Re: [AMRadio] Subscribe to the ARRL ?
Steve, read my email. Perhaps, a mass mailing to the League rather than the use of email would be more effective. It is so easy to delete email but at least a letter has to be opened! Thanks for your vigorous campaign on this issue. Very much appreciated. Dave, W3ST - W3CRA Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com Join the largest Collins group in the world Nets on 7208 at 4:30 EDST every day and Monday at 3805 at 8 PM EDST - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Subscribe to the ARRL ? I keep wondering if any of these individuals who keep criticizing the ARRL actually are members. Haven't you been reading my messages at all? That's one of my main points in all this bruhaha: As a long-time member I expected I would have at least a small voice in the development of any bandplan changes. But I clearly do not... My respectful and gently-expressed messages to my Director and League officers regarding the IARU Region 2 bandplan have been ignored, insulted, attacked, scorned, belittled, and pooh-poohed. Steve WD8DAS Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Subscribe to the ARRL ?
David Knepper wrote: Steve, read my email. Perhaps, a mass mailing to the League rather than the use of email would be more effective. It is so easy to delete email but at least a letter has to be opened! It DOES? Generally, if I know what it is, there's no need to go through it twice.. I toss it, unopened, in the trash. In today's technologically advanced age of communication, e-mail and fax are the preferred ways of business communications. -- Driving your AM Rig without a scope, is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV) -- 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Subscribe to the ARRL ?
Individual mileages may vary on this subject, but a letter, sent via USPS Registered Mail, Return Receipt Requested, will most likely not result in it being tossed. The ARRL doesn't know if it's a donation, subscription or garbage. Doubtful they will trash anything resembling business. We had a local incident with an over-zealous OO a few years back (read that Band Cop) when his ARRL appointment sort of went to his head. He hung out on 2m repeaters and sent nasty notes to several hams. Our local club sent a formal business letter, complete with copies of the OO cards and the rebuttals citing Part 97, to the ARRL. Within days, the problem was solvedat least for us. And the reply from ARRL was via letternot e-mail. I'd recommend a formal letter. BTW, the thread on the IARU situation has been most welcomed here. Thanks to all who have worked to expose the facts and who provided us with enough info to express our concerns. My comments will go directly to ARRL in Newington as the chain of command using the ARRL appointees and elected Directors, Vice-Directors, Section Managers, Assistant Section Managers and various other officials is basically an exercise in bureaucracy. Best 73 de W4MIL Chuck Palm Coast, FL -Original Message- From: Geoff/W5OMR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 7:51 am Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Subscribe to the ARRL ? David Knepper wrote: Steve, read my email. Perhaps, a mass mailing to the League rather than the use of email would be more effective. It is so easy to delete email but at least a letter has to be opened! It DOES? Generally, if I know what it is, there's no need to go through it twice.. I toss it, unopened, in the trash. In today's technologically advanced age of communication, e-mail and fax are the preferred ways of business communications. -- Driving your AM Rig without a scope, is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV) -- 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp000503 __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Subscribe to the ARRL ?
In all due respect, on what authority do you make such a statement? If someone takes the time to write a letter with first class postage, I read it. Thank you Dave, W3ST - W3CRA Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com Join the largest Collins group in the world Nets on 7208 at 4:30 EDST every day and Monday at 3805 at 8 PM EDST - Original Message - From: Geoff/W5OMR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Subscribe to the ARRL ? David Knepper wrote: Steve, read my email. Perhaps, a mass mailing to the League rather than the use of email would be more effective. It is so easy to delete email but at least a letter has to be opened! It DOES? Generally, if I know what it is, there's no need to go through it twice.. I toss it, unopened, in the trash. In today's technologically advanced age of communication, e-mail and fax are the preferred ways of business communications. -- Driving your AM Rig without a scope, is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV) -- 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Subscribe to the ARRL ?
Do you really believe that the League is not beseiged with email already on this issue. One simple click of the delete button and your thoughts on this timely subject simply get trashed. Email may be expedient and effortless, but nothing beats a letter. Folks respect someone's effort to send the very best. Next time, someone member of my family or a friend has a birthday, I will use an email card electronically generated - how cheap can one get. I guess you like an electronically QSL card, too. Thanks and think about. Dave, W3ST - W3CRA - Original Message - From: Geoff/W5OMR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Subscribe to the ARRL ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Individual mileages may vary on this subject, but a letter, sent via USPS Registered Mail, Return Receipt Requested, will most likely not result in it being tossed. The ARRL doesn't know if it's a donation, subscription or garbage. Doubtful they will trash anything resembling business. And (to quote popular east-coast vernacular) how much of a pain in the scrote is that, vs just writing the mail, stuffing an envelope and sticking a stamp on it to let the local postal carrier pick it up and deliver it? NOW you've involved the process up getting out in the real world, hauling yourself to the postal orifice (never mind the cost of gasoline now, and normal wear-and-tear on your vehicle) but sending Registered, return receipt requested mail requires -more- money! I say 'flood their email inboxes'. -- Driving your AM Rig without a scope, is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV) -- 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Subscribe to the ARRL ?
David Knepper wrote: In all due respect, on what authority do you make such a statement? If someone takes the time to write a letter with first class postage, I read it. I am not you, David. Just because that's something -you- chose to do, do not automatically ass/u/me that everyone does things the same way -you- do. Make no mistake, I am in charge of -my- life. Therefore, under the authority of being the primary care giver of myself, I make that statement, and I'll live by it, too. -- Driving your AM Rig without a scope, is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV) -- 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Subscribe to the ARRL ?
David Knepper wrote: Next time, someone member of my family or a friend has a birthday, I will use an email card electronically generated - how cheap can one get. I guess you like an electronically QSL card, too. Again, David... just because that's the way -YOU- do things, doesn't mean that the rest of the world should follow in your footsteps. I will make my -own- decisions, thankyouverymuch. I'm cheap? Perhaps. I'm not arrogant. -- Driving your AM Rig without a scope, is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV) -- 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Subscribe to the ARRL ?
On Nov 27, 2007 7:33 AM, Geoff/W5OMR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Knepper wrote: Next time, someone member of my family or a friend has a birthday, I will use an email card electronically generated - how cheap can one get. I guess you like an electronically QSL card, too. Again, David... just because that's the way -YOU- do things, doesn't mean that the rest of the world should follow in your footsteps. I will make my -own- decisions, thankyouverymuch. I'm cheap? Perhaps. I'm not arrogant. Ok, both of you have your opinions on how YOU do things, etc. We got the picture, and I doubt either of you will sway the other, so lets get on with other things at hand. It's hard enough for most of us to keep up with the original topic of the IARU as it is. Brian / wa5am __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Subscribe to the ARRL ?
I keep wondering if any of these individuals who keep criticizing the ARRL actually are members. Haven't you been reading my messages at all? That's one of my main points in all this bruhaha: As a long-time member I expected I would have at least a small voice in the development of any bandplan changes. But I clearly do not... My respectful and gently-expressed messages to my Director and League officers regarding the IARU Region 2 bandplan have been ignored, insulted, attacked, scorned, belittled, and pooh-poohed. Steve WD8DAS Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
[AMRadio] Subscribe to the ARRL ?
Dave, Your posting about whether people are members of the ARRL is somewhat off-topic if you intended to present it as part of the discussion about the controversial IARU Region 2 band plan. Subscribing to the ARRL is not a contingency for their representation of U.S. licensees at the IARU. Nor is it a pre-requisite for their obligation to respond to concerns as expressed on the matter. As the member society or representative club for U.S. licensees at the IARU, at least for the time being, their obligations to us do not hinge on whether any of us has paid dues to the ARRL. Separately, in response to you question, I paid $39 to take part in the Atlantic Division survey conducted by volunteer elected Director Bill Edgar, N3LLR. The results of that survey, which included the Great Lakes and Delta Divisions as well, showed nearly 20 percent of the respondents listed AM as among their HF activities. That finding was worth the price of admission, and if anything, should have precluded the kind of treatment against the AM community caused by Paul Rinaldo at the IARU conference in Brazil. If you or anyone else can find a way to hold him accountable, and/or the ARRL Board of Directors that Joel Harrison said gave him the policy to carry out at Brazil, then you will be earning the $39 you have spent to subscribe to the League. (contradiction deliberate) Paul/VJB Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
