Re: [Amsn-devel] amsn-svn don't log users' DP ?
ashamed, i feel.sry :)On 5/16/06, Vivia Nikolaidou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should have asked on the forum, and if it's not there, we can reply.Anyway: disable Chameleon pluginOn Tue, 16 May 2006, Max wrote: Hi, I'am using amsn svn, freshly updated from 10 minutes ago and it looks like amsn is not loggin anymore the users' DP... when i go on the contact proprieties and then on the User DP tab, i only see the user current's DP, even if he just changed it a few secs ago right in front of me. Is that normal behavior, does the new patch is not working yet? ps: i might be in the wrong place... i didn't felt like using the SF bug tracker (i lost my password and i kinda don't really like SF.net for its slowness) or the forum as i didn't found any appropriate section (i don't think the bug is linux specific) for bug report. tell me if i'm wrong and sorry for that by advance ;) -- Maxime VERZIER (aka Elias) [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.billets-orientes.com | www.verzier.info---Where is the life that we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom that we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge that we have lost in information?OEO;---Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easierDownload IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___Amsn-devel mailing listAmsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel-- Maxime VERZIER [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.billets-orientes.com | www.verzier.info
Re: [Amsn-devel] webcam is not released after using it
i'm using pwc and i confirm that there is a problem but it only appeared recently... the bug was not present before (i would say like 2 to 3 weeks ago). If you guys tells me how to use previous versions of amsn with svn (is that even possible?), i could tell you exactly when this bug arrived in amsn's code. On 5/28/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in the forums, many people reported the issue, but I don't know if theywere all using pwc...if the change is indeed caused by the change of getimage to nextframecall, then it might be because there was an mmap or a buffer allocated that was never freed...we should check the return value of close () (assuming it returns an errorin case it doesn't close), or look inside pwc's close method to see ifthere is a reason why the close would fail, maybe we should do a free_buffers() before the close because users say that the open/closeworks fine with other softwares (gnomemeeting, and cam softs)KaKaRoToOn Sun, 28 May 2006 07:30:36 -0400, Vivia Nikolaidou [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Always works perfectly with ov511, tested thousands of times on my side. Another person with spca5xx also confirmed that webcam is released correctly. So let's just assume it's a pwc bug? :) On 5/28/06, Harry Vennik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About 'webcam not released': I can confirm this is true, and have already searched through the code for the reason why this happens. It *might* be related to the change from getimage() to nextframe(), but I am not at all sure. Because all necessary calls seem to be done correctly, which is approved by the fact that we have not had this complaint often yet (so apparently things work well with other webcam drivers), I think it is a pwc driver bug (not the first one eh...). I proofed that there is actually done a close() on the device: vid-open: trying: v4l2... v4l2: open v4l2: init v4l2: device info: pwc 10.0.11 / Logitech QuickCam Pro 4000 @ usb-:00:10.2-2 v4l2: close vid-open: ok: v4l2 vid-open: flags: 2 v4l2: open ng_dev_open: opened Logitech QuickCam Pro 4000 [refcount 1] v4l2: new capture params (320x240, YU12, 115200 byte) convert-in : 320x240 12 bit YUV 4:2:0 (planar) convert-out: 320x240 24 bit TrueColor (BE: rgb) v4l2: buf 0: video-cap 0x0+460800, used 115200 v4l2: buf 1: video-cap 0x71000+460800, used 115200 v4l2: start ts=1148814415628311000 v4l2: buf 0: video-cap 0x0+115200, used 115200 v4l2: buf 1: video-cap 0x71000+115200, used 115200 v4l2: close ng_dev_close: closed Logitech QuickCam Pro 4000 [refcount 0] v4l2: fini The line of code printing 'v4l2: close' is right before the actual close() in the code. Op zondag 28 mei 2006 11:54, schreef Sander Hoentjen: corellian if I stop sending my webcam (using pwc driver), aMSN still reads or uses /dev/v4l/video0 corellian until I reset aMSN corellian that means, I only can send webcam one time, then I have to reset aMSN to send to another person, or send again to the same person. corellian that's the 'lsof' output, when I'm not sending webcam, but I've used it: corellian wish29227 corellianmem CHR 81,0 44270654 /dev/v4l/video0 corellian wish29227 corellian mem REG 3,873472 845256 /home/corellian/amsn/utils/linux/capture/libng/plugins/drv0-v4l2.so corellian wish29227 corellianmem REG3,844960 845259 /home/corellian/amsn/utils/linux/capture/libng/plugins/drv1- v4l.so corellian wish29227 corellianmem REG3,885852 845236 /home/corellian/amsn/utils/webcamsn/webcamsn.so * march1980 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) corellian and, when I send and receive, sometimes says that's rejected, but that's not rejected/cancelled! corellian well I hope any devel will read this :S ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel--KaKaRoTo___ Amsn-devel mailing listAmsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel -- Maxime VERZIER (www.billets-orientes.com / www.verzier.info) ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] aMSN2 and Telepathy
i just love how you do kkrt, when you don't know something you first hate it and then consider it :)IMHO :- python's indentation is strange but force devs to code with the same style- it would be pointless to move from an interpreted language to another interpreted language (maybe python's case is specific here, because of the .pyc files but i'm shure other interpreted language offers this feature) - i don't feel like i want to download java's jre to use amsn- if you switch from tcl to whatever you like, drop tk to : most people have it installed because they are using amsn (but that would also mean to forget about skinks, tuff decision) my 2 cents...-- Maxime VERZIER (www.billets-orientes.com / www.verzier.info) ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] XML2GUI (was: aMSN2 and Telepathy)
I don't really know if it worth the look but the xml files glade2 generates (.glade) could be a start for the xml's format rules of xml2gui...On 6/8/06, NoWhereMan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message -From: Harry Vennik [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Mailing list for developers and everyone helping AMSN amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.netSent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:49 PMSubject: Re: [Amsn-devel] XML2GUI (was: aMSN2 and Telepathy)[...] Also I looked at some not Tcl-related implementations, but they're simply not the way I'd like it. In fact, XUL gets most close on syntax, Glade gets close in implementation/API. I am trying to make a nice crossing between the two, as well as adding some of my own ideas. If it will work the way I think of now, the code needed to do this won't be so much. Most will be done using existing libraries (e.g. GLib, Gtk, libxml).Sounds cool :) I'm looking forward it :)___Amsn-devel mailing listAmsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel-- Maxime VERZIER (www.billets-orientes.com / www.verzier.info) ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] ML still working ?
I see at least one thing missing (imho) in the TODO-list and it is a bug fix for the pwc webcam's drivers. It was working perfectly before but it stopped working after 6511 (i checked). (i'am talking about the not released webcam). On 6/11/06, Vivia Nikolaidou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 11 Jun 2006, Youness Alaoui wrote: On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 00:06:12 -0400, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes ? no ? YES. SO WHERE THE FUCK IS EVERYBODY :@I just woke up. Good morning!Seriously, we have an empty TODO-list, so this can explain all theinactivity. How about RC1 now? ___Amsn-devel mailing listAmsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel-- Maxime VERZIER (www.billets-orientes.com / www.verzier.info) ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] ML still working ?
Well, i think phil already started fixing it... He made me do some stuff with the webcam and give him the output but he ran out of time and i haven't seen him since on irc.Here is the webcam debug output when i open the v4l1 channel of my pwc webcam in the amsn prefs :
http://verzier.info/pub/amsn-pwc-v4l1-output(strange thing is that is talks about v4l2 whereas i clicked v4l... Phil was looking embarassed but as he left right after that, i don't know what i might need.)
So phil or anyone else, whenever you got the time, just ask me on irc and i would be more then pleased to be the cobaye to solve that problem.On 6/11/06,
Vivia Nikolaidou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006, Max wrote: I see at least one thing missing (imho) in the TODO-list and it is a bug fix for the pwc webcam's drivers. It was working perfectly before but it stopped working after 6511 (i checked). (i'am talking about the not
released webcam).Thanx!! :)(BTW, bugfixes can be made between 2 RC releases)Here's the diff - hope you (or someone else) can find a fix for that:--- utils/linux/capture/capture.c (revision 6510)
+++ utils/linux/capture/capture.c (revision 6511)@@ -480,6 +480,8 @@ captureItem-rgb_buffer = ng_malloc_video_buf(captureItem-dev,captureItem-fmt); }+captureItem-
dev.v-startvideo(captureItem-dev.handle, 25, 1);+ Tcl_SetObjResult(interp,Tcl_NewStringObj(captureItem-captureName,-1)); return TCL_OK;@@ -506,6 +508,8 @@ return TCL_ERROR;
}+capItem-dev.v-stopvideo(capItem-handle);+ // If a converter was used, close it and release the rgb_buffer if (capItem-handle) { ng_process_fini(capItem-handle);
@@ -607,7 +611,7 @@ // - High resolution // - Low resolution for (dim_idx = resolution;;) {-if ((capItem-image_data =capItem-dev.v-getimage(capItem-dev.handle)) == NULL) {
+if ((capItem-image_data =capItem-dev.v-nextframe(capItem-dev.handle)) == NULL) { # ifdef DEBUG fprintf(stderr,Capturing image failed at %d, %d\n, fmt.width,fmt.height
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Re: [Amsn-devel] flash on the website (forum)
I've also been surprised when I first saw it... And thoses flash textbox can't save the password. Maybe it would be nice to allow the user to use the SubSilver default theme (keep the current theme as default but simply offer a choice)On 6/16/06, Sander Hoentjen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi,rantI recently found out we use flash on the forum. Why is that, it seems like a strange thing to do for an open source program.. (I foundout because I recently bought a new computer, and there is no flashplugin from Macromedia for x86_64 so I decided to do without flash.Everything works on the forums, but I don't understand the need to have flash for two simple text boxes and a login button/rantSander___Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel-- Maxime VERZIER ( www.billets-orientes.com / www.verzier.info) ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] flash on the website (forum)
Administration Générale Configuration Annuler le thème de l'utilisateur : non With that, the user can choose any theme he wants between the installed themes... On 6/16/06, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This flash text box has been put by Lee Olson and nobody modified that...To save your login information you can have your bookmark pointing tohttp://amsn.sourceforge.net/forums/login.php about letting users have the subsilver default theme, I am not sure it'spossible I must see...PhilLe Friday 16 June 2006 14:16, Max a écrit: I've also been surprised when I first saw it... And thoses flash textbox can't save the password. Maybe it would be nice to allow the user to use the SubSilver default theme (keep the current theme as default but simply offer a choice) On 6/16/06, Sander Hoentjen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, rantI recently found out we use flash on the forum. Why is that, it seems like a strange thing to do for an open source program.. (I found out because I recently bought a new computer, and there is no flash plugin from Macromedia for x86_64 so I decided to do without flash. Everything works on the forums, but I don't understand the need to have flash for two simple text boxes and a login button/rant Sander___Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel-- Maxime VERZIER ( www.billets-orientes.com / www.verzier.info) ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] flash on the website (forum)
oh yeah, i forgot that SF was requiering its logo to be on every pages... autant pour moi ;)On 6/16/06, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hehe,it's not as simple as you say... I know these options... But... the logo which will appear will be the one ofphpBB and the sflogo isn't present...SubSilver needs some tweaking before being published...PhilLe Friday 16 June 2006 14:58, Max a écrit: Administration Générale Configuration Annuler le thème de l'utilisateur : non With that, the user can choose any theme he wants between the installed themes... On 6/16/06, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This flash text box has been put by Lee Olson and nobody modified that... To save your login information you can have your bookmark pointing to http://amsn.sourceforge.net/forums/login.php about letting users have the subsilver default theme, I am not sure it's possible I must see... Phil Le Friday 16 June 2006 14:16, Max a écrit: I've also been surprised when I first saw it... And thoses flash textbox can't save the password. Maybe it would be nice to allow the user to use the SubSilver default theme(keep the current theme as default but simply offer a choice) On 6/16/06, Sander Hoentjen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi, rantI recently found out we use flash on the forum. Why is that, it seems like a strange thing to do for an open source program.. (Ifound out because I recently bought a new computer, and there is noflash plugin from Macromedia for x86_64 so I decided to do without flash. Everything works on the forums, but I don't understand theneed to have flash for two simple text boxes and a login button/rant Sander ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel___ Amsn-devel mailing listAmsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel -- Maxime VERZIER (www.billets-orientes.com / www.verzier.info) ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] release
On 6/16/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we talked about the 'Event sounds' being removed from menus and we alldecided (iirc) that it's ok and we should do it.. but it seems it wasremoved but never added anywhere else!!! so now, the only way to do it is from the context menu of the tray icon (which I don't have on my other pc)Do I just need glasses ?KKRT--KaKaRoToPreferences Appearance (My events Alerts and Sounds) Play sounds when contact sign in or send message ? -- Maxime VERZIER (www.billets-orientes.com / www.verzier.info) ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] release
Yep but then what is the different between Play sounds when contact sign in or send message and event sounds... The only other event that makes sound i can think of is when an email arrive so it is like 2 differents options for almost the same thing. On 6/16/06, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No,Youness means to disable temporary the sound events...I think you aren't blind : the only place where I found it is in the traydock...PhilLe Friday 16 June 2006 18:42, Max a écrit: On 6/16/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we talked about the 'Event sounds' being removed from menus and we all decided (iirc) that it's ok and we should do it.. but it seems it was removed but never added anywhere else!!! so now, the only way to do it is from the context menu of the tray icon (which I don't have on my other pc) Do I just need glasses ? KKRT-- KaKaRoTo Preferences Appearance (My events Alerts and Sounds) Play sounds when contact sign in or send message ?___Amsn-devel mailing listAmsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel-- Maxime VERZIER ( www.billets-orientes.com / www.verzier.info) ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
[Amsn-devel] set content-type with smtp.tcl
Hey,I'm try to implement html output for the glog pluggin and I'm currently facing my first (loozy) difficulty : i can't set the content-type in the mail header as it is in the disallowedHdrList. So it would requiere to modify smtp.tcl in order to allow us to choose the content-type (setting the content-type to multipart/alternative by default should also work).But i don't know witch smtp.tcl I have to modify and why do we have ~.amsn/plggins/glogs/smtp.tcl along with another amsn/utils/tclsoap1.6.7/smtp.tcl and /usr/lib/mime/smtp.tcl... Which one is used and why do we have three of them and how could i modify it ? (because i already tried to force glog to use ~.amsn/pluggins/glogs/smtp.tcl and to remove content-type from the disallowedHdrList and it makes another error (that I'll post here later, i didn't wrote it down last time). Thx by advance- Maxime VERZIER (www.billets-orientes.com / www.verzier.info) ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] new WIKI
I just would like to comment what i saw on the wiki... haden't time to contribute, my familly meeting turned into a business meeting in which i was both involved and interested (i now i got a new job :p) so i didn't had time to contribute : - we should use the category feature of mediawiki. To put an article in a category, simply add [[Category:Name]] at the end of the page.- we shouldn't make distro specific instructions : for example the how to remove tcl/tk with debian shoud be, imho, remove tcl/tk packages and distro specific links (internal or external) on how to use package management. We have to keep the wiki universal. If we go too much in specific details, we are going to miss some of the users (not every one is using debian and we cannot explain how to use apt-get/pacman/emerge/uprmi/yast/rpm and so on...)my 2 cents ! -- Maxime VERZIER (www.billets-orientes.com / www.verzier.info) ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] AMSN2 - First draft
as i've heard of dropping tk,tkhtml + gtk look = gtkhtmlno?On 7/17/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Oh yeah, I forgot about that in my email yes, this has to be discussed.. I do not want your work to be lost/not used, for sure! but Idon't know how XUL works, how we could integrate both tkhtml and XUL...my idea is to have XUL for all GUI and have tkhtml for the chat window and contact list..What I don't know about tkhtml or html for that instance, is how itworks with GUI elements.. can we add a button and make it have a GTKlook ? how can it integrate naturally in your desktop environment ? Harry, please talk to Tom about this and seek for a solution, as I amfor tkhtml, it will allow us to have CSS styles for the chat window,like kopete has!KKRTOn Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 02:39:45PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, so tk is being dropped, I guess that billiob phil and my work with tkhtml will be used for amsn1 then? Tom On 7/17/06, Harry Vennik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Thanks Youness for explaining the idea. It was absolutely not true that Tcl/Tk would be dropped completely. Much more will be in C than currently in aMSN2, but still most of the logic will be in Tcl, only Tk will be dropped! And the logic will be implemented as a kind of 'core plugins'. (Phil, I must admit, the way I named those is not right, in the document is seems like those will be optional, but that is not what I meant. Needs to change in the next version.) Talking about languages, I will also clarify why I mentioned _javascript_. We will probably need it to implement some basic GUI behavior and to link the XUL-based GUI with the C code behind, but my intend is to keep the use of _javascript_ as minimal as possible, and not use it al all if possible. In any case, no serious piece of logic will be implemented in _javascript_. About glib and C++... I am more of a C++ hater than a glib lover. In my opinion C++ should never have been created. Many people seem to like it, but I don't see why. The way the OO principles are implemented in C++ is not usable for me (I learned about OO with VisualBasic and Java in the first place, then glib is close than C++, even though you need to code every thing yourself in glib, and C++ will do some for you, the principles followed by glib do match those of real OO as in Java better than C++ does). In fact Objective-C is still the best one around, but it is only supported well on Mac, support on Linux is limited, and Objective-C on Windows might not be possible at all. So for that reason it would not be a good choice for us. About my document missing much information... that is completely true. We'll need to develop that document. I put it in the Wiki too, and I will update it there regularly to reflect things discussed here, and once it clearly takes some direction, I will issue a new draft that contains the changes, and maybe new ideas emerging from that. About the Wiki page listing the modules and who will work on it, it is there indeed, but needs change. The final list of modules is different, and people will probably shuffle around a bit. For example I am at 'Telepathy to GUI Layer', but moved to XML2GUI in the meantime, finally dropping most of that in favor of an existing solution, but cannot go back, because there will probably not exactly be any 'Telepathy to GUI Layer'. What we'll probably have: - The GUI in XUL - D-BUS for Tcl - libamsn2_ui - libamsn2_tcl - libmsn - The 'core plugins' that will glue everything together. In the beginning anyone only able to code TCL can stay on aMSN1. They can join aMSN2 later, when some non-TCL parts they will need get near the alpha status. (Don't say this is unfair. aMSN 1.0 needs to get out too, and TCL coding for aMSN2 simply cannot be done in the first stage.) Harry Op maandag 17 juli 2006 01:00, schreef Youness Alaoui: ok... I think we'd better discuss this on IRC, it will be a lot easier.. unfortunately, as I said already many times I can't do much with my PC right now... I think Phil is wrong about glib.. I do understand that OO emulation is not as good as real OO with C++ but problem with C++ is as you know, the libstdc++ ABI changing every couple of weeks... so it's hard to package something... if it's not for that, I would say C++ all the way!!! C is also prefered to C++ because of the linux commuity emotions where everything everywhere is C and we don't want to switch to something else (tell someone to compile a java version of the linux kernel, he'll laugh/spit at you...) about tcl/tk, we didn't say we'll drop it, on the contrary, it will be our base... you need to see amsn2 as a 3 module project the protocol - the logic - the graphics the protocol will be farsight+telepathy+libmsn the graphics will be XML files, XUL, etc... the logic will be Tcl... the logic will take care of saying ohh, the protocol said I have a new
Re: [Amsn-devel] XML2GUI
Sorry for posting to the ML in the devel topic, i don't really know the policy about it... I never heard of any xml2gui solution that was able to manage differents toolkits in the same time but i think you could use libglade for gtk and qt designer ui for qt in order to develop two xml gui for both qt gtk. Then does win32 is requiered, considering that both gtk and qt have been ported to windows ? Major problem with it is that it would imply to maintain two gui xml files in the same time but what you are looking for (one xml2gui library for different toolkits) simply doesn't exist or we never heard of it before (which I doubt). On 7/23/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Humm.. ok, and with all the critics we had so far because of Tk, I thinkit would be better if we choose something that really isgtk/qt/native...You say nothing else does support multiple toolkits.. maybe you just didn't find the product that does it yet... so searching a bit moremight give you the result you're looking for...anyways, the original idea was to write it ourself, so i think if we candefine a specific structure for the XMLs and write our own reader/interpreter.. then we can easily get a Tk toolkit, and then wecould add the gtk, qt, win32, etc.. toolkits...The specs for the XML should do whatever we want to do, but we couldrefer to existing solutions, if we can find an existing xml2gui project, even if it has only one toolkit supported, if all of its xml specs areperfect for us, then we could do as I said before, but using theexisting solution it would save us one implementation...don't forget, this ain't gonna be done overnight, so don't be afraid either by the amount of work needed, we can always go gradually..maybe we'll always have Tk toolkit and support only Tk (I would ratherchoose tile directly than Tk + chameleon), and maybe in many years, add gtk support, but at least, if someone asks for gtk, it won't be WECAN'T DO IT, it will be we can, we just don't feel like doing it rightnow... that's the whole point of the xml2gui project, to not be limited by our implementation...KKRTOn Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 08:29:34PM +0200, Harry Vennik wrote: Op woensdag 19 juli 2006 21:58, schreef Harry Vennik: Yeah if you like XULRunner why not... I don't try to force using of TkHtml but I think (as it was said some months ago) that a multi-GUI soft would be great as you could use XULRunner and we could use TkHtml and with that we don't force user to use GTK or things like that... They can use other things... Phil That is a very nice intention, I even share that intention, but we must have one thing that will render the GUI using any toolkit, and XULRunner is the only one I found that has support for multiple toolkits! Bad news: The multiple toolkit support turns out to be FAKED!!! Still better than nothing, but I think widgets should just be native (for Linux at least GTK, and supporting Qt would be nice too). So I think, based on this new fact, that we should reconsider if XULRunner will really be the right thing, although it is still the best existing solution (nothing else has multiple toolkit support, neither real nor faked). - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net 's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of ITJoin SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share youropinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___Amsn-devel mailing listAmsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel-- Maxime VERZIER ( www.billets-orientes.com / www.verzier.info) - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)
I personally use eclipse along with the pydev pluggin : http://pydev.sourceforge.net/On 8/21/06, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:[...] The default IDE is indeed crap. :-) I personally prefer PyDev ( http://pydev.sourceforge.net/), which is a plugin for Eclipse. It has code completion, refactoring, integrated debugging and lots of other goodies. I looked once to Boa-Constructor and Eric3 for my father... Boa is WxWindowsand Eric3 is QT...But for an good list look athttp://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments PhilPS if you want docs about softwares go to the Python Wiki Regards, Ole André but the language looks promising, apart from the indentation problem, it looks fairly nice. I only wonder if there is any alternatives, or a fork of python which allows for normal, braced syntax... p.s.: old, huge code is not so easy to read imo... KKRT On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 11:57:40PM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote: Yeah, don't worry, I read it already... it's a quite interesting article.. I then looked at a python code I had (the ISF decompressor from Ole)and after installing the python-mode for emacs (haha! no flame war please vi users :P) I found it 'acceptable'.. I still don't like it, and forsure, without a proper editor, it becomes difficult to read/write the code (without syntax highliting it's difficult (for a n00b) to easily see where a proc starts or ends...) but I think it's manageable... if the pros go for python, I'm willing to learn it and start working with it. Any quick info on python ? need for an interpreter ? can it be compiled (native code) ? can it be pre-compiled (bytecode that still needs aninterpreter) ? or only interpreted (like tcl)... only one thing to install or python to install + other stuff ? any easy way to install bindings(like cpan for perl) ? etc... that kind of info would be usefull. thanks, KKRT On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 10:46:20PM -0400, Philippe Khalaf wrote:On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:28:43 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Youness Alaoui) wrote: Make fun of me BASTARD :@ :p j/k Yeah, I know, I'm stubborn and I either 'like it' or not.. and idnentation as part of the syntax.. I don't like.. I do have a small experience with it, with maybe the only other language which considers spaces as being part of the syntax... COBOL :p and I don't like that! Go skim over the article ole gave : http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3882 E.R. had the same impression as you at first but as you see the rest was very positive. Regards,PhilippeKKRT On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 12:05:33PM -0400, Philippe Khalaf wrote: On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 23:30:46 -0400 Madd Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean python cons where you say TCL cons at one point. Having learned python, you get used to the indentation very fast.Iwouldn't list it as a big con.You get very readable code as a resultas well.Its debatable. Actually I put the indentation in there ironically to make fun of Youness. I'll remove it from the wiki. Regards, PhilippeAnother Pro is I can do more than sit on the sidelines and listen tothis mailing list with python.I was about to start writing my ownpython msn client, but I'll help this one instead if that language ispicked. On 8/19/06, Philippe Khalaf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi, I reread all posts about this, and here is what I got : Quick summary of what was said until now. -- TCL PROS in aMSN2 -- - No need for anyone to learn any new language (good bad reason) - If people learn a new language, the intial code will probably be crap (good reason, but it might also bring in new experienced devs to help out) - We *might* be able to reuse code (good reason, but not sure how much code we really can reuse in new design) - cross-platform -- TCL CONS in aMSN2 --- Bindings hell (this might just be a complete project killer btw) - old, outdated, unpopular language (this means it's harderto capture young and bright hackers who are interested in better andmore popular languages) - In aMSN2, the main advantage of using TCL/TK (cross platform, no compilation), is long gone. -- PYTHON PROS in aMSN2 --- new popular and active language (this means many more hackers will probably join the project)- opportunity to expand our skills and learn something new and better - all required bindings are available, maintained and distributed - faster development than TCL or most any other languages-
Re: [Amsn-devel] msn python client (msnp13)
On 10/23/06, Boris Faure (aka billiob) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/23/06, Ole André Vadla Ravnås [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's also pymsn, which has the essential base features as well as an msnp2p stack on top of which currently support for display pictures and custom emoticons are built (webcam and some new features like voice are planned to be started on RSN). It's also got a branch with a soon-to-be-finished MSNP15 implementation (which uses SOAP for authentication and the addressbook). the pymsn project page is at: http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Pymsn pymsn-msnp15's bzr repository is at: http://projects.collabora.co.uk/~oleavr/branches/pymsn-msnp15 And a proof-of-concept client that's about to turn into a full-blown telepathy client: http://projects.collabora.co.uk/~asabil/cocoon.html Ole AndréAnd there's also gadium : http://gadium.googlecode.com/svn/ , but it'snearly dead.cocoon seemed nice. Does it use gecko or gtkhtml on bottom of gtk ? (ican't find the sources as it seems abandonned)--Boris FAURE (aka billiob) mail, msn : [EMAIL PROTECTED]No trees were killed in the sending of this message.However, a large number of electrons were terriblyagitated.- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security?Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easierDownload IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___ Amsn-devel mailing listAmsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel gadium doesn't intent to be an IM client, it's main purpous is to provide some python code in order to make use of the Adium Xtras Message styles (html/JS/CSS themes) using gtkMozEmbed. (gtkhtml doesn't and probably will never support JS). It is actually dead right now but i'm hopping I'll be able to work on it during the christmas break... http://projects.collabora.co.uk/~asabil/cocoon.htmlon the other hand, cocoon have been a little forgotten doring those last week (the author had to work on the proxy feature of pymsn) but they just restarted to work on it and it seems that things'll go fast now. ATM, Cocoon is *only* a pymsn client (but plan is to make it a telepathy client) and currently only uses gtk (with some cairo improvements) but who knows, maybe one day it'll be using gtkMozEmbed with Adium/Kopete compatible message style (with or without gadium). -- Maxime VERZIER (www.billets-orientes.com / www.verzier.info) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
