Re: [AMRadio] Is the novelty of the new 40m bandwearing offalready?

2009-04-23 Thread Bob Carpenter
Al,
Thanks for your comments regarding all hams. I didn't meant to get a small
fire going the other day when I made my comments regarding the extra
waiting at 7160 with nothing going on down there.
I've been on this list for some time, and with the recent changes in the
B'cast stations on 40 all you would see were comment about the old a.m.
freq of 7160 and let's all hit it and get going with A.M. again.
Well looking at the March issue of QST page 59 shows that there are 207,000
general and advance licensees, and 115,500  Extra's.  One would think that
we all would not want to leave out the 207,000 general/advances potential
a.m. op's in our conversation. I've made comments about this in the past and
received the comment about up grading.
Now I understand that in these new day's when it's NOT Fair to keep
someone from doing what they want and in time the FCC will issue tickets
like a fishing lic. It's still not there yet. I plan to up grade in time, 
Sorry for my run on mouth here.
I'll be on 40 tonight running all the power I can ( 100-120watt a.m.)
calling c.q. 7190 to 7180. 7 p.m. est I'm in Jacksonville, Fl, but I do
throw a good signal up the east coast and out towards Alabama and
Mississippi.

Bob 
KB4WEC
-Original Message-
From: amradio-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:amradio-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Al Perkins
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:26 AM
To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Is the novelty of the new 40m bandwearing
offalready?


Gentlemen: As in every aspect of life we go as far as we can and as far as
our understanding will take us. I for one have fought higher math and
Theroy all my life and it does not click. So, I will be the best General
operator I can be. I can probably shot better than most and survive in a
hostile environment better than most but I cannot understand and fathom
theory. 

Yes I could memorize the test but, I still would not be any more qualified
than I am right now. We need to compromize and keep the hobby alive and work
All licensed hams. 



Al Perkins 1SG RET.
 KA1KIX


 

 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:04:23 -0400
 From: ka1...@gmail.com
 To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Is the novelty of the new 40m band wearing
offalready?
 
 On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Bob Carpenter
 bcarpenter_...@bellsouth.net wrote:
  The extra's can't understand why everybody is not down there ! Might
  help if someone would pick a freq. that all HF ham's could use. There
answer
  is get off your butt and up grade.
 
 I don't think that's it at all, Bob - particularly since there's
 virtually zero activity up in the General portion as well. Nor is the
 answer to pick a freq.' as that simply boxes us in and sets up
 expectations for the anti-AM crowd to insist 'get back where you
 belong'. Upgrading is always a plus (I'm only a lowly Advanced, my
 license class doesn't even exist anymore in the testing structure!)
 since it allows you full access to all amateur privileges, but at the
 end of that day - getting on the air and off the internet is the only
 way to improve activity - regardless of mode. The only 'radio season'
 is the one we choose to impose personally. Static and interference -
 intentional or otherwise - have always been an issue we've had to
 contend with.
 
 Those who want to operate will be on the air, those who just want to
 talk about it online will continue to do so.
 
 ~ Todd, KA1KAQ/4
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Re: [AMRadio] Is the novelty of the new 40m bandwearing offalready?

2009-04-23 Thread Tom Chesek
Al,

I think that most Hams realize that the knowledge gained by advancing to 
Extra has nothing technical to do with the band priviledges you gain by 
advancing. You need no additional skills to be on the extra portions of the 
bands than what you already have for General. If you have the ability to 
memorize then go ahead and do it and then have use of those additional 
frequencies. I was not in the hobby when the incentive licensing was put 
into place but the government should have licenses and tests based on 
technical needs, not on enticing you with greater band priviledges. But...it 
is what it is and you have to play the game.

Tom K3TVC


- Original Message - 
From: Al Perkins alsan19...@hotmail.com
To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service 
amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Is the novelty of the new 40m bandwearing 
offalready?



Gentlemen: As in every aspect of life we go as far as we can and as far as 
our understanding will take us. I for one have fought higher math and 
Theroy all my life and it does not click. So, I will be the best General 
operator I can be. I can probably shot better than most and survive in a 
hostile environment better than most but I cannot understand and fathom 
theory.

Yes I could memorize the test but, I still would not be any more qualified 
than I am right now. We need to compromize and keep the hobby alive and work 
All licensed hams.



Al Perkins 1SG RET.
 KA1KIX




 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:04:23 -0400
 From: ka1...@gmail.com
 To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Is the novelty of the new 40m band wearing 
 offalready?

 On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Bob Carpenter
 bcarpenter_...@bellsouth.net wrote:
  The extra's can't understand why everybody is not down there ! Might
  help if someone would pick a freq. that all HF ham's could use. There 
  answer
  is get off your butt and up grade.

 I don't think that's it at all, Bob - particularly since there's
 virtually zero activity up in the General portion as well. Nor is the
 answer to pick a freq.' as that simply boxes us in and sets up
 expectations for the anti-AM crowd to insist 'get back where you
 belong'. Upgrading is always a plus (I'm only a lowly Advanced, my
 license class doesn't even exist anymore in the testing structure!)
 since it allows you full access to all amateur privileges, but at the
 end of that day - getting on the air and off the internet is the only
 way to improve activity - regardless of mode. The only 'radio season'
 is the one we choose to impose personally. Static and interference -
 intentional or otherwise - have always been an issue we've had to
 contend with.

 Those who want to operate will be on the air, those who just want to
 talk about it online will continue to do so.

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Re: [AMRadio] Is the novelty of the new 40m bandwearing offalready?

2009-04-23 Thread Al Perkins

Thank you for the coureous reply. If you'll remember we had the same situation 
when they eliminated the code. I guess I am just looking at it from the 
standpoint of the Govt. in all there infinite wisdom selling off or giving away 
our frequencies. I have many AM friends I left in Maine and we had this 
discussion many times at club meetings. 

Right now all I have for an old AM rig is a G-50. I gave away several old rigs 
as we moved to TN and had to much to ship so will be looking for another rig to 
use on AM 80-40. Hope we meet on the air waves at some point

 

73OM



Allen KA1KIX
 


 

 From: bcarpenter_...@bellsouth.net
 To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:31:45 -0400
 Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Is the novelty of the new 40m bandwearing offalready?
 
 Al,
 Thanks for your comments regarding all hams. I didn't meant to get a small
 fire going the other day when I made my comments regarding the extra
 waiting at 7160 with nothing going on down there.
 I've been on this list for some time, and with the recent changes in the
 B'cast stations on 40 all you would see were comment about the old a.m.
 freq of 7160 and let's all hit it and get going with A.M. again.
 Well looking at the March issue of QST page 59 shows that there are 207,000
 general and advance licensees, and 115,500 Extra's. One would think that
 we all would not want to leave out the 207,000 general/advances potential
 a.m. op's in our conversation. I've made comments about this in the past and
 received the comment about up grading.
 Now I understand that in these new day's when it's NOT Fair to keep
 someone from doing what they want and in time the FCC will issue tickets
 like a fishing lic. It's still not there yet. I plan to up grade in time, 
 Sorry for my run on mouth here.
 I'll be on 40 tonight running all the power I can ( 100-120watt a.m.)
 calling c.q. 7190 to 7180. 7 p.m. est I'm in Jacksonville, Fl, but I do
 throw a good signal up the east coast and out towards Alabama and
 Mississippi.
 
 Bob 
 KB4WEC
 -Original Message-
 From: amradio-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:amradio-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Al Perkins
 Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:26 AM
 To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
 Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Is the novelty of the new 40m bandwearing
 offalready?
 
 
 Gentlemen: As in every aspect of life we go as far as we can and as far as
 our understanding will take us. I for one have fought higher math and
 Theroy all my life and it does not click. So, I will be the best General
 operator I can be. I can probably shot better than most and survive in a
 hostile environment better than most but I cannot understand and fathom
 theory. 
 
 Yes I could memorize the test but, I still would not be any more qualified
 than I am right now. We need to compromize and keep the hobby alive and work
 All licensed hams. 
 
 
 
 Al Perkins 1SG RET.
 KA1KIX
 
 
 
 
  Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:04:23 -0400
  From: ka1...@gmail.com
  To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
  Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Is the novelty of the new 40m band wearing
 offalready?
  
  On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Bob Carpenter
  bcarpenter_...@bellsouth.net wrote:
   The extra's can't understand why everybody is not down there ! Might
   help if someone would pick a freq. that all HF ham's could use. There
 answer
   is get off your butt and up grade.
  
  I don't think that's it at all, Bob - particularly since there's
  virtually zero activity up in the General portion as well. Nor is the
  answer to pick a freq.' as that simply boxes us in and sets up
  expectations for the anti-AM crowd to insist 'get back where you
  belong'. Upgrading is always a plus (I'm only a lowly Advanced, my
  license class doesn't even exist anymore in the testing structure!)
  since it allows you full access to all amateur privileges, but at the
  end of that day - getting on the air and off the internet is the only
  way to improve activity - regardless of mode. The only 'radio season'
  is the one we choose to impose personally. Static and interference -
  intentional or otherwise - have always been an issue we've had to
  contend with.
  
  Those who want to operate will be on the air, those who just want to
  talk about it online will continue to do so.
  
  ~ Todd, KA1KAQ/4
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Re: [AMRadio] Is the novelty of the new 40m bandwearing offalready?

2009-04-23 Thread cemilton

 Bob,

Nice comments.? I'm finishing up restoration of a Collins 32V-2 and hope to 
have it in the shack soon.? Will be looking for you.? I'm south of you in Palm 
Coast, so maybe we'll hear each other.

73
Chuck
W4MIL


 


 

-Original Message-
From: Bob Carpenter bcarpenter_...@bellsouth.net
To: 'Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service' amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:31 am
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Is the novelty of the new 40m bandwearing offalready?










Al,
Thanks for your comments regarding all hams. I didn't meant to get a small
fire going the other day when I made my comments regarding the extra
waiting at 7160 with nothing going on down there.
I've been on this list for some time, and with the recent changes in the
B'cast stations on 40 all you would see were comment about the old a.m.
freq of 7160 and let's all hit it and get going with A.M. again.
Well looking at the March issue of QST page 59 shows that there are 207,000
general and advance licensees, and 115,500  Extra's.  One would think that
we all would not want to leave out the 207,000 general/advances potential
a.m. op's in our conversation. I've made comments about this in the past and
received the comment about up grading.
Now I understand that in these new day's when it's NOT Fair to keep
someone from doing what they want and in time the FCC will issue tickets
like a fishing lic. It's still not there yet. I plan to up grade in time, 
Sorry for my run on mouth here.
I'll be on 40 tonight running all the power I can ( 100-120watt a.m.)
calling c.q. 7190 to 7180. 7 p.m. est I'm in Jacksonville, Fl, but I do
throw a good signal up the east coast and out towards Alabama and
Mississippi.

Bob 
KB4WEC
-Original Message-
From: amradio-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:amradio-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Al Perkins
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:26 AM
To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Is the novelty of the new 40m bandwearing
offalready?


Gentlemen: As in every aspect of life we go as far as we can and as far as
our understanding will take us. I for one have fought higher math and
Theroy all my life and it does not click. So, I will be the best General
operator I can be. I can probably shot better than most and survive in a
hostile environment better than most but I cannot understand and fathom
theory. 

Yes I could memorize the test but, I still would not be any more qualified
than I am right now. We need to compromize and keep the hobby alive and work
All licensed hams. 



Al Perkins 1SG RET.
 KA1KIX


 

 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:04:23 -0400
 From: ka1...@gmail.com
 To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Is the novelty of the new 40m band wearing
offalready?
 
 On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Bob Carpenter
 bcarpenter_...@bellsouth.net wrote:
  The extra's can't understand why everybody is not down there ! Might
  help if someone would pick a freq. that all HF ham's could use. There
answer
  is get off your butt and up grade.
 
 I don't think that's it at all, Bob - particularly since there's
 virtually zero activity up in the General portion as well. Nor is the
 answer to pick a freq.' as that simply boxes us in and sets up
 expectations for the anti-AM crowd to insist 'get back where you
 belong'. Upgrading is always a plus (I'm only a lowly Advanced, my
 license class doesn't even exist anymore in the testing structure!)
 since it allows you full access to all amateur privileges, but at the
 end of that day - getting on the air and off the internet is the only
 way to improve activity - regardless of mode. The only 'radio season'
 is the one we choose to impose personally. Static and interference -
 intentional or otherwise - have always been an issue we've had to
 contend with.
 
 Those who want to operate will be on the air, those who just want to
 talk about it online will continue to do so.
 
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Re: [AMRadio] Is the novelty of the new 40m bandwearing offalready?

2009-04-23 Thread Al Perkins

Thanks Tom: I plan on it but it was another thought for all to ponder. 
73 OM

Allen KA1KIX
 


 

 From: tche...@epix.net
 To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:25:12 -0400
 Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Is the novelty of the new 40m bandwearing offalready?
 
 Al,
 
 I think that most Hams realize that the knowledge gained by advancing to 
 Extra has nothing technical to do with the band priviledges you gain by 
 advancing. You need no additional skills to be on the extra portions of the 
 bands than what you already have for General. If you have the ability to 
 memorize then go ahead and do it and then have use of those additional 
 frequencies. I was not in the hobby when the incentive licensing was put 
 into place but the government should have licenses and tests based on 
 technical needs, not on enticing you with greater band priviledges. But...it 
 is what it is and you have to play the game.
 
 Tom K3TVC
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Al Perkins alsan19...@hotmail.com
 To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service 
 amradio@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Is the novelty of the new 40m bandwearing 
 offalready?
 
 
 
 Gentlemen: As in every aspect of life we go as far as we can and as far as 
 our understanding will take us. I for one have fought higher math and 
 Theroy all my life and it does not click. So, I will be the best General 
 operator I can be. I can probably shot better than most and survive in a 
 hostile environment better than most but I cannot understand and fathom 
 theory.
 
 Yes I could memorize the test but, I still would not be any more qualified 
 than I am right now. We need to compromize and keep the hobby alive and work 
 All licensed hams.
 
 
 
 Al Perkins 1SG RET.
 KA1KIX
 
 
 
 
  Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:04:23 -0400
  From: ka1...@gmail.com
  To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
  Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Is the novelty of the new 40m band wearing 
  offalready?
 
  On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Bob Carpenter
  bcarpenter_...@bellsouth.net wrote:
   The extra's can't understand why everybody is not down there ! Might
   help if someone would pick a freq. that all HF ham's could use. There 
   answer
   is get off your butt and up grade.
 
  I don't think that's it at all, Bob - particularly since there's
  virtually zero activity up in the General portion as well. Nor is the
  answer to pick a freq.' as that simply boxes us in and sets up
  expectations for the anti-AM crowd to insist 'get back where you
  belong'. Upgrading is always a plus (I'm only a lowly Advanced, my
  license class doesn't even exist anymore in the testing structure!)
  since it allows you full access to all amateur privileges, but at the
  end of that day - getting on the air and off the internet is the only
  way to improve activity - regardless of mode. The only 'radio season'
  is the one we choose to impose personally. Static and interference -
  intentional or otherwise - have always been an issue we've had to
  contend with.
 
  Those who want to operate will be on the air, those who just want to
  talk about it online will continue to do so.
 
  ~ Todd, KA1KAQ/4
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Re: [AMRadio] Is the novelty of the new 40m bandwearing offalready?

2009-04-23 Thread Dave Mayfield W9WRL
I was not going to waste my time with a reply to this silly thread, but 
I'm at work and not much else to do so here it goes.

This hole thing got started because some silly extra starting using 
7.160 not THINKING that he was cutting out a bunch of other guys with 
general class tickets, that's it.

As far as upgrading from General, as it already been said. The class of 
ticket you hold has nothing to do with how much you know or how good an 
op you are. I know many extras that could not twist to hunks of wire 
together, and many more who are poor op's.

As far as someone said, I listened up and down the band and heard 
nothing, try speaking the words CQ into your mike and then listening, 
all of a sudden there will AM activity on the band.

Dave W9WRL.com a lowly General

Tom Chesek wrote:
 Al,

 I think that most Hams realize that the knowledge gained by advancing to 
 Extra has nothing technical to do with the band priviledges you gain by 
 advancing. You need no additional skills to be on the extra portions of the 
 bands than what you already have for General. If you have the ability to 
 memorize then go ahead and do it and then have use of those additional 
 frequencies. I was not in the hobby when the incentive licensing was put 
 into place but the government should have licenses and tests based on 
 technical needs, not on enticing you with greater band priviledges. But...it 
 is what it is and you have to play the game.

 Tom K3TVC


 - Original Message - 
 From: Al Perkins alsan19...@hotmail.com
 To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service 
 amradio@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Is the novelty of the new 40m bandwearing 
 offalready?



 Gentlemen: As in every aspect of life we go as far as we can and as far as 
 our understanding will take us. I for one have fought higher math and 
 Theroy all my life and it does not click. So, I will be the best General 
 operator I can be. I can probably shot better than most and survive in a 
 hostile environment better than most but I cannot understand and fathom 
 theory.

 Yes I could memorize the test but, I still would not be any more qualified 
 than I am right now. We need to compromize and keep the hobby alive and work 
 All licensed hams.



 Al Perkins 1SG RET.
  KA1KIX




   
 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:04:23 -0400
 From: ka1...@gmail.com
 To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Is the novelty of the new 40m band wearing 
 offalready?

 On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Bob Carpenter
 bcarpenter_...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 The extra's can't understand why everybody is not down there ! Might
 help if someone would pick a freq. that all HF ham's could use. There 
 answer
 is get off your butt and up grade.
   
 I don't think that's it at all, Bob - particularly since there's
 virtually zero activity up in the General portion as well. Nor is the
 answer to pick a freq.' as that simply boxes us in and sets up
 expectations for the anti-AM crowd to insist 'get back where you
 belong'. Upgrading is always a plus (I'm only a lowly Advanced, my
 license class doesn't even exist anymore in the testing structure!)
 since it allows you full access to all amateur privileges, but at the
 end of that day - getting on the air and off the internet is the only
 way to improve activity - regardless of mode. The only 'radio season'
 is the one we choose to impose personally. Static and interference -
 intentional or otherwise - have always been an issue we've had to
 contend with.

 Those who want to operate will be on the air, those who just want to
 talk about it online will continue to do so.

 ~ Todd, KA1KAQ/4
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Re: [AMRadio] Is the novelty of the new 40m bandwearing offalready?

2009-04-23 Thread Peter A Markavage
Calling CQ on a clear frequency for your class of license is probably the
best source of action. The band isn't that big to tune around for
contacts, and, if tuning around for contacts and/or calling CQ seems to
cause you dismay, maybe you need to get on channel radio and leave the
real radio operating to amateurs who have a tuning knob on their
receivers and a VFO for their transmitters.

Pete, wa2cwa
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