[sw-issues] [Issue 69451] Inconsistency with spell c hecking option check in all languages betwee n Writer and Calc

2009-03-26 Thread rtoth
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--- Additional comments from rt...@openoffice.org Thu Mar 26 11:45:24 + 
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I'd like to ask if there has been any progress on this issue?

i'd like to stress, that the current situation is mostly unworkable, especially
for people who have to use several languages in one document.
I am currently writing my diploma thesis and the missing check all languages
option is really retarding. In some sentences these new settings means to me,
that I have to change the language settings three or four times, what is really
frustrating sometimes. 

I hope that somebody can provide a solution to this problem, which affects a lot
of users, soon. 


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[sw-issues] [Issue 69451] Inconsistency with spell c hecking option check in all languages betwee n Writer and Calc

2009-02-19 Thread tl
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--- Additional comments from t...@openoffice.org Thu Feb 19 09:08:22 + 
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tl-easyw: No, no default off-switching of options. Especailly since spell
checking and grammar checking are still two processes that do not know about the
other and just having a grammar checker for a single language would already
require the spell-in-all-languages to be disabled.

I think the best solution for this is now to write a Java based
Spell-In-All-Languages spell checker extension. By doing this the user can
disbale or enable that extension in the extension manager. 
And more in the Writing Aids it would be possible to disable that spell
checker as well. There it could even be done on a per language base. That is one
could state 'check-in-all-languages' but don't use that checker for e.g. French.

And the great plus would be that no additional UI would be requited everything
is already there! It just gets activated/deactivated in a different way then 
before.

Also the implementation should be fairly simply since one just needs to
implement a loop that iterates of all languages and to call the respective spell
checklers for those.

The problem however is that I currently have no time and am not yet familiar
with Java. :-( 
For someone with the appropriate skills (Java and creating extensions) it should
be doable in about a day...


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[sw-issues] [Issue 69451] Inconsistency with spell c hecking option check in all languages betwee n Writer and Calc

2009-02-18 Thread easyw
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--- Additional comments from ea...@openoffice.org Wed Feb 18 14:25:05 + 
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Many people need to write documents with words in more than a language, so
without the option to check in all languages it would need to check the
documents many times.
With check in all languages on, it is possible to check the all document in
just one first look... looking for underlined words...

In this point of view grammar checker is less useful than the spell checker ...

That would be very useful to have the option to choose, may be in the tool-bar
of Ooo...
May be it could be possible to automatically disable check in all languages if
the grammar checking is enabled.
Thanx for thinking about a possible workarounds :)

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[sw-issues] [Issue 69451] Inconsistency with spell c hecking option check in all languages betwee n Writer and Calc

2009-02-10 Thread el_schwalmo
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--- Additional comments from el_schwa...@openoffice.org Tue Feb 10 11:57:05 
+ 2009 ---
Most texts I write are in german, citing english sources. Most of the sources 
are OCR-products from scans. Spell check is much more important for me than 
grammar check.

Why don't you let the user choose? Enabling either grammar or multi-language 
spell-check?

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[sw-issues] [Issue 69451] Inconsistency with spell c hecking option check in all languages betwee n Writer and Calc

2009-02-10 Thread tl
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--- Additional comments from t...@openoffice.org Wed Feb 11 04:35:54 + 
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tl-el_schwalmo: I see your point. And please believe me that I don't want to
teach you. But let me ask you in return isn't it somewhat unreliable to spell
check a mixed German English document that way?

For example if just by error you have the German text like 
  Das tier war entlaufen.
and use it in your document then you will never find the spelling error for
'tier' which should have been uppercase because 'tier' is a correct English
term. And I believe other such examples can be found the other way around as 
well.
If on the other hand the text was set to German and 'check in all languages'
disabled then the spell checker should be able to find the problem.
Because of the above I think if you want the best result from spell checking one
should always attribute the text with its correct language.

Still I understand that 'check in all languages' might have been an attractive
option. Let me think a bit about possible workarounds... 

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[sw-issues] [Issue 69451] Inconsistency with spell c hecking option check in all languages betwee n Writer and Calc

2009-01-29 Thread tl
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--- Additional comments from t...@openoffice.org Thu Jan 29 09:03:09 + 
2009 ---
tl-hagar_de_lest: 

a) For once it was long since a odd functionality that nobody remembered anymore
why it was introduced. Someone once made a plausible guess but since the
reasoning did not apply anymore at that time already I don't remember it 
anymore.

b) Much more crucial however is that spelling in all languages is actually a
very bad idea with grammar checking. A good grammar checker needs to rely on the
analysis of the sentence thus e.g. it needs to identify verbs, nouns, object,
subject etc.
And if the spelling errors are not fixed first the grammar checker can not
properly do those tasks (the severity of this might differ from language to
language though). That's also the reasoning why the dialog always displays the
spelling errors first and only after those the grammar errors.
If you would now have a French word in an English sentence the grammar checker
can not make sense of it, and if by spelling in all languages enabled that
French word is not marked as incorrect by the English spell checker because it
is known by the French spell checker then it may happen that some grammar error
may slip through unnoticed because the grammar checker can not find it with that
misspelled word. And that would contradict the whole idea/effort put into
grammar checking.


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[sw-issues] [Issue 69451] Inconsistency with spell c hecking option check in all languages betwee n Writer and Calc

2009-01-29 Thread hagar_de_lest
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--- Additional comments from hagar_de_l...@openoffice.org Thu Jan 29 
19:54:23 + 2009 ---
Thanks!
That makes sense, indeed.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 69451] Inconsistency with spell c hecking option check in all languages betwee n Writer and Calc

2009-01-28 Thread hagar_de_lest
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--- Additional comments from hagar_de_l...@openoffice.org Wed Jan 28 
20:04:34 + 2009 ---
Is there a rationale why the Check in all languages has been removed?

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[sw-issues] [Issue 69451] Inconsistency with spell c hecking option check in all languages betwee n Writer and Calc

2009-01-28 Thread hagar_de_lest
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What|Old value |New value

  CC|'sba,tl'  |'hagar_de_lest,sba,tl'





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[sw-issues] [Issue 69451] Inconsistency with spell c hecking option check in all languages betwee n Writer and Calc

2009-01-19 Thread tl
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User tl changed the following:

What|Old value |New value

  Status|STARTED   |RESOLVED

  Resolution|  |WONTFIX





--- Additional comments from t...@openoffice.org Mon Jan 19 14:56:46 + 
2009 ---
This issue is solved by having removed that option in OOo 3.0.1.
See spec for grammar checking.


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[sw-issues] [Issue 69451] Inconsistency with spell c hecking option check in all languages betwee n Writer and Calc

2009-01-19 Thread tl
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User tl changed the following:

What|Old value |New value

  Status|RESOLVED  |CLOSED





--- Additional comments from t...@openoffice.org Mon Jan 19 14:57:17 + 
2009 ---
Closing.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 69451] Inconsistency with spell c hecking option check in all languages betwee n Writer and Calc

2008-04-21 Thread mba
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User mba changed the following:

What|Old value |New value

Target milestone|OOo 3.0   |OOo 3.1





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Apr 21 13:51:52 + 
2008 ---
target 3.1

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[sw-issues] [Issue 69451] Inconsistency with spell c hecking option check in all languages betwee n Writer and Calc

2008-04-07 Thread fl
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Apr  7 13:05:00 + 
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Calc/Draw/Impress do not offer the language control in the statusbar today. So I
propose to fix the behavior in Writer and allign it to the behavior present in
Draw/Impress/Calc today.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 69451] Inconsistency with spell c hecking option check in all languages betwee n Writer and Calc

2008-03-12 Thread sba
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User sba changed the following:

What|Old value |New value

  CC|''|'sba,tl'

 Summary|Inconsistency with spell c|Inconsistency with spell c
|hecking in all language   |hecking option check in a
|  |ll languages between Writ
|  |er and Calc





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Mar 12 14:05:32 + 
2008 ---
SBA-TL: As discussed: Before making a decision here, I would like to get
further User Experience input about this. As far as I understand the Chacke in
all languages box, it was (roughly spoken) for the Users who do not set
language attributes correctly, but want a hint is this correct in SOME 
language?

After the implementation of the language statusbar control (in OOo 2.4), Setting
the language became much, much easier. 

So my questions are:
 - Do we need the Check in all languages option any longer?
 - What is it used for in real life?
 - Does the langstatusbar feature affect these users?

I put myself and FL on cc.

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