[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2010-11-30 Thread cornouws
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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2010-06-30 Thread es
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--- Additional comments from e...@openoffice.org Wed Jun 30 10:06:57 + 
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*** Issue 112802 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***

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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2010-06-30 Thread mba
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What|Old value |New value

 Assigned to|fl|tl

Target milestone|OOo Later |OOo 3.x





--- Additional comments from m...@openoffice.org Wed Jun 30 10:31:28 + 
2010 ---
It seems that there is no contradiction.
The only question that remains is: should we keep the name default formatting?
IMHO we can keep it, as default never was an exact or strict definition for
what was happening. And we all seemed to agree that the old behavior was just
wrong, the new one would be what is *expected* as a default behavior.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2010-05-22 Thread huw
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--- Additional comments from h...@openoffice.org Sat May 22 06:52:59 + 
2010 ---
Hyperlinks are a style (albeit non-obvious)  should NOT be removed by applying
default formatting - that should ONLY remove direct (hard) formatting. Styles
can easily be removed by applying default character style. At the moment, due to
this bug, there is NO way of removing direct formatting without also losing 
styles.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2010-05-22 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from m...@openoffice.org Sat May 22 11:50:42 + 
2010 ---
@fl: 
In case we don't receive a serious complaint ;-) from your side, I opt for
following the suggestion in this issue and keep styles and hyperlink formatting
when format default is used in Writer.

I also would like to change the target at least to 3.x.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2010-05-21 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from m...@openoffice.org Fri May 21 06:50:14 + 
2010 ---
We already have remove hyperlinnk since 3.2 (IIRC).
That's a good point, thank you for mentioning it.

@fl: shall we keep hyperlink formatting in Default Formatting or not? It's
worth a consideration, though perhaps people might be used to get rid of
hyperlink formatting by calling Default Formatting.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2010-05-21 Thread alvarezp2000
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--- Additional comments from alvarezp2...@openoffice.org Fri May 21 
07:13:50 + 2010 ---
@mba: Maybe I didn't explain correctly.

See discussion at http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/ooo-build/2010-
February/000540.html

Hyperlinks are not formatting. In essence they alter functionality and not 
printing. Sure, it sets the text to the Hyperlink style, but that is just a 
consequence of being a hyperlink.

As such, in the patch, Default Formatting will NOT clear Hyperlinks anymore. 
It should NOT. Besides, there is a Remove hyperlink already for that, except 
that the shell is buggy: it doesn't show the option if you have text selected.

So, how can you remove all hyperlinks from the document or an arbitrary text 
block otherwise? Shouldn't you simply do select, right-click, remove 
hyperlink? That's what the other patch allows.

What I'm trying to say is that even if Default formatting wouldn't change, 
Remove hyperlinks should work this other way. We are fixing two different 
bugs.

Now, if they are two different bugs, why is one a prerequisite of the other? 
Because without fixing the remove hyperlink mess, we would leave the user 
without a way to actually remove hyperlinks from a text block.


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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2010-05-21 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from m...@openoffice.org Fri May 21 11:40:43 + 
2010 ---
Sorry, *now* I'm confused. Before that I thought we are on the same side:

Default formatting nowadays does not reset the language attribute - that's 
good.
Because of this recent change we now need a new functionality reset language
attribute. This is what this issue is about.

Default formatting nowadays clears the hyperlink attribute - you consider this
to be wrong and I tend to agree (though I'm asking fl for his opinion). And here
we already have the necessary extra functionality that would be needed in case
we don't clear hyperlink formatting when the user selects default 
formatting.
Of course this would be another issue, but as you brought it up, I didn't see a
reason not to answer it.


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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2010-05-21 Thread alvarezp2000
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--- Additional comments from alvarezp2...@openoffice.org Fri May 21 
15:30:51 + 2010 ---
 Before that I thought we are on the same side:

We are. I just exepected a push to fix instead of a simple consideration'.

 Default formatting nowadays clears the hyperlink attribute - you consider 
this to be wrong and I tend to agree (though I'm asking fl for his opinion).

fl doesn't see this issue as a bug. That's why I don't agree on fl 
considering 
it. With a consideration I foresee 5 more years with the bug open.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2010-05-21 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from m...@openoffice.org Fri May 21 19:06:15 + 
2010 ---
I assume that you are talking about the hyperlink (that should be another issue
as this one is about keeping character styles when using format-default and
AFAIK fl is not against that).

Well, in a good team (and I hope that we have a good one) it's usual to pay
attention to the experts. fl is one of our UX experts and so I value his
input. And waiting for another 5 years is nothing that should happen: either
it's a let's do it or a won't fix.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2010-05-20 Thread alvarezp2000
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--- Additional comments from alvarezp2...@openoffice.org Fri May 21 
00:47:54 + 2010 ---
This has been fixed in Go-oo. See the following patch:

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/ooo-build/ooo-build/commit/?
id=197809decd870fc7ec50ffa97bca4f3a0c3ea818

Furthermore, because, it will also NOT remove hyperlinks anymore, we must show 
'Remove Hyperlink' even with selection. See the following prerequisite patch:

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/ooo-build/ooo-build/commit/?
id=e01a6b323311c0896813a0973721d22c551a595e

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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2010-05-19 Thread mba
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What|Old value |New value

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--- Additional comments from m...@openoffice.org Wed May 19 10:40:26 + 
2010 ---
Finding a solution that pleases all OOo users as much as possible IMHO requires
to separate them into users that work with styles and those who don't (that -
I'm afraid - most probably are the majority).

A user that doesn't use styles will be confused by a command remove hard
attributes or something similar. OTOH a user working with styles will learn
easily how to remove applied styles.

So I suggest that we change Default formatting so that it does not remove
applied styles, as requested. But then we should think about a new name for this
function.


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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2010-04-22 Thread gnustavo
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  CC|'peschtra'|'gnustavo,peschtra'





--- Additional comments from gnust...@openoffice.org Thu Apr 22 14:36:52 
+ 2010 ---
This issue is generating a big discussion in the usuar...@br-pt.openoffice.org
list
(http://br-pt.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?list=usuariosby=threadfrom=2363095).


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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2010-03-03 Thread pinchorrero
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--- Additional comments from pinchorr...@openoffice.org Wed Mar  3 23:19:37 
+ 2010 ---
Is there any other way to remove hardly applied 
formatting but keeping the character styles?

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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2010-02-22 Thread alvarezp2000
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--- Additional comments from alvarezp2...@openoffice.org Mon Feb 22 
22:19:43 + 2010 ---
I would like to ask what is it needed to get this bug fixed.

Is it just the patch? Is it discussion? Is it clarification on the Styles 
specification? Is it more users supporting fix of this bug (a. k. a. votes)?

Thank you.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2010-02-22 Thread alvarezp2000
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--- Additional comments from alvarezp2...@openoffice.org Mon Feb 22 
22:34:00 + 2010 ---
The help system says To reset all direct formatting of existing text, select 
that text, then choose the menu command Format - Default Formatting.

It does NOT actually do this. Instead of resetting all *direct* formatting it 
also removes applied character styles.


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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2009-08-21 Thread mru
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--- Additional comments from m...@openoffice.org Fri Aug 21 09:38:47 + 
2009 ---
*** Issue 104391 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***

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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2009-01-29 Thread kohtala
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--- Additional comments from koht...@openoffice.org Thu Jan 29 09:10:22 
+ 2009 ---
Seems to me we have two needs: 1) remove character styles, 2) remove local
formatting (to make document formatting only styles based).

Now it seems to me people who want to do 1+2 think it is too much to perform two
steps, so people that only want to do 2 do not have a command for it, but have
to perform manually hundreds or thousands steps to revert 1.

This is rather severe usability problem.

Please, raise priority of this issue to revert issue 85464 to fix this one.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2009-01-29 Thread jes
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--- Additional comments from j...@openoffice.org Thu Jan 29 22:18:16 + 
2009 ---
Another very surprising and harmful consequence of Format  Default removing
applied character styles is that hyperlinks are destroyed because they are based
on character styles.

The dependence of hyperlinks on styles is not apparent to the user, who never
applied any style to create the link, and may not understand or use styles at
all, so it is easy to apply Format  Default to reset text formatting and as a
consequence also lose all the link addresses without realizing it.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2008-06-27 Thread alvarezp2000
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Jun 28 00:30:53 + 
2008 ---
Any updates on this issue? Some users have already remarked the importance of 
the issue when handling long documents.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2008-03-26 Thread mru
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Mar 26 10:57:17 + 
2008 ---
*** Issue 87420 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***

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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2008-03-13 Thread huw
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Mar 13 09:51:13 + 
2008 ---
On the first page of Writer Help (Application Help) is a link to Instructions 
for Using StarOffice Writer. On that page, under the heading Using Styles, 
Numbering Pages, Using Fields is a link Undoing Direct Formatting for a 
Document. That leads to a page which says this:
http://documentation.openoffice.org/online_help/htmlhelp/text/shared/guide/undo_
formatting.html

Quotes:

You can undo all formatting that has not been made by styles in a few steps.

If you format a document without Styles, it is referred to as direct 
formatting.

You can remove direct formatting from your document by selecting the entire 
text with the shortcut keys Command Ctrl+A and then choosing Format - Default 
Formatting.

Converting someone else's ODT or DOC to pure styles should be that simple.

However tangled the specifications have got themselves, the actual intended 
behaviour is quite clear.

Please reconsider target - considering Writer's developing reputation as a 
styles based word processor, having to manually re-apply potentially hundreds, 
or even thousands of character stylings, is a severe limitation.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2008-02-04 Thread alvarezp2000
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Feb  4 09:31:31 + 
2008 ---
I have just left a comment on the issue 85464 about reading comments on this 
one and the flaws in the spec document.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2008-01-28 Thread huw
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jan 28 16:18:21 + 
2008 ---
See also issue 85464. Unless I'm mistaken these two issues are saying the 
opposite of each other.

Surely Default should ONLY clear direct formatting (i.e. retain character 
styles), otherwise how can it be done?

Character styles are easily removed by applying default character style - we 
don't need Default to do that too. That would be at the expense of losing the 
ability to remove only direct formatting (which is VITAL for cleaning and 
converting a 'second-hand' document to pure styles).

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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2008-01-11 Thread jes
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jan 11 22:20:24 + 
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In the process of testing the current snapshot (SRC680_m242), I noticed that
Writer now has the behavior requested here: Selecting a paragraph and using
Format  Default Formatting removes direct formatting, but does not remove
applied character styles.

Is this change intentional?

I'm afraid it's not clear to me from the spec document (linked above) what is
intended for OOo 3, in part because the spec often refers to hard formatting
without clearly distinguishing whether hard formatting includes applied
character styles or only direct character formatting.

Is there another issue tracking this change? I've had no success identifying a
recently-integrated CWS for this change either.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2007-07-07 Thread alvarezp2000
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Jul  7 20:00:35 + 
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Any updates on this issue?

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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2006-11-02 Thread nemoresus
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Nov  2 02:01:25 -0800 
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Yes, please reconsider this.
When working on a long document where consistency is important (and I guess many
OOo users have this need, even if they do not know it), this is a pretty
annoying behaviour.
IMHO, character styles are an important part of a document and should not be
dissmissed by default.
In 2.0.4, the clear formatting thingy removes everything, styles and hardcoded
formatting, while the format-default only keeps paragraph styles, user have
still no way to remove only hardcoded formatting :/

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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2005-05-20 Thread alvarezp2000
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri May 20 19:06:55 -0700 
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Will there eventually be a menu entry or button to clear hardly applied 
formatting **ONLY**?

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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2005-04-28 Thread fl
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User fl changed the following:

  What|Old value |New value

  Target milestone|---   |OOo Later





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Apr 28 02:47:07 -0700 
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FL: The Format - Default formatting functionality has not been touched for OOo
2.0. Furthermore the paragraph style list box in the Text Object Bar contains a
new entry Clear Formatting, which behaves different. Please find details in
the following spec.:
http://specs.openoffice.org/writer/formatting/Assigning_Styles_in_Writer.sxw

Currently there are no plans to change this behavior. Therefore I set the target
to OOo later just that the community has the possibility to vote for this issue.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2005-04-28 Thread alvarezp2000
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Apr 28 09:12:44 -0700 
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The mentioned document clearly states this as a bug, as it refers to hard 
character formatting.

According to the document, I should be able to select all the document and ask 
for Format - Default formatting and have my document completely reset to 
applied styles, being paragraph, character or whatever else. The new 
functionality will NOT allow me to do it because it would set all my paragraphs 
to Default paragraph style (see tables around line 130).

Therefore it has all my votes and I ask the community to vote for this issue. I 
ask the developers also to reconsider and understand that this issue is located 
at the heart of the character stylist functionality.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2005-04-22 Thread mru
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  What|Old value |New value

   Assigned to|mru   |fl

Ever confirmed|  |1

Status|UNCONFIRMED   |NEW





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Apr 22 05:00:16 -0700 
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MRU-FL: for decision to you now. Currently, Format.Default turns everything
back to the default of the paragraph style. It is quite a 50-50 thing, if it's
better to leave the text formatted with character styles as is or (like now) to
remove the character styles.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2005-04-22 Thread alvarezp2000
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Apr 22 09:27:53 -0700 
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If FL changes it (which I hope), a user could still reset character styles by 
applying the Default character style before asking for Format - Default 
Formatting. while still having the text selected, so there would be no 
functionality loss. That's what the program does, anyway.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 47893] Format -- Default resets applied character style.

2005-04-22 Thread peschtra
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  What|Old value |New value

  Keywords|  |oooqa

OS/Version|Windows 2000  |All

  Platform|PC|All





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Apr 22 20:57:59 -0700 
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I'm trying to remember/decipher. The behavior of 1.9.95 is not the same as the
behavior in 1.1.4.

1.1.4 behaves as alvarezp2000 would expect, doesn't it? So, is this a
regression, or a planned change?

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