Re: [AMRadio] 450T amp

2007-06-13 Thread WE0H

That would be a cool amp to use on 600 meters.

Mike
WE0H
WD2XSH/16

Mark Foltarz wrote:

Any of the old ARRL of West Coast Radio books  has schematics for triode amps.

Here is a little something using a similar tube that was popular in the surplus
scene many years ago : http://www.lakeerieba.com/6C21/KW_Amp.htm

Although intended for slop applications, the above amp can be used to perk up
your DX100 by  probably  5-6db   and function as a room heater.

de KA4JVY

Mark

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RE: [AMRadio] 450T amp

2007-06-13 Thread John Coleman
Am I missing something or is this a typo.  
Maybe the FCC has opened up a band down at 500KCs that I am not aware of.

There is a lot I am not aware of these days!!
John, WA5BXO

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That would be a cool amp to use on 600 meters.

Mike
WE0H
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Re: [AMRadio] 450T amp

2007-06-13 Thread Geoff/W5OMR

John Coleman wrote:
Am I missing something or is this a typo.  
Maybe the FCC has opened up a band down at 500KCs that I am not aware of.


There is a lot I am not aware of these days!!
John, WA5BXO

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That would be a cool amp to use on 600 meters.

Mike
WE0H
WD2XSH/16


This, John, is just from a quick and preliminary search on 600khz... and 
the info is kinda dated, but...


*Date Posted:* /Thu 23 Jun 2005; 9:22am/
*Author:* news
*Subject:* New USA 600m/500kHz ham band

permits close to being issued...

ARRL Applies for 500kHz Experimental License
Group of 23 sites seek to operate in 495-510kHz range.

The American Radio Relay League announced that it filed an application 
for a two-year experimental license under Part 5 of the FCC Rules and 
Regulations, to permit experimentation and research between 495 and 510 
kHz. Up to 100 watts peak transmitter power (20 watts peak ERP) would 
be used. Requested antenna heights range mostly from 12-18 meters; but a 
few are in the 22-33 meter range, and the Oregon site requests 43 
meters. All are specified as non-directional. Modes listed in the 
application are 50 baud CW and PSK31.


Dr. Frederick (Fritz) Raab, W1FR, will manage the project. Participating 
sites are located in Arkansas, California, Colorado, Illinois, 
Louisiana, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, New Hampshire, New 
Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Rhode Island, Tennessee, 
Texas, Vermont and Virginia.


This looks interesting...  I'm searching for more data, and will send 
you in a private email.


This bit should contain enough information so that others out there that 
have not heard about it can go in search of more info.


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Re: [AMRadio] 450T amp

2007-06-13 Thread James M. Walker

No typo,
try this http://www.500KC.com

Jim
WB2FCN/WD2XSH-22


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Am I missing something or is this a typo.
Maybe the FCC has opened up a band down at 500KCs that I am not aware of.

There is a lot I am not aware of these days!!
John, WA5BXO

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That would be a cool amp to use on 600 meters.

Mike
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[AMRadio] 500 Kc (was Re: 450T amp)

2007-06-13 Thread ne1s
My friend Bob Raide, W2ZM (aka cueball!), has one of the experimental 
licenses, and a station running up there. He had an article describing his 
transmitter in the most recent (April) AWA Journal. 

Also Conard (not misspelled!) WS4S, is another. 


-Larry/NE1S
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Re: [AMRadio] 500 Kc (was Re: 450T amp)

2007-06-13 Thread Todd, KA1KAQ

Tom W2ILA (in R.I.) and Warren, K2ORS (in MA.) are also part of the
project as I recall.

On 6/13/07, ne1s [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

My friend Bob Raide, W2ZM (aka cueball!), has one of the experimental
licenses, and a station running up there. He had an article describing his
transmitter in the most recent (April) AWA Journal.

Also Conard (not misspelled!) WS4S, is another.

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Re: [AMRadio] 500 Kc (was Re: 450T amp)

2007-06-13 Thread Radio Station KW1I

Larry,

I think Bob is on a new experimental application for another 600m segment. 
He is not one of the stations in the 505-510 kHz experimental operation.


Dale
KW1I
WD2XSH/5


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Subject: [AMRadio] 500 Kc (was Re: 450T amp)


My friend Bob Raide, W2ZM (aka cueball!), has one of the experimental 
licenses, and a station running up there. He had an article describing his 
transmitter in the most recent (April) AWA Journal.

Also Conard (not misspelled!) WS4S, is another.
-Larry/NE1S
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Re: [AMRadio] 450T amp

2007-06-13 Thread WE0H

eek, look what I started Jim...hi hi Sorry guys.

Maybe we should tell them about the Part 5 license's, might get a few 
new operators down there. Imagine a kilowatt of AM on 1750 meters? hi hi...


Mike
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James M. Walker wrote:

No typo,
try this http://www.500KC.com

Jim
WB2FCN/WD2XSH-22

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RE: [AMRadio] 450T amp

2007-06-13 Thread Rick Brashear
Imagine the tank circuit and how about the antenna!
Rick


eek, look what I started Jim...hi hi Sorry guys.

Maybe we should tell them about the Part 5 license's, might get a few 
new operators down there. Imagine a kilowatt of AM on 1750 meters? hi hi...

Mike
/16

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Re: [AMRadio] 505kc (was 450T amp)

2007-06-13 Thread WE0H
Our group has been operating on 600 meters since last fall with zero 
interference issues. We are hoping to get that spectrum assigned as an 
Amateur Band one day. 2200 meters 135.7-137.8kc is another Part 5 band 
being used the past few years with the same intentions. 1750 160-190kc 
is also being used by Part 5 stations with the same intentions although 
there are fewer licensed stations on that band. The Part 15 Lowfer's 
primarily operate on 1750 meters.


I was thinking of a 450T or 450TL amp on 1750 would be lots of fun in CW 
too. Haven't heard any AM down there but the band certainly is wide 
enough for many stations at once...hi hi...


Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI on 1750  2200 meters
WD2XSH/16 on 600 meters


John Coleman wrote:
Am I missing something or is this a typo.  
Maybe the FCC has opened up a band down at 500KCs that I am not aware of.


There is a lot I am not aware of these days!!
John, WA5BXO

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Re: [AMRadio] 450T amp

2007-06-13 Thread Geoff/W5OMR

Rick Brashear wrote:

Imagine the tank circuit and how about the antenna!


Good grief.  936ft for a half-wave.  and 1/4 wave up to get it off ground?

that's a lot of Rohn 45G (I guess 45G would support 400+ feet).

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Re: [AMRadio] 505kc (was 450T amp)

2007-06-13 Thread WE0H
hi hi...Pat W5THT is running tubes on the 600 meter band. I recall him 
saying something about his tank coil won't fit inside the amp 
chassis...hi hi...
But the antennas are not too Wahoo on that band. Most are running 50' 
verticals with big hats. Some are running 200-400+' transmitting loops. 
There are a couple 95' or so foot verticals on the band and those guys 
have the real big signals.
Anything over 50' tall works on all 3 low bands. Just as the wife might 
say, 'the bigger the better'...hi hi... Nothing too crazy down there. 
Just got to watch A/C resistance on connections so you don't start fires 
or melt connectors...hi hi...


Mike
WE0H

Rick Brashear wrote:

Imagine the tank circuit and how about the antenna!
Rick


eek, look what I started Jim...hi hi Sorry guys.

Maybe we should tell them about the Part 5 license's, might get a few 
new operators down there. Imagine a kilowatt of AM on 1750 meters? hi hi...


Mike
/16

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RE: [AMRadio] 505kc (was 450T amp)

2007-06-13 Thread John Coleman
Cool deal but only 100 watts? And low antennas.  What's with that?  I guess
just to experiment with but if they open it up to all, then 100 watts is
hardly worth the trouble for big glass and iron.

John
WA5BXO


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Re: [AMRadio] 505kc (was 450T amp)

2007-06-13 Thread Geoff/W5OMR

WE0H wrote:
hi hi...Pat W5THT is running tubes on the 600 meter band. I recall him 
saying something about his tank coil won't fit inside the amp 
chassis...hi hi...
But the antennas are not too Wahoo on that band. Most are running 50' 
verticals with big hats. Some are running 200-400+' transmitting 
loops. There are a couple 95' or so foot verticals on the band and 
those guys have the real big signals.
Anything over 50' tall works on all 3 low bands. Just as the wife 
might say, 'the bigger the better'...hi hi... Nothing too crazy down 
there. Just got to watch A/C resistance on connections so you don't 
start fires or melt connectors...hi hi...


Mike
WE0H

Rick Brashear wrote:

Imagine the tank circuit and how about the antenna!
Rick


eek, look what I started Jim...hi hi Sorry guys.

Maybe we should tell them about the Part 5 license's, might get a few 
new operators down there. Imagine a kilowatt of AM on 1750 meters? hi 
hi...


Well... I don't think you'd need everything that the 450TL could dish 
out, but if someone is interested in using the amp, we can certainly 
discuss options :-)


Contact me off-list.

Oh, and to clarify... the tube was run at half-filament voltage for 
about 15 mins.. B+ was applied, slowly with a variac, just to see if it 
would develop grid and plate current.  it does, and isn't gassy.


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Re: [AMRadio] 505kc (was 450T amp)

2007-06-13 Thread WE0H
Our power limit so far on 600 meters is 20w ERP which can take a 
kilowatt to get as antenna efficiency is ha ha down there. But the 
little antennas do radiate and the signals go far with easy. Still 
plenty of room for big tube's. In the winter it only takes 25-35w output 
power to cover the whole lower 48 states with regular CW. Way further 
using QRSS of course. Rudy N7LF was seen in the South Pacific  Alaska. 
Summertime takes more power. EU CW may be possible this coming winter 
with the guys running larger tube amps as they get experience with the 
equipment and antennas. A 250TH was on my mind lately...


Mike
WE0H

John Coleman wrote:

Cool deal but only 100 watts? And low antennas.  What's with that?  I guess
just to experiment with but if they open it up to all, then 100 watts is
hardly worth the trouble for big glass and iron.

John
WA5BXO

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[AMRadio] Re: 500 Kc (was Re: 450T amp)

2007-06-13 Thread ne1s
FB Dale, you're obviously more knowledgable about this than I am. I didn't 
realize there were different experimental applications for different 
frequencies in the vicinity that I was generically referring to as 500 Kc. 

I had also forgottten you were playing about down there! 

73, 

-'1S 


Radio Station KW1I writes:
Larry, 

I think Bob is on a new experimental application for another 600m segment. 
He is not one of the stations in the 505-510 kHz experimental operation. 


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Re: [AMRadio] 500 Kc (was Re: 450T amp)

2007-06-13 Thread Bry Carling
Why the heck don't they give hams 455 kHz as a CW 
channel since no one is using it any more? Or even as an AM 
CHANNEL?!!! Now THERE is a cool idea! You could easily detune 
the old tube AM broadcast band receivers to use them on that 
frequency!  Pad those caps down from 530 kc. to 455 kc.

An idea whose time has COME!

 My friend Bob Raide, W2ZM (aka cueball!), has one of the experimental 
 licenses, and a station running up there. He had an article describing his 
 transmitter in the most recent (April) AWA Journal. 
 
 Also Conard (not misspelled!) WS4S, is another. 
 
  -Larry/NE1S
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Re: [AMRadio] 505kc (was 450T amp)

2007-06-13 Thread Jim Wilhite
If I recall correctly the FCC is going to have a bunch of 
spectrum available down in the lower part when the NDB 
stations are mandated to cease operation, what 200-500 KCy. 
All those airport approaches are supposed to switch to GPS 
approaches in the near future, 2012 sticks in my mind as the 
terminal year for NDB operation, but it may be a bit sooner.


In the meantime there is quite an active SWL group who 
monitor the NDB stations.  They have a website for logging 
the reception of the stations and anyone can view the 
reception reports and log theirs.


http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/rna/index.php?poll=show

In years past I maintained a couple of NDBs in the 200 range 
and they used short vertical antennas not over 25 ft. tall 
without radials.  You should have seen the loading coils on 
those.  Some stations had horizontal center fed antennas 
that were about the same height and under right conditions 
they could be heard many miles.  The long range NDB covered 
out to about 300 miles reliably.


I wonder if anyone is pressing for some of that spectrum or 
are they going to save it for something stupid like BPL?


Jim/W5JO





Our power limit so far on 600 meters is 20w ERP which can 
take a kilowatt to get as antenna efficiency is ha ha down 
there. But the little antennas do radiate and the signals 
go far with easy. Still plenty of room for big tube's. In 
the winter it only takes 25-35w output power to cover the 
whole lower 48 states with regular CW. Way further using 
QRSS of course. Rudy N7LF was seen in the South Pacific  
Alaska. Summertime takes more power. EU CW may be possible 
this coming winter with the guys running larger tube amps 
as they get experience with the equipment and antennas. A 
250TH was on my mind lately...


Mike
WE0H

John Coleman wrote:
Cool deal but only 100 watts? And low antennas.  What's 
with that?  I guess
just to experiment with but if they open it up to all, 
then 100 watts is

hardly worth the trouble for big glass and iron.

John
WA5BXO



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Re: [AMRadio] 500 Kc (was Re: 450T amp)

2007-06-13 Thread WE0H
A good way to get the ball rolling would be to apply for a Part 5 
license for that freq or others or even a band. www.fcc.gov/oet is the 
place to go. The form is a 442 and it costs 55 bucks for a application 
the last I heard. Yes AM would sound cool down there. Don't be shy in 
asking for mad power output either. Best to ask for a ERP level rather 
than amp power output.


Mike
WE0H

Bry Carling wrote:
Why the heck don't they give hams 455 kHz as a CW 
channel since no one is using it any more? Or even as an AM 
CHANNEL?!!! Now THERE is a cool idea! You could easily detune 
the old tube AM broadcast band receivers to use them on that 
frequency!  Pad those caps down from 530 kc. to 455 kc.


An idea whose time has COME!

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RE: [AMRadio] 500 Kc (was Re: 450T amp)

2007-06-13 Thread Rick Brashear
That would be way cool!  You sure wouldn't have to go far for a receiver.
When I was in high school we used to play on the AM broadcast band with
small  transmitters we'd cobble up from AC/DC projects.  Not much range, but
lots of fun!

Rick



On Behalf Of Bry Carling

Why the heck don't they give hams 455 kHz as a CW 
channel since no one is using it any more? Or even as an AM 
CHANNEL?!!! Now THERE is a cool idea! You could easily detune 
the old tube AM broadcast band receivers to use them on that 
frequency!  Pad those caps down from 530 kc. to 455 kc.

An idea whose time has COME!

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[AMRadio] WTB DX-100 items

2007-06-13 Thread cemilton

GA to the list.

I'm restoring my DX-100 in an effort to get back on AM in the very near 
future.  I'm looking for 2 or 3 of the Grey knobs for it.  Not the 
large ones, just the ones likes used on the vol control and the 
CW-Phone switch.


I'd like to locate an original loading cap for the DX-100.  It's the 
variable rated at 250uuf (pf).


Finally, I'm interested in buying a DX-100B.  Doesn't have to be 
perfect and doesn't need to have a cabinet.  Working and complete 
without having been chopped is ideal.  And, if there is a DX-100 parts 
rig or a non-working, but complete one for sale please let me know 
condition and price.


Anxious to get back on AM after a long absence.

73
W4MIL
Chuck
Palm Coast, FL

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RE: [AMRadio] WTB DX-100 items

2007-06-13 Thread Bob Peters
Hi Chuck and all...Glen K9STH makes these knobs better then what Heath
did. Much stronger.
Contact him at his QRZ adr. He is on the list as well. Good luck I am
also restoring a DX100..
Just found a front panel and got a complete set of knobs from Glen.
Having the cabinet powder coated...
Taking out the speech amp and using external audio amp..Love my DX-100B
and now a 100..

Bob W1PE

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GA to the list.

I'm restoring my DX-100 in an effort to get back on AM in the very near 
future.  I'm looking for 2 or 3 of the Grey knobs for it.  Not the 
large ones, just the ones likes used on the vol control and the 
CW-Phone switch.

I'd like to locate an original loading cap for the DX-100.  It's the 
variable rated at 250uuf (pf).

Finally, I'm interested in buying a DX-100B.  Doesn't have to be 
perfect and doesn't need to have a cabinet.  Working and complete 
without having been chopped is ideal.  And, if there is a DX-100 parts 
rig or a non-working, but complete one for sale please let me know 
condition and price.

Anxious to get back on AM after a long absence.

73
W4MIL
Chuck
Palm Coast, FL

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Re: [AMRadio] 500 Kc (was Re: 450T amp)

2007-06-13 Thread crawfish
You would interfere with all the AM radios in the neighborhood by getting
into their IF's :-). One must NEVER interfere with Swap and Shop on AM
stations under chance of being killed by irate housewives!!
 Joe
W4AAB(with a crystal for 454)
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 Why the heck don't they give hams 455 kHz as a CW
 channel since no one is using it any more? Or even as an AM
 CHANNEL?!!! Now THERE is a cool idea! You could easily detune
 the old tube AM broadcast band receivers to use them on that
 frequency!  Pad those caps down from 530 kc. to 455 kc.

 An idea whose time has COME!

  My friend Bob Raide, W2ZM (aka cueball!), has one of the experimental
  licenses, and a station running up there. He had an article describing
his
  transmitter in the most recent (April) AWA Journal.
 
  Also Conard (not misspelled!) WS4S, is another.
 
   -Larry/NE1S
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Re: [AMRadio] 500 Kc (was Re: 450T amp)

2007-06-13 Thread ronnie.hull
Boy that would take a heck-uva antenna!!

W5SUM

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:58:30 -0400, Todd, KA1KAQ wrote
 Tom W2ILA (in R.I.) and Warren, K2ORS (in MA.) are also part of the
 project as I recall.
 
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  My friend Bob Raide, W2ZM (aka cueball!), has one of the experimental
  licenses, and a station running up there. He had an article describing his
  transmitter in the most recent (April) AWA Journal.
 
  Also Conard (not misspelled!) WS4S, is another.
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Re: [AMRadio] 500 Kc (was Re: 450T amp)

2007-06-13 Thread DOXEMF
  After reading all these posts I suppose that the single 803
in a 100W MO circuit, TBW-5 CAY-52238 350-1000Kc, would be a good candidate if 
xtal controlled.
  It's a classic piece.

 High Power on those low FRQ's would shure start the bed springs and Electric 
Stove talking!.

Bill,
KB3DKS/1
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Re: [AMRadio] 500 Kc (was Re: 450T amp)

2007-06-13 Thread WE0H
Starts the fluorescent lights talking for sure...hi hi...Darth Vadar 
style light sticks...I mean fluorescent light sticks...hi hi
Best to use a DDS VFO or other adjustable freq source that is rock 
solid. There are crystal controlled transmitters on 600 meters 
(505-510kc) though and they sound just fine!!!


Mike
WE0H

DOXEMF wrote:

  After reading all these posts I suppose that the single 803
in a 100W MO circuit, TBW-5 CAY-52238 350-1000Kc, would be a good candidate if 
xtal controlled.
  It's a classic piece.

 High Power on those low FRQ's would shure start the bed springs and Electric 
Stove talking!.

Bill,
KB3DKS/1

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Re: [AMRadio] 500 Kc (was Re: 450T amp)

2007-06-13 Thread James M. Walker

If the M.O. output is stable, with and without keying, then it would be just
fine, for CW anyway, one of my transmitters is the RCMA ET-8010A
pair of 211s in the final 807 driver, 807 M.O. and is extremely stable for
that era, remarkably so.

There are those who would say you need the latest digital whiz-bang Gimcrack
but that is not necessarily the case.

One way to find out if 500 KC might be of interest to you is to dust off a 
receiver

tune to the freqs. and see what you hear, mind it will be mostly CW, and CW
beacons for now, but this is just the first round.

Signals are being monitored and you can see if/when folks are transmitting
over the internet by going to

http://www.lowfer.us/grabber.htm
or for Buffalo, NY
http://eshop1.chem.buffalo.edu/Buf-Grab.html
or for Kellog, Ohio
http://ne-ohio-grabber.kn8azn.com/NE_Ohio_Grabber.html
or for Seneca, Missouri
http://www.lowfer.us/mograb.htm

There are lots of opportunities for development work, (homebrewing)
antenna work, (a 30 to 40 foot vertical works), and testing your skills
against band conditions.

Join us, The scared ones never left, and the weak ones died along the way!
Jim
WB2FCN/WD2XSH-22
http://eshop1.chem.buffalo.edu



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 After reading all these posts I suppose that the single 803
in a 100W MO circuit, TBW-5 CAY-52238 350-1000Kc, would be a good 
candidate if xtal controlled.

 It's a classic piece.

High Power on those low FRQ's would shure start the bed springs and 
Electric Stove talking!.


Bill,
KB3DKS/1
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