[android-developers] Re: Android WebView and HTML5

2009-11-02 Thread Joe Bowser
On Oct 29, 7:09 pm, Miguel Paraz mpa...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Oct 30, 1:30 am, Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com wrote:

  Has anyone got the Database going on WebView?  I've gotten it to work
  on the browser itself on the Emulator (using the Stickies example),
  but not in the WebView.  I noticed that Google added
  setDatabaseEnabled and setDatabasePath, but there's no examples or
  source anywhere that's actually using this code.

  I'm guessing that Geolocation in the WebView has similar issues, but I
  haven't tried to use the WebView geolocation as of yet.

 That's not good. I thought thatHTML5was already built in the
 browser, and not a Plugin like the (now deprecated) Gears.

It IS built in, but you still have to turn it on and specify where you
store the Database in Java if you're using WebView.  The problem is
that there's not an example of how to use local SQLite databases with
your app as of yet.  Eclair will have a solution to this, since the
Browser Activity is written using the API, but as of right now it
doesn't seem to work properly.

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[android-developers] Re: Android WebView and HTML5

2009-10-29 Thread Joe Bowser

Hey

Has anyone got the Database going on WebView?  I've gotten it to work
on the browser itself on the Emulator (using the Stickies example),
but not in the WebView.  I noticed that Google added
setDatabaseEnabled and setDatabasePath, but there's no examples or
source anywhere that's actually using this code.

I'm guessing that Geolocation in the WebView has similar issues, but I
haven't tried to use the WebView geolocation as of yet.

On Oct 28, 2:28 am, Miguel Paraz mpa...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 On Oct 9, 6:37 pm, Anton Pirker an...@ignaz.at wrote:

  Hey fellow Androids!

  I am experimenting with Androids WebView[1] and itsHTML5features.
  I have written a little webpage with does the features detection like
  described here:http://diveintohtml5.org/detect.html

  And now I see (I am on a SDK1.6 Emulator) that the LocalStorage, the
  WebWorkers and Offline Web Applications are not supported!

  Does anyone know when these features will be supported? Or does anyone
  know the exact version (or build) of the webkit engine, that is used in
 Android1.6?

  Any hints are greatly appreciated!

 Looks like we have a pleasant surprise inAndroid2.0.
 I triedhttp://diveintohtml5.org/detect.htmlin a WebView, and it does
 the detection.

 However, it seems that the touch UI has some limitations. I tried the
 examples inhttp://htmlfive.appspot.com/and they don't work in the
 touch UI. The video tag doesn't support the sample which is an Ogg
 file - maybe it supports 3GPP only? We'll find out when we see the
 Eclair source.
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[android-developers] Re: Android WebView and HTML5

2009-10-29 Thread Miguel Paraz

On Oct 30, 1:30 am, Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com wrote:
 Has anyone got the Database going on WebView?  I've gotten it to work
 on the browser itself on the Emulator (using the Stickies example),
 but not in the WebView.  I noticed that Google added
 setDatabaseEnabled and setDatabasePath, but there's no examples or
 source anywhere that's actually using this code.

 I'm guessing that Geolocation in the WebView has similar issues, but I
 haven't tried to use the WebView geolocation as of yet.

That's not good. I thought that HTML5 was already built in the
browser, and not a Plugin like the (now deprecated) Gears.

I hope the open source tree for Eclair would be released soon so we
can take a look at the inside.
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[android-developers] Re: Android WebView and HTML5

2009-10-28 Thread Miguel Paraz

Hi,

On Oct 9, 6:37 pm, Anton Pirker an...@ignaz.at wrote:
 Hey fellow Androids!

 I am experimenting with Androids WebView[1] and itsHTML5features.
 I have written a little webpage with does the features detection like
 described here:http://diveintohtml5.org/detect.html

 And now I see (I am on a SDK1.6 Emulator) that the LocalStorage, the
 WebWorkers and Offline Web Applications are not supported!

 Does anyone know when these features will be supported? Or does anyone
 know the exact version (or build) of the webkit engine, that is used in
 Android 1.6?

 Any hints are greatly appreciated!

Looks like we have a pleasant surprise in Android 2.0.
I tried http://diveintohtml5.org/detect.html in a WebView, and it does
the detection.

However, it seems that the touch UI has some limitations. I tried the
examples in http://htmlfive.appspot.com/ and they don't work in the
touch UI. The video tag doesn't support the sample which is an Ogg
file - maybe it supports 3GPP only? We'll find out when we see the
Eclair source.

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[android-developers] Re: Android WebView and HTML5

2009-10-09 Thread Anton Pirker

As a explanation.

I have written an app which displays an WebView that loads my html
page with the features-testing scripts describet here:
http://diveintohtml5.org/detect.html

As a workaround for the missing features i had the idea that i could
write my own WebView with an nightly version of webkit.
Do you think this is a good idea to do? I do not know how big a
compiled version of webkit is and if android has its own optimized
version of webkit.
Has anyone done something similiar?

Thanks,
Anton



On Oct 9, 12:37 pm, Anton Pirker an...@ignaz.at wrote:
 Hey fellow Androids!

 I am experimenting with Androids WebView[1] and its HTML5 features.
 I have written a little webpage with does the features detection like
 described here:http://diveintohtml5.org/detect.html

 And now I see (I am on a SDK1.6 Emulator) that the LocalStorage, the
 WebWorkers and Offline Web Applications are not supported!

 Does anyone know when these features will be supported? Or does anyone
 know the exact version (or build) of the webkit engine, that is used in
 Android 1.6?

 Any hints are greatly appreciated!

 Thanks,
 Anton

 [1]http://developer.android.com/reference/android/webkit/WebView.html
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[android-developers] Re: Android WebView and HTML5

2009-10-09 Thread Mark Murphy

Anton Pirker wrote:
 As a workaround for the missing features i had the idea that i could
 write my own WebView with an nightly version of webkit.
 Do you think this is a good idea to do?

Only if you have a team of ~10 engineers and a substantial budget.

 I do not know how big a
 compiled version of webkit is and if android has its own optimized
 version of webkit.

Android has a number of optimizations for its use of WebKit, not the
least of which is using Skia for the rendering engine.

 And now I see (I am on a SDK1.6 Emulator) that the LocalStorage, the
 WebWorkers and Offline Web Applications are not supported!

LocalStorage might work with the full Browser application with Google
Gears enabled -- I'm a little fuzzy as to whether Gears offers official
HTML5 LocalStorage support.

WebView does not support Gears.

 Does anyone know when these features will be supported?

The Android project is not fond of forward-looking statements like
project plans and timelines. I have to imagine it is relatively high on
their list, since Google as a whole is seriously behind HTML5 (see
Google Wave). However, even then, I imagine that some features (e.g.,
Offline Web Applications) might be a wee bit tricky to add to Android,
so complete HTML5 support may not be easy.

 Or does anyone
 know the exact version (or build) of the webkit engine, that is used in
 Android 1.6?

I am under the impression that there is a way to determine this, as
somebody mentioned a WebKit version in passing at MOTODEV Summit, but I
don't remember what he said the version was nor how to figure it out.
Sorry I don't have any more info on that facet of your question.

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[android-developers] Re: Android WebView and HTML5

2009-10-09 Thread Anton Pirker

Hi Mark!

Thanks for the reply!


Mark Murphy wrote:
 Anton Pirker wrote:
   
 As a workaround for the missing features i had the idea that i could
 write my own WebView with an nightly version of webkit.
 Do you think this is a good idea to do?
 

 Only if you have a team of ~10 engineers and a substantial budget.

   
 I do not know how big a
 compiled version of webkit is and if android has its own optimized
 version of webkit.
 

 Android has a number of optimizations for its use of WebKit, not the
 least of which is using Skia for the rendering engine.
   
Ok, so i skip that idea ;)

   
 And now I see (I am on a SDK1.6 Emulator) that the LocalStorage, the
 WebWorkers and Offline Web Applications are not supported!
   

 LocalStorage might work with the full Browser application with Google
 Gears enabled -- I'm a little fuzzy as to whether Gears offers official
 HTML5 LocalStorage support.

 WebView does not support Gears.

   
It should be possible without gears. The iphones version of webkit does 
in fact support LocalStorage and Offlien Web Applications.

 Does anyone know when these features will be supported?
   

 The Android project is not fond of forward-looking statements like
 project plans and timelines. I have to imagine it is relatively high on
 their list, since Google as a whole is seriously behind HTML5 (see
 Google Wave). However, even then, I imagine that some features (e.g.,
 Offline Web Applications) might be a wee bit tricky to add to Android,
 so complete HTML5 support may not be easy.
   

yes, google never tells stuff about release plans (not even on the 
developer days)
so we are in the dark here...
   
 Or does anyone
 know the exact version (or build) of the webkit engine, that is used in
 Android 1.6?
   

 I am under the impression that there is a way to determine this, as
 somebody mentioned a WebKit version in passing at MOTODEV Summit, but I
 don't remember what he said the version was nor how to figure it out.
 Sorry I don't have any more info on that facet of your question.
   

Thanks for all your comments.


Have a nice day,
Anton





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[android-developers] Re: Android WebView and HTML5

2009-10-09 Thread Miguel Paraz

Hi,
You can see a comparison of the different WebKit implementations here:
http://www.quirksmode.org/webkit.html

On Oct 9, 8:00 pm, Mark Murphy mmur...@commonsware.com wrote:
  And now I see (I am on a SDK1.6 Emulator) that the LocalStorage, the
  WebWorkers and Offline Web Applications are not supported!

 LocalStorage might work with the full Browser application with Google
 Gears enabled -- I'm a little fuzzy as to whether Gears offers official
 HTML5 LocalStorage support.

It's a different API with the same features (practically), thus this
abstraction project:
http://code.google.com/p/webstorageportabilitylayer/

which I believe is what GMail for WebKit uses.

  Or does anyone
  know the exact version (or build) of the webkit engine, that is used in
  Android 1.6?

 I am under the impression that there is a way to determine this, as
 somebody mentioned a WebKit version in passing at MOTODEV Summit, but I
 don't remember what he said the version was nor how to figure it out.
 Sorry I don't have any more info on that facet of your question.

It's in the open source tree, ./external/webkit/configure.ac - right
now it's 1.0.3. See the top part of:
http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/external/webkit.git;a=blob_plain;f=configure.ac;hb=HEAD


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