[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
Just for completeness of the records of this thread, this problem is fixed by installing unzip. Al. On Mar 25, 10:41 am, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote: Tried a checkout and build of the cupcake branch this morning and got; Output: out/host/common/obj/JAVA_LIBRARIES/temp_layoutlib_intermediates/javalib.jar Input : out/target/common/obj/JAVA_LIBRARIES/core_intermediates/classes.jar Input : out/target/common/obj/JAVA_LIBRARIES/framework_intermediates/classes.jar Exception in thread main java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/objectweb/asm/ClassWriter at com.android.tools.layoutlib.create.Main.main(Main.java:45) Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.objectweb.asm.ClassWriter at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:200) at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method) at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:188) at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:306) at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:276) at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:251) at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(ClassLoader.java:319) ... 1 more make: *** [out/host/common/obj/JAVA_LIBRARIES/temp_layoutlib_intermediates/javalib.jar ] Error 1 Al. _ From: android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dianne Hackborn Sent: 25 March 2009 00:46 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK? On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Stoyan Damov stoyan.da...@gmail.com wrote: Android engineers say there's no date for cupcake, 1.5 SDK, etc., yet there is this video of what appears to NOT be an Android 1.1 phone, AND Vodaphone claims it will start selling them this April. You can download the current tree and run cupcake today, and have been able to for a month or two. Just because it is running on some hardware doesn't mean it is finished. I checked in a couple cupcake bug fixes today, so I can assure you that it is not yet done. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
There is a pending fix here: https://review.source.android.com/Gerrit#change,9452 Note that the build system is a bit buggy and will not re-generate system.img if you integrate this (even though it copies the proper file to out/.../system/etc/vold.conf). One way to force it is: touch system/core/init/init.c m On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 4:00 AM, Eric Chen jude...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Cupcake today build version seems has same sdcard mount problem Best Regards Eric Chen On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Anonymous Anonymous firewallbr...@googlemail.com wrote: Sorry i coundt find mmcblk0 but i can see mtdblock0 mtdblock1 and mtdblock2 *and btw this will not help much :( as i need it inside application to browse data Thanks everyone On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Victor vkrugli...@gmail.com wrote: you may try: 1. adb shell 2. mount -t vfat /dev/block/mmcblk0 /sdcard but Gallery and Camera do not recognize the SD card even it's mounted, but you may brows sd card by adb shell and Eclipse On Mar 26, 9:48 am, Anonymous Anonymous firewallbr...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi JBQ, Thanks for the reply.. i do see mountd.conf in my older version and no mountd.conf or vold.conf in my current working version.. i do have a valid sdcard image.. by any chance can i mount it? On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:16 AM, Jean-Baptiste Queru j...@android.com wrote: Code drops before the one that was done about 2 weeks ago had another mechanism for the management of the SD card (mountd vs vold), so that vold.conf wouldn't be necessary there. JBQ On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous firewallbr...@googlemail.com wrote: For me too the sdcard problem ...The file is missing(vold.conf) :( , but i checked another old sourcebase..where sdcard work.. there also that file missing !! Any clues? Thanks On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:55 PM, David Turner di...@android.com wrote: I fear it's a packaging problem. Is there a file named vold.conf in /system/etc ? I.e. what is the output of adb shell /system/etc/vold.conf If the file is missing, the SDCard cannot be mounted even if it is recognized by the kernel. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Victor vkrugli...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also expirienced some problem with a today build of cupcake I just download a cupcake branch of source code and build it. I configured Eclipse for a new SDK, and appear the things is works great, EXCEPT emulator. 1. I configured a new AVD as parameter i pointed my old sdcard.img then loaded and do not see my sdcard 2. then I back and configure another AVD with a parameter to create a new sdcard.img, when the emulator loaded I still not seen sdcard in emulator. 3. then I try to something like: emulator -avd myavd -sdcard mysdcard.img and there is still no sd card. How can I restore my sd card in emulator. -- Jean-Baptiste M. JBQ Queru Android Engineer, Google. Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further warning. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
Hi Cupcake today build version seems has same sdcard mount problem Best Regards Eric Chen On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Anonymous Anonymous firewallbr...@googlemail.com wrote: Sorry i coundt find mmcblk0 but i can see mtdblock0 mtdblock1 and mtdblock2 *and btw this will not help much :( as i need it inside application to browse data Thanks everyone On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Victor vkrugli...@gmail.com wrote: you may try: 1. adb shell 2. mount -t vfat /dev/block/mmcblk0 /sdcard but Gallery and Camera do not recognize the SD card even it's mounted, but you may brows sd card by adb shell and Eclipse On Mar 26, 9:48 am, Anonymous Anonymous firewallbr...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi JBQ, Thanks for the reply.. i do see mountd.conf in my older version and no mountd.conf or vold.conf in my current working version.. i do have a valid sdcard image.. by any chance can i mount it? On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:16 AM, Jean-Baptiste Queru j...@android.com wrote: Code drops before the one that was done about 2 weeks ago had another mechanism for the management of the SD card (mountd vs vold), so that vold.conf wouldn't be necessary there. JBQ On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous firewallbr...@googlemail.com wrote: For me too the sdcard problem ...The file is missing(vold.conf) :( , but i checked another old sourcebase..where sdcard work.. there also that file missing !! Any clues? Thanks On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:55 PM, David Turner di...@android.com wrote: I fear it's a packaging problem. Is there a file named vold.conf in /system/etc ? I.e. what is the output of adb shell /system/etc/vold.conf If the file is missing, the SDCard cannot be mounted even if it is recognized by the kernel. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Victor vkrugli...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also expirienced some problem with a today build of cupcake I just download a cupcake branch of source code and build it. I configured Eclipse for a new SDK, and appear the things is works great, EXCEPT emulator. 1. I configured a new AVD as parameter i pointed my old sdcard.img then loaded and do not see my sdcard 2. then I back and configure another AVD with a parameter to create a new sdcard.img, when the emulator loaded I still not seen sdcard in emulator. 3. then I try to something like: emulator -avd myavd -sdcard mysdcard.img and there is still no sd card. How can I restore my sd card in emulator. -- Jean-Baptiste M. JBQ Queru Android Engineer, Google. Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further warning. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
Tried a checkout and build of the cupcake branch this morning and got; Output: out/host/common/obj/JAVA_LIBRARIES/temp_layoutlib_intermediates/javalib.jar Input : out/target/common/obj/JAVA_LIBRARIES/core_intermediates/classes.jar Input : out/target/common/obj/JAVA_LIBRARIES/framework_intermediates/classes.jar Exception in thread main java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/objectweb/asm/ClassWriter at com.android.tools.layoutlib.create.Main.main(Main.java:45) Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.objectweb.asm.ClassWriter at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:200) at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method) at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:188) at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:306) at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:276) at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:251) at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(ClassLoader.java:319) ... 1 more make: *** [out/host/common/obj/JAVA_LIBRARIES/temp_layoutlib_intermediates/javalib.jar ] Error 1 Al. _ From: android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dianne Hackborn Sent: 25 March 2009 00:46 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK? On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Stoyan Damov stoyan.da...@gmail.com wrote: Android engineers say there's no date for cupcake, 1.5 SDK, etc., yet there is this video of what appears to NOT be an Android 1.1 phone, AND Vodaphone claims it will start selling them this April. You can download the current tree and run cupcake today, and have been able to for a month or two. Just because it is running on some hardware doesn't mean it is finished. I checked in a couple cupcake bug fixes today, so I can assure you that it is not yet done. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
I alslo got similar situation. Follow this cupcake/development/tools/eclipse/README_WINDOWS.txt. I already build a SDK for Linux and Windows environment. And ADT 0.9.0 for Eclipse. But I got one trouble. Under Windows environment ( I do not try this in linux yet). I start the Eclipse and create one project. Editor compilans one problem: R.java cannot find. It's OK to me. I comment this line: setContentView(R.layout.main). And I try to build this simple project and debug this application. Then I got this message [2009-03-25 19:16:45 - cake2] Could not find cake2.apk! I found only *.class created, no .jar or .apk files. It seems build project cannot work properly. What am I missing? Any point I have to check ? --- XC He a...@tw --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
I think this is the thread you guys are looking for when trying to build cupcake: http://groups.google.com/group/android-platform/browse_thread/thread/775582c99fa2980f?hl=en On Mar 25, 12:21 pm, a...@tw schosnab...@gmail.com wrote: I alslo got similar situation. Follow this cupcake/development/tools/eclipse/README_WINDOWS.txt. I already build a SDK for Linux and Windows environment. And ADT 0.9.0 for Eclipse. But I got one trouble. Under Windows environment ( I do not try this in linux yet). I start the Eclipse and create one project. Editor compilans one problem: R.java cannot find. It's OK to me. I comment this line: setContentView(R.layout.main). And I try to build this simple project and debug this application. Then I got this message [2009-03-25 19:16:45 - cake2] Could not find cake2.apk! I found only *.class created, no .jar or .apk files. It seems build project cannot work properly. What am I missing? Any point I have to check ? --- XC He a...@tw --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
I'm also expirienced some problem with a today build of cupcake I just download a cupcake branch of source code and build it. I configured Eclipse for a new SDK, and appear the things is works great, EXCEPT emulator. 1. I configured a new AVD as parameter i pointed my old sdcard.img then loaded and do not see my sdcard 2. then I back and configure another AVD with a parameter to create a new sdcard.img, when the emulator loaded I still not seen sdcard in emulator. 3. then I try to something like: emulator -avd myavd -sdcard mysdcard.img and there is still no sd card. How can I restore my sd card in emulator. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
I fear it's a packaging problem. Is there a file named vold.conf in /system/etc ?I.e. what is the output of adb shell /system/etc/vold.conf If the file is missing, the SDCard cannot be mounted even if it is recognized by the kernel. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Victor vkrugli...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also expirienced some problem with a today build of cupcake I just download a cupcake branch of source code and build it. I configured Eclipse for a new SDK, and appear the things is works great, EXCEPT emulator. 1. I configured a new AVD as parameter i pointed my old sdcard.img then loaded and do not see my sdcard 2. then I back and configure another AVD with a parameter to create a new sdcard.img, when the emulator loaded I still not seen sdcard in emulator. 3. then I try to something like: emulator -avd myavd -sdcard mysdcard.img and there is still no sd card. How can I restore my sd card in emulator. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
For me too the sdcard problem ...The file is missing(vold.conf) :( , but i checked another old sourcebase..where sdcard work.. there also that file missing !! Any clues? Thanks On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:55 PM, David Turner di...@android.com wrote: I fear it's a packaging problem. Is there a file named vold.conf in /system/etc ?I.e. what is the output of adb shell /system/etc/vold.conf If the file is missing, the SDCard cannot be mounted even if it is recognized by the kernel. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Victor vkrugli...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also expirienced some problem with a today build of cupcake I just download a cupcake branch of source code and build it. I configured Eclipse for a new SDK, and appear the things is works great, EXCEPT emulator. 1. I configured a new AVD as parameter i pointed my old sdcard.img then loaded and do not see my sdcard 2. then I back and configure another AVD with a parameter to create a new sdcard.img, when the emulator loaded I still not seen sdcard in emulator. 3. then I try to something like: emulator -avd myavd -sdcard mysdcard.img and there is still no sd card. How can I restore my sd card in emulator. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
Code drops before the one that was done about 2 weeks ago had another mechanism for the management of the SD card (mountd vs vold), so that vold.conf wouldn't be necessary there. JBQ On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous firewallbr...@googlemail.com wrote: For me too the sdcard problem ...The file is missing(vold.conf) :( , but i checked another old sourcebase..where sdcard work.. there also that file missing !! Any clues? Thanks On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:55 PM, David Turner di...@android.com wrote: I fear it's a packaging problem. Is there a file named vold.conf in /system/etc ? I.e. what is the output of adb shell /system/etc/vold.conf If the file is missing, the SDCard cannot be mounted even if it is recognized by the kernel. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Victor vkrugli...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also expirienced some problem with a today build of cupcake I just download a cupcake branch of source code and build it. I configured Eclipse for a new SDK, and appear the things is works great, EXCEPT emulator. 1. I configured a new AVD as parameter i pointed my old sdcard.img then loaded and do not see my sdcard 2. then I back and configure another AVD with a parameter to create a new sdcard.img, when the emulator loaded I still not seen sdcard in emulator. 3. then I try to something like: emulator -avd myavd -sdcard mysdcard.img and there is still no sd card. How can I restore my sd card in emulator. -- Jean-Baptiste M. JBQ Queru Android Engineer, Google. Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further warning. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
the vold.conf thing is a new feature of Cupcake so it's normal that this is not available in previous builds. vold is the name of the new mount daemon (the old one was named mountd I believe) that adds support for encrypted partition and other stuff, though most of this is currently disabled. The file not being there means there is a bug in the build, and vold will not mount the SDCard without it. I'll see what we can do about it. On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:27 AM, Anonymous Anonymous firewallbr...@googlemail.com wrote: For me too the sdcard problem ...The file is missing(vold.conf) :( , but i checked another old sourcebase..where sdcard work.. there also that file missing !! Any clues? Thanks On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:55 PM, David Turner di...@android.com wrote: I fear it's a packaging problem. Is there a file named vold.conf in /system/etc ?I.e. what is the output of adb shell /system/etc/vold.conf If the file is missing, the SDCard cannot be mounted even if it is recognized by the kernel. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Victor vkrugli...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also expirienced some problem with a today build of cupcake I just download a cupcake branch of source code and build it. I configured Eclipse for a new SDK, and appear the things is works great, EXCEPT emulator. 1. I configured a new AVD as parameter i pointed my old sdcard.img then loaded and do not see my sdcard 2. then I back and configure another AVD with a parameter to create a new sdcard.img, when the emulator loaded I still not seen sdcard in emulator. 3. then I try to something like: emulator -avd myavd -sdcard mysdcard.img and there is still no sd card. How can I restore my sd card in emulator. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
Hi JBQ, Thanks for the reply.. i do see mountd.conf in my older version and no mountd.conf or vold.conf in my current working version.. i do have a valid sdcard image.. by any chance can i mount it? On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:16 AM, Jean-Baptiste Queru j...@android.comwrote: Code drops before the one that was done about 2 weeks ago had another mechanism for the management of the SD card (mountd vs vold), so that vold.conf wouldn't be necessary there. JBQ On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous firewallbr...@googlemail.com wrote: For me too the sdcard problem ...The file is missing(vold.conf) :( , but i checked another old sourcebase..where sdcard work.. there also that file missing !! Any clues? Thanks On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:55 PM, David Turner di...@android.com wrote: I fear it's a packaging problem. Is there a file named vold.conf in /system/etc ? I.e. what is the output of adb shell /system/etc/vold.conf If the file is missing, the SDCard cannot be mounted even if it is recognized by the kernel. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Victor vkrugli...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also expirienced some problem with a today build of cupcake I just download a cupcake branch of source code and build it. I configured Eclipse for a new SDK, and appear the things is works great, EXCEPT emulator. 1. I configured a new AVD as parameter i pointed my old sdcard.img then loaded and do not see my sdcard 2. then I back and configure another AVD with a parameter to create a new sdcard.img, when the emulator loaded I still not seen sdcard in emulator. 3. then I try to something like: emulator -avd myavd -sdcard mysdcard.img and there is still no sd card. How can I restore my sd card in emulator. -- Jean-Baptiste M. JBQ Queru Android Engineer, Google. Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further warning. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
you may try: 1. adb shell 2. mount -t vfat /dev/block/mmcblk0 /sdcard but Gallery and Camera do not recognize the SD card even it's mounted, but you may brows sd card by adb shell and Eclipse On Mar 26, 9:48 am, Anonymous Anonymous firewallbr...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi JBQ, Thanks for the reply.. i do see mountd.conf in my older version and no mountd.conf or vold.conf in my current working version.. i do have a valid sdcard image.. by any chance can i mount it? On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:16 AM, Jean-Baptiste Queru j...@android.comwrote: Code drops before the one that was done about 2 weeks ago had another mechanism for the management of the SD card (mountd vs vold), so that vold.conf wouldn't be necessary there. JBQ On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous firewallbr...@googlemail.com wrote: For me too the sdcard problem ...The file is missing(vold.conf) :( , but i checked another old sourcebase..where sdcard work.. there also that file missing !! Any clues? Thanks On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:55 PM, David Turner di...@android.com wrote: I fear it's a packaging problem. Is there a file named vold.conf in /system/etc ? I.e. what is the output of adb shell /system/etc/vold.conf If the file is missing, the SDCard cannot be mounted even if it is recognized by the kernel. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Victor vkrugli...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also expirienced some problem with a today build of cupcake I just download a cupcake branch of source code and build it. I configured Eclipse for a new SDK, and appear the things is works great, EXCEPT emulator. 1. I configured a new AVD as parameter i pointed my old sdcard.img then loaded and do not see my sdcard 2. then I back and configure another AVD with a parameter to create a new sdcard.img, when the emulator loaded I still not seen sdcard in emulator. 3. then I try to something like: emulator -avd myavd -sdcard mysdcard.img and there is still no sd card. How can I restore my sd card in emulator. -- Jean-Baptiste M. JBQ Queru Android Engineer, Google. Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further warning. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
Sorry i coundt find mmcblk0 but i can see mtdblock0 mtdblock1 and mtdblock2 *and btw this will not help much :( as i need it inside application to browse data Thanks everyone On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Victor vkrugli...@gmail.com wrote: you may try: 1. adb shell 2. mount -t vfat /dev/block/mmcblk0 /sdcard but Gallery and Camera do not recognize the SD card even it's mounted, but you may brows sd card by adb shell and Eclipse On Mar 26, 9:48 am, Anonymous Anonymous firewallbr...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi JBQ, Thanks for the reply.. i do see mountd.conf in my older version and no mountd.conf or vold.conf in my current working version.. i do have a valid sdcard image.. by any chance can i mount it? On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:16 AM, Jean-Baptiste Queru j...@android.com wrote: Code drops before the one that was done about 2 weeks ago had another mechanism for the management of the SD card (mountd vs vold), so that vold.conf wouldn't be necessary there. JBQ On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous firewallbr...@googlemail.com wrote: For me too the sdcard problem ...The file is missing(vold.conf) :( , but i checked another old sourcebase..where sdcard work.. there also that file missing !! Any clues? Thanks On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:55 PM, David Turner di...@android.com wrote: I fear it's a packaging problem. Is there a file named vold.conf in /system/etc ? I.e. what is the output of adb shell /system/etc/vold.conf If the file is missing, the SDCard cannot be mounted even if it is recognized by the kernel. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Victor vkrugli...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also expirienced some problem with a today build of cupcake I just download a cupcake branch of source code and build it. I configured Eclipse for a new SDK, and appear the things is works great, EXCEPT emulator. 1. I configured a new AVD as parameter i pointed my old sdcard.img then loaded and do not see my sdcard 2. then I back and configure another AVD with a parameter to create a new sdcard.img, when the emulator loaded I still not seen sdcard in emulator. 3. then I try to something like: emulator -avd myavd -sdcard mysdcard.img and there is still no sd card. How can I restore my sd card in emulator. -- Jean-Baptiste M. JBQ Queru Android Engineer, Google. Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further warning. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
I just hope that this time the release date for the official SDK will be BEFORE the update hits the masses. Not like it was with the 1.1SDK - it was released way after 1.1 was released to end-users (the argument from Google was something in the lines of Hey, this is a small release with no mayor changes so don't whine that you get it so late). Maybe I'm the only one who thinks that this is ridiculous.. One of the reasons why we don't have the official 1.5 (or cupcake or however it will be officially called) SDK is that It's not stable enough - fair enough but I really hope that you guys @ Google will release it as soon as the code is stable enough (eg the code is tested and ready to be released to the operators). That would give us a week (maybe more) before the operators push it to the end-users. And don't come with the you can build your own SDK from the opensource tree if you want - the last releases didn't come from the opensource tree so even if I wanted, i couldn't build the SDK based on the code that's shipped to the end-users. And even if this release will actually come from the public tree, you can't expect all app developers to build their own SDK, can you? We need an official SDK - and we need it as soon as the tree is stable enough (and way before it's pushed to the carriers/end-users) Tauno On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:38 AM, AndroidApp zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Not if you stay anonymous (hint, hint) ;-) On Mar 23, 7:58 pm, Anonymous Anonymous firewallbr...@googlemail.com wrote: Someone from Google? makes it official i guess :D On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:47 AM, AndroidApp zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone capable just compile the SDK and post it online for everyone? Someone from Google? I dont really care if it's not official, i just dont want to download the source tree just to build the SDK, plus i need to do the tricks you mentioned to make it work on windows. On Mar 23, 1:11 pm, Marco Nelissen marc...@android.com wrote: I certainly hope there aren't a lot of applications that use reflection and private APIs. On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 6:59 AM, zl25drexel zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Cupcake is coming, and as you know it will break a lot of apps in the market, those that use reflection private api. So where is the Cupcake SDK/emulator for us to try our apps? I know we can download the source codes and build it, and I know apps wont break if they dont use undocumented api, blah blah blah, but we should get an official SDK/emulator for cupcake, dont you think, google? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
tauntz wrote: We need an official SDK - and we need it as soon as the tree is stable enough (and way before it's pushed to the carriers/end-users) Please understand that Android is open source. There is no pushed to the carriers/end users -- hardware manufacturers are welcome to pull from the tree whenever they see fit. -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com Android App Developer Books: http://commonsware.com/books.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
Did you just say that Google is not pushing code/releases to tmo and that tmo pulls the public source at random points in time, adds dream specific bits and releases it to end-users? You do realize that all releases till today have come from a closed source project and not AOSP? (Even if Google doesn't actually push the code/release to tmo, they certainly do tell tmo (and other carriers) when the code in the repo is stable enough so they can pull and release. What I'm asking for, is that at this point in time (eg Google has designated the code as stable enough to release) we get an official SDK - is that too much to ask?) Tauno On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Mark Murphy mmur...@commonsware.com wrote: tauntz wrote: We need an official SDK - and we need it as soon as the tree is stable enough (and way before it's pushed to the carriers/end-users) Please understand that Android is open source. There is no pushed to the carriers/end users -- hardware manufacturers are welcome to pull from the tree whenever they see fit. -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com Android App Developer Books: http://commonsware.com/books.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
tauntz wrote: Did you just say that Google is not pushing code/releases to tmo Of course Google doesn't push code/releases to T-Mobile. T-Mobile is a mobile carrier. and that tmo pulls the public source at random points in time, adds dream specific bits and releases it to end-users? HTC pulls source at whatever time schedule they deem appropriate. HTC engineers are working on the code constantly and can make their own decisions vis a vis their product lines. Neither you nor I, nor possibly Google, is in position to tell HTC what they can or cannot do. Now, if HTC is sensible, they will primarily stick to major releases plus milestone bug fix updates, but that's not something you should be relying upon. You do realize that all releases till today have come from a closed source project and not AOSP? HTC may have access to a private *repository*, but AFAIK, the bits are still open source. Open source is a matter of licensing, not a statement of public collaborative development. (Even if Google doesn't actually push the code/release to tmo, they certainly do tell tmo (and other carriers) when the code in the repo is stable enough so they can pull and release. I certainly would hope so. What I'm asking for, is that at this point in time (eg Google has designated the code as stable enough to release) we get an official SDK - is that too much to ask?) Of course it is. A point in time is infinitesimally short. Assuming you were being loose with your terms, how long would you consider a point in time to be? A second? A minute? An hour? A day? A week? A month? A year? Let us suppose that they tag whatever repository HTC works from for each major release. Once they tag the firmware release -- in effect, designating the code as stable enough to release -- they still need to build, test, fix, package, and release the SDK. That will take some time, even if they have been doing some of that work along the way, because up until now, the firmware has been a moving target, and the apps that ship with the firmware are not built on the SDK. For example, they may not test on Windows routinely due to the hassles involved in building the Windows version of the SDK. Should that take months? No. Might it take weeks? Possibly, depending on what is all involved and how many people are doing the work. Now, the *right* answer is for this to be a true public collaborative development project, so nightly builds of emulator images and corresponding SDKs are available, so we can apply tinderbox and smoke testing sessions and the like. In time, we should be able to cut the time between tagging the final shipping firmware and releasing the corresponding SDK with emulator images to be hours, not weeks. And perhaps it's at that level already, and I just haven't seen it since we haven't had all that many releases yet. But this still does not prevent hardware manufacturers from doing what they want. As evidenced by pre-N wireless routers, hardware manufacturers are not necessarily constrained by what would seem to be common sense to us out here. They'll do what they do. So if a device (e.g., G2) contains bits of cupcake in advance of an official cupcake-based release shipping, that was the manufacturer's decision. -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com _The Busy Coder's Guide to Android Development_ Version 2.0 Available! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Mark Murphy mmur...@commonsware.comwrote: tauntz wrote: Did you just say that Google is not pushing code/releases to tmo Of course Google doesn't push code/releases to T-Mobile. T-Mobile is a mobile carrier. and that tmo pulls the public source at random points in time, adds dream specific bits and releases it to end-users? HTC pulls source at whatever time schedule they deem appropriate. HTC engineers are working on the code constantly and can make their own decisions vis a vis their product lines. Neither you nor I, nor possibly Google, is in position to tell HTC what they can or cannot do. HTC provides the radio images to google engineers. Beyond that, 90+% of the work is done by google. (And before everyone starts jumping up and down claiming android isn't google, take a look at the paychecks... they're signed by google.) Now, if HTC is sensible, they will primarily stick to major releases plus milestone bug fix updates, but that's not something you should be relying upon. That would be those things everyone is asking about. When is the milestone and major release for Android? After someone has already shipped a closed source version off the secret tree? All the its not us crap breaks down when you accept that the changes that become 1.1 (and 1.5 and beyond) go into the open tree AFTER they go to the closed trees, and in many cases after they go to an actual released product... You do realize that all releases till today have come from a closed source project and not AOSP? HTC may have access to a private *repository*, but AFAIK, the bits are still open source. Open source is a matter of licensing, not a statement of public collaborative development. Its not accessible to anyone else, thereby making it closed. Thats the beauty of apache, you can have it both ways if you wish hard enough and wave enough marketing material around. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
1.1 was essentially a update of a few Google-proprietary bits on top of the same platform as 1.0. From the point of view of the Android platform (and therefore of the SDK as well), the differences between 1.0 and 1.1 are extremely minor. Cupcake is a branch name, it's not a released version. A future numbered release will be cut from the cupcake branch, but that product isn't ready yet, and therefore there can be no SDK yet. As cupcake contains significant platform changes compared to 1.0/1.1, you can be sure that you'll have an official SDK for a cupcake-originated release as soon as possible. JBQ On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:16 AM, tauntz tau...@gmail.com wrote: I just hope that this time the release date for the official SDK will be BEFORE the update hits the masses. Not like it was with the 1.1SDK - it was released way after 1.1 was released to end-users (the argument from Google was something in the lines of Hey, this is a small release with no mayor changes so don't whine that you get it so late). Maybe I'm the only one who thinks that this is ridiculous.. One of the reasons why we don't have the official 1.5 (or cupcake or however it will be officially called) SDK is that It's not stable enough - fair enough but I really hope that you guys @ Google will release it as soon as the code is stable enough (eg the code is tested and ready to be released to the operators). That would give us a week (maybe more) before the operators push it to the end-users. And don't come with the you can build your own SDK from the opensource tree if you want - the last releases didn't come from the opensource tree so even if I wanted, i couldn't build the SDK based on the code that's shipped to the end-users. And even if this release will actually come from the public tree, you can't expect all app developers to build their own SDK, can you? We need an official SDK - and we need it as soon as the tree is stable enough (and way before it's pushed to the carriers/end-users) Tauno On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:38 AM, AndroidApp zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Not if you stay anonymous (hint, hint) ;-) On Mar 23, 7:58 pm, Anonymous Anonymous firewallbr...@googlemail.com wrote: Someone from Google? makes it official i guess :D On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:47 AM, AndroidApp zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone capable just compile the SDK and post it online for everyone? Someone from Google? I dont really care if it's not official, i just dont want to download the source tree just to build the SDK, plus i need to do the tricks you mentioned to make it work on windows. On Mar 23, 1:11 pm, Marco Nelissen marc...@android.com wrote: I certainly hope there aren't a lot of applications that use reflection and private APIs. On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 6:59 AM, zl25drexel zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Cupcake is coming, and as you know it will break a lot of apps in the market, those that use reflection private api. So where is the Cupcake SDK/emulator for us to try our apps? I know we can download the source codes and build it, and I know apps wont break if they dont use undocumented api, blah blah blah, but we should get an official SDK/emulator for cupcake, dont you think, google? -- Jean-Baptiste M. JBQ Queru Android Engineer, Google. Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further warning. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
JBQ, Can you pass up the chain that the 'phrase ...you can be sure that you'll have an official SDK for a cupcake-originated release as soon as possible. should be planned to be a point in time (hopefully a couple of weeks) before a carrier releases a device with it on. I'm sure you're aware there's no bigger recipe for pain than when the first people to test applications on a new release of a platform are users who are trying out a new 'phone in a shop. Al. -Original Message- From: android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Baptiste Queru Sent: 24 March 2009 15:39 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK? 1.1 was essentially a update of a few Google-proprietary bits on top of the same platform as 1.0. From the point of view of the Android platform (and therefore of the SDK as well), the differences between 1.0 and 1.1 are extremely minor. Cupcake is a branch name, it's not a released version. A future numbered release will be cut from the cupcake branch, but that product isn't ready yet, and therefore there can be no SDK yet. As cupcake contains significant platform changes compared to 1.0/1.1, you can be sure that you'll have an official SDK for a cupcake-originated release as soon as possible. JBQ On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:16 AM, tauntz tau...@gmail.com wrote: I just hope that this time the release date for the official SDK will be BEFORE the update hits the masses. Not like it was with the 1.1SDK - it was released way after 1.1 was released to end-users (the argument from Google was something in the lines of Hey, this is a small release with no mayor changes so don't whine that you get it so late). Maybe I'm the only one who thinks that this is ridiculous.. One of the reasons why we don't have the official 1.5 (or cupcake or however it will be officially called) SDK is that It's not stable enough - fair enough but I really hope that you guys @ Google will release it as soon as the code is stable enough (eg the code is tested and ready to be released to the operators). That would give us a week (maybe more) before the operators push it to the end-users. And don't come with the you can build your own SDK from the opensource tree if you want - the last releases didn't come from the opensource tree so even if I wanted, i couldn't build the SDK based on the code that's shipped to the end-users. And even if this release will actually come from the public tree, you can't expect all app developers to build their own SDK, can you? We need an official SDK - and we need it as soon as the tree is stable enough (and way before it's pushed to the carriers/end-users) Tauno On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:38 AM, AndroidApp zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Not if you stay anonymous (hint, hint) ;-) On Mar 23, 7:58 pm, Anonymous Anonymous firewallbr...@googlemail.com wrote: Someone from Google? makes it official i guess :D On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:47 AM, AndroidApp zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone capable just compile the SDK and post it online for everyone? Someone from Google? I dont really care if it's not official, i just dont want to download the source tree just to build the SDK, plus i need to do the tricks you mentioned to make it work on windows. On Mar 23, 1:11 pm, Marco Nelissen marc...@android.com wrote: I certainly hope there aren't a lot of applications that use reflection and private APIs. On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 6:59 AM, zl25drexel zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Cupcake is coming, and as you know it will break a lot of apps in the market, those that use reflection private api. So where is the Cupcake SDK/emulator for us to try our apps? I know we can download the source codes and build it, and I know apps wont break if they dont use undocumented api, blah blah blah, but we should get an official SDK/emulator for cupcake, dont you think, google? -- Jean-Baptiste M. JBQ Queru Android Engineer, Google. Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further warning. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
I'm personally involved in the relevant discussions, so you can rest assured that the people who need to know do know already. JBQ On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote: JBQ, Can you pass up the chain that the 'phrase ...you can be sure that you'll have an official SDK for a cupcake-originated release as soon as possible. should be planned to be a point in time (hopefully a couple of weeks) before a carrier releases a device with it on. I'm sure you're aware there's no bigger recipe for pain than when the first people to test applications on a new release of a platform are users who are trying out a new 'phone in a shop. Al. -Original Message- From: android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Baptiste Queru Sent: 24 March 2009 15:39 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK? 1.1 was essentially a update of a few Google-proprietary bits on top of the same platform as 1.0. From the point of view of the Android platform (and therefore of the SDK as well), the differences between 1.0 and 1.1 are extremely minor. Cupcake is a branch name, it's not a released version. A future numbered release will be cut from the cupcake branch, but that product isn't ready yet, and therefore there can be no SDK yet. As cupcake contains significant platform changes compared to 1.0/1.1, you can be sure that you'll have an official SDK for a cupcake-originated release as soon as possible. JBQ On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:16 AM, tauntz tau...@gmail.com wrote: I just hope that this time the release date for the official SDK will be BEFORE the update hits the masses. Not like it was with the 1.1SDK - it was released way after 1.1 was released to end-users (the argument from Google was something in the lines of Hey, this is a small release with no mayor changes so don't whine that you get it so late). Maybe I'm the only one who thinks that this is ridiculous.. One of the reasons why we don't have the official 1.5 (or cupcake or however it will be officially called) SDK is that It's not stable enough - fair enough but I really hope that you guys @ Google will release it as soon as the code is stable enough (eg the code is tested and ready to be released to the operators). That would give us a week (maybe more) before the operators push it to the end-users. And don't come with the you can build your own SDK from the opensource tree if you want - the last releases didn't come from the opensource tree so even if I wanted, i couldn't build the SDK based on the code that's shipped to the end-users. And even if this release will actually come from the public tree, you can't expect all app developers to build their own SDK, can you? We need an official SDK - and we need it as soon as the tree is stable enough (and way before it's pushed to the carriers/end-users) Tauno On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:38 AM, AndroidApp zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Not if you stay anonymous (hint, hint) ;-) On Mar 23, 7:58 pm, Anonymous Anonymous firewallbr...@googlemail.com wrote: Someone from Google? makes it official i guess :D On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:47 AM, AndroidApp zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone capable just compile the SDK and post it online for everyone? Someone from Google? I dont really care if it's not official, i just dont want to download the source tree just to build the SDK, plus i need to do the tricks you mentioned to make it work on windows. On Mar 23, 1:11 pm, Marco Nelissen marc...@android.com wrote: I certainly hope there aren't a lot of applications that use reflection and private APIs. On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 6:59 AM, zl25drexel zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Cupcake is coming, and as you know it will break a lot of apps in the market, those that use reflection private api. So where is the Cupcake SDK/emulator for us to try our apps? I know we can download the source codes and build it, and I know apps wont break if they dont use undocumented api, blah blah blah, but we should get an official SDK/emulator for cupcake, dont you think, google? -- Jean-Baptiste M. JBQ Queru Android Engineer, Google. Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further warning. -- Jean-Baptiste M. JBQ Queru Android Engineer, Google. Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further warning. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
Hmm.. Despite the fact that *this is what we want*, we cannot make a guarantee that the Cupcake SDK will be officially released strictly before the platform is available on retail phones. Properly testing and packaging a SDK takes a lot of time, we *may* encounter blocker bugs that have nothing to do with the software on the phone (e.g. emulator crashes on platform X, ADB doesn't see emulator/devices on platform Y, etc..). While we test the SDK frequently during development, doing the necessary job to ensure that it's not going to break on the machines of all people who download it from the official repository takes some time. And then, the web site needs to be updated, especially the documentation needs to reflect the new features / fixes / etc... But apart from that, I don't see a reason why *this* SDK would lag behind, and as I said, we want it to be released ASAP. On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote: JBQ, Can you pass up the chain that the 'phrase ...you can be sure that you'll have an official SDK for a cupcake-originated release as soon as possible. should be planned to be a point in time (hopefully a couple of weeks) before a carrier releases a device with it on. I'm sure you're aware there's no bigger recipe for pain than when the first people to test applications on a new release of a platform are users who are trying out a new 'phone in a shop. Al. -Original Message- From: android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Baptiste Queru Sent: 24 March 2009 15:39 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK? 1.1 was essentially a update of a few Google-proprietary bits on top of the same platform as 1.0. From the point of view of the Android platform (and therefore of the SDK as well), the differences between 1.0 and 1.1 are extremely minor. Cupcake is a branch name, it's not a released version. A future numbered release will be cut from the cupcake branch, but that product isn't ready yet, and therefore there can be no SDK yet. As cupcake contains significant platform changes compared to 1.0/1.1, you can be sure that you'll have an official SDK for a cupcake-originated release as soon as possible. JBQ On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:16 AM, tauntz tau...@gmail.com wrote: I just hope that this time the release date for the official SDK will be BEFORE the update hits the masses. Not like it was with the 1.1SDK - it was released way after 1.1 was released to end-users (the argument from Google was something in the lines of Hey, this is a small release with no mayor changes so don't whine that you get it so late). Maybe I'm the only one who thinks that this is ridiculous.. One of the reasons why we don't have the official 1.5 (or cupcake or however it will be officially called) SDK is that It's not stable enough - fair enough but I really hope that you guys @ Google will release it as soon as the code is stable enough (eg the code is tested and ready to be released to the operators). That would give us a week (maybe more) before the operators push it to the end-users. And don't come with the you can build your own SDK from the opensource tree if you want - the last releases didn't come from the opensource tree so even if I wanted, i couldn't build the SDK based on the code that's shipped to the end-users. And even if this release will actually come from the public tree, you can't expect all app developers to build their own SDK, can you? We need an official SDK - and we need it as soon as the tree is stable enough (and way before it's pushed to the carriers/end-users) Tauno On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:38 AM, AndroidApp zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Not if you stay anonymous (hint, hint) ;-) On Mar 23, 7:58 pm, Anonymous Anonymous firewallbr...@googlemail.com wrote: Someone from Google? makes it official i guess :D On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:47 AM, AndroidApp zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone capable just compile the SDK and post it online for everyone? Someone from Google? I dont really care if it's not official, i just dont want to download the source tree just to build the SDK, plus i need to do the tricks you mentioned to make it work on windows. On Mar 23, 1:11 pm, Marco Nelissen marc...@android.com wrote: I certainly hope there aren't a lot of applications that use reflection and private APIs. On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 6:59 AM, zl25drexel zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Cupcake is coming, and as you know it will break a lot of apps in the market, those that use reflection private api. So where is the Cupcake SDK/emulator for us to try our apps? I know we can download the source codes and build it, and I know apps wont break if they dont use
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
Totally agree, Apple just release their 3.0 SDK beta for who has purchased iPhone Developer Program. The final version comes in June, so iphone developer has 3 months to familiar the new OS and let their applications get all the new features. I hope all of us, who are interested in Android, and who wish to make fantastic application in Android platform could get a little bit more official information before every final release. On 24 mar, 09:16, tauntz tau...@gmail.com wrote: I just hope that this time the release date for the official SDK will be BEFORE the update hits the masses. Not like it was with the 1.1SDK - it was released way after 1.1 was released to end-users (the argument from Google was something in the lines of Hey, this is a small release with no mayor changes so don't whine that you get it so late). Maybe I'm the only one who thinks that this is ridiculous.. One of the reasons why we don't have the official 1.5 (or cupcake or however it will be officially called) SDK is that It's not stable enough - fair enough but I really hope that you guys @ Google will release it as soon as the code is stable enough (eg the code is tested and ready to be released to the operators). That would give us a week (maybe more) before the operators push it to the end-users. And don't come with the you can build your own SDK from the opensource tree if you want - the last releases didn't come from the opensource tree so even if I wanted, i couldn't build the SDK based on the code that's shipped to the end-users. And even if this release will actually come from the public tree, you can't expect all app developers to build their own SDK, can you? We need an official SDK - and we need it as soon as the tree is stable enough (and way before it's pushed to the carriers/end-users) Tauno On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:38 AM, AndroidApp zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Not if you stay anonymous (hint, hint) ;-) On Mar 23, 7:58 pm, Anonymous Anonymous firewallbr...@googlemail.com wrote: Someone from Google? makes it official i guess :D On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:47 AM, AndroidApp zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone capable just compile the SDK and post it online for everyone? Someone from Google? I dont really care if it's not official, i just dont want to download the source tree just to build the SDK, plus i need to do the tricks you mentioned to make it work on windows. On Mar 23, 1:11 pm, Marco Nelissen marc...@android.com wrote: I certainly hope there aren't a lot of applications that use reflection and private APIs. On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 6:59 AM, zl25drexel zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Cupcake is coming, and as you know it will break a lot of apps in the market, those that use reflection private api. So where is the Cupcake SDK/emulator for us to try our apps? I know we can download the source codes and build it, and I know apps wont break if they dont use undocumented api, blah blah blah, but we should get an official SDK/emulator for cupcake, dont you think, google? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
I'm personally involved in the relevant discussions... That phrase alone gives me some hope... :). Al. -Original Message- From: android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Baptiste Queru Sent: 24 March 2009 15:57 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK? I'm personally involved in the relevant discussions, so you can rest assured that the people who need to know do know already. JBQ On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote: JBQ, Can you pass up the chain that the 'phrase ...you can be sure that you'll have an official SDK for a cupcake-originated release as soon as possible. should be planned to be a point in time (hopefully a couple of weeks) before a carrier releases a device with it on. I'm sure you're aware there's no bigger recipe for pain than when the first people to test applications on a new release of a platform are users who are trying out a new 'phone in a shop. Al. -Original Message- From: android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Baptiste Queru Sent: 24 March 2009 15:39 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK? 1.1 was essentially a update of a few Google-proprietary bits on top of the same platform as 1.0. From the point of view of the Android platform (and therefore of the SDK as well), the differences between 1.0 and 1.1 are extremely minor. Cupcake is a branch name, it's not a released version. A future numbered release will be cut from the cupcake branch, but that product isn't ready yet, and therefore there can be no SDK yet. As cupcake contains significant platform changes compared to 1.0/1.1, you can be sure that you'll have an official SDK for a cupcake-originated release as soon as possible. JBQ On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:16 AM, tauntz tau...@gmail.com wrote: I just hope that this time the release date for the official SDK will be BEFORE the update hits the masses. Not like it was with the 1.1SDK - it was released way after 1.1 was released to end-users (the argument from Google was something in the lines of Hey, this is a small release with no mayor changes so don't whine that you get it so late). Maybe I'm the only one who thinks that this is ridiculous.. One of the reasons why we don't have the official 1.5 (or cupcake or however it will be officially called) SDK is that It's not stable enough - fair enough but I really hope that you guys @ Google will release it as soon as the code is stable enough (eg the code is tested and ready to be released to the operators). That would give us a week (maybe more) before the operators push it to the end-users. And don't come with the you can build your own SDK from the opensource tree if you want - the last releases didn't come from the opensource tree so even if I wanted, i couldn't build the SDK based on the code that's shipped to the end-users. And even if this release will actually come from the public tree, you can't expect all app developers to build their own SDK, can you? We need an official SDK - and we need it as soon as the tree is stable enough (and way before it's pushed to the carriers/end-users) Tauno On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:38 AM, AndroidApp zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Not if you stay anonymous (hint, hint) ;-) On Mar 23, 7:58 pm, Anonymous Anonymous firewallbr...@googlemail.com wrote: Someone from Google? makes it official i guess :D On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:47 AM, AndroidApp zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone capable just compile the SDK and post it online for everyone? Someone from Google? I dont really care if it's not official, i just dont want to download the source tree just to build the SDK, plus i need to do the tricks you mentioned to make it work on windows. On Mar 23, 1:11 pm, Marco Nelissen marc...@android.com wrote: I certainly hope there aren't a lot of applications that use reflection and private APIs. On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 6:59 AM, zl25drexel zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Cupcake is coming, and as you know it will break a lot of apps in the market, those that use reflection private api. So where is the Cupcake SDK/emulator for us to try our apps? I know we can download the source codes and build it, and I know apps wont break if they dont use undocumented api, blah blah blah, but we should get an official SDK/emulator for cupcake, dont you think, google? -- Jean-Baptiste M. JBQ Queru Android Engineer, Google. Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further warning. -- Jean-Baptiste M. JBQ
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
Dave, I understand the effort involved, but the choice for any SDK is really; a) Release the SDK before the devices and let developers test and prepare their apps. b) Allow users to start buying a device which may not properly run the applications available from Market. This is a no-brainer and in order to not appear like a piece of half-thought out technology the answer has to be a. Apple understand this. Microsoft understand this. Symbian understand this. RIM understand this. This is why they all have developer programmes which give previews of upcoming OS releases and features. To ignore this fact is like signing a death warrant on the general publics perception of Android. I know that you're going to make every effort to make sure it does happen, but from a users point of view being told well we did try just doesn't cut the mustard. Being told they may encounter problems using applications from Googles market running on a Google branded phone downloaded directly on the 'phone is just going to look really poor. After all who wouldn't be mad if they bought a Ford car which turned up with an Ford accessories catalogue, bought some stuff from the accessories catalogue, waited for it to arrive, tried to fit it, find out it doesn't work, 'phone up Ford, only to be told Oh yeah, we left it in the catalogue, but the accessory manufacturer had no way of testing if it worked because we couldn't do that for them (although given Google Support Desk the user will probably just get told It's an app problem, it's the developers fault). This is one of the few occasions where I think a marketing persons view could be of use. Al. _ From: android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Turner Sent: 24 March 2009 16:01 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK? Hmm.. Despite the fact that this is what we want, we cannot make a guarantee that the Cupcake SDK will be officially released strictly before the platform is available on retail phones. Properly testing and packaging a SDK takes a lot of time, we may encounter blocker bugs that have nothing to do with the software on the phone (e.g. emulator crashes on platform X, ADB doesn't see emulator/devices on platform Y, etc..). While we test the SDK frequently during development, doing the necessary job to ensure that it's not going to break on the machines of all people who download it from the official repository takes some time. And then, the web site needs to be updated, especially the documentation needs to reflect the new features / fixes / etc... But apart from that, I don't see a reason why this SDK would lag behind, and as I said, we want it to be released ASAP. On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote: JBQ, Can you pass up the chain that the 'phrase ...you can be sure that you'll have an official SDK for a cupcake-originated release as soon as possible. should be planned to be a point in time (hopefully a couple of weeks) before a carrier releases a device with it on. I'm sure you're aware there's no bigger recipe for pain than when the first people to test applications on a new release of a platform are users who are trying out a new 'phone in a shop. Al. -Original Message- From: android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Baptiste Queru Sent: 24 March 2009 15:39 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK? 1.1 was essentially a update of a few Google-proprietary bits on top of the same platform as 1.0. From the point of view of the Android platform (and therefore of the SDK as well), the differences between 1.0 and 1.1 are extremely minor. Cupcake is a branch name, it's not a released version. A future numbered release will be cut from the cupcake branch, but that product isn't ready yet, and therefore there can be no SDK yet. As cupcake contains significant platform changes compared to 1.0/1.1, you can be sure that you'll have an official SDK for a cupcake-originated release as soon as possible. JBQ On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:16 AM, tauntz tau...@gmail.com wrote: I just hope that this time the release date for the official SDK will be BEFORE the update hits the masses. Not like it was with the 1.1SDK - it was released way after 1.1 was released to end-users (the argument from Google was something in the lines of Hey, this is a small release with no mayor changes so don't whine that you get it so late). Maybe I'm the only one who thinks that this is ridiculous.. One of the reasons why we don't have the official 1.5 (or cupcake or however it will be officially called) SDK is that It's not stable enough - fair enough but I really hope that you guys @ Google will release it as soon as the code is stable enough
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
Completely agree, This is one of the main issues I see in the platform. I can understand when they say that different devices can run different versions/revisions of the OS but that's only causing a fragmentation of the platform which won't be any good for both users and developers. I can already see the Market in the future to be like **Tested on G1-G2-Omnia** OR having applications released for some phones only if the Market gives that option in the future. The ability to have an early access to the next SDK is specifically so we can properly test applications before users. I'm pretty sure that if they release the SDK as late as they did last time, with a major upgrade like the one coming from the cupcake branch will break a lot of apps from the market. I'm pretty sure I don't know enough about the entire project to say this but I still see this a little unorganized (or rushed). Ivan Soto Fernandez Web Developer http://ivansotof.com On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote: Dave, I understand the effort involved, but the choice for any SDK is really; a) Release the SDK before the devices and let developers test and prepare their apps. b) Allow users to start buying a device which may not properly run the applications available from Market. This is a no-brainer and in order to not appear like a piece of half-thought out technology the answer has to be a. Apple understand this. Microsoft understand this. Symbian understand this. RIM understand this. This is why they all have developer programmes which give previews of upcoming OS releases and features. To ignore this fact is like signing a death warrant on the general publics perception of Android. I know that you're going to make every effort to make sure it does happen, but from a users point of view being told well we did try just doesn't cut the mustard. Being told they may encounter problems using applications from Googles market running on a Google branded phone downloaded directly on the 'phone is just going to look really poor. After all who wouldn't be mad if they bought a Ford car which turned up with an Ford accessories catalogue, bought some stuff from the accessories catalogue, waited for it to arrive, tried to fit it, find out it doesn't work, 'phone up Ford, only to be told Oh yeah, we left it in the catalogue, but the accessory manufacturer had no way of testing if it worked because we couldn't do that for them (although given Google Support Desk the user will probably just get told It's an app problem, it's the developers fault). This is one of the few occasions where I think a marketing persons view could be of use. Al. -- *From:* android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto: android-develop...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *David Turner *Sent:* 24 March 2009 16:01 *To:* android-developers@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK? Hmm.. Despite the fact that *this is what we want*, we cannot make a guarantee that the Cupcake SDK will be officially released strictly before the platform is available on retail phones. Properly testing and packaging a SDK takes a lot of time, we *may*encounter blocker bugs that have nothing to do with the software on the phone (e.g. emulator crashes on platform X, ADB doesn't see emulator/devices on platform Y, etc..). While we test the SDK frequently during development, doing the necessary job to ensure that it's not going to break on the machines of all people who download it from the official repository takes some time. And then, the web site needs to be updated, especially the documentation needs to reflect the new features / fixes / etc... But apart from that, I don't see a reason why *this* SDK would lag behind, and as I said, we want it to be released ASAP. On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote: JBQ, Can you pass up the chain that the 'phrase ...you can be sure that you'll have an official SDK for a cupcake-originated release as soon as possible. should be planned to be a point in time (hopefully a couple of weeks) before a carrier releases a device with it on. I'm sure you're aware there's no bigger recipe for pain than when the first people to test applications on a new release of a platform are users who are trying out a new 'phone in a shop. Al. -Original Message- From: android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Baptiste Queru Sent: 24 March 2009 15:39 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK? 1.1 was essentially a update of a few Google-proprietary bits on top of the same platform as 1.0. From the point of view of the Android platform (and therefore of the SDK as well), the differences between 1.0
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
All the SDKs released before 1.0 were no accident you know. So far, only the 1.1 SDK was released after the firmware (and not long after at that.) I don't understand the point of this discussion. We know that the SDK should be released before the bits are placed on actual devices and you know that as well. Since there's been no announcement of Cupcake availability on actual handsets, why all this fuss? On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote: Dave, I understand the effort involved, but the choice for any SDK is really; a) Release the SDK before the devices and let developers test and prepare their apps. b) Allow users to start buying a device which may not properly run the applications available from Market. This is a no-brainer and in order to not appear like a piece of half-thought out technology the answer has to be a. Apple understand this. Microsoft understand this. Symbian understand this. RIM understand this. This is why they all have developer programmes which give previews of upcoming OS releases and features. To ignore this fact is like signing a death warrant on the general publics perception of Android. I know that you're going to make every effort to make sure it does happen, but from a users point of view being told well we did try just doesn't cut the mustard. Being told they may encounter problems using applications from Googles market running on a Google branded phone downloaded directly on the 'phone is just going to look really poor. After all who wouldn't be mad if they bought a Ford car which turned up with an Ford accessories catalogue, bought some stuff from the accessories catalogue, waited for it to arrive, tried to fit it, find out it doesn't work, 'phone up Ford, only to be told Oh yeah, we left it in the catalogue, but the accessory manufacturer had no way of testing if it worked because we couldn't do that for them (although given Google Support Desk the user will probably just get told It's an app problem, it's the developers fault). This is one of the few occasions where I think a marketing persons view could be of use. Al. From: android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Turner Sent: 24 March 2009 16:01 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK? Hmm.. Despite the fact that this is what we want, we cannot make a guarantee that the Cupcake SDK will be officially released strictly before the platform is available on retail phones. Properly testing and packaging a SDK takes a lot of time, we may encounter blocker bugs that have nothing to do with the software on the phone (e.g. emulator crashes on platform X, ADB doesn't see emulator/devices on platform Y, etc..). While we test the SDK frequently during development, doing the necessary job to ensure that it's not going to break on the machines of all people who download it from the official repository takes some time. And then, the web site needs to be updated, especially the documentation needs to reflect the new features / fixes / etc... But apart from that, I don't see a reason why this SDK would lag behind, and as I said, we want it to be released ASAP. On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote: JBQ, Can you pass up the chain that the 'phrase ...you can be sure that you'll have an official SDK for a cupcake-originated release as soon as possible. should be planned to be a point in time (hopefully a couple of weeks) before a carrier releases a device with it on. I'm sure you're aware there's no bigger recipe for pain than when the first people to test applications on a new release of a platform are users who are trying out a new 'phone in a shop. Al. -Original Message- From: android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Baptiste Queru Sent: 24 March 2009 15:39 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK? 1.1 was essentially a update of a few Google-proprietary bits on top of the same platform as 1.0. From the point of view of the Android platform (and therefore of the SDK as well), the differences between 1.0 and 1.1 are extremely minor. Cupcake is a branch name, it's not a released version. A future numbered release will be cut from the cupcake branch, but that product isn't ready yet, and therefore there can be no SDK yet. As cupcake contains significant platform changes compared to 1.0/1.1, you can be sure that you'll have an official SDK for a cupcake-originated release as soon as possible. JBQ On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:16 AM, tauntz tau...@gmail.com wrote: I just hope that this time the release date for the official SDK will be BEFORE the update hits
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
Thats the sort of thing you do with alpha/beta/rc tags. And community
participation.
At some point, someone at google says This is, barring problems, what we
want to be 1.5. Now lets get it fixed. That can continue to happen
privately between google and the carriers, and you keep periodically
throwing releases to the community. This is how proprietary projects run.
(Such as Symbian.)
Or, Google can step up and actually release an open, community framework.
Tags for alpha, beta, rc releases. Limited platform/configuration support in
early stages. Community feedback, patches and bug reports throughout.
Its cheaper, its faster, and you get fewer debacles like the g1 release
patchfest. Even if the problems are deep inside the guru code, and there's
no chance anyone else can fix it, you STILL gain by offloading the rest of
the work. (Go read LKML for a while if you want -lots- of examples of that.
Its not common for someone new to the project to make deep, guru-level fixes
and patches. But it -is- common for newcomers to take care of their own
bugs, make incremental improvements, help others and generally take load off
the older members of the community.)
And to skip ahead in the thread:
{Quote Romainguy}
So far, only the 1.1 SDK was released after the firmware (and not long
after at that.) I don't understand the point of this discussion. We
know that the SDK should be released before the bits are placed on
actual devices and you know that as well. Since there's been no
announcement of Cupcake availability on actual handsets, why all this
fuss?
Because in a -community- project, things such as timelines, release
deadlines, requirements and so forth are public. In a proprietary project,
they are generally private. (Although in the software/mobile space,
generally much less private than Android.) Google bills this as a community
project but treats it as a proprietary one. So all the fuss is because
people went Ooh! A community project! I'll help! and got told to shove off
until it gets released.
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:01 PM, David Turner di...@android.com wrote:
Hmm.. Despite the fact that *this is what we want*, we cannot make a
guarantee that the Cupcake SDK will be officially released strictly before
the platform is available on retail phones.
Properly testing and packaging a SDK takes a lot of time, we *may*encounter
blocker bugs that have nothing to do with the software on the
phone (e.g. emulator crashes on platform X, ADB doesn't see emulator/devices
on platform Y, etc..). While we test the SDK frequently during development,
doing the necessary job to ensure that it's not going to break on the
machines of all people who download it from the official repository takes
some time. And then, the web site needs to be updated, especially the
documentation needs to reflect the new features / fixes / etc...
But apart from that, I don't see a reason why *this* SDK would lag behind,
and as I said, we want it to be released ASAP.
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote:
JBQ,
Can you pass up the chain that the 'phrase
...you can be sure that you'll have an official SDK for a
cupcake-originated release as soon as possible.
should be planned to be a point in time (hopefully a couple of weeks)
before
a carrier releases a device with it on.
I'm sure you're aware there's no bigger recipe for pain than when the
first
people to test applications on a new release of a platform are users who
are
trying out a new 'phone in a shop.
Al.
-Original Message-
From: android-developers@googlegroups.com
[mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Baptiste
Queru
Sent: 24 March 2009 15:39
To: android-developers@googlegroups.com
Subject: [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the
SDK?
1.1 was essentially a update of a few Google-proprietary bits on top of
the
same platform as 1.0.
From the point of view of the Android platform (and therefore of the SDK
as
well), the differences between 1.0 and 1.1 are extremely minor.
Cupcake is a branch name, it's not a released version. A future numbered
release will be cut from the cupcake branch, but that product isn't ready
yet, and therefore there can be no SDK yet.
As cupcake contains significant platform changes compared to 1.0/1.1, you
can be sure that you'll have an official SDK for a cupcake-originated
release as soon as possible.
JBQ
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:16 AM, tauntz tau...@gmail.com wrote:
I just hope that this time the release date for the official SDK will
be BEFORE the update hits the masses. Not like it was with the 1.1SDK
- it was released way after 1.1 was released to end-users (the
argument from Google was something in the lines of Hey, this is a
small release with no mayor changes so don't whine that you get it so
late). Maybe I'm the only one who thinks that this is ridiculous..
One of the reasons why we
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
I think this is true,
can you tell us more than git commit messages tell us ?
do you intend to freeze android at some point, afterwards there will
only be bug fixes ?
do you WANT/do you NEED contributions, or is android open source but
with a proprietary-like development model ?
I have the impression that the community is very active around
android-oriented APPS, but not about android itself, maybe there's
also a problem with this mailing list being filled by requests on the
use of the SDK but not the development of the SDK, maybe there should
be a newsgroup dedicated to the android-dev, while this one seems more
like android-apps-dev.
These are just ideas and questions, not a troll at all.
2009/3/24 Disconnect dc.disconn...@gmail.com:
Thats the sort of thing you do with alpha/beta/rc tags. And community
participation.
At some point, someone at google says This is, barring problems, what we
want to be 1.5. Now lets get it fixed. That can continue to happen
privately between google and the carriers, and you keep periodically
throwing releases to the community. This is how proprietary projects run.
(Such as Symbian.)
Or, Google can step up and actually release an open, community framework.
Tags for alpha, beta, rc releases. Limited platform/configuration support in
early stages. Community feedback, patches and bug reports throughout.
Its cheaper, its faster, and you get fewer debacles like the g1 release
patchfest. Even if the problems are deep inside the guru code, and there's
no chance anyone else can fix it, you STILL gain by offloading the rest of
the work. (Go read LKML for a while if you want -lots- of examples of that.
Its not common for someone new to the project to make deep, guru-level fixes
and patches. But it -is- common for newcomers to take care of their own
bugs, make incremental improvements, help others and generally take load off
the older members of the community.)
And to skip ahead in the thread:
{Quote Romainguy}
So far, only the 1.1 SDK was released after the firmware (and not long
after at that.) I don't understand the point of this discussion. We
know that the SDK should be released before the bits are placed on
actual devices and you know that as well. Since there's been no
announcement of Cupcake availability on actual handsets, why all this
fuss?
Because in a -community- project, things such as timelines, release
deadlines, requirements and so forth are public. In a proprietary project,
they are generally private. (Although in the software/mobile space,
generally much less private than Android.) Google bills this as a community
project but treats it as a proprietary one. So all the fuss is because
people went Ooh! A community project! I'll help! and got told to shove off
until it gets released.
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:01 PM, David Turner di...@android.com wrote:
Hmm.. Despite the fact that this is what we want, we cannot make a
guarantee that the Cupcake SDK will be officially released strictly before
the platform is available on retail phones.
Properly testing and packaging a SDK takes a lot of time, we may encounter
blocker bugs that have nothing to do with the software on the phone (e.g.
emulator crashes on platform X, ADB doesn't see emulator/devices on platform
Y, etc..). While we test the SDK frequently during development, doing the
necessary job to ensure that it's not going to break on the machines of all
people who download it from the official repository takes some time. And
then, the web site needs to be updated, especially the documentation needs
to reflect the new features / fixes / etc...
But apart from that, I don't see a reason why this SDK would lag behind,
and as I said, we want it to be released ASAP.
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote:
JBQ,
Can you pass up the chain that the 'phrase
...you can be sure that you'll have an official SDK for a
cupcake-originated release as soon as possible.
should be planned to be a point in time (hopefully a couple of weeks)
before
a carrier releases a device with it on.
I'm sure you're aware there's no bigger recipe for pain than when the
first
people to test applications on a new release of a platform are users who
are
trying out a new 'phone in a shop.
Al.
-Original Message-
From: android-developers@googlegroups.com
[mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Baptiste
Queru
Sent: 24 March 2009 15:39
To: android-developers@googlegroups.com
Subject: [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the
SDK?
1.1 was essentially a update of a few Google-proprietary bits on top of
the
same platform as 1.0.
From the point of view of the Android platform (and therefore of the SDK
as
well), the differences between 1.0 and 1.1 are extremely minor.
Cupcake is a branch name, it's not a released version. A future numbered
release will be cut from the cupcake
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
I have the impression that the community is very active around android-oriented APPS, but not about android itself, maybe there's also a problem with this mailing list being filled by requests on the use of the SDK but not the development of the SDK, maybe there should be a newsgroup dedicated to the android-dev, while this one seems more like android-apps-dev. That's what android-framework, android-platform and android-porting are about :) -- Romain Guy Android framework engineer romain...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
Shame on met i never read p class=note :x This answers a lot 2009/3/24 Romain Guy romain...@google.com: I have the impression that the community is very active around android-oriented APPS, but not about android itself, maybe there's also a problem with this mailing list being filled by requests on the use of the SDK but not the development of the SDK, maybe there should be a newsgroup dedicated to the android-dev, while this one seems more like android-apps-dev. That's what android-framework, android-platform and android-porting are about :) -- Romain Guy Android framework engineer romain...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them -- Lliane aka Simon Depiets Epita Promo 2011,42 http://www.lliane.com A man is smoking with his girlfriend. She angers herself : don't you see the warning on the box ?! To which the man replies, I am a programmer. I don't worry about warnings. I only worry about errors. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK? 1.1 was essentially a update of a few Google-proprietary bits on top of the same platform as 1.0. From the point of view of the Android platform (and therefore of the SDK as well), the differences between 1.0 and 1.1 are extremely minor. Cupcake is a branch name, it's not a released version. A future numbered release will be cut from the cupcake branch, but that product isn't ready yet, and therefore there can be no SDK yet. As cupcake contains significant platform changes compared to 1.0/1.1, you can be sure that you'll have an official SDK for a cupcake-originated release as soon as possible. JBQ On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:16 AM, tauntz tau...@gmail.com wrote: I just hope that this time the release date for the official SDK will be BEFORE the update hits the masses. Not like it was with the 1.1SDK - it was released way after 1.1 was released to end-users (the argument from Google was something in the lines of Hey, this is a small release with no mayor changes so don't whine that you get it so late). Maybe I'm the only one who thinks that this is ridiculous.. One of the reasons why we don't have the official 1.5 (or cupcake or however it will be officially called) SDK is that It's not stable enough - fair enough but I really hope that you guys @ Google will release it as soon as the code is stable enough (eg the code is tested and ready to be released to the operators). That would give us a week (maybe more) before the operators push it to the end-users. And don't come with the you can build your own SDK from the opensource tree if you want - the last releases didn't come from the opensource tree so even if I wanted, i couldn't build the SDK based on the code that's shipped to the end-users. And even if this release will actually come from the public tree, you can't expect all app developers to build their own SDK, can you? We need an official SDK - and we need it as soon as the tree is stable enough (and way before it's pushed to the carriers/end-users) Tauno On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:38 AM, AndroidApp zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Not if you stay anonymous (hint, hint) ;-) On Mar 23, 7:58 pm, Anonymous Anonymous firewallbr...@googlemail.com wrote: Someone from Google? makes it official i guess :D On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:47 AM, AndroidApp zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone capable just compile the SDK and post it online for everyone? Someone from Google? I dont really care if it's not official, i just dont want to download the source tree just to build the SDK, plus i need to do the tricks you mentioned to make it work on windows. On Mar 23, 1:11 pm, Marco Nelissen marc...@android.com wrote: I certainly hope there aren't a lot of applications that use reflection and private APIs. On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 6:59 AM, zl25drexel zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Cupcake is coming, and as you know it will break a lot of apps in the market, those that use reflection private api. So where is the Cupcake SDK/emulator for us to try our apps? I know we can download the source codes and build it, and I know apps wont break if they dont use undocumented api, blah blah blah, but we should get an official SDK/emulator for cupcake, dont you think, google? -- Jean-Baptiste M. JBQ Queru Android Engineer, Google. Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further warning. -- Lliane aka Simon Depiets Epita Promo 2011,42 http://www.lliane.com A man is smoking with his girlfriend. She angers herself : don't you see the warning on the box ?! To which the man replies, I am a programmer. I don't worry about warnings. I only worry about errors. -- Jean-Baptiste M. JBQ Queru Android Engineer, Google. Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further warning. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
a new 'phone in a shop. Al. -Original Message- From: android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Baptiste Queru Sent: 24 March 2009 15:39 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK? 1.1 was essentially a update of a few Google-proprietary bits on top of the same platform as 1.0. From the point of view of the Android platform (and therefore of the SDK as well), the differences between 1.0 and 1.1 are extremely minor. Cupcake is a branch name, it's not a released version. A future numbered release will be cut from the cupcake branch, but that product isn't ready yet, and therefore there can be no SDK yet. As cupcake contains significant platform changes compared to 1.0/1.1, you can be sure that you'll have an official SDK for a cupcake-originated release as soon as possible. JBQ On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:16 AM, tauntz tau...@gmail.com wrote: I just hope that this time the release date for the official SDK will be BEFORE the update hits the masses. Not like it was with the 1.1SDK - it was released way after 1.1 was released to end-users (the argument from Google was something in the lines of Hey, this is a small release with no mayor changes so don't whine that you get it so late). Maybe I'm the only one who thinks that this is ridiculous.. One of the reasons why we don't have the official 1.5 (or cupcake or however it will be officially called) SDK is that It's not stable enough - fair enough but I really hope that you guys @ Google will release it as soon as the code is stable enough (eg the code is tested and ready to be released to the operators). That would give us a week (maybe more) before the operators push it to the end-users. And don't come with the you can build your own SDK from the opensource tree if you want - the last releases didn't come from the opensource tree so even if I wanted, i couldn't build the SDK based on the code that's shipped to the end-users. And even if this release will actually come from the public tree, you can't expect all app developers to build their own SDK, can you? We need an official SDK - and we need it as soon as the tree is stable enough (and way before it's pushed to the carriers/end-users) Tauno On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:38 AM, AndroidApp zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Not if you stay anonymous (hint, hint) ;-) On Mar 23, 7:58 pm, Anonymous Anonymous firewallbr...@googlemail.com wrote: Someone from Google? makes it official i guess :D On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:47 AM, AndroidApp zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone capable just compile the SDK and post it online for everyone? Someone from Google? I dont really care if it's not official, i just dont want to download the source tree just to build the SDK, plus i need to do the tricks you mentioned to make it work on windows. On Mar 23, 1:11 pm, Marco Nelissen marc...@android.com wrote: I certainly hope there aren't a lot of applications that use reflection and private APIs. On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 6:59 AM, zl25drexel zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Cupcake is coming, and as you know it will break a lot of apps in the market, those that use reflection private api. So where is the Cupcake SDK/emulator for us to try our apps? I know we can download the source codes and build it, and I know apps wont break if they dont use undocumented api, blah blah blah, but we should get an official SDK/emulator for cupcake, dont you think, google? -- Jean-Baptiste M. JBQ Queru Android Engineer, Google. Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further warning. -- Lliane aka Simon Depiets Epita Promo 2011,42 http://www.lliane.com A man is smoking with his girlfriend. She angers herself : don't you see the warning on the box ?! To which the man replies, I am a programmer. I don't worry about warnings. I only worry about errors. -- Jean-Baptiste M. JBQ Queru Android Engineer, Google. Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further warning. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
The problem is that 1.1 was the most recent and the concern is that as the latest release has a device then SDK order this may be seen as an acceptable way to do things in the future. As for announcements of phones with cupcake. Vodafone have been saying since February that they'll ship the HTC Magic in April ( http://www.vodafone.com/start/media_relations/news/group_press_releases/2009 /vodafone_and_htc_unveil.html ) and HTC show the Magic as having CupCake features such as video recording ( http://www.htc.com/www/product/magic/overview.html ) Al. -Original Message- From: android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Romain Guy Sent: 24 March 2009 17:49 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK? All the SDKs released before 1.0 were no accident you know. So far, only the 1.1 SDK was released after the firmware (and not long after at that.) I don't understand the point of this discussion. We know that the SDK should be released before the bits are placed on actual devices and you know that as well. Since there's been no announcement of Cupcake availability on actual handsets, why all this fuss? On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote: Dave, I understand the effort involved, but the choice for any SDK is really; a) Release the SDK before the devices and let developers test and prepare their apps. b) Allow users to start buying a device which may not properly run the applications available from Market. This is a no-brainer and in order to not appear like a piece of half-thought out technology the answer has to be a. Apple understand this. Microsoft understand this. Symbian understand this. RIM understand this. This is why they all have developer programmes which give previews of upcoming OS releases and features. To ignore this fact is like signing a death warrant on the general publics perception of Android. I know that you're going to make every effort to make sure it does happen, but from a users point of view being told well we did try just doesn't cut the mustard. Being told they may encounter problems using applications from Googles market running on a Google branded phone downloaded directly on the 'phone is just going to look really poor. After all who wouldn't be mad if they bought a Ford car which turned up with an Ford accessories catalogue, bought some stuff from the accessories catalogue, waited for it to arrive, tried to fit it, find out it doesn't work, 'phone up Ford, only to be told Oh yeah, we left it in the catalogue, but the accessory manufacturer had no way of testing if it worked because we couldn't do that for them (although given Google Support Desk the user will probably just get told It's an app problem, it's the developers fault). This is one of the few occasions where I think a marketing persons view could be of use. Al. From: android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Turner Sent: 24 March 2009 16:01 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK? Hmm.. Despite the fact that this is what we want, we cannot make a guarantee that the Cupcake SDK will be officially released strictly before the platform is available on retail phones. Properly testing and packaging a SDK takes a lot of time, we may encounter blocker bugs that have nothing to do with the software on the phone (e.g. emulator crashes on platform X, ADB doesn't see emulator/devices on platform Y, etc..). While we test the SDK frequently during development, doing the necessary job to ensure that it's not going to break on the machines of all people who download it from the official repository takes some time. And then, the web site needs to be updated, especially the documentation needs to reflect the new features / fixes / etc... But apart from that, I don't see a reason why this SDK would lag behind, and as I said, we want it to be released ASAP. On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote: JBQ, Can you pass up the chain that the 'phrase ...you can be sure that you'll have an official SDK for a cupcake-originated release as soon as possible. should be planned to be a point in time (hopefully a couple of weeks) before a carrier releases a device with it on. I'm sure you're aware there's no bigger recipe for pain than when the first people to test applications on a new release of a platform are users who are trying out a new 'phone in a shop. Al. -Original Message- From: android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Baptiste Queru Sent: 24 March 2009 15:39 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
Android-platform is the list for discussing developing the SDK. This list is
specifically about developing against the SDK.
Al.
P.S. The main reason I don't do firmware dev is because I bought a G1 at
launch (before the ADP1 was announced) and I'm not going to spend out over
$500 to get a ADP1 shipped to the UK just to do something that won't pay my
mortgage :).
-Original Message-
From: android-developers@googlegroups.com
[mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Depiets
Sent: 24 March 2009 18:22
To: android-developers@googlegroups.com
Subject: [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
I think this is true,
can you tell us more than git commit messages tell us ?
do you intend to freeze android at some point, afterwards there will only be
bug fixes ?
do you WANT/do you NEED contributions, or is android open source but with a
proprietary-like development model ?
I have the impression that the community is very active around
android-oriented APPS, but not about android itself, maybe there's also a
problem with this mailing list being filled by requests on the use of the
SDK but not the development of the SDK, maybe there should be a newsgroup
dedicated to the android-dev, while this one seems more like
android-apps-dev.
These are just ideas and questions, not a troll at all.
2009/3/24 Disconnect dc.disconn...@gmail.com:
Thats the sort of thing you do with alpha/beta/rc tags. And community
participation.
At some point, someone at google says This is, barring problems, what
we want to be 1.5. Now lets get it fixed. That can continue to happen
privately between google and the carriers, and you keep periodically
throwing releases to the community. This is how proprietary projects run.
(Such as Symbian.)
Or, Google can step up and actually release an open, community framework.
Tags for alpha, beta, rc releases. Limited platform/configuration
support in early stages. Community feedback, patches and bug reports
throughout.
Its cheaper, its faster, and you get fewer debacles like the g1
release patchfest. Even if the problems are deep inside the guru code,
and there's no chance anyone else can fix it, you STILL gain by
offloading the rest of the work. (Go read LKML for a while if you want
-lots- of examples of that.
Its not common for someone new to the project to make deep, guru-level
fixes and patches. But it -is- common for newcomers to take care of
their own bugs, make incremental improvements, help others and
generally take load off the older members of the community.)
And to skip ahead in the thread:
{Quote Romainguy}
So far, only the 1.1 SDK was released after the firmware (and not long
after at that.) I don't understand the point of this discussion. We
know that the SDK should be released before the bits are placed on
actual devices and you know that as well. Since there's been no
announcement of Cupcake availability on actual handsets, why all this
fuss?
Because in a -community- project, things such as timelines, release
deadlines, requirements and so forth are public. In a proprietary
project, they are generally private. (Although in the software/mobile
space, generally much less private than Android.) Google bills this as
a community project but treats it as a proprietary one. So all the
fuss is because people went Ooh! A community project! I'll help!
and got told to shove off until it gets released.
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:01 PM, David Turner di...@android.com wrote:
Hmm.. Despite the fact that this is what we want, we cannot make a
guarantee that the Cupcake SDK will be officially released strictly
before the platform is available on retail phones.
Properly testing and packaging a SDK takes a lot of time, we may
encounter blocker bugs that have nothing to do with the software on the
phone (e.g.
emulator crashes on platform X, ADB doesn't see emulator/devices on
platform Y, etc..). While we test the SDK frequently during
development, doing the necessary job to ensure that it's not going to
break on the machines of all people who download it from the official
repository takes some time. And then, the web site needs to be
updated, especially the documentation needs to reflect the new features /
fixes / etc...
But apart from that, I don't see a reason why this SDK would lag
behind, and as I said, we want it to be released ASAP.
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote:
JBQ,
Can you pass up the chain that the 'phrase
...you can be sure that you'll have an official SDK for a
cupcake-originated release as soon as possible.
should be planned to be a point in time (hopefully a couple of
weeks) before a carrier releases a device with it on.
I'm sure you're aware there's no bigger recipe for pain than when
the first people to test applications on a new release of a platform
are users who are trying out a new
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
, and as I said, we want it to be released ASAP. On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote: JBQ, Can you pass up the chain that the 'phrase ...you can be sure that you'll have an official SDK for a cupcake-originated release as soon as possible. should be planned to be a point in time (hopefully a couple of weeks) before a carrier releases a device with it on. I'm sure you're aware there's no bigger recipe for pain than when the first people to test applications on a new release of a platform are users who are trying out a new 'phone in a shop. Al. -Original Message- From: android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Baptiste Queru Sent: 24 March 2009 15:39 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK? 1.1 was essentially a update of a few Google-proprietary bits on top of the same platform as 1.0. From the point of view of the Android platform (and therefore of the SDK as well), the differences between 1.0 and 1.1 are extremely minor. Cupcake is a branch name, it's not a released version. A future numbered release will be cut from the cupcake branch, but that product isn't ready yet, and therefore there can be no SDK yet. As cupcake contains significant platform changes compared to 1.0/1.1, you can be sure that you'll have an official SDK for a cupcake-originated release as soon as possible. JBQ On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:16 AM, tauntz tau...@gmail.com wrote: I just hope that this time the release date for the official SDK will be BEFORE the update hits the masses. Not like it was with the 1.1SDK - it was released way after 1.1 was released to end-users (the argument from Google was something in the lines of Hey, this is a small release with no mayor changes so don't whine that you get it so late). Maybe I'm the only one who thinks that this is ridiculous.. One of the reasons why we don't have the official 1.5 (or cupcake or however it will be officially called) SDK is that It's not stable enough - fair enough but I really hope that you guys @ Google will release it as soon as the code is stable enough (eg the code is tested and ready to be released to the operators). That would give us a week (maybe more) before the operators push it to the end-users. And don't come with the you can build your own SDK from the opensource tree if you want - the last releases didn't come from the opensource tree so even if I wanted, i couldn't build the SDK based on the code that's shipped to the end-users. And even if this release will actually come from the public tree, you can't expect all app developers to build their own SDK, can you? We need an official SDK - and we need it as soon as the tree is stable enough (and way before it's pushed to the carriers/end-users) Tauno On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:38 AM, AndroidApp zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Not if you stay anonymous (hint, hint) ;-) On Mar 23, 7:58 pm, Anonymous Anonymous firewallbr...@googlemail.com wrote: Someone from Google? makes it official i guess :D On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:47 AM, AndroidApp zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone capable just compile the SDK and post it online for everyone? Someone from Google? I dont really care if it's not official, i just dont want to download the source tree just to build the SDK, plus i need to do the tricks you mentioned to make it work on windows. On Mar 23, 1:11 pm, Marco Nelissen marc...@android.com wrote: I certainly hope there aren't a lot of applications that use reflection and private APIs. On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 6:59 AM, zl25drexel zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Cupcake is coming, and as you know it will break a lot of apps in the market, those that use reflection private api. So where is the Cupcake SDK/emulator for us to try our apps? I know we can download the source codes and build it, and I know apps wont break if they dont use undocumented api, blah blah blah, but we should get an official SDK/emulator for cupcake, dont you think, google? -- Jean-Baptiste M. JBQ Queru Android Engineer, Google. Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further warning. -- Lliane aka Simon Depiets Epita Promo 2011,42 http://www.lliane.com A man is smoking with his girlfriend. She angers herself : don't you see the warning on the box ?! To which the man replies, I am a programmer. I don't worry about warnings. I only worry about errors
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
Just double checked; http://shop.vodafone.co.uk/shop/mobile-phone/htc-magic still says Arriving in April in big clear letters. Al. -Original Message- From: android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Al Sutton Sent: 24 March 2009 18:47 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK? The problem is that 1.1 was the most recent and the concern is that as the latest release has a device then SDK order this may be seen as an acceptable way to do things in the future. As for announcements of phones with cupcake. Vodafone have been saying since February that they'll ship the HTC Magic in April ( http://www.vodafone.com/start/media_relations/news/group_press_releases/2009 /vodafone_and_htc_unveil.html ) and HTC show the Magic as having CupCake features such as video recording ( http://www.htc.com/www/product/magic/overview.html ) Al. -Original Message- From: android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Romain Guy Sent: 24 March 2009 17:49 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK? All the SDKs released before 1.0 were no accident you know. So far, only the 1.1 SDK was released after the firmware (and not long after at that.) I don't understand the point of this discussion. We know that the SDK should be released before the bits are placed on actual devices and you know that as well. Since there's been no announcement of Cupcake availability on actual handsets, why all this fuss? On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote: Dave, I understand the effort involved, but the choice for any SDK is really; a) Release the SDK before the devices and let developers test and prepare their apps. b) Allow users to start buying a device which may not properly run the applications available from Market. This is a no-brainer and in order to not appear like a piece of half-thought out technology the answer has to be a. Apple understand this. Microsoft understand this. Symbian understand this. RIM understand this. This is why they all have developer programmes which give previews of upcoming OS releases and features. To ignore this fact is like signing a death warrant on the general publics perception of Android. I know that you're going to make every effort to make sure it does happen, but from a users point of view being told well we did try just doesn't cut the mustard. Being told they may encounter problems using applications from Googles market running on a Google branded phone downloaded directly on the 'phone is just going to look really poor. After all who wouldn't be mad if they bought a Ford car which turned up with an Ford accessories catalogue, bought some stuff from the accessories catalogue, waited for it to arrive, tried to fit it, find out it doesn't work, 'phone up Ford, only to be told Oh yeah, we left it in the catalogue, but the accessory manufacturer had no way of testing if it worked because we couldn't do that for them (although given Google Support Desk the user will probably just get told It's an app problem, it's the developers fault). This is one of the few occasions where I think a marketing persons view could be of use. Al. From: android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Turner Sent: 24 March 2009 16:01 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK? Hmm.. Despite the fact that this is what we want, we cannot make a guarantee that the Cupcake SDK will be officially released strictly before the platform is available on retail phones. Properly testing and packaging a SDK takes a lot of time, we may encounter blocker bugs that have nothing to do with the software on the phone (e.g. emulator crashes on platform X, ADB doesn't see emulator/devices on platform Y, etc..). While we test the SDK frequently during development, doing the necessary job to ensure that it's not going to break on the machines of all people who download it from the official repository takes some time. And then, the web site needs to be updated, especially the documentation needs to reflect the new features / fixes / etc... But apart from that, I don't see a reason why this SDK would lag behind, and as I said, we want it to be released ASAP. On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote: JBQ, Can you pass up the chain that the 'phrase ...you can be sure that you'll have an official SDK for a cupcake-originated release as soon as possible. should be planned to be a point in time (hopefully a couple of weeks) before a carrier releases a device
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
Dave, To me there is a world of difference between a what we want but won't guarentee statement and commitment that something will happen We all have things we want to happen, what we need is someone to step up to the plate, take responsibility, and deliver. Al. - Original Message - From: David Turner To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK? Al, On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote: Dave, I understand the effort involved, but the choice for any SDK is really; a) Release the SDK before the devices and let developers test and prepare their apps. b) Allow users to start buying a device which may not properly run the applications available from Market. This is a no-brainer and in order to not appear like a piece of half-thought out technology the answer has to be a. Apple understand this. Microsoft understand this. Symbian understand this. RIM understand this. This is why they all have developer programmes which give previews of upcoming OS releases and features. To ignore this fact is like signing a death warrant on the general publics perception of Android. I know that you're going to make every effort to make sure it does happen, but from a users point of view being told well we did try just doesn't cut the mustard. Being told they may encounter problems using applications from Googles market running on a Google branded phone downloaded directly on the 'phone is just going to look really poor. After all who wouldn't be mad if they bought a Ford car which turned up with an Ford accessories catalogue, bought some stuff from the accessories catalogue, waited for it to arrive, tried to fit it, find out it doesn't work, 'phone up Ford, only to be told Oh yeah, we left it in the catalogue, but the accessory manufacturer had no way of testing if it worked because we couldn't do that for them (although given Google Support Desk the user will probably just get told It's an app problem, it's the developers fault). I don't think I said anything that doesn't agree with all that. This is one of the few occasions where I think a marketing persons view could be of use. Al. From: android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Turner Sent: 24 March 2009 16:01 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK? Hmm.. Despite the fact that this is what we want, we cannot make a guarantee that the Cupcake SDK will be officially released strictly before the platform is available on retail phones. Properly testing and packaging a SDK takes a lot of time, we may encounter blocker bugs that have nothing to do with the software on the phone (e.g. emulator crashes on platform X, ADB doesn't see emulator/devices on platform Y, etc..). While we test the SDK frequently during development, doing the necessary job to ensure that it's not going to break on the machines of all people who download it from the official repository takes some time. And then, the web site needs to be updated, especially the documentation needs to reflect the new features / fixes / etc... But apart from that, I don't see a reason why this SDK would lag behind, and as I said, we want it to be released ASAP. On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote: JBQ, Can you pass up the chain that the 'phrase ...you can be sure that you'll have an official SDK for a cupcake-originated release as soon as possible. should be planned to be a point in time (hopefully a couple of weeks) before a carrier releases a device with it on. I'm sure you're aware there's no bigger recipe for pain than when the first people to test applications on a new release of a platform are users who are trying out a new 'phone in a shop. Al. -Original Message- From: android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Baptiste Queru Sent: 24 March 2009 15:39 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK? 1.1 was essentially a update of a few Google-proprietary bits on top of the same platform as 1.0. From the point of view of the Android platform (and therefore of the SDK as well), the differences between 1.0 and 1.1 are extremely minor. Cupcake is a branch name, it's not a released version. A future numbered release will be cut from the cupcake branch, but that product isn't ready yet
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
Here is a video of HTC Magic (French version) http://www.mobinaute.com/265180-videonaute-htc-magic-android-google.html On 24 mar, 19:46, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote: The problem is that 1.1 was the most recent and the concern is that as the latest release has a device then SDK order this may be seen as an acceptable way to do things in the future. As for announcements of phones with cupcake. Vodafone have been saying since February that they'll ship the HTC Magic in April (http://www.vodafone.com/start/media_relations/news/group_press_releas... /vodafone_and_htc_unveil.html ) and HTC show the Magic as having CupCake features such as video recording (http://www.htc.com/www/product/magic/overview.html) Al. -Original Message- From: android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Romain Guy Sent: 24 March 2009 17:49 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK? All the SDKs released before 1.0 were no accident you know. So far, only the 1.1 SDK was released after the firmware (and not long after at that.) I don't understand the point of this discussion. We know that the SDK should be released before the bits are placed on actual devices and you know that as well. Since there's been no announcement of Cupcake availability on actual handsets, why all this fuss? On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote: Dave, I understand the effort involved, but the choice for any SDK is really; a) Release the SDK before the devices and let developers test and prepare their apps. b) Allow users to start buying a device which may not properly run the applications available from Market. This is a no-brainer and in order to not appear like a piece of half-thought out technology the answer has to be a. Apple understand this. Microsoft understand this. Symbian understand this. RIM understand this. This is why they all have developer programmes which give previews of upcoming OS releases and features. To ignore this fact is like signing a death warrant on the general publics perception of Android. I know that you're going to make every effort to make sure it does happen, but from a users point of view being told well we did try just doesn't cut the mustard. Being told they may encounter problems using applications from Googles market running on a Google branded phone downloaded directly on the 'phone is just going to look really poor. After all who wouldn't be mad if they bought a Ford car which turned up with an Ford accessories catalogue, bought some stuff from the accessories catalogue, waited for it to arrive, tried to fit it, find out it doesn't work, 'phone up Ford, only to be told Oh yeah, we left it in the catalogue, but the accessory manufacturer had no way of testing if it worked because we couldn't do that for them (although given Google Support Desk the user will probably just get told It's an app problem, it's the developers fault). This is one of the few occasions where I think a marketing persons view could be of use. Al. From: android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Turner Sent: 24 March 2009 16:01 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK? Hmm.. Despite the fact that this is what we want, we cannot make a guarantee that the Cupcake SDK will be officially released strictly before the platform is available on retail phones. Properly testing and packaging a SDK takes a lot of time, we may encounter blocker bugs that have nothing to do with the software on the phone (e.g. emulator crashes on platform X, ADB doesn't see emulator/devices on platform Y, etc..). While we test the SDK frequently during development, doing the necessary job to ensure that it's not going to break on the machines of all people who download it from the official repository takes some time. And then, the web site needs to be updated, especially the documentation needs to reflect the new features / fixes / etc... But apart from that, I don't see a reason why this SDK would lag behind, and as I said, we want it to be released ASAP. On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote: JBQ, Can you pass up the chain that the 'phrase ...you can be sure that you'll have an official SDK for a cupcake-originated release as soon as possible. should be planned to be a point in time (hopefully a couple of weeks) before a carrier releases a device with it on. I'm sure you're aware there's no bigger recipe for pain than when the first people to test applications on a new release of a platform are users who are trying out a new 'phone in a shop
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
Someone did compiled the cupcake sometime back and release an unofficial SDK 1.5... (how come no one mentioned this in the entire thread...) Search the group for SDK 1.5 Cheers Eric --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
OK, I don't understand French, but someone is lying and it's not us, developers. Android engineers say there's no date for cupcake, 1.5 SDK, etc., yet there is this video of what appears to NOT be an Android 1.1 phone, AND Vodaphone claims it will start selling them this April. WTF??? On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 1:08 AM, roland roland...@gmail.com wrote: Here is a video of HTC Magic (French version) http://www.mobinaute.com/265180-videonaute-htc-magic-android-google.html On 24 mar, 19:46, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote: The problem is that 1.1 was the most recent and the concern is that as the latest release has a device then SDK order this may be seen as an acceptable way to do things in the future. As for announcements of phones with cupcake. Vodafone have been saying since February that they'll ship the HTC Magic in April (http://www.vodafone.com/start/media_relations/news/group_press_releas... /vodafone_and_htc_unveil.html ) and HTC show the Magic as having CupCake features such as video recording (http://www.htc.com/www/product/magic/overview.html) Al. -Original Message- From: android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Romain Guy Sent: 24 March 2009 17:49 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK? All the SDKs released before 1.0 were no accident you know. So far, only the 1.1 SDK was released after the firmware (and not long after at that.) I don't understand the point of this discussion. We know that the SDK should be released before the bits are placed on actual devices and you know that as well. Since there's been no announcement of Cupcake availability on actual handsets, why all this fuss? On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote: Dave, I understand the effort involved, but the choice for any SDK is really; a) Release the SDK before the devices and let developers test and prepare their apps. b) Allow users to start buying a device which may not properly run the applications available from Market. This is a no-brainer and in order to not appear like a piece of half-thought out technology the answer has to be a. Apple understand this. Microsoft understand this. Symbian understand this. RIM understand this. This is why they all have developer programmes which give previews of upcoming OS releases and features. To ignore this fact is like signing a death warrant on the general publics perception of Android. I know that you're going to make every effort to make sure it does happen, but from a users point of view being told well we did try just doesn't cut the mustard. Being told they may encounter problems using applications from Googles market running on a Google branded phone downloaded directly on the 'phone is just going to look really poor. After all who wouldn't be mad if they bought a Ford car which turned up with an Ford accessories catalogue, bought some stuff from the accessories catalogue, waited for it to arrive, tried to fit it, find out it doesn't work, 'phone up Ford, only to be told Oh yeah, we left it in the catalogue, but the accessory manufacturer had no way of testing if it worked because we couldn't do that for them (although given Google Support Desk the user will probably just get told It's an app problem, it's the developers fault). This is one of the few occasions where I think a marketing persons view could be of use. Al. From: android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Turner Sent: 24 March 2009 16:01 To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: [android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK? Hmm.. Despite the fact that this is what we want, we cannot make a guarantee that the Cupcake SDK will be officially released strictly before the platform is available on retail phones. Properly testing and packaging a SDK takes a lot of time, we may encounter blocker bugs that have nothing to do with the software on the phone (e.g. emulator crashes on platform X, ADB doesn't see emulator/devices on platform Y, etc..). While we test the SDK frequently during development, doing the necessary job to ensure that it's not going to break on the machines of all people who download it from the official repository takes some time. And then, the web site needs to be updated, especially the documentation needs to reflect the new features / fixes / etc... But apart from that, I don't see a reason why this SDK would lag behind, and as I said, we want it to be released ASAP. On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote: JBQ, Can you pass up the chain that the 'phrase ...you can be sure that you'll have an official SDK for a cupcake
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Stoyan Damov stoyan.da...@gmail.comwrote: Android engineers say there's no date for cupcake, 1.5 SDK, etc., yet there is this video of what appears to NOT be an Android 1.1 phone, AND Vodaphone claims it will start selling them this April. You can download the current tree and run cupcake today, and have been able to for a month or two. Just because it is running on some hardware doesn't mean it is finished. I checked in a couple cupcake bug fixes today, so I can assure you that it is not yet done. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 2:45 AM, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Stoyan Damov stoyan.da...@gmail.com wrote: Android engineers say there's no date for cupcake, 1.5 SDK, etc., yet there is this video of what appears to NOT be an Android 1.1 phone, AND Vodaphone claims it will start selling them this April. You can download the current tree and run cupcake today, and have been able to for a month or two. Just because it is running on some hardware doesn't mean it is finished. I checked in a couple cupcake bug fixes today, so I can assure you that it is not yet done. Dianne, I understand that. But I'm *pretty* sure Vodafone won't announce that the device will be shipped in April if it's not going to be, so my bet is that whatever-you-call-the-stable-version-of-Android-up-to-Vodafone-launch is going to be finished, and stable before Vodafone starts selling the devices. So, unless Vodafone engineers are fixing bugs like crazy, I can't be possibly convinced there's no INTERNAL deadline date, which Google Android engineers don't know about. Cheers --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
Let us have a beta version for god sake... On Mar 24, 12:11 pm, roland roland...@gmail.com wrote: Totally agree, Apple just release their 3.0 SDK beta for who has purchased iPhone Developer Program. The final version comes in June, so iphone developer has 3 months to familiar the new OS and let their applications get all the new features. I hope all of us, who are interested in Android, and who wish to make fantastic application in Android platform could get a little bit more official information before every final release. On 24 mar, 09:16, tauntz tau...@gmail.com wrote: I just hope that this time the release date for the official SDK will be BEFORE the update hits the masses. Not like it was with the 1.1SDK - it was released way after 1.1 was released to end-users (the argument from Google was something in the lines of Hey, this is a small release with no mayor changes so don't whine that you get it so late). Maybe I'm the only one who thinks that this is ridiculous.. One of the reasons why we don't have the official 1.5 (orcupcakeor however it will be officially called) SDK is that It's not stable enough - fair enough but I really hope that you guys @ Google will release it as soon as the code is stable enough (eg the code is tested and ready to be released to the operators). That would give us a week (maybe more) before the operators push it to the end-users. And don't come with the you can build your own SDK from the opensource tree if you want - the last releases didn't come from the opensource tree so even if I wanted, i couldn't build the SDK based on the code that's shipped to the end-users. And even if this release will actually come from the public tree, you can't expect all app developers to build their own SDK, can you? We need an official SDK - and we need it as soon as the tree is stable enough (and way before it's pushed to the carriers/end-users) Tauno On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:38 AM, AndroidApp zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Not if you stay anonymous (hint, hint) ;-) On Mar 23, 7:58 pm, Anonymous Anonymous firewallbr...@googlemail.com wrote: Someone from Google? makes it official i guess :D On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:47 AM, AndroidApp zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone capable just compile the SDK and post it online for everyone? Someone from Google? I dont really care if it's not official, i just dont want to download the source tree just to build the SDK, plus i need to do the tricks you mentioned to make it work on windows. On Mar 23, 1:11 pm, Marco Nelissen marc...@android.com wrote: I certainly hope there aren't a lot of applications that use reflection and private APIs. On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 6:59 AM, zl25drexel zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Cupcakeis coming, and as you know it will break a lot of apps in the market, those that use reflection private api. So where is the CupcakeSDK/emulator for us to try our apps? I know we can download the source codes and build it, and I know apps wont break if they dont use undocumented api, blah blah blah, but we should get an official SDK/emulator forcupcake, dont you think, google? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
Just need to lift this wool up so I can have a really good look at this thread! :-) Just joking ... ... but joking aside, looks like we won't get a version of the cupcake branch any time soon so ... ... can i have the vodafone version then? ;-) OTA ofcourse :-) and what's with all the dots! ( ... ) :-) AndroidApp wrote: Let us have a beta version for god sake... On Mar 24, 12:11 pm, roland roland...@gmail.com wrote: Totally agree, Apple just release their 3.0 SDK beta for who has purchased iPhone Developer Program. The final version comes in June, so iphone developer has 3 months to familiar the new OS and let their applications get all the new features. I hope all of us, who are interested in Android, and who wish to make fantastic application in Android platform could get a little bit more official information before every final release. On 24 mar, 09:16, tauntz tau...@gmail.com wrote: I just hope that this time the release date for the official SDK will be BEFORE the update hits the masses. Not like it was with the 1.1SDK - it was released way after 1.1 was released to end-users (the argument from Google was something in the lines of Hey, this is a small release with no mayor changes so don't whine that you get it so late). Maybe I'm the only one who thinks that this is ridiculous.. One of the reasons why we don't have the official 1.5 (orcupcakeor however it will be officially called) SDK is that It's not stable enough - fair enough but I really hope that you guys @ Google will release it as soon as the code is stable enough (eg the code is tested and ready to be released to the operators). That would give us a week (maybe more) before the operators push it to the end-users. And don't come with the you can build your own SDK from the opensource tree if you want - the last releases didn't come from the opensource tree so even if I wanted, i couldn't build the SDK based on the code that's shipped to the end-users. And even if this release will actually come from the public tree, you can't expect all app developers to build their own SDK, can you? We need an official SDK - and we need it as soon as the tree is stable enough (and way before it's pushed to the carriers/end-users) Tauno On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:38 AM, AndroidApp zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Not if you stay anonymous (hint, hint) ;-) On Mar 23, 7:58 pm, Anonymous Anonymous firewallbr...@googlemail.com wrote: Someone from Google? makes it official i guess :D On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:47 AM, AndroidApp zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone capable just compile the SDK and post it online for everyone? Someone from Google? I dont really care if it's not official, i just dont want to download the source tree just to build the SDK, plus i need to do the tricks you mentioned to make it work on windows. On Mar 23, 1:11 pm, Marco Nelissen marc...@android.com wrote: I certainly hope there aren't a lot of applications that use reflection and private APIs. On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 6:59 AM, zl25drexel zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Cupcakeis coming, and as you know it will break a lot of apps in the market, those that use reflection private api. So where is the CupcakeSDK/emulator for us to try our apps? I know we can download the source codes and build it, and I know apps wont break if they dont use undocumented api, blah blah blah, but we should get an official SDK/emulator forcupcake, dont you think, google? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 2:59 PM, zl25drexel zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Cupcake is coming, and as you know it will break a lot of apps in the market, those that use reflection private api. So where is the Cupcake SDK/emulator for us to try our apps? It will be available publicly when it's ready. For now the sources are still in flux but your should be able to rebuild it from the official source tree on Linux and OS X with a make PRODUCT-sdk-sdk, but there is no guarantee that this is the final thing. For windows, things are a bit more demandind, you essentially need to generate a Linux SDK, then generate certain Windows-specific binaries that will replace the one on the Linux one through a special script. Reason is, our build system doesn't support Windows. Cygwin is just too weird as a development environment; besides it runs pathetically slow. I know we can download the source codes and build it, and I know apps wont break if they dont use undocumented api, blah blah blah, but we should get an official SDK/emulator for cupcake, dont you think, google? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 5:11 PM, David Turner di...@android.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 2:59 PM, zl25drexel zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Cupcake is coming, and as you know it will break a lot of apps in the market, those that use reflection private api. So where is the Cupcake SDK/emulator for us to try our apps? It will be available publicly when it's ready. snip David, can you, or any Android engineer give us like a ballpark estimate (+/- 1 month is OK) when it will be ready, or it is in the state, where you could say: The release date of this game [DNF] is When it's done. Anything else, and we mean anything else is someone's speculation. There is no date. We don't know any date. If you have a friend who claims they have inside info, or there's some game news site, or some computer store at the mall who claims they know - they do not. They are making it up. There is no date. Period. Thanks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
There has been, and there is no, official ETA. Anything you hear/read is speculation. On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Stoyan Damov stoyan.da...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 5:11 PM, David Turner di...@android.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 2:59 PM, zl25drexel zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Cupcake is coming, and as you know it will break a lot of apps in the market, those that use reflection private api. So where is the Cupcake SDK/emulator for us to try our apps? It will be available publicly when it's ready. snip David, can you, or any Android engineer give us like a ballpark estimate (+/- 1 month is OK) when it will be ready, or it is in the state, where you could say: The release date of this game [DNF] is When it's done. Anything else, and we mean anything else is someone's speculation. There is no date. We don't know any date. If you have a friend who claims they have inside info, or there's some game news site, or some computer store at the mall who claims they know - they do not. They are making it up. There is no date. Period. Thanks -- Romain Guy Android framework engineer romain...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
On Mar 23, 9:32 am, Romain Guy romain...@google.com wrote: There has been, and there is no, official ETA. Anything you hear/read is speculation. Sigh. I had a paragraph to add to that, but I think Sigh pretty much covers it. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Romain Guy romain...@google.com wrote: There has been, and there is no, official ETA. Anything you hear/read is speculation. Right. I knew I'd get this answer but at least it's better than the rumors. Thanks Romain --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
Engineers can't talk about forward-looking scheduling aspects. That's not our job, and that's not something we're allowed to talk about. We can however talk about hard facts. There's been a source code drop recently, and David gave instructions on how to use that to compile your own SDK-like system. JBQ On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Stoyan Damov stoyan.da...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 5:11 PM, David Turner di...@android.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 2:59 PM, zl25drexel zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Cupcake is coming, and as you know it will break a lot of apps in the market, those that use reflection private api. So where is the Cupcake SDK/emulator for us to try our apps? It will be available publicly when it's ready. snip David, can you, or any Android engineer give us like a ballpark estimate (+/- 1 month is OK) when it will be ready, or it is in the state, where you could say: The release date of this game [DNF] is When it's done. Anything else, and we mean anything else is someone's speculation. There is no date. We don't know any date. If you have a friend who claims they have inside info, or there's some game news site, or some computer store at the mall who claims they know - they do not. They are making it up. There is no date. Period. Thanks -- Jean-Baptiste M. JBQ Queru Android Engineer, Google. Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further warning. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Jean-Baptiste Queru j...@android.com wrote: Engineers can't talk about forward-looking scheduling aspects. That's not our job, and that's not something we're allowed to talk about. We can however talk about hard facts. There's been a source code drop recently, and David gave instructions on how to use that to compile your own SDK-like system. JBQ JBQ,I understand you can't talk about that, but you know what - NO ONE ELSE DOES. If someone at Google *COULD* speak and *DID* speak about cupcake we wouldn't be asking you, engineers, about it. Cheers --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
That would be way too much like including the community in what is supposedly a community project. Google has not yet gotten there in terms of internal policies or attitudes, although a growing number of individuals are trying to walk the tightrope between community and commercial (thanks JBQ :) ..) This is where I was going to put another example, but I can't do one off the top of my head. (Apple? Nope.. they just seeded a new pre-release of OSX to devs, with changelogs and all, and afaik they make the iphone sdk's available on planned schedules and with plenty of warning for app writers. And so forth for nokia, palm, etc. Google is their own example I guess, in that the announcement of updates for most Google products is simply a Whats new? link at the top...) Do they have requirements and deadlines that strongly impact the AOSP? Yes indeedily they do. Will they share them? Its not looking good.. On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Stoyan Damov stoyan.da...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Jean-Baptiste Queru j...@android.com wrote: Engineers can't talk about forward-looking scheduling aspects. That's not our job, and that's not something we're allowed to talk about. We can however talk about hard facts. There's been a source code drop recently, and David gave instructions on how to use that to compile your own SDK-like system. JBQ JBQ,I understand you can't talk about that, but you know what - NO ONE ELSE DOES. If someone at Google *COULD* speak and *DID* speak about cupcake we wouldn't be asking you, engineers, about it. Cheers --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
On Mar 23, 10:39 am, Disconnect dc.disconn...@gmail.com wrote: That would be way too much like including the community in what is supposedly a community project. Zing! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
Waiting for the inevitable Please move this to Discuss so we can totally ignore you and pretend everything's OK post. On Mar 23, 11:00 am, Sundog sunns...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 23, 10:39 am, Disconnect dc.disconn...@gmail.com wrote: That would be way too much like including the community in what is supposedly a community project. Zing! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
I certainly hope there aren't a lot of applications that use reflection and private APIs. On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 6:59 AM, zl25drexel zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Cupcake is coming, and as you know it will break a lot of apps in the market, those that use reflection private api. So where is the Cupcake SDK/emulator for us to try our apps? I know we can download the source codes and build it, and I know apps wont break if they dont use undocumented api, blah blah blah, but we should get an official SDK/emulator for cupcake, dont you think, google? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
Can someone capable just compile the SDK and post it online for everyone? Someone from Google? I dont really care if it's not official, i just dont want to download the source tree just to build the SDK, plus i need to do the tricks you mentioned to make it work on windows. On Mar 23, 1:11 pm, Marco Nelissen marc...@android.com wrote: I certainly hope there aren't a lot of applications that use reflection and private APIs. On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 6:59 AM, zl25drexel zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Cupcake is coming, and as you know it will break a lot of apps in the market, those that use reflection private api. So where is the Cupcake SDK/emulator for us to try our apps? I know we can download the source codes and build it, and I know apps wont break if they dont use undocumented api, blah blah blah, but we should get an official SDK/emulator for cupcake, dont you think, google? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
Someone from Google? makes it official i guess :D On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:47 AM, AndroidApp zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone capable just compile the SDK and post it online for everyone? Someone from Google? I dont really care if it's not official, i just dont want to download the source tree just to build the SDK, plus i need to do the tricks you mentioned to make it work on windows. On Mar 23, 1:11 pm, Marco Nelissen marc...@android.com wrote: I certainly hope there aren't a lot of applications that use reflection and private APIs. On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 6:59 AM, zl25drexel zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Cupcake is coming, and as you know it will break a lot of apps in the market, those that use reflection private api. So where is the Cupcake SDK/emulator for us to try our apps? I know we can download the source codes and build it, and I know apps wont break if they dont use undocumented api, blah blah blah, but we should get an official SDK/emulator for cupcake, dont you think, google? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Cupcake coming in April? Where is the SDK?
Not if you stay anonymous (hint, hint) ;-) On Mar 23, 7:58 pm, Anonymous Anonymous firewallbr...@googlemail.com wrote: Someone from Google? makes it official i guess :D On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:47 AM, AndroidApp zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone capable just compile the SDK and post it online for everyone? Someone from Google? I dont really care if it's not official, i just dont want to download the source tree just to build the SDK, plus i need to do the tricks you mentioned to make it work on windows. On Mar 23, 1:11 pm, Marco Nelissen marc...@android.com wrote: I certainly hope there aren't a lot of applications that use reflection and private APIs. On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 6:59 AM, zl25drexel zl25dre...@gmail.com wrote: Cupcake is coming, and as you know it will break a lot of apps in the market, those that use reflection private api. So where is the Cupcake SDK/emulator for us to try our apps? I know we can download the source codes and build it, and I know apps wont break if they dont use undocumented api, blah blah blah, but we should get an official SDK/emulator for cupcake, dont you think, google? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
