Re: [android-developers] Is it legal to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use?
That's sounds like a good idea, Tim But I've retrieved the install URL with tokens, but it didn't work, is that right? On Sunday, October 28, 2012 6:28:24 AM UTC+9, strazzere wrote: Correct, you basically just need to request the proper auth tokens, then simulate the protocol being used the by Play store / web site. Tim Strazzere On Friday, October 26, 2012 7:41:54 PM UTC-7, Kevin TeslaCoil Apps wrote: I would guess that they simulate a user clicking INSTALL from the web based Play Store. I believe this would be technically doable if they either had the user login or had the users Google password. Then the Play Store takes care of pushing the app to the device and installing it in the background. There would still be the notification icon showing it has been installed and hopefully users are weary of typing their Google password into apps. It's likely that such a setup would violate one or more Play Store policies, but I do not know. I think App Brain did something along these lines at some point? -Kevin On Friday, October 26, 2012 4:54:28 AM UTC-5, alex kyo wrote: Thanks, Mark One thing I can definitely confirm is that they are not device manufacturer. Suppose there is a google account(*ga*) which contains several apps. My guess is that they might register a stock device with the *ga* by AccountManager and then call the sync api (I don't know exactly what api will be here) Finally, after the device performed sync process, log out programmatically the apps will be remained and it looks like silent install. On Friday, October 26, 2012 4:00:24 PM UTC+9, Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) wrote: On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Kristopher Micinski krismi...@gmail.com wrote: Or their company is actually TMobile... Oh, true. A device manufacturer can do this stuff without a problem. I was assuming that this was an SDK app, since this is a list for developing SDK apps, but that may not have been a valid assumption. -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com | http://github.com/commonsguy http://commonsware.com/blog | http://twitter.com/commonsguy _The Busy Coder's Guide to Android Development_ Version 4.2 Available! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Is it legal to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use?
Thanks Kevin I've used App Brain but it seems nothing to do with simulate a user clicking INSTALL Is there an other way to simulate the click? I am using webview in my app. On Saturday, October 27, 2012 11:41:54 AM UTC+9, Kevin TeslaCoil Apps wrote: I would guess that they simulate a user clicking INSTALL from the web based Play Store. I believe this would be technically doable if they either had the user login or had the users Google password. Then the Play Store takes care of pushing the app to the device and installing it in the background. There would still be the notification icon showing it has been installed and hopefully users are weary of typing their Google password into apps. It's likely that such a setup would violate one or more Play Store policies, but I do not know. I think App Brain did something along these lines at some point? -Kevin On Friday, October 26, 2012 4:54:28 AM UTC-5, alex kyo wrote: Thanks, Mark One thing I can definitely confirm is that they are not device manufacturer. Suppose there is a google account(*ga*) which contains several apps. My guess is that they might register a stock device with the *ga* by AccountManager and then call the sync api (I don't know exactly what api will be here) Finally, after the device performed sync process, log out programmatically the apps will be remained and it looks like silent install. On Friday, October 26, 2012 4:00:24 PM UTC+9, Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) wrote: On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Kristopher Micinski krismi...@gmail.com wrote: Or their company is actually TMobile... Oh, true. A device manufacturer can do this stuff without a problem. I was assuming that this was an SDK app, since this is a list for developing SDK apps, but that may not have been a valid assumption. -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com | http://github.com/commonsguy http://commonsware.com/blog | http://twitter.com/commonsguy _The Busy Coder's Guide to Android Development_ Version 4.2 Available! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Is it legal to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use?
Correct, you basically just need to request the proper auth tokens, then simulate the protocol being used the by Play store / web site. Tim Strazzere On Friday, October 26, 2012 7:41:54 PM UTC-7, Kevin TeslaCoil Apps wrote: I would guess that they simulate a user clicking INSTALL from the web based Play Store. I believe this would be technically doable if they either had the user login or had the users Google password. Then the Play Store takes care of pushing the app to the device and installing it in the background. There would still be the notification icon showing it has been installed and hopefully users are weary of typing their Google password into apps. It's likely that such a setup would violate one or more Play Store policies, but I do not know. I think App Brain did something along these lines at some point? -Kevin On Friday, October 26, 2012 4:54:28 AM UTC-5, alex kyo wrote: Thanks, Mark One thing I can definitely confirm is that they are not device manufacturer. Suppose there is a google account(*ga*) which contains several apps. My guess is that they might register a stock device with the *ga* by AccountManager and then call the sync api (I don't know exactly what api will be here) Finally, after the device performed sync process, log out programmatically the apps will be remained and it looks like silent install. On Friday, October 26, 2012 4:00:24 PM UTC+9, Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) wrote: On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Kristopher Micinski krismi...@gmail.com wrote: Or their company is actually TMobile... Oh, true. A device manufacturer can do this stuff without a problem. I was assuming that this was an SDK app, since this is a list for developing SDK apps, but that may not have been a valid assumption. -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com | http://github.com/commonsguy http://commonsware.com/blog | http://twitter.com/commonsguy _The Busy Coder's Guide to Android Development_ Version 4.2 Available! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Is it legal to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use?
Thanks for your reply*, *Kris My (3rd party)app was built to install apps on STOCK android via google play, What I did was link to Play store by an url like https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fusepowered.google.jawsrevenge , and when user click INSTALL button the installation will begin. I am wondering if there is any way to install the app directly silently On a stock android without pushing a button. I've tried the url request send by the install button, but it doesn't work at all. the rival company, of course, they won't tell us how they can do it. thanks again On Friday, October 26, 2012 3:17:58 AM UTC+9, Kristopher Micinski wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:30 AM, alex kyo kyokan...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Download and install apps from google play without prompt. I know there are only 2 ways to achieve that, sign the 3rd party app with a system signature or root the device. But I think both will cause security trouble and neither will be acceptable to the end user. My question is Is it LEGAL to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use? I was told that our rival company made it recently. And they prepare to release their service next month. I'm not sure what you mean, how and what are they doing, and what do you want to do? Does google have any legal regulation on that? Google certainly doesn't regulate it.. kris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Is it legal to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use?
thanks for your reply, TreKing That's a question for a lawyer if I could afford one. On Friday, October 26, 2012 2:51:03 AM UTC+9, TreKing wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 5:30 AM, alex kyo kyokan...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Is it LEGAL to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use? That's a question for a lawyer. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Is it legal to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use?
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:30 AM, alex kyo kyokanxuj...@gmail.com wrote: I am wondering if there is any way to install the app directly silently On a stock android without pushing a button. Fortunately, no, for obvious security reasons. the rival company, of course, they won't tell us how they can do it. If they are able to do it, they are doing so presumably via some security hole. Be sure to point out if and when they release an app that does this, so we can get that security hole closed. -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com | http://github.com/commonsguy http://commonsware.com/blog | http://twitter.com/commonsguy _The Busy Coder's Guide to Android Development_ Version 4.2 Available! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Is it legal to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use?
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:41 AM, Mark Murphy mmur...@commonsware.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:30 AM, alex kyo kyokanxuj...@gmail.com wrote: I am wondering if there is any way to install the app directly silently On a stock android without pushing a button. Fortunately, no, for obvious security reasons. the rival company, of course, they won't tell us how they can do it. If they are able to do it, they are doing so presumably via some security hole. Be sure to point out if and when they release an app that does this, so we can get that security hole closed. Or their company is actually TMobile... kris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Is it legal to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use?
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Kristopher Micinski krismicin...@gmail.com wrote: Or their company is actually TMobile... Oh, true. A device manufacturer can do this stuff without a problem. I was assuming that this was an SDK app, since this is a list for developing SDK apps, but that may not have been a valid assumption. -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com | http://github.com/commonsguy http://commonsware.com/blog | http://twitter.com/commonsguy _The Busy Coder's Guide to Android Development_ Version 4.2 Available! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Is it legal to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use?
Thanks, Mark One thing I can definitely confirm is that they are not device manufacturer. Suppose there is a google account(*ga*) which contains several apps. My guess is that they might register a stock device with the *ga* by AccountManager and then call the sync api (I don't know exactly what api will be here) Finally, after the device performed sync process, log out programmatically the apps will be remained and it looks like silent install. On Friday, October 26, 2012 4:00:24 PM UTC+9, Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) wrote: On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Kristopher Micinski krismi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Or their company is actually TMobile... Oh, true. A device manufacturer can do this stuff without a problem. I was assuming that this was an SDK app, since this is a list for developing SDK apps, but that may not have been a valid assumption. -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com | http://github.com/commonsguy http://commonsware.com/blog | http://twitter.com/commonsguy _The Busy Coder's Guide to Android Development_ Version 4.2 Available! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Is it legal to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use?
I would guess that they simulate a user clicking INSTALL from the web based Play Store. I believe this would be technically doable if they either had the user login or had the users Google password. Then the Play Store takes care of pushing the app to the device and installing it in the background. There would still be the notification icon showing it has been installed and hopefully users are weary of typing their Google password into apps. It's likely that such a setup would violate one or more Play Store policies, but I do not know. I think App Brain did something along these lines at some point? -Kevin On Friday, October 26, 2012 4:54:28 AM UTC-5, alex kyo wrote: Thanks, Mark One thing I can definitely confirm is that they are not device manufacturer. Suppose there is a google account(*ga*) which contains several apps. My guess is that they might register a stock device with the *ga* by AccountManager and then call the sync api (I don't know exactly what api will be here) Finally, after the device performed sync process, log out programmatically the apps will be remained and it looks like silent install. On Friday, October 26, 2012 4:00:24 PM UTC+9, Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) wrote: On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Kristopher Micinski krismi...@gmail.com wrote: Or their company is actually TMobile... Oh, true. A device manufacturer can do this stuff without a problem. I was assuming that this was an SDK app, since this is a list for developing SDK apps, but that may not have been a valid assumption. -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com | http://github.com/commonsguy http://commonsware.com/blog | http://twitter.com/commonsguy _The Busy Coder's Guide to Android Development_ Version 4.2 Available! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Is it legal to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use?
Download and install apps from google play without prompt. I know there are only 2 ways to achieve that, sign the 3rd party app with a system signature or root the device. But I think both will cause security trouble and neither will be acceptable to the end user. My question is Is it LEGAL to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use? I was told that our rival company made it recently. And they prepare to release their service next month. Does google have any legal regulation on that? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Is it legal to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use?
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 5:30 AM, alex kyo kyokanxuj...@gmail.com wrote: Is it LEGAL to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use? That's a question for a lawyer. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Is it legal to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use?
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:30 AM, alex kyo kyokanxuj...@gmail.com wrote: Download and install apps from google play without prompt. I know there are only 2 ways to achieve that, sign the 3rd party app with a system signature or root the device. But I think both will cause security trouble and neither will be acceptable to the end user. My question is Is it LEGAL to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use? I was told that our rival company made it recently. And they prepare to release their service next month. I'm not sure what you mean, how and what are they doing, and what do you want to do? Does google have any legal regulation on that? Google certainly doesn't regulate it.. kris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
