 27 May 2023 6:15 AM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: [all-audio] USB Turn Table and JAWS I have a USB turn table with a built-in preamp. Whenever I plug the USB cable into my computer, I lose the speech from JAWS. I have read that the USB turn table takes over the sound card. But when I played a record, I didn't hear any sound from the speakers. I want to digitize my LP collection. I need some tips from an audio expert to get my turn table, JAWS 2023, and my recording software playing nice with each other. I will probably use Reaper to record the LP's. Rob -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#4416): https://groups.io/g/all-audio/message/4416 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/99157230/21656 Group Owner: all-audio+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/all-audio/leave/1074140/21656/405281159/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Re: [all-audio] USB Turn Table and JAWS
You will another sound card, and use JAWS though that card so as JAWS won't be lost. -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of Rob Sent: Saturday, 27 May 2023 6:15 AM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: [all-audio] USB Turn Table and JAWS I have a USB turn table with a built-in preamp. Whenever I plug the USB cable into my computer, I lose the speech from JAWS. I have read that the USB turn table takes over the sound card. But when I played a record, I didn't hear any sound from the speakers. I want to digitize my LP collection. I need some tips from an audio expert to get my turn table, JAWS 2023, and my recording software playing nice with each other. I will probably use Reaper to record the LP's. Rob -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#4415): https://groups.io/g/all-audio/message/4415 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/99157230/21656 Group Owner: all-audio+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/all-audio/leave/1074140/21656/405281159/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
