[amsat-bb] Re: Arrow antenna reconfiguration results - UPDATE
Could very well be. 73, Jeff WB3JFS - Original Message - From: Gary Joe Mayfield gary_mayfi...@hotmail.com To: 'Jeff Yanko' wb3...@cox.net; 'Charles Suprin' hamaa...@gmail.com Cc: 'Joe' n...@mwt.net; 'AMSAT-BB' amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:27 PM Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: Arrow antenna reconfiguration results - UPDATE We are missing the easy answer. He had diplexer that was off spec. It happens. 73, Joe kk0sd -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Yanko Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 4:28 PM To: Charles Suprin Cc: Joe; AMSAT-BB; Gary Joe Mayfield Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Arrow antenna reconfiguration results - UPDATE Hi Charles and the group, FB on the numbers. Interesting to say the least and thanks for taking the time to look further into this topic. Questions? I have a few after looking at these numbers and performing more observations. First, are you testing just the diplexer and not the diplexer and the antenna combined? This could result in an overall number and not just the diplexer alone. How could there be a large discrepency between preliminary reports, 2.65dB and .5dB now. Could be equipment calibration, human error, etc. from previously tested, or attempted testing of the device. I don't believe any improvements have been made to the Arrow diplexer, but who knows? Second, I switched back to the Arrow diplexer and made another comparison with the Comet diplexer. Again, no comparison, the Comet outperformed. Why would this happen if the two are pretty close to one another in numbers. The Comet has .25db loss at VHF and .26 at UHF. Third, with the Arrow diplexer I wouldn't begin to receive the birds until almost 3 minutes after AOS, with the Comet diplexer a minute to 1.5 minutes after AOS. Yes, watch calibrated to WWV and multiple times of acquiring the birds. I've tried both setups with the HT and D710 and they both show the same results respectively, Arrow diplexer vs. Comet diplexer. The antenna and coax remain the same, the difference, the diplexer. May not be test lab quality but something is proving itself. What is it? Finally, is it just my Arrow diplexer? Doesn't appear to be shorted or any defects to it. Actually looks great and assembled very well. I've encountered others saying the same thing. However, a very noticable difference to the overall performance. 73, Jeff WB3JFS - Original Message - From: Charles Suprin To: Jeff Yanko Cc: Joe ; Gary Joe Mayfield ; AMSAT-BB Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Arrow antenna reconfiguration results - UPDATE Howdy Jeff, Someone asked and here we go. A file attachment follows. Actually the diplexer looks pretty good. Less than half a db of loss at VHF and around half a dB at UHF. I checked the calibration and that was within tenth of a dB over the entire range. Any questions. Charles AA1VS On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Jeff Yanko wb3...@cox.net wrote: Hi Joe and all, I doubt if the Arrow diplexer has 20dB of loss. If it did, we'd never receive a signal! :) I believe somebody here on the -bb will be performing a test on the Arrow diplexer using a vector/network analyzer. It will be interesting to say the least. There were preliminary reports saying the device had a loss anywhere from 2.65 to 2.80dB. That's close enough to 3dB which is technically half power loss. Add the loss of a short piece of coax and it will certainly be pushed over the 3dB line. If I recall correctly, cross polarity is also a 3dB loss. I have noticed that when I rotate the antenna I might get a stronger downlink but I never lose it when I rotate it back. Before, when I would do that it would drop once I rotated in either direction from the peak signal. Basically what is going on is the lossy device is removed and replaced with a more efficient one, that extra net gain you just boosted now shows how the system on the antenna side of the diplexer is truly performing. I don't have an antenna analysis program to perform a test, but what does a 7 element 440 yagi pattern look like and what is its overall gain? What we need to do is break down the antenna configuration into 3 segments, see what their losses and gains are then combine them for the overall figure. The 3 segment would be the antenna, the diplexer and the coax. Each one will be tested individually to give an accurate number for each. 73, Jeff WB3JFS - Original Message - From: Joe n...@mwt.net To: Gary Joe Mayfield gary_mayfi...@hotmail.com Cc: 'AMSAT-BB' amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:42 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Arrow antenna reconfiguration
[amsat-bb] off grid solar system
Hi guys,must agree with Tom we should all be looking at small pv setups! here i run 1KW PV charging my stand by bat ! which is some 1500amp ! and 3kw inverter! ...look about its amazing what is abt on 12v dc!! i also run solar hot water pan...to heat the water paul (2e1eub) ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Fwd: [ARISS-i] Video available on Internet
-- Forwarded message -- From: Gaston BERTELS gaston.bert...@skynet.be Date: 2009/10/3 Subject: [ARISS-i] Video available on Internet To: aris...@amsat.org ARISS CIENCIA VIVA CONTACT VIDEO NOW AVAILABLE The October 1 ARISS School Contact with Ciencia Viva Museum in Lisbon, Portugal was a success. A video is presently visible at : http://www.cvtv.pt/imagens/index.asp?id_tag=15id_video=408 73 Gaston Bertels - ON4WF ARISS Chairman ___ ARISS-i mailing list aris...@amsat.org http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/ariss-i -- 73 Fabiano Moser CR7/PY5RX ARISS-PORTUGAL (Amateur Radio on the International Space Station) Representative at Teleconference and Portugal Telebridge Coordinator. AMRAD/AMSAT-CT http://www.amrad.pt/ariss.php There is no great talent without great will. (Honoré de Balzac) ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: OFF grid solar system
Think in terms of ... an independant 12 volt DC system.. starting small and building up over time... We need to be energy independant on a small scale... Agree, but think in terms of big panels if you want low cost. I have Eighteen 1 foot solar panels on my car that produce 215 watts total, but the cost for small panels was $2400. Now the cost of a single 3.3' by 5.5' house panel is only $600 and it produces 225 watts. A 4 to 1 cost savings. So you can get a lot more watts per dollar by getting a large panel. Though it is a 30 volt panel good for a 24/28 volt battery system. You can still use it for a 12v system by charging the batteries in series and using them in parallel or getting a 24VDC to 12VDC converter available at any truck parts store. Bob, Wb4APR ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] FW: OFF grid solar system
I am reposting the original message for your review because bruninga changed my meaning by taking words out of context. Sorry about the repost but I hate having my work corrupted. thanks and go solar, pat --- Original Message --- From: Thomas McGrane[mailto:n2...@aceweb.com] Sent: 10/2/2009 10:39:56 PM To : amsat-bb@amsat.org Cc : Subject : FW: OFF grid solar system The grid is vulnerable as a system. We have to stop always thinking about being connected to or relying on the utility grid. Think in terms of building an independant 12 volt DC system (low voltage) for the average dwelling to operate independant of the grid by charging batteries from solar or wind and utilizing the energy real time or later from the batteries. It seems everyone has visions of large expensive rooftop systems but starting small and building up over time will reduce the utility bill by substitution. We need to be energy independant on a small scale as well as looking at the big picture. Small systems can easily run lights, TV’s, radios, even a small refridgerator for essentials. You would still need the grid power for large loads like heat, large refridgerators, etc but you can have a seperate system to rely on if you suffer some calamity. With the advent of the “smart” grid, you dont want to be connected to the grid. Remember, the wires are antennas as well as conducting electricity. We owe our reliance on a large electrical system to Nickolai Tesla who developed high voltage alternating current power systems that won out over Thomas Edisons Direct Current system around the turn of the last century. The idea was to minmize power loss over long distances. Therefore we should all promote local or household Low voltage DC solar or wind systems to reduce the use of grid power and for much better reliability. Through the years I have built a very economical system comprised of several solar panels with a capacity of about 130 watts that automatically charge 6 large deep cycle and regular batteries from which I operate some radios , lights and in the event of loss of utility power, a small refridgerator. I also have a couple of cheap store bought DC to AC inverters if I need to operate an AC device, Solar panels have come down in price dramatically and production capabity is expanding, so start now. Think independant and start small instead of suffering mega system price hesitance. A world of 12 volt dc devices are available from hardware, marine, automotive and internet sources. You just have to start. Be the first on your block to confuse the lineman who show up during a power failure. I did. I posted the above text on the new york times Green Inc energy blog back on september 23, 2009 as a comment to an article regarding solar power in africa. The internal discharge in a deep cycle battery is only about 50 milliamps which I consider insignificant. I dont want to be connected to the grid which I consider STUPID and you dont either. Dont follow, think for yourselves. Think about this. brain waves operate up to about 20 cycles per second, imagine what 60 cycles is doing to you and the world. Pat ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: OFF grid solar system
Ok, I'm not *trying* to be dense here, but regardless of whether you tie into the grid, use batteries, or have an off-grid system with no batteries that only works during the day, what happens to the 30% waste of generated electricity that is dissipated as heat? What am I missing? Something you *all* must be aware of, those transformers on the pole work both ways: 7200VAC down to 240VAC and 240VAC back to 7200VAC. If you get a lineman out there working on a phase he thinks is not hot and he gets seriously injured or killed, you will be liable. I'm *not* saying this to discourage you, but to make sure you use a licensed electrician to install a proper automatic disconnect switch. Alabama Power requires an automatic disconnect. 73, Joel, W4JBB Bob Bruninga wrote: Think in terms of ... an independant 12 volt DC system.. starting small and building up over time... We need to be energy independant on a small scale... Agree, but think in terms of big panels if you want low cost. I have Eighteen 1 foot solar panels on my car that produce 215 watts total, but the cost for small panels was $2400. Now the cost of a single 3.3' by 5.5' house panel is only $600 and it produces 225 watts. A 4 to 1 cost savings. So you can get a lot more watts per dollar by getting a large panel. Though it is a 30 volt panel good for a 24/28 volt battery system. You can still use it for a 12v system by charging the batteries in series and using them in parallel or getting a 24VDC to 12VDC converter available at any truck parts store. Bob, Wb4APR ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FW: OFF grid solar system
From: Thomas McGrane[mailto:n2...@aceweb.com] Sent: 10/2/2009 10:39:56 PM To : amsat-bb@amsat.org Cc : Subject : FW: OFF grid solar system The grid is vulnerable as a system. How can you state that it is vulnerable without stating exactly the nature of that which threatens it? We have to stop always thinking about being connected to or relying on the utility grid. You mean stop using an economical, well tested solution to power and spend much more re-inventing the wheel and ending up with a much less cost effective solution. Think in terms of building an independant 12 volt DC system (low voltage) although we know that distribution at a higher voltace is both cheaper and more efficient. Small systems can easily run lights, TV’s, radios, even a small refridgerator for essentials. But not the SAME lights, TV etc, that we already have. More expense buying two of everything, one for mains voltage and one for 12 volts. You would still need the grid power for large loads like heat, large refridgerators, To run you life support systems. Freezers for food, heat, water pumps... You're only proposing self generated to run the small luxuries that nobody NEEDS. Remember, the wires are antennas And the wires that distribute your 12V supply are somehow NOT antennas? We owe our reliance on a large electrical system to Nickolai Tesla Thanks Nikolai. You did a great job. The idea was to minmize power loss over long distances. Therefore we should all promote local or household Low voltage DC solar or wind systems So you reduce losses in the grid system by not using it. That doesn't reduce losses, it just means that you are not affected by them. Through the years I have built a very economical system comprised of several solar panels with a capacity of about 130 watts You'd have problems powering a good set of headphones with that. My standby is going to be a 25KW generator and a tank of propane. I dont want to be connected to the grid which I consider STUPID and you dont either. Dont follow, think for yourselves. The grid is not stupid, it is inanimate. The grids operators might, in your opinion be stupid. What gives you the authority to decide what I WANT? You might think you know what's best for me but I don't want that. Think about this. brain waves operate up to about 20 cycles per second, imagine what 60 cycles is doing to you and the world. So after all that, you're just some mickey mouse GREEN ENVIROMENTALIST on your campaign trail. -- Nigel A. Gunn, 1865 El Camino Drive, Xenia, OH 45385-1115, USA. tel +1 937 825 5032 Amateur Radio G8IFF W8IFF (was KC8NHF), e-mail ni...@ngunn.net www http://www.ngunn.net Member of ARRL, GQRP #11396, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548, Flying Pigs QRP Club International #385, Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691, AMSAT-UK 0182, MKARS, ALC, GCARES, XWARN. ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FW: OFF grid solar system
Hey Bob. Seems that people don't like your truthful and honest approach to life. I guess he won't like me for the same reason. Being honest and trustworthy just don't pay! Thomas McGrane wrote: because bruninga changed my meaning by taking words out of context. ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] On the Air from Iceland
Greetings to all, I would like to let anyone who is interested in working Iceland know that from Sept. 28 through Oct. 5th 2009 I will be operating every daytime/evening FM satellite pass I can between 10:00 and 01:00 UTC from Iceland. Please keep in mind that the weather in Iceland can be pretty extreme, and my primary reason for being here with my wife is to tour, so I will not be on every pass, but most days I will work many passes. Equipment on this end is a 3w TH-D7AG with Arrow Antenna and headset for full duplex work. I am updating my satellite log daily on my QRZ page. The log includes both North America and Europe so far... The volcanic ground along with the almost complete lack of trees (and buildings outside of Reykjavik) make working the low passes easy, so do not be discouraged if you see a low pass listed for Iceland...you just may work me anyway. I have made several QSOs on passes under 4 degrees maximum elevation. If you are in an artic location or africa and think you have a shot at working me, I would be specifically interested in working you and would ask that you email me directly for a sked. Everyone else, please just look for me on the birdsI am on quite abit. 73 to all, Tom-TF/N2YTF ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] On the Air from Iceland (Tom, TF/N2YTF)
Posted by Nick, KB1RVT on behalf of Tom, N2YTF: Greetings to all, I would like to let anyone who is interested in working Iceland know that from Sept. 28 through Oct. 5th 2009 I will be operating every daytime/evening FM satellite pass I can between 10:00 and 01:00 UTC from Iceland. Please keep in mind that the weather in Iceland can be pretty extreme, and my primary reason for being here with my wife is to tour, so I will not be on every pass, but most days I will work many passes. Equipment on this end is a 3w TH-D7AG with Arrow Antenna and headset for full duplex work. I am updating my satellite log daily on my QRZ page. The log includes both North America and Europe so far... The volcanic ground along with the almost complete lack of trees (and buildings outside of Reykjavik) make working the low passes easy, so do not be discouraged if you see a low pass listed for Iceland...you just may work me anyway. I have made several QSOs on passes under 4 degrees maximum elevation. If you are in an arctic location or africa and think you have a shot at working me, I would be specifically interested in working you and would ask that you email me directly for a sked. Everyone else, please just look for me on the birdsI am on quite abit. 73 to all, Tom-TF/N2YTF n2...@arrl.net ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Maxim-IC
Hello All I hope everyone is doing great. I need to know where i can get a max2633 chip without buying 2,500 of them? Thanks everyone for the help 73, Thank You Douglas Anoman KC9MLN kc9...@amsat.org Amsat #37043 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Launch coverage!
David - KG4ZLB wrote: Does anyone know if NASA plans to broadcast footage from inside the Shuttle, maybe a split screen showing the traditional launch and the other side showing the crew during lift off? I have seen split screens on NASA TV, usually a day or two after launch. A quick you-tube search revealed this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WdQHQY0xJs -Joe ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Maxim-IC
Have you tried going to their site and see if it is available as a sample? I do that a lot with them if I want to try a new unit or experiment without buying a large number. I don't think I have actually bought anything from them except where I needed quantities. Regards, Reid, W4UPD Douglas Anoman wrote: Hello All I hope everyone is doing great. I need to know where i can get a max2633 chip without buying 2,500 of them? Thanks everyone for the help 73, Thank You Douglas Anoman KC9MLN kc9...@amsat.org Amsat #37043 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.14.3/2411 - Release Date: 10/03/09 06:20:00 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Launch coverage!
Well I suppose that's a start but it would be good to see it live; I guess NASA is not as confident as the Russians that a launch will be successful so they delay any inside shots! David KG4ZLB Joe Fitzgerald wrote: I have seen split screens on NASA TV, usually a day or two after launch. A quick you-tube search revealed this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WdQHQY0xJs -Joe ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Orbital Decay - Model of the Atmosphere
Hi Need a model of atmospheric density at varying altitudes, then this site may be of interest. http://omniweb.gsfc.nasa.gov/vitmo/msis_vitmo.html 73 John G7HIA ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Portable Tracking
Hi All, I am looking for opinions and idea on a PDA or device and software or application I can take with me to show the satellite pass predictions when I travel. Thanks Joe KI4TZ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Demo in Long Beach - With a Difference
Everything was proceeding marvelously last night at the Associated Radio Amateurs of Long Beach (CA) meeting. A few folks showed up early as we worked the 0053 GMT pass of AO-51 from outside the meeting room. We then moved inside for my presentation. Since my wife is in finishing a month-long trip to Tibet, I left my phone on in buzz mode in case she called or sent text messages. In the middle of my show, my phone buzzes. I calmly sneak a look at the phone, and was pleasantly surprised to see a QSL from XE3DX David Maciel - one of the contacts we made earlier! Oh, the audience was properly impressed! THANK YOU, David! And thanks to the others that made that demo a success. Clint Bradford, K6LCS http://www.work-sat.com P.S. - Upcoming AMSAT presentations in Southern California ... October 5 - WARA (Fullerton) meeting* October 8 - EchoLink “SCARS” Node 96140 5:30PM PDT October 15 - West Coast ARC (Huntington Beach)* October 17 - Victor Valley ARC’s JOTA November 5 - Crest REACT (Corona) November 8 - QWCA Chapter 7 (Norwalk) ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Portable Tracking
PocketSat freeware or PocketSat+ inexpensive registered and supposed to calculate faster http://www.bigfattail.com/software/pocketsatplus/ On any old Palm that you can pick up for $5 at a flea market of get for free by asking. Millions of these PDA's are sitting in drawers unused because folks have graduated to smart phones, crack berries iphones etc. I use a Palm IIIxe black and white. Color would be nicer. You need Palm One Quick Install and a serial or IR port to update KEPS on the Palm from a PC. -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of joe barkley Sent: October 3, 2009 12:28 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Portable Tracking Hi All, I am looking for opinions and idea on a PDA or device and software or application I can take with me to show the satellite pass predictions when I travel. Thanks Joe KI4TZ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Portable Tracking
joe barkley wrote: Hi All, I am looking for opinions and idea on a PDA or device and software or application I can take with me to show the satellite pass predictions when I travel. Thanks Joe KI4TZ The little Win XP netbooks are hard to beat. I've seen them as cheap as 199, they will run SatPC32, and even do email and websurfing via wifi or a tethered phone. Standard USB ports make life nice too. 73, Drew KO4MA ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Portable Tracking
Ditto this recommendation. PocketSat+ is a very usable, compact, yet full featured satellite tracking package. And the Palm is something you can always have with you. I recently graduated from my Palm-Vx to a Nokia N810, and found the Garnet Virtual Machine, which builds a Palm inside my Nokia. So, I'm still a happy PocketSat+ user (and now it's in color!). Greg KO6TH From: ve...@mts.net To: jbark...@truvista.net; amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:37:33 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Portable Tracking PocketSat freeware or PocketSat+ inexpensive registered and supposed to calculate faster http://www.bigfattail.com/software/pocketsatplus/ On any old Palm that you can pick up for $5 at a flea market of get for free by asking. Millions of these PDA's are sitting in drawers unused because folks have graduated to smart phones, crack berries iphones etc. I use a Palm IIIxe black and white. Color would be nicer. You need Palm One Quick Install and a serial or IR port to update KEPS on the Palm from a PC. -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of joe barkley Sent: October 3, 2009 12:28 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Portable Tracking Hi All, I am looking for opinions and idea on a PDA or device and software or application I can take with me to show the satellite pass predictions when I travel. Thanks Joe KI4TZ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Maxim-IC
Go To the web site and ask for samples nick -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Anoman Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:52 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Maxim-IC Hello All I hope everyone is doing great. I need to know where i can get a max2633 chip without buying 2,500 of them? Thanks everyone for the help 73, Thank You Douglas Anoman KC9MLN kc9...@amsat.org Amsat #37043 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Understanding ITA
I just read the article about ITAR in the Jan/Feb 2009 AMSAT Journal. I have to say that the article didn't help me understand ITAR at all. It seems to have skipped the first several steps in the explanation. For example, what criteria are used to judge that a device has dual use as a munition? It is not at all obvious to my feeble mind how a 23 GHz amplifier or IHU-3 (computer) can be judged to have dual use as a munition. What criteria does ITAR law use to EXCLUDE devices that have obvious dual uses as munitions? For example, GSM cell phones have been used to remotely control explosive devices that killed thousands of U.S. servicemen. Are they not regulated because they are too ubiquitous to control? Wayne Estes W9AE Oakland, Oregon, USA, CN83ik ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] GENSO First Public Release
The first public release was scheduled for September 2009 Search GENSO.ORG AMSAT UK and Google and there is no recent status changes nor has it been release. Anyone close to this project with an update for us? 73, Alan VE4YZ EN19kv AMSAT LM 2352 http://www.wincube.ca http://www.wincube.ca/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Arrow Diplexer loss + Arrow v Elk
Jeff, you said; The antenna and coax remain the same, the difference, the diplexer. My Arrow diplexer has three factory fixed wires coming out of it, one for the radio and two that go to BNC connectors on the Arrow antenna. So, you cannot say; the coax remains the same! The coax on your diplexer or the connections to it, can be at fault as well. These coax wires and how well they are connected to the Arrow diplexer, are another variable that you have not considered in your statement because they are removed from the mix when using the Elk, unless you are trying to use the Arrow diplexer on the Elk Log Periodic antenna, Which I doubt because I am assuming you used the same one radio configuration on the Elk as you did the Arrow with your diplexer but if you are that could be presenting some other variables to produce the results your experiencing. You have to use different cables for your Comet Duplexer on the Arrow, from the Comet, to the antenna connection. Although, I agree that the Arrow seems to pick up the signal a little later then my Elk antenna, both antennas work pretty darn good, IMO. I like them both and recommend them both. I do not have a technical background so my comments here, are all anecdotal in nature but the other thing I have noticed between the two antennas, is that when I make terrestrial contacts with them, the Elk appears to radiate almost as well toward the back, as toward the front. I have been told this is called front to back ratio. If I point north, a guy from the south calls back and I tell him, wow I am pointed north, let me turn and point it toward you...any better And usually there is little if any improvement, while on the Elk and what blows my mind is, there is also a fair bit of response from people even 90 degrees from the business end of the Elk. I have tried the same with the Arrow and gotten much different reports. This is only a general statement; I think the Arrow has a better front to back ratio, more energy going out the front end but I know there are other variables such as; hand held or up on the tripod I use to hold them each up (at times) and perhaps the ground under me, or the moisture in the ground during the different attempts, etc. (4-5' above the ground on tripod and me not always right behind it, so plenty of variables but in general, that is my experience in the field) Nevertheless, I have mentioned this to several on the board who have the Elk's and no one has responded that they have tested there's in this regard, so take this with a grain of salt for now. To others, I would love to hear your experience in this regard. I have asked a capable HAM friend to help me figure this out, properly, so one day I will have more then anecdotal info. I think both antennas are very well built and work well for satellite and emergency communications!I have often pulled one of them out, with success, when band conditions would not allow an Omni to get the job done on my VX-7R. I found the Elk a little cheaper to buy unless you do not purchase the Arrow diplexer. For others I will point out that, you can use the Arrow with two radios without a duplexer, with same two radio configuration, you will need a duplexer for the Elk and of course the reverse is true if you are using one radio for dual band work, as I do, the Arrow will require a duplexer and the Elk will not. Also as many of you know the Arrow diplexer is only rated for 10 watts but without it both antennas will handle much more. 73 de Rich KI6RRQ Message: 15 Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 23:26:38 -0700 From: Jeff Yanko wb3...@cox.net Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Arrow antenna reconfiguration results - UPDATE To: Gary \Joe\ Mayfield gary_mayfi...@hotmail.com,'Charles Suprin' hamaa...@gmail.com Could very well be. 73, Jeff WB3JFS - Original Message - From: Gary Joe Mayfield gary_mayfi...@hotmail.com To: 'Jeff Yanko' wb3...@cox.net; 'Charles Suprin' hamaa...@gmail.com Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: Arrow antenna reconfiguration results - UPDATE We are missing the easy answer. He had diplexer that was off spec. It happens. 73, Joe kk0sd -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Yanko Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 4:28 PM To: Charles Suprin Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Arrow antenna reconfiguration results - UPDATE Hi Charles and the group, FB on the numbers. Interesting to say the least and thanks for taking the time to look further into this topic. Questions? I have a few after looking at these numbers and performing more observations. First, are you testing just the diplexer and not the diplexer and the antenna combined? This could result in an overall number and not just the diplexer alone. How could there be a large discrepency between preliminary reports, 2.65dB and .5dB now. Could be equipment calibration, human error, etc. from
[amsat-bb] Arrow Antennas - Horrible Performers
... from what I have read, a 2.65db loss of signal using Arrow's crappy duplexer ... Unless an Arrow Antenna performance report beings with, My Motorola test equipment - certified within the last year - indicates ... [such- and-such performance characteristics] ... - this that post is worthless to me. And should be worthless to anyone demanding the best-available information. And such mis-information shouldn't be passed on to anyone else. And messagegroup moderators should delete such undocumented tripe. Needless to say, I haven't read much of the recent Arrow Performance threads. Just aren't worth my time. Just my opinion, of course. I have been wrong. I couldn't ask for - nor imagine - better performance from my Arrow Antennas than what I am enjoying now. They prove themselves pass after pass, demo after demo Clint Bradford West coast curmudgeon http://www.work-sat.com ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Portable Tracking
In a message dated 10/3/2009 3:24:29 PM Central Daylight Time, ko6th_g...@hotmail.com writes: Subj: [amsat-bb] Re: Portable Tracking Date:10/3/2009 3:24:29 PM Central Daylight Time From:ko6th_g...@hotmail.com To:jbark...@truvista.net, amsat-bb@amsat.org Received from Internet: Ditto this recommendation. PocketSat+ is a very usable, compact, yet full featured satellite tracking package. And the Palm is something you can always have with you. I recently graduated from my Palm-Vx to a Nokia N810, and found the Garnet Virtual Machine, which builds a Palm inside my Nokia. So, I'm still a happy PocketSat+ user (and now it's in color!). Greg KO6TH From: ve...@mts.net To: jbark...@truvista.net; amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:37:33 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Portable Tracking PocketSat freeware or PocketSat+ inexpensive registered and supposed to calculate faster http://www.bigfattail.com/software/pocketsatplus/ On any old Palm that you can pick up for $5 at a flea market of get for free by asking. Millions of these PDA's are sitting in drawers unused because folks have graduated to smart phones, crack berries iphones etc. I use a Palm IIIxe black and white. Color would be nicer. You need Palm One Quick Install and a serial or IR port to update KEPS on the Palm from a PC. -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of joe barkley Sent: October 3, 2009 12:28 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Portable Tracking Hi All, I am looking for opinions and idea on a PDA or device and software or application I can take with me to show the satellite pass predictions when I travel. Thanks Joe KI4TZ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb I have also used PocketSat+ but on a Dell PDA. This was the Windows Mobile version of the program. I am a new user of PocketSat3 for the iPhone and it is great as well. 73 - Keith, W5IU ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Understanding ITAR
Hi Wayne, The State Department defines what is considered a munition in the ITAR regulations. See: http://pmddtc.state.gov/ The criteria is obviously determined by the State Department with direction from the Congress. The article just tries to describe some examples without trying to justify or explain why something is or isn't a munition. The main point of the article is that any communications satellite, whether it is an Amateur, a university or a commercial satellite is considered by ITAR to be a munition controlled by ITAR export regulations. That's a fact and to understand the criteria is to understand the thinking of the authors of the regulation (State Department and the Congress), which I can't do. To be sure, export regulations can be complicated and at times appear to us as being irrational. But the fact remains, ITAR is an export law that we at AMSAT have to comply with. Regards...Bil - N6GHz Wayne Estes wrote: I just read the article about ITAR in the Jan/Feb 2009 AMSAT Journal. I have to say that the article didn't help me understand ITAR at all. It seems to have skipped the first several steps in the explanation. For example, what criteria are used to judge that a device has dual use as a munition? It is not at all obvious to my feeble mind how a 23 GHz amplifier or IHU-3 (computer) can be judged to have dual use as a munition. What criteria does ITAR law use to EXCLUDE devices that have obvious dual uses as munitions? For example, GSM cell phones have been used to remotely control explosive devices that killed thousands of U.S. servicemen. Are they not regulated because they are too ubiquitous to control? Wayne Estes W9AE Oakland, Oregon, USA, CN83ik ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Questions regarding WISP and operating satellite BBS
Hi all I am trying to download telemetry from GO-32 in KISS mode, and later on, I would also like to operate the AO51 BBS. I tried two ways. In both there is something missing... I hope someone will be able to give me some advise...: Way #1. With SatPC32. SatPC32 provides good tracking capabilities. I get automatic receiving frequency control via CAT, including Doppler compensation, and I get automatic antenas control via the LVBTracker. However, I am missing a software to capture the KISS information in a file, and will also need to work with the PACSAT protocol for the BBS. Way #2. With WISP. I succeeded to get the antennas rotor control working by WISP, but so far I could not learn how to control the transceiver frequencies, and also to automaitcally switch from receive to transmit for sending packets and requests to the satellite. I have an ICOM IC910H and a Kantronic 9612Plus TNC. My PC is a laptop with only USB ports..., no RS232. I am using USB to RS232 converters, but I don't think i can access hardware pins of the DB25 after the converters, for the T/R control. Thanks 73, Shamai 4Z1WS ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] AO-51
In case anyone at all is interested - which doesn't appear to be the case - the QRP pair on AO-51 remains active at 145.880 up and 435.150 (+/- Doppler) down. From here, it's a shame to hear the chaos on the other V/U frequency pair, but not have a single station respond to calls on the QRP pair during a 54-degree pass up the east coast of North America. This has proven to be the case on multiple passes this week. Maybe someone will show up later tonight or in the morning. Or ... I'll keep talking to myself hihi. 73 to all, Tim - N3TL ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] ANS-277 AMSAT Weekly Bulletins
AMSAT NEWS SERVICE ANS-277 ANS is a free, weekly, news and information service of AMSAT North America, The Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation. ANS reports on the activities of a worldwide group of Amateur Radio operators who share an active interest in designing, building, launching and communicating through analog and digital Amateur Radio satellites. Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to: ans-edi...@amsat.org ** * 2009 AMSAT Space Symposium and Annual General Meeting October 9-11 * * Four Points Sheraton Hotel at the Baltimore Washington Airport * * Details - http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/symposium/2009/index.php * ** In this edition: * AMSAT Symposium is quickly approaching * California Satellite Demo/Presentation Schedule * AO-51 configuration to support Scouting JOTA * European Space Weather Week 16-20 November * FM sats from Antartica for VK and ZL * Satellite Shorts From All Over * ARISS Status - 28 September 2009 SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-277.01 AMSAT Symposium is quickly approaching AMSAT News Service Bulletin 277.01 From AMSAT HQ SILVER SPRING, MD. October 4, 2009 To All RADIO AMATEURS BID: $ANS-277.01 This is a reminder that the AMSAT Symposium is quickly approaching. It takes place next weekend (9-11 OCT) at the BWI Sheraton and you're invited! This Symposium marks the 40th Anniversary of AMSAT and we'll be celebrating this significant milestone along with looking forward to the next 40 years. AMSAT members who are registered for the Symposium are invited to a 'birthday party' for AMSAT Friday evening (including a birthday cake). In addition, Symposium attendees will also receive a 40th Anniversary History of AMSAT written/edited by Bill Tynan, W3XO in their registration packets. Many of us don't know the 'story of AMSAT', and thanks to the work of Bill Tynan, Dick Daniels, Keith Baker and others, we've focused this year on telling AMSAT's story through their articles in the AMSAT Journal. Bill's new book provides significantly more detail as well as brings the reader right up to the current year. It makes for fun reading and gives recognition to the significant achievements over the past 40 years! This year's AMSAT Proceedings has a wide assortment of papers and this year's presentations will be both interesting and informative. Dan Schultz, N8FGV is finalizing the Proceedings as this is written and attendees will be in position to hear the presentations, discuss the papers with the authors, and gain some insight into the future direction of AMSAT's satellite program. The Saturday evening Banquet will feature Martin Collins, a curator at the Smithsonian Air Space Museum. The title of his talk is Making the Space Age: The First Fifty Years. A reminder that that the AMSAT BOD meeting takes place Thursday, 8 OCT and Friday morning, 9 OCT. This is an open meeting, though the BOD does go into closed session briefly on Friday morning. In addition the AMSAT Annual Meeting takes place Saturday afternoon 1530-1700 EDT. We expect to have the Annual Meeting 'online' via Echolink. I anticipate that both the Symposium and the Annual Meeting will be an opportunity to highlight some of the significant accomplishments that have taken place over the last 12 months plus give some perspective on the future direction of AMSAT. Please consider joining us to celebrate a significant milestone for AMSAT and build the foundation for the next 40 years! You may register online at the AMSAT Store: http://www.amsat-na.com/store2/SymposiumReg2009.php 73, Barry A. Baines, WD4ASW President-AMSAT [ANS thanks Barry, WD4ASW, for the above information] /EX SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-277.02 California Satellite Demo/Presentation Schedule AMSAT News Service Bulletin 277.02 From AMSAT HQ SILVER SPRING, MD. October 4, 2009 To All RADIO AMATEURS BID: $ANS-277.02 Clint Bradford, K6LCS, will be making presentations and demonstrations on amateur satellites at the following meetings around California: October 2 - Long Beach ARC* October 5 - WARA (Fullerton) meeting* October 8 - EchoLink via SCARS Node 96140 5:30PM PDT October 15 - West Coast ARC (Huntington Beach)* October 17 - Victor Valley ARCs JOTA* November 5 - Crest REACT (Corona)* November 8 - QWCA Chapter 7 (Norwalk) The (*) asterisks indicate tentative workable passes for either before or during the presentations! [ANS thanks Clint, K6LCS, for the above information] /EX SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-277.03 AO-51 configuration to support Scouting JOTA AMSAT News Service Bulletin 277.03 From AMSAT HQ SILVER SPRING, MD. October 4, 2009 To All RADIO AMATEURS BID: $ANS-277.03 AMSAT-NA is supporting the 52nd Jamboree on the Air (JOTA) Scouting event by dedicating AO-51 operation to the event. For October 17th and 18th, the AO-51 QRP repeater will be allocated for JOTA use. All users are requested to
[amsat-bb] FW: OFF grid solar system
Hi again, Nigel Gunn did a mercilous, malicious, propoganda hatchet job on my solar energy posting of this morning so I thought I would repost it to restore the original meaning if anyone wanted to know. When I write, I try to write carefully to convey my meaning. Unfortunately, creative trimming of my words changed the meaning so here it is again. If someone replies, please include the original in its original form and entirety so as not to confuse those I am trying to help. To you nigel, apparently, there are still tories and patriots here in America. We could use you in Afghanistan and if you go, please send home a young man who is still friendly. pat original message follows.. --- Original Message --- From: Thomas McGrane[mailto:n2...@aceweb.com] Sent: 10/2/2009 10:39:56 PM To : amsat-bb@amsat.org Cc : Subject : FW: OFF grid solar system The grid is vulnerable as a system. We have to stop always thinking about being connected to or relying on the utility grid. Think in terms of building an independant 12 volt DC system (low voltage) for the average dwelling to operate independant of the grid by charging batteries from solar or wind and utilizing the energy real time or later from the batteries. It seems everyone has visions of large expensive rooftop systems but starting small and building up over time will reduce the utility bill by substitution. We need to be energy independant on a small scale as well as looking at the big picture. Small systems can easily run lights, TV’s, radios, even a small refridgerator for essentials. You would still need the grid power for large loads like heat, large refridgerators, etc but you can have a seperate system to rely on if you suffer some calamity. With the advent of the “smart” grid, you dont want to be connected to the grid. Remember, the wires are antennas as well as conducting electricity. We owe our reliance on a large electrical system to Nickolai Tesla who developed high voltage alternating current power systems that won out over Thomas Edisons Direct Current system around the turn of the last century. The idea was to minmize power loss over long distances. Therefore we should all promote local or household Low voltage DC solar or wind systems to reduce the use of grid power and for much better reliability. Through the years I have built a very economical system comprised of several solar panels with a capacity of about 130 watts that automatically charge 6 large deep cycle and regular batteries from which I operate some radios , lights and in the event of loss of utility power, a small refridgerator. I also have a couple of cheap store bought DC to AC inverters if I need to operate an AC device, Solar panels have come down in price dramatically and production capabity is expanding, so start now. Think independant and start small instead of suffering mega system price hesitance. A world of 12 volt dc devices are available from hardware, marine, automotive and internet sources. You just have to start. Be the first on your block to confuse the lineman who show up during a power failure. I did. I posted the above text on the new york times Green Inc energy blog back on september 23, 2009 as a comment to an article regarding solar power in africa. The internal discharge in a deep cycle battery is only about 50 milliamps which I consider insignificant. I dont want to be connected to the grid which I consider STUPID and you dont either. Dont follow, think for yourselves. Think about this. brain waves operate up to about 20 cycles per second, imagine what 60 cycles is doing to you and the world. Pat ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] PDA tracking software
I have used SatME on my T-Mobile Dash and it works quite well. I like runnung tracking software n my cellphone because you always have very accurate time from the cell network. This program is a Java midlet, so your cellhone or PDA needs to be able to run Java. You can find the program at: http://www.k0sm.com/_mgxroot/page_10732.html Howie AB2S ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FW: OFF grid solar system
Dear Pat... There is no reason to requote your entire thought process...you have done it 3 times...you are at the point of becoming obnoxious. I find that it is more effective to restate original opinions in different words so that others may better understand what I am trying to say. If people don't understand you, you should try to address their concerns, not just repeat the same tome. You, yourself stated that you try to write carefully to convey my meaning but trying is not always successful the first time. Address the issues , not the personalities. Roger WA1KAT - Original Message - From: Thomas McGrane n2...@aceweb.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 10:18 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] FW: OFF grid solar system Hi again, Nigel Gunn did a mercilous, malicious, propoganda hatchet job on my solar energy posting of this morning so I thought I would repost it to restore the original meaning if anyone wanted to know. When I write, I try to write carefully to convey my meaning. Unfortunately, creative trimming of my words changed the meaning so here it is again. If someone replies, please include the original in its original form and entirety so as not to confuse those I am trying to help. To you nigel, apparently, there are still tories and patriots here in America. We could use you in Afghanistan and if you go, please send home a young man who is still friendly. pat ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Latest Keps - Newest Birds
Looking for The last several new ones .. Especially BEESAT .. Thanks .. Has Sumba been commissioned yet? Randy - N2CUA .. Slowly getting SAT PC32 to work for me .. Had my first AO-07 contact today .. :) -Original Message- From: Randy [mailto:rswa...@twcny.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 11:04 PM To: 'amsat-bb@amsat.org' Subject: Latest Keps - Newest Birds Can someone email them to me? Thanks.. Randy - N2CUA ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
