Re: [android-developers] Any proposed changes to the Android Market?
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Brad Gies rbg...@gmail.com wrote: If your app is in the bottom half of your category... it's effectively not there :). Unless you have 200+ apps and update a set of them every day in a weekly rotation to continuously hog the Just-In list. Then you're ALWAYS there, regardless of how low you're actually rated or ranked. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Any proposed changes to the Android Market?
While Android as a platform and the Market itself offer some brilliant features to genuine app developers who want to produce high quality mobile applications, they also open up the Market to sub-standard apps which obscure other, perhaps more worthwhile ones. Of course the quality and appropriateness of apps are matters of opinion, and I wouldn't want a dictatorial approach, but are there any plans for a moderation of apps on the Market? Do other developers agree that some apps which clearly don't work or are so poor quality they could be deemed a waste of time should be removed, and do they think this (or any other approach) might raise the bar in terms of applications and stimulate Android app downloads? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Any proposed changes to the Android Market?
True. Some apps are just crap. But to do this, Google should setup a team specifically for this purpose, which as far as I know, is not being planned yet in the near future. On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:56 PM, ses stew...@ssims.co.uk wrote: While Android as a platform and the Market itself offer some brilliant features to genuine app developers who want to produce high quality mobile applications, they also open up the Market to sub-standard apps which obscure other, perhaps more worthwhile ones. Of course the quality and appropriateness of apps are matters of opinion, and I wouldn't want a dictatorial approach, but are there any plans for a moderation of apps on the Market? Do other developers agree that some apps which clearly don't work or are so poor quality they could be deemed a waste of time should be removed, and do they think this (or any other approach) might raise the bar in terms of applications and stimulate Android app downloads? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Kumar Bibek http://techdroid.kbeanie.com http://www.kbeanie.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Any proposed changes to the Android Market?
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:26 AM, ses stew...@ssims.co.uk wrote: are there any plans for a moderation of apps on the Market? Don't count on it. Do other developers agree that some apps which clearly don't work or are so poor quality they could be deemed a waste of time should be removed, and do they think this (or any other approach) might raise the bar in terms of applications and stimulate Android app downloads? Wholeheartedly. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Kumar Bibek coomar@gmail.com wrote: But to do this, Google should setup a team specifically for this purpose, which as far as I know, is not being planned yet in the near future. There's no need a for a dedicated team. Why not let the community deal with it? All they have to do is program the Market to automatically eject any apps that are deemed to be garbage by the community. This would be a factor of low rating and being flagged as inappropriate. Get a low enough rating and enough flags and you're voted off the island. If you want back in you have to contact Google Customer Support. In other words, you'd never be allowed back. The mass of spam would be quickly eliminated and it would cost Google nothing more than the initial setup. The day I no longer see crapps from M Star LLC or Michael Quach will be a joyous day indeed. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Any proposed changes to the Android Market?
There's no need a for a dedicated team. Why not let the community deal with it? All they have to do is program the Market to automatically eject any apps that are deemed to be garbage by the community. Yep, but this might not be a fool proof method. Say, a competitor dev can easily go and mark a new entrant as spam, and leave negative comments. 15-20 such comments and spam flags would obviously be a disadvantage for the new app. On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:15 AM, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:26 AM, ses stew...@ssims.co.uk wrote: are there any plans for a moderation of apps on the Market? Don't count on it. Do other developers agree that some apps which clearly don't work or are so poor quality they could be deemed a waste of time should be removed, and do they think this (or any other approach) might raise the bar in terms of applications and stimulate Android app downloads? Wholeheartedly. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Kumar Bibek coomar@gmail.com wrote: But to do this, Google should setup a team specifically for this purpose, which as far as I know, is not being planned yet in the near future. There's no need a for a dedicated team. Why not let the community deal with it? All they have to do is program the Market to automatically eject any apps that are deemed to be garbage by the community. This would be a factor of low rating and being flagged as inappropriate. Get a low enough rating and enough flags and you're voted off the island. If you want back in you have to contact Google Customer Support. In other words, you'd never be allowed back. The mass of spam would be quickly eliminated and it would cost Google nothing more than the initial setup. The day I no longer see crapps from M Star LLC or Michael Quach will be a joyous day indeed. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Kumar Bibek http://techdroid.kbeanie.com http://www.kbeanie.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Any proposed changes to the Android Market?
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Kumar Bibek coomar@gmail.com wrote: Yep, but this might not be a fool proof method. Say, a competitor dev can easily go and mark a new entrant as spam, and leave negative comments. 15-20 such comments and spam flags would obviously be a disadvantage for the new app. Of course, but in my mind it would take a considerable amount of votes to get one ejected - certainly more than 15-20, which still would require a dedicated effort by either a lot of individual competitors or a single company instructing their employees to use such tactics, which one would hope is the exception, not the norm. And of course there would be other criteria. For example, if one developer has 200+ apps, with an average rating of 2 stars and each app has been flagged as spam at least 100 unique times over the course of time, it's fair to assume they're worthless spammers. I'm sure some clever Google Engineer could come up with a fairly reliable algorithm for Market spam detection. A 20% time project, perhaps? - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Any proposed changes to the Android Market?
Agree, but before removing such an app, Google should atleast intimate the dev the reason, else, it won't be fair for the developer. And for this, someone will definitely have to checkout the app in person, before taking it down. Also, if Google wishes to include such a condition in Terms and Conditions, say for example, if you app has 2000 downloads with avg rating of 1.5 stars, your app will be automatically removed, I am not sure, if all the devs would like this. On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:33 AM, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Kumar Bibek coomar@gmail.com wrote: Yep, but this might not be a fool proof method. Say, a competitor dev can easily go and mark a new entrant as spam, and leave negative comments. 15-20 such comments and spam flags would obviously be a disadvantage for the new app. Of course, but in my mind it would take a considerable amount of votes to get one ejected - certainly more than 15-20, which still would require a dedicated effort by either a lot of individual competitors or a single company instructing their employees to use such tactics, which one would hope is the exception, not the norm. And of course there would be other criteria. For example, if one developer has 200+ apps, with an average rating of 2 stars and each app has been flagged as spam at least 100 unique times over the course of time, it's fair to assume they're worthless spammers. I'm sure some clever Google Engineer could come up with a fairly reliable algorithm for Market spam detection. A 20% time project, perhaps? - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Kumar Bibek http://techdroid.kbeanie.com http://www.kbeanie.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Any proposed changes to the Android Market?
Rereading the OP, I think I veered a little OT (again). ses is talking about moderating quality (which is much more difficult and I don't think needs to be done or should be) while I'm specifically talking moderating the spam (which automatically implies poor quality). On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Kumar Bibek coomar@gmail.com wrote: Agree, but before removing such an app, Google should atleast intimate the dev the reason, else, it won't be fair for the developer. And for this, someone will definitely have to checkout the app in person, before taking it down. Google wouldn't have to do anything unless the developer challenged the eviction. That's why I said you'd have to contact Google Support to get re-listed. I'd love to see a spammer take the time to go through that hassle and try to defend their actions. Also, if Google wishes to include such a condition in Terms and Conditions, say for example, if you app has 2000 downloads with avg rating of 1.5 stars, your app will be automatically removed, I am not sure, if all the devs would like this. Honestly, the only devs that wouldn't like this are the ones that are causing the problem to begin with. Any self-respecting developer with a half-decent app can stay above 3 stars. And even if an app is utter crap, I'm saying it would still have to be flagged as spam A LOT before being pulled. Crap apps that don't spam or fake updates to get in the Just In list don't bother anyone. It's the dicks that flood the market with updates every day to get the just-in bump that need to be forcibly and permanently removed. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Any proposed changes to the Android Market?
The market does this by default already They only have roughly 22 categories, and there are 70,000 apps... which means roughly 3,000 apps per category, and they only show 800... If your app is in the bottom half of your category... it's effectively not there :). Not to say the Market works well at all but in this case it's filtering out the worst of the worst by default :). But, as long as the Market is the only game in town, it's probably not possible for Google to filter it because they are effectively a monopoly and not allowing any app would be a PR nightmare. Apple doesn't really have the same problem because they are not even trying to claim any kind of openness. Sincerely, Brad Gies --- Bistro Bot - Bistro Blurb http://bgies.com http://bistroblurb.com http://ihottonight.com http://forcethetruth.com --- Everything in moderation, including abstinence Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed. It is the only thing that ever has - Margaret Mead On 06/10/2010 1:08 PM, Kumar Bibek wrote: Agree, but before removing such an app, Google should atleast intimate the dev the reason, else, it won't be fair for the developer. And for this, someone will definitely have to checkout the app in person, before taking it down. Also, if Google wishes to include such a condition in Terms and Conditions, say for example, if you app has 2000 downloads with avg rating of 1.5 stars, your app will be automatically removed, I am not sure, if all the devs would like this. On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:33 AM, TreKing treking...@gmail.com mailto:treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Kumar Bibek coomar@gmail.com mailto:coomar@gmail.com wrote: Yep, but this might not be a fool proof method. Say, a competitor dev can easily go and mark a new entrant as spam, and leave negative comments. 15-20 such comments and spam flags would obviously be a disadvantage for the new app. Of course, but in my mind it would take a considerable amount of votes to get one ejected - certainly more than 15-20, which still would require a dedicated effort by either a lot of individual competitors or a single company instructing their employees to use such tactics, which one would hope is the exception, not the norm. And of course there would be other criteria. For example, if one developer has 200+ apps, with an average rating of 2 stars and each app has been flagged as spam at least 100 unique times over the course of time, it's fair to assume they're worthless spammers. I'm sure some clever Google Engineer could come up with a fairly reliable algorithm for Market spam detection. A 20% time project, perhaps? - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com mailto:android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:android-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Kumar Bibek http://techdroid.kbeanie.com http://www.kbeanie.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
