[sc-issues] [Issue 85362] Calc: Default Formatting r uins dates

2010-02-11 Thread ggravier
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--- Additional comments from ggrav...@openoffice.org Thu Feb 11 08:38:24 
+ 2010 ---
This is more of a UI bug. When selecting default format for cells, the term
default is taken by users to mean default for the type I specified (i.e. if
the cell is a date, it should be default date format for my country).
Unfortunately, in a spreadsheet, default simply means number, integer. So
the Default formatting option should be called Reset to default spreadsheet
format : integer number.

There is no silver bullet. Date operations are made on integers. Not 2
individuals will agree on what is a default format for a date depending on what
type of use for that date they want.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 85362] Calc: Default Formatting r uins dates

2010-02-11 Thread dotancohen
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--- Additional comments from dotanco...@openoffice.org Thu Feb 11 12:54:20 
+ 2010 ---
 This is more of a UI bug. When selecting default format for cells, the
 term default is taken by users to mean default for the type I
 specified (i.e. if the cell is a date, it should be default date
 format for my country). Unfortunately, in a spreadsheet, default
 simply means number, integer. So the Default formatting option
 should be called Reset to default spreadsheet format : integer number.


While I agree that that bug is a UI issue, the fix in my opinion is not to
change the text of the UI but rather to bring the application's behaviour in
line with what the UI suggests.


 There is no silver bullet. Date operations are made on integers. Not 2
 individuals will agree on what is a default format for a date depending
 on what type of use for that date they want.


No two individuals have to agree! Calc should use the format used when entering
the data. For instance, if the user entered 2010-02-11 then Calc should use
-mm-dd and if the user entered 27.10.2010 then Calc should use dd.mm..

Of course there is the problem of ambiguity when the user enters 10-12 but
that problem is currently assumed in Calc anyway, so Calcs current behaviour
(barring any open issues) should be preserved in these cases. That is, if Calc
currently recognizes 10/12 as dd/mm/yy then that behaviour should remain. But
currently, if the user enters 10-12 and pressed Enter, he sees 10/12/10 in
the cell. If he then chooses Default Formatting the cell should display
10-12, not 40463 as it currently does.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 85362] Calc: Default Formatting r uins dates

2010-02-11 Thread ggravier
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--- Additional comments from ggrav...@openoffice.org Thu Feb 11 13:37:43 
+ 2010 ---
If an American sends me a spreadsheet, he will have entered it a date in US
format... if I open it, in order for me to understand it, I want it displayed in
a European format.

If he enters MM/DD/YY, I want it displayed DD/MM/... we don't have to 
agree...

My default date format may not be the same as your default date format...

But a spreadsheet's default format for data is numbers... or else it would be a
database... not a spreadsheet. :)

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[sc-issues] [Issue 85362] Calc: Default Formatting r uins dates

2010-02-11 Thread dotancohen
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--- Additional comments from dotanco...@openoffice.org Thu Feb 11 19:12:34 
+ 2010 ---
 If he enters MM/DD/YY, I want it displayed DD/MM/... we don't have
 to agree...

Actually, we do agree. I cannot understand the least significant unit in the
middle date format. Do those users have their clocks set to HH:SS:MM as well?


 My default date format may not be the same as your default date format...
 But a spreadsheet's default format for data is numbers... or else it would
 be a database... not a spreadsheet. :)

With  this in mind, I agree that the Default Format should not necessarily be
the format that the spreadsheet was created in. Rather, the Default Format
should be the preferred format configured for the user (or, lacking that, the
format configured for the user's locale). Therefore, this bug may depend upon
bug 5556 (date format in the formula bar not matching that which is set for the
OS - unexpected behaviour) and bug 72229(add an option to configure the date
format - feature request).


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[sc-issues] [Issue 85362] Calc: Default Formatting r uins dates

2009-06-24 Thread dotancohen
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--- Additional comments from dotanco...@openoffice.org Wed Jun 24 11:19:05 
+ 2009 ---
There was an error in my last comment it should read:

It would be nice if Calc just showed the data as it was entered. If the user
enters 03102008 and Calc reformats it to 2008-10-03, then the user clicks
Default Formating, then Calc should show 03102008 and not 39874.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 85362] Calc: Default Formatting r uins dates

2009-01-17 Thread dotancohen
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--- Additional comments from dotanco...@openoffice.org Sat Jan 17 17:37:39 
+ 2009 ---
It would be nice if Calc just showed the data as it was entered. If the user
enters 03102008 and Calc reformats it to 2008-10-03, then the user clicks
Default Formating, then Calc should show 01102008 and not 39874.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 85362] Calc: Default Formatting r uins dates

2009-01-15 Thread jkonecn
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--- Additional comments from jkon...@openoffice.org Thu Jan 15 17:54:36 
+ 2009 ---
I'm trying to enter some part numbers example 11-0011 and calc changes it to a
date of 11/01/11 which is 11/01/2011.  I cannot see why.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 85362] Calc: Default Formatting r uins dates

2008-10-21 Thread corigo
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Oct 21 07:50:27 + 
2008 ---
This is confusing for sure, but is probably considered by design. When setting 
any cell to Default Formatting it will set the cell as a number and not a date. 
Default format is always a number. If would be better if Calc could recognize a 
date as a date and set the cell to default date format.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 85362] Calc: Default Formatting r uins dates

2008-09-17 Thread amy2008
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User amy2008 changed the following:

What|Old value |New value

  CC|''|'amy2008'

  Ever confirmed|  |1

  Status|UNCONFIRMED   |NEW

  OS/Version|Linux |All





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Sep 17 08:10:47 + 
2008 ---
Can reproduce it in OOo3.0_RC1 on WinXP.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 85362] Calc: Default Formatting r uins dates

2008-01-18 Thread dotancohen
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 Issue #|85362
 Summary|Calc: Default Formatting ruins dates
   Component|Spreadsheet
 Version|OOo 2.3.1
Platform|All
 URL|
  OS/Version|Linux
  Status|UNCONFIRMED
   Status whiteboard|
Keywords|
  Resolution|
  Issue type|DEFECT
Priority|P3
Subcomponent|formatting
 Assigned to|spreadsheet
 Reported by|dotancohen





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jan 18 12:53:49 + 
2008 ---
When a date is entered into a Calc cell and then Default Formatting is selected,
the date turns into an integer. For example, entering 2008-7-7 and then
selecting Default Formating causes the cell to display 39636.

I do realize that Calc stores dates as integers internally, but if that is the
case then the Default Formating for cells that are displayed as dates should be
to display the data as a date. The current behaviour is confusing and worrying
as it causes users to believe that data is corrupted.

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